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On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
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so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
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maybe it will be possible for this man to have the world's first bionic penis?
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On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:I don't think anyone condones this behaviour, but let's get some things straight. People seem to be upset about the following things: - A poor bastard had his pride and joy removed
I think every man, woman and child can appreciate the gravity of the situation for this poor man. No man should have to live through that.
- These hosts made a really tasteless joke given the situation
Disgusting, disrespectful and downright stupid come to mind. The arrogance and naivety to try and jest as this poor bastard's predicament is pathetic.
- Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
Think of the previous two points, they deserve your rage. Not some thinly veiled double standard. So men are hard done by, this poor guy had his nuts chopped off and then these hags had the audacity to laugh about it. That is what you should be raging about, not whether they get off lightly because they are women.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, except I think that the third point is really part of the second point. Feminists are generally quick to pounce all over jokes that might come close to offending a female victim, so a group of proclaimed feminists laughing at a male victim adds hypocrisy to tastelessness. I think that the specific hypocrisy of the hosts is the issue, not some vague generalized "double standard".
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On July 26 2011 15:48 broz0rs wrote:
maybe it will be possible for this man to have the world's first bionic penis?
Sound like the plotline for a porno tbh.
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"how dare those women make a joke about us, we better go tell them to live a pointless existence and constantly make delicious food for us to eat"
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On July 26 2011 15:49 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:48 broz0rs wrote:
maybe it will be possible for this man to have the world's first bionic penis? Sound like the plotline for a porno tbh.
Better. Stronger. Faster.
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This is extremely fucked up. I hope she stays in jail the rest of her life and those bitches get fired.
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Interesting... quite the Yandere (lolol)
But seriously this is pretty bad -.-
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On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals?
I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about.
society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
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On July 26 2011 13:02 Snet wrote:
Well god damn. I would rather be murdered then that shit.
yeap.
and the girls are probably joking. and you cant just not have sexism when the show is about 6 women talking...i mean come on, guys make snide jokes about women too. not a big deal, but the women who did it is obv fking bat shit crazy and deserves punishment. cutting off genitals is torture to the max. even terrorists are protected under the geneva convention (for what it's worth) from such torture, so obv a man who cheats, a man who is a bad husband does not deserve such punishment. obv. my 2 cents.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 15:41 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:10 ixi.genocide wrote:On July 26 2011 14:56 oldgregg wrote:On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote:
What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed... lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show? i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world Women aren't treated like shit by me or anyone I know >.> Actually, I have not seen discrimination (between ppl I know) against women in real life in years. The other day I saw a guy being a dick to his gf on the bus.... And I was about ready to defend his gf when she did the same thing to him. I wish I could prevent ppl from being pricks all over the world, but I am not going to be condemned for someone elses actions. It's the same thing with racism, I have never been racist, I will not tolerate being limited because americans owned slaves and had jim crow laws and other crap before my family immigrated to america. As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education. My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word? If people think they can force other people to act nicely with foul remarks, well, that's not really the intent of their remark is it? It would make more sense to say something nice if you want nice back. Join in some ever-escalating game of hurtful language, and you get a person acting like Sharon Osbourne or Don Imus as the result, or more lamentably, the modern population of youth (on average, I know there's still some young people who keep it clean  ). No, this isn't censorship, it's advice.
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
I would like to stop all of what you just said, but I will not be held accountable for the actions of others. I have never sold, nor will I ever sell a female as a sex slave; I do not consider women to be second rate citizens, and the country I live in (U.S) has more females going to college than males.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
I have not said anything about Sharon as of yet and would not say anything that I wouldn't tell to her in person. I think that her comments were distasteful and untimely. To use a point that was made earlier in the thread, if a predominately male show made a series of jokes and comments about a woman being drugged, tied up and tortured by her husband, the show would be offline before the next commercial break and the picket line would be started within 20 minutes.
Keep in mind that I would not be part of the picket line, nor would I call for the show to be taken off air, I will point out the double standard that shouldn't even be a standard in the first place. It is sad, really sad that a topic such as womens rights and black rights and so forth had to be created. Sadly, while I don't want to be held accountable for the actions of people that bare a slight resemblance to me, I regret knowing that until quite recently inequality was normal.
I would never advocate for censorship, and thank you for the advice.
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On July 26 2011 15:48 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:I don't think anyone condones this behaviour, but let's get some things straight. People seem to be upset about the following things: - A poor bastard had his pride and joy removed
I think every man, woman and child can appreciate the gravity of the situation for this poor man. No man should have to live through that.
- These hosts made a really tasteless joke given the situation
Disgusting, disrespectful and downright stupid come to mind. The arrogance and naivety to try and jest as this poor bastard's predicament is pathetic.
- Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
Think of the previous two points, they deserve your rage. Not some thinly veiled double standard. So men are hard done by, this poor guy had his nuts chopped off and then these hags had the audacity to laugh about it. That is what you should be raging about, not whether they get off lightly because they are women. I agree with pretty much all of your post, except I think that the third point is really part of the second point. Feminists are generally quick to pounce all over jokes that might come close to offending a female victim, so a group of proclaimed feminists laughing at a male victim adds hypocrisy to tastelessness. I think that the specific hypocrisy of the hosts is the issue, not some vague generalized "double standard".
I don't deny the hypocrisy at all, just its importance in this case. People do stupid things, I can't imagine these women meant harm with their attempt at humour. That doesn't excuse them and sure if the situation were reversed their might be more of an outcry. But, why is it that whilst reading about the atrocity that this poor man has to go through; people decide to that the hypocrisy is the most important part of the story?
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On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote:
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it.
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On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in? [/list]
I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female.
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On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about. Show nested quote +society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in? Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
The joke was really tasteless and these people should keep themselves incontrol
Jokes aside, if you put things in context, they were having laughs at a mans demise. There's a reason why people don't joke about some person getting raped, or some people getting killed, on air, because it's insensitive and it just shows what kind of a person you truly are.
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On July 26 2011 16:06 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote:On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about. society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in? Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue. The joke was really tasteless and these people should keep themselves incontrolJokes aside, if you put things in context, they were having laughs at a mans demise. There's a reason why people don't joke about some person getting raped, or some people getting killed, on air, because it's insensitive and it just shows what kind of a person you truly are.
This.
To find the misery of this human being's situation funny or comedic is simply morally appalling.
They are despicable, and that is a major understatement.
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On July 26 2011 16:02 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote:
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue. is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? .
This is where you and I agree.
I don't find this funny. Whether it is Sharon Osbourne, or Leno, or Conan or whoever.
this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it
This is where we disagree.
I don't see how getting all flustered about apparent hypocrisy is helping this situation at all. As you quite rightly point out, there are double standards going both ways. Man can joke about dicks but women can't. Can anyone joke about women's bits? I don't know, and in this situation, I don't care. I feel that these people should be held to account for what they have said, regardless of their gender.
It was a completely tasteless and insensitive attempt at humour. Doesn't matter about who said it.
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On July 26 2011 16:04 ixi.genocide wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in? I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female. [/list]
see the post directly above yours. men get away with it and nobody bats an eye but god forbid a woman tries to. it's understandable that some people despise making humor of the circumstances but in today's world they are the vocal minority or more likely looking to pick a fight.
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On July 26 2011 16:09 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 16:04 ixi.genocide wrote:On July 26 2011 15:48 Terranist wrote:On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote:
[*]Apparent double standards
If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in? I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female. see the post directly above yours. men get away with it and nobody bats an eye but god forbid a woman tries to. it's understandable that some people despise making humor of the circumstances but in today's world they are the vocal minority or more likely looking to pick a fight. [/list]
I have not seen the 3 male talk shows hosts that was referred to, if you have a link to their vids or a specific point about what they said then I would look at ALL of the shows with disdain and would want an apology. My specific point is that there are many people that are ignored because the idiots are louder. There are millions like me, who treat all people equally, and don't condone the crude remarks made by Sharon specifically.
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On July 26 2011 16:08 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 16:02 Terranist wrote:On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote:
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue. is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? . This is where you and I agree. I don't find this funny. Whether it is Sharon Osbourne, or Leno, or Conan or whoever. Show nested quote +this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it This is where we disagree. I don't see how getting all flustered about apparent hypocrisy is helping this situation at all. As you quite rightly point out, there are double standards going both ways. Man can joke about dicks but women can't. Can anyone joke about women's bits? I don't know, and in this situation, I don't care. I feel that these people should be held to account for what they have said, regardless of their gender. It was a completely tasteless and insensitive attempt at humour. Doesn't matter about who said it.
completely understandable to think that some people would not find any humor in the subject.
however, i would like to point out that unfortunately for us, men joke about their dicks all the time to the point where it is socially comedic. if anyone can find a multi-million view youtube clip of a woman being hit in the genitals then i'll gladly believe otherwise.
if this is truly about gender equality then if they punish the women of this show, they damn well better punish the guys mentioned above.
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