Katherine Kieu Becker of Southern California, drugged her husband, tied him up, cut off his penis, and threw it into an electric garbage disposal in front of him... why? because he asked for a devorce. After police were contacted, Kieu told officers that he "deserved it".
Afterword, the CBS view spinnoff "The Talk" covered the incident, where all of the women hosts reveled in the horrible incident and laughed at the man's misery.
A Southern California woman was in jail Wednesday after allegedly drugging her husband, cutting off his penis, throwing it into the garbage disposal and turning it on, Orange County police said.
Catherine Kieu Becker put a drug or poison in her husband's dinner Monday evening to make him sleepy, according to the initial police investigation.
"The victim went to lie down and he woke up tied to the bed with his wife tugging his clothes off," police said. "The suspect grabbed the victim's penis and cut it off."
Becker told police he "deserved it" when they arrived at the scene after she called 911, the police report said. The couple is going through a divorce.
Becker, 48, was arrested for aggravated mayhem, false imprisonment, assault with a deadly weapon, administering a drug with intent to commit a felony, poisoning, and spousal abuse. She was booked into the Orange County Jail.
The 51-year-old victim, who hasn't been identified because he is an alleged victim of spousal abuse, underwent emergency surgery at the UCI Medical Center, police said.
For more on this story check out CNN affiliate KTLA
The ladies of “The Talk,” CBS’s answer to “The View,” have come under fire for laughing during a segment about Catherine Kieu, the California woman accused of cutting of her husband’s private part and disposing of it in a particularly gruesome way after he asked for a divorce.
“I don’t know the circumstances,” host Sharon Osbourne said. “However, I do think it’s quite fabulous.” What sounded like the entire audience began to laugh.
The other panelists — Leah Remini, Julie Chen, Holly Robinson Peete and Sara Gilbert — didn’t revel in the story quite as much. But all of the hosts let out at least a small chuckle during the conversation.
Gilbert pointed out that the conversation could be perceived as sexist. “Not to be a total buzz kill,” Gilbert began, “but it is a little bit sexist. If somebody cut a woman’s breast off, nobody would be sitting laughing.”
“It’s different,” Osbourne said, before comparing the two parts of the anatomy.
The segment was posted to Reddit, and from there was picked up by the blogosphere. Several blogs, including, “No, Seriously, What About Teh Menz,” has asked readers to write to CBS to show their displeasure.
Monday’s “The Talk” hasn’t aired yet, so it’s not clear if the panelists will address the backlash on the show. We have reached out to CBS for comment and will update if we get one.
here is The Talk clip... watch if you dare, because it WILL make you sick.
Huffington Post Article Segment Becker has been charged with "aggravated mayhem, false imprisonment, assault with a deadly weapon, administering a drug with intent to commit a felony, poisoning and spousal abuse," according to the Associated Press. The most serious of these charges is "aggravated mayhem," which carries a life sentence with possibility of parole (as opposed to just "mayhem," which has a sentence of 3-5 years).
Of the aggravated mayhem charge, Nightengale says, "It's so heinous -- we're looking at this as premeditated. Her intention was to permanently deprive him of a piece of his body and do it in such a way to inflict a great amount of pain and psychological damage." He also adds, "I've been doing this for 22 years and the only other time I remember this happening was when Lorena Bobbitt did it, and that didn't even happen here. This isn't a typical domestic violence case -- it was way over the top."
If you would like to lodge a complaint at CBS's The Talk for being sexist @#$%^s (which they were completely 100% because as you know, its "ONLY SEXISM WHEN MEN DO IT" D:< ) then see masculineheart.blogspot.com where there is a thourough set of links to authorities for making protests.
EDIT: If someone can help me link the videos from these articles I would <333 love that thanks in advance!!! I'm terrible at BBcode...
Pretty sure every morning radio show talked about this news story in a jokingly away, at least the one I listened to did. Not really a controversy but props to Darlene for keeping it real
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
Sorry bro, but gender double standards don't exist unless women are the victimized party. Clearly.
There is hypocrisy and it does need pointing out, but mailing the people behind the show seems more appropriate. A protest is just silly, regardless of whether women would have chosen it as their response.
What would be said if a man mutilated his wife's genitals in similar circumstances? No one would laugh, that's for sure. Hopefully she's away for a while.
The 51-year-old victim underwent emergency surgery at the UCI Medical Center, police said.
I hope he gets his balls back... Must suck that your wife would rather have a life sentence in jail rather than a divorce (Since I understand she turned herself in?)
Becker, 48, was arrested for aggravated mayhem, false imprisonment, assault with a deadly weapon, administering a drug with intent to commit a felony, poisoning, and spousal abuse. She was booked into the Orange County Jail.
205. Aggravated Mayhem. A person is guilty of aggravated mayhem when he or she unlawfully, under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the physical or psychological well-being of another person, intentionally causes permanent disability or disfigurement of another human being or deprives a human being of a limb, organ, or member of his or her body. For purposes of this section, it is not necessary to prove an intent to kill. Aggravated mayhem is a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole.
I guess Aggravated Mayhem is a big deal, but I'd hope she would never leave prison walls ever again. As for the guy his life is ruined. Even forget the sex side of it for a second, I certainly wouldn't like to piss into a tube uncontrollably for the rest of my life.
What she did was obviously wrong and laughing about it is in terribly bad taste. I agree that if a woman was mutilated no one would be laughing, so there's definitely a double standard there.
On July 26 2011 13:09 Arkansassy wrote: What she did was obviously wrong and laughing about it is in terribly bad taste. I agree that if a woman was mutilated no one would be laughing, so there's definitely a double standard there.
i think its just that show though... i certainly am not laughing and i dont think id know many people who would be
I love how CBS actually has a way to file a formal complaint. It's not like they are going to do anything about it. Tons of people watch Sharon Osbourne and this story will get them more views than anything they've had in a long time.
Can't wait to see the hosts and audience laugh uncontrollably at female circumcision that still occurs in parts of Asia and Africa to this day. Oh wait......
I remember hearing this a while back. I can't imagine how the guy must feel...
Well, I can't see society dealing with this appropriately given the gender roles (much like the case where those girls stripped the 12 yo boy in public).
This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
On July 26 2011 13:17 Baarn wrote: Wow she lived to talk to police?
He would be too busy howling in pain to reach her.
He was also still tied down I believe.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Well I certainly can't explain that to you as I think both are wrong.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
Um, how about the fact that every single English-speaking gamer community jokes about rape? If a woman complained about that, I'd probably tell her to untwist her panties.
If he felt the pain... unbearable... said he was drugged to pass out but i dont think after he woke up he was given anything for the pain... -.- To see her cut it off then trash it in garbage disposal...losing your manhood..makes the pit of my stomach drop
fking dumb women thinking they have power n laughing... dumb bitches should stick to pots n pans
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
His point is that they're still making light of a serious thing, since most gamers know what rape is even if they're not laughing at literal rape.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
They're not saying it's good but they're still laughing at the guy. Again, gamers generally aren't laughing at rape victims.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
They are condoning this act, even if jokingly. Rape also has an accepted definition of "to spoil or destroy (a place)." For example one could say the policy of scorched earth rapes the land (obviously there is no forced sex reference there).
Doesn't anyone really care that much? Christ, I can see the humor in cutting off and blending your soon to be ex husbands dick and I'd go so far as to say I love my dick as much as any man could love their own dick. It's not right, obviously, and they're not condoning it by laughing. Lighten up people
The whole rape argument is stupid. If a women said to a guy I'm going to cut off your penis most people would laugh, just like when a gamer says i'm gonna rape you to the guy he's playing.
But if someone actually was raped you wouldn't fucking laugh at it. Just like you shouldn't fucking laugh at this. Disgusts me
wow. the talk show is almost just as disturbing as the incident itself. how do you fucking support that? even in a somewhat joking manner. feminists /despise
Oh god lol. It's always been a random unreasonable fear of mine that I'll meet some crazy woman who pulls out a knife while giving me head. This guy's nightmare came true.
This is worse than murder in a lot of people's eyes, yet you don't see people sitting around laughing at some poor sod who was murdered. Sharon Osbourne is despicable, don't try to be funny at the expense of a man who was tortured and will be mentally and physically scarred for the rest of his life.
I don't think I could write a script to type bitches over and over again til the end of time could even begin to condone how I feel about those bitches sitting there laughing over this. They're getting paid tons of money, by other stupid girls who think this is funny, to sit there and gossip like little school girls. I just got a little more sexist.
Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
yeah im sure you would have the same view if it was your brother/best friend who had their dick chopped off and some bitches were laughing about it on TV.
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
The issue here isn't that "OH NO WE ARE SO OFFENDED."
It's the fact that if a man did something like this to a woman and some guy on a radio show laughed about it, he would be instantly fired and ridiculed all over national television for days, forced to apologize before never being hired in media again.
Women, at the peak of their intelligence, no wonder we left them behind in the kitchen pregnant and barefoot before heading out to do our manly duties.
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
Because middleaged housewives watch this, influnced by it, and will continue to treat people like dicks out in the real world that i'll have to deal with.
This goes along the lines of rap/hiphop teaching young women to become whores, "birdbrained" comedy that dumbs down the IQ's of their viewers for laughs, autotune that kills the music industry.
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
In a purely anecdotal sense, I've been bombarded by feminist flyers, billboards, and rallies that maintain that a joke about rape is never acceptable (which I more or less agree with honestly), and yet mainstream, female targeted culture (we're talking daytime phucking television here) literally laughs about a male castration. This disparity boggles my mind at the very least, and at the most says some terrible things about gender relations. I'm not offended, I just like to call bullshit when I see it.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
Honestly, discussions like that do happen among men, just not on talk TV.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
Because violence against men is funny right? Same as how violence against women is funny? Let's all joke about women getting beaten up and raped!
Yeah this is certainly bullshit. The shit would hit the fan in seconds flat if the situations were gender-reversed. Mutilation is mutilation and I can't think of a world where this is fucking funny.
can someone write a complaint to "The Talk" that awful show with those sexists statements and laughters about a man who was mutilated. There was one woman who said something smart, about how if the genders were reversed and it were men joking about a women getting mutilated it would be insensitive and then that red haired ozborne lady starts yapping her ignorant shit about how its not the same.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
Because violence against men is funny right? Same as how violence against women is funny? Let's all joke about women getting beaten up and raped!
It in itself isn't funny but that does not mean that it is impossible for there to be funny jokes about it.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Context? Gamers usually aren't talking about literal rape, or laughing at rape victims. :/
These women aren't actually saying violence against men is good. They're just joking. But some touchy people are upset by this. Same thing IMO.
Because violence against men is funny right? Same as how violence against women is funny? Let's all joke about women getting beaten up and raped!
It in itself isn't funny but that does not mean that it is impossible for there to be funny jokes about it.
Yeah, I make jokes about domestic abuse against women all the time, because it can be a funny joke.
I hope the b*tch gets boob cancer.. just sayinnn... No seriously, that's like a man cutting off a woman's boob and leaving the other one there. Won't that make her attractive.
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
The issue here isn't that "OH NO WE ARE SO OFFENDED."
It's the fact that if a man did something like this to a woman and some guy on a radio show laughed about it, he would be instantly fired and ridiculed all over national television for days, forced to apologize before never being hired in media again.
Yeah I got that part. And I made fun of you for it. Lol @ you caring. Lol @ you for still not seeing how ridiculous you are even after I pointed it out.
On July 26 2011 14:18 Underoath wrote: I hope the b*tch gets boob cancer.. just sayinnn... No seriously, that's like a man cutting off a woman's boob and leaving the other one there. Won't that make her attractive.
in that case, at least she retains her ability to obtain sexual pleasure unlike this poor gentleman
Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
On July 26 2011 14:27 ToxNub wrote: Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
Would you be saying the same things about a female rape victim who was laughed at on national TV?
(that it's ok to laugh at her and anyone who disagrees is a whiny bitch)
On July 26 2011 14:27 ToxNub wrote: Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
So its okey to make fun of someone who got mutilated and is now horribly scared for life. Gotcha!
Boy did you clear my head. Thank you for making me sane again
On July 26 2011 13:46 ToxNub wrote: Who fucking cares what some dumb talk show hosts want to joke about? Who is actually offended by this? Was it your dick? Cause you're acting like it was. Some of you even have been apparently been waiting for the day so you could cry about double standards. Oooh, yeah, stick it to those women about how easy they have it. Bonus bro points!
The issue here isn't that "OH NO WE ARE SO OFFENDED."
It's the fact that if a man did something like this to a woman and some guy on a radio show laughed about it, he would be instantly fired and ridiculed all over national television for days, forced to apologize before never being hired in media again.
Yeah I got that part. And I made fun of you for it. Lol @ you caring. Lol @ you for still not seeing how ridiculous you are even after I pointed it out.
You are the only one who seems ridiculous here. Also your points are ill formed and make no sense, are saying this kind of mutilation is good, or are you saying that making fun of people that have had their lives ruined is good?
Either way troll somewhere else, I wish I had a report button already...
On July 26 2011 14:27 ToxNub wrote: Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
i think the guy who just got his dick cut off's life is a little bit worse
On July 26 2011 13:04 Aresien wrote: What would be said if a man mutilated his wife's genitals in similar circumstances? No one would laugh, that's for sure. Hopefully she's away for a while.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Talk shows are so retarded, imo.
Like when the one woman said that they wouldn't be laughing if it was the other way around, and the other said, "It's different."... Wow.
I wonder if Sharon thinks vaginal-mutilation stories are good for a little chuckle on daytime network television? She should give it a try. She's got the balls.
Maaaaaaan so many things I want to say but I don't wanna -_-. That talk show, some of it was funny but the one thing that bothered me was joke on top of joke was just piling up and the whole story just got irrelevant and it also makes me think that show is just garbage. Who watches a show like that? Not because of the whole dick cutting thing but because how the story just fell apart.
Ok now that I think of it, that video was JUST a clip rofl. I still hope they at least talked more about it instead of just joking around. Actually one of the women said she would cut off his man's penis "IF" then it made me wonder and now I'm curious to see what the breaking point is for women to cut their man's dick off.
as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not?
Ok, be right back, just going to tell the guy who got his penis cut off that it's not a real problem because it doesn't happen much and there won't be many support groups for him to go to.
You want to talk about double standards? What if it was a man who made jokes about this? Would anyone even fucking blink? No. Nobody would give half a shit. All of this pussy "you can't say that" is garbage, and you know it. some of you have some serious gender rivalry butthurt going on
On July 26 2011 13:04 Aresien wrote: What would be said if a man mutilated his wife's genitals in similar circumstances? No one would laugh, that's for sure. Hopefully she's away for a while.
Day in the life of East Africa/Middle East?
No seriously, this shit is way past repugnant. Mutilating someones sexual organs regardless of gender should be taken a little bit more seriously by these "personalities". Obviously who they pretend to be on air and who they actually are are very different but whoever the hell thought it was a good idea to make a joke about someone who was assaulted and mutilated should be fired. It's absolutely disgusting to broach levity in such a situation.
Also give the woman that assaulted 15 years in jail >.<
Oh yeah, to the three year olds arguing about What if a man said it you wouldn't blink.
It's amazing that you can read my mind. Now stop theorycrafting gender psychology and shut it.
On July 26 2011 14:40 Terranist wrote: but jackass is funny because men 'emasculate' themselves in the nuts to critical acclaim.
Same double standard. Society tells us its okay to laugh at violence against men, and to find violence against women disgusting. Doesn't mean I wouldn't laugh, but at least I know what the deal is. Genital mutilation is going too far, though, and really, I think more of the reaction here is against the double standard than against the fact that it was discussed like that. People would rather have fairness than whatever their stance on media broadcasting is.
On July 26 2011 14:44 ToxNub wrote: You want to talk about double standards? What if it was a man who made jokes about this? Would anyone even fucking blink? No. Nobody would give half a shit. All of this pussy "you can't say that" is garbage, and you know it. some of you have some serious gender rivalry butthurt going on
Yes, I'm sure if it was a man doing it I wouldn't find the jokes to be done in poor taste... oh wait it honestly wouldn't matter. It's ok though, you can keep over exaggerating how much of a deal people are making of this, even if they simply think it's a double-standard, or simply unneeded jokes.
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
I guess you'll find it hard to believe but some people have this feeling called Empathy. I know you may not understand because you are clearly lacking it but for people that have empathy ya the talk show would piss you off. No worrys tho some people are just douches and I understand that. Many people dont give a damn about anything that doesnt affect them
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
Can someone please report this guy, he is so obviously trolling, and making ridiculous Ad Hominum statements about the usage of the word rape that noting to do with this topic at all.
What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
40% of the population? first off, females make up 50% of the population, less than 20% of women have been raped, which is 10% of the population, Making jokes about a specific persons rape is NEVER ok, making jokes that include rape is frowned upon, but not the same thing. While I am ok with humor in the media, they took the wrong side of the situation.
News flash, both rape and chopping off someones dick is not ok, they are both problems.
girl cuts of guys junk, and immediately cries of "that'll teach him" and "i find this fabulous" pop up, and everyone says it's just a joke, or "it depends on the circumstances".
what circumstances? even if he DID do something terrible like cheat, he was filing for divorce is ALL we know.
so if this was the other way around.
a guy drugs his wife who wants a divorce, ties her up, and cuts off a body part of hers, lets not even say it's her genitals, lets just say it's her thumbs instead since people like to make weird male vs female genitals comparisons.
under WHAT scenario, would this EVER be brought on television, and people would laugh about it, and say "oh it's just a joke, grow up, get real". under WHAT scenario would anyone say "well, really, it was fabulous, that'll teach her a lesson, well really, i guess it depends on the situation". Really? so if the woman was caught cheating on the husband, and filed for a divorce because she wanted to be with her beau, then it'd be justified for her to lose a limb or two? cmon what the fuck, this is a sick situation and the way this was handled was terrible. a group of guys on say the manshow joking about this would have feminist rights activist protesting at their fucking station within hours.
the simple fact is this is fucking terrible, no human being deserves this, and no one should ever think it's a laughing matter regardless of the "situation".
On July 26 2011 14:40 Terranist wrote: but jackass is funny because men 'emasculate' themselves in the nuts to critical acclaim.
Same double standard. Society tells us its okay to laugh at violence against men, and to find violence against women disgusting. Doesn't mean I wouldn't laugh, but at least I know what the deal is. Genital mutilation is going too far, though, and really, I think more of the reaction here is against the double standard than against the fact that it was discussed like that. People would rather have fairness than whatever their stance on media broadcasting is.
that's a good point but the vast majority of jackass viewers are male. how can it be a double standard if we (men) are primarily the ones that make it an acceptable behavior.
speaking on the topic itself, people are looking at it in the wrong context. set aside your gender bias and watch the clip again. the talk show is simply poking fun at the absurdity of the whole event. hardly sexist compared to the bullshit women have to endure on broadcast TV.
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
Was the guy who got his penis removed a rapist? Was he abusive to his wife?
You're comparing it to a rape-joke -- what rape-joke in particular? I've heard rape-jokes, but not so much from celebrity daytime talk shows, and never have I head a rape-joke based off of a recent real-life event. George Carlin may have told a rape-joke or two, but he's not an idiot. He knows where the lines you don't cross are.
Humor, like all matters of taste, is subjective. Bu that doesn't mean that any humor is in good taste. "Good" taste and "good" humor and all subjective matters of what is "good" are defined by consensus. I guarantee you that in this case, the consensus is going to be that Sharon's "joke" was tasteless and not funny. Not good. The question I ask isn't why do people care enough to discuss this -- that's a stupid question really. They discuss it because they can. The question I'm thinking of is why do you care what people discuss? Does it bother you that people are offended when real-life genital-mutilation is used as humor in daytime T.V.? Why? Do you enjoy that humor? It's okay if you do, I'm just curious as to what your point is.
On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote: What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show?
i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world
6 pages of men crying about what 1 woman said on tv means it is apparently a big deal. That's not my call, the evidence is available for all to see.
"Absolutely disgraceful. All of it. " "She's scum" "the talk show is almost just as disturbing as the incident itself." "What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed... "
It's funny you say that I'm the one exaggerating... The irony is so thick it could be cut with a knife.
Ok, so rape jokes are poor taste and 9/11 jokes are poor taste and dead baby jokes are poor taste and whatever. THERE ARE REAL DEAD BABIES YOU KNOW! That's comedy, big deal. Get over it. If somebody made a dead baby joke and you said "that's in poor taste", I wouldn't be posting in this thread. But if you tried to turn it into a crusade about how unfair it is that somebody got away with a dead baby joke, because everytime you made one nobody laughed, I would appropriately judge you to be mentally unfit.
Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that men should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism. It's more of something a random person would shout in a crowd to exploit retarded groupthink mentality and incite protest. "WELL IF A MAN DID IT EVERYONE BE MAD M I RITE GUYS?!" C'mon.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. Was the talk show lady being a little immature? Yeah, I'll give you that. Is she a sexist, a hypocrite, and a terrible person? Maybe, but it's impossible to tell from the video. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
My dick is sweating profusely and shaking uncontrollably upon reading the news article. I'm petting and comforting it letting it know I won't let any crazy bitches with a cleaver get near. This shit is disgusting, worst then murder imo.
On July 26 2011 14:55 Terranist wrote: speaking on the topic itself, people are looking at it in the wrong context. set aside your gender bias and watch the clip again. the talk show is simply poking fun at the absurdity of the whole event. hardly sexist compared to the bullshit women have to endure on broadcast TV.
It's not absurdist, a dead baby joke is absurdist as someone else pointed out, you're exaggerating a hypothetical scenario for comic effect (what's worse than 10 dead babies in a trash can, 1 dead baby in 10 trash cans, etc.)
This actually happened to someone, so they're "poking fun" at the person it happened to.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art and entertainment. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
I am offended by this, not because it's sexist but because it's completely inappropriate. The guy was a victim of a terrible assault, a betrayal of trust by his wife who poisoned and then maimed him, and they're making jokes about it. You don't make jokes about real victims of real crimes.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're (the thread) bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
On July 26 2011 14:55 Terranist wrote: speaking on the topic itself, people are looking at it in the wrong context. set aside your gender bias and watch the clip again. the talk show is simply poking fun at the absurdity of the whole event. hardly sexist compared to the bullshit women have to endure on broadcast TV.
It's not absurdist, a dead baby joke is absurdist as someone else pointed out, you're exaggerating a hypothetical scenario for comic effect (what's worse than 10 dead babies in a trash can, 1 dead baby in 10 trash cans, etc.)
This actually happened to someone, so they're "poking fun" at the person it happened to.
Exactly. I don't care if someone makes a joke about lopping off a dick and using it as a shower head, but when someone actually gets horribly and brutally mutilated, that shit isn't funny unless you completely dehumanize the victim. Jokes about penises in garbage disposals and talking about the possibility of actually deserving it show a pretty clear lack of empathy, and yeah, it's offensive.
Considering HE asked HER for divorce, the woman was obviously insane.
I could somewhat understand if he was beating her or something and then she poisoned him and cut it off but it sounds like she's just crazy and he files for divorce and then .. you know what happened.
But the only one on the show that's is a total and complete imbecile is Sharon, the others I agree with. Being married to Ozzy all those years might explain a bit. I agree with the one girl that there could be things that would make someone chop off their husbands penis, such as rape or beatings. But yea, the only one on the show that deserves any flack is Sharon.
On July 26 2011 14:56 ToxNub wrote: Ok, so rape jokes are poor taste and 9/11 jokes are poor taste and dead baby jokes are poor taste and whatever. THERE ARE REAL DEAD BABIES YOU KNOW! That's comedy, big deal. Get over it. If somebody made a dead baby joke and you said "that's in poor taste", I wouldn't be posting in this thread. But if you tried to turn it into a crusade about how unfair it is that somebody got away with a dead baby joke, because everytime you made one nobody laughed, I would appropriately judge you to be mentally unfit.
It's not about the the poor taste.
It's the fact that were a men's talk show to make fun of female genital mutilation, they would be immediately pulled from the air, and feminists would be up in arms over it.
By contrast, a women's talk show is given a free pass, and most feminists (who are supposedly in favor of gender equality and not just pro-women) don't give a shit.
On July 26 2011 14:56 ToxNub wrote: Ok, so rape jokes are poor taste and 9/11 jokes are poor taste and dead baby jokes are poor taste and whatever. THERE ARE REAL DEAD BABIES YOU KNOW! That's comedy, big deal. Get over it. If somebody made a dead baby joke and you said "that's in poor taste", I wouldn't be posting in this thread. But if you tried to turn it into a crusade about how unfair it is that somebody got away with a dead baby joke, because everytime you made one nobody laughed, I would appropriately judge you to be mentally unfit.
It's not about the the poor taste.
It's the fact that were a men's talk show to make fun of female genital mutilation, they would be immediately pulled from the air, and feminists would be up in arms over it.
By contrast, a women's talk show is given a free pass, and most feminists (who are supposedly in favor of gender equality and not just pro-women) don't give a shit.
Are you blind? look at this thread. is this a free pass?
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote: What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show?
i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world
Women aren't treated like shit by me or anyone I know >.> Actually, I have not seen discrimination (between ppl I know) against women in real life in years. The other day I saw a guy being a dick to his gf on the bus.... And I was about ready to defend his gf when she did the same thing to him. I wish I could prevent ppl from being pricks all over the world, but I am not going to be condemned for someone elses actions. It's the same thing with racism, I have never been racist, I will not tolerate being limited because americans owned slaves and had jim crow laws and other crap before my family immigrated to america.
On July 26 2011 14:55 Terranist wrote: speaking on the topic itself, people are looking at it in the wrong context. set aside your gender bias and watch the clip again. the talk show is simply poking fun at the absurdity of the whole event. hardly sexist compared to the bullshit women have to endure on broadcast TV.
It's not absurdist, a dead baby joke is absurdist as someone else pointed out, you're exaggerating a hypothetical scenario for comic effect (what's worse than 10 dead babies in a trash can, 1 dead baby in 10 trash cans, etc.)
This actually happened to someone, so they're "poking fun" at the person it happened to.
no, they aren't directly poking fun at him but rather the unique situation. the hypothetical idea of a cheating husband's penis being severed is far more comical than dead babies.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're (the thread) bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
Just pretend I said exactly what this guy said. And yeah I'm being ranty, but that's for personality and color. I could have just made an outline of my points and shit but that's no fun.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
the shortsighted hypocrisy in this thread is blowing my mind. YOU are the censor. Not me. How can you not see that? You quote the guy who quite clearly is talking about the claims of sexism, and you strawman it to being about joke censorship.
On July 26 2011 15:08 ToxNub wrote: Are you blind? look at this thread. is this a free pass?
People like you are trying so hard to give it to them, and Sharon herself is claiming that it's different because it's a penis that was cut off.
And as poined out, feminists would come slamming down on any male talk show host who made such a joke about female genital mutilation, to the point of shutting down the show, yet there's no response here.
Notice how there's been no official apology from either the show or the network? I guarantee that the opposite would be true if the genders were reversed.
On July 26 2011 15:10 Terranist wrote: the hypothetical idea of a cheating husband's penis being severed is far more comical than dead babies.
Nowhere does it indicate that the man cheated, but your assumption that this was the case more or less sums up your sexist views.
Would it be comical if a husband severed the clitoris of his cheating wife? If not, why is it funny the other way around? Don't you think it has to do with double standards that legitimizes sexual violence against men?
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
the shortsighted hypocrisy in this thread is blowing my mind. YOU are the censor. Not me. How can you not see that? You quote the guy who quite clearly is talking about the claims of sexism, and you strawman it to being about joke censorship.
How am I a censor? Have I said that she shouldn't be allowed to say that joke? Or any joke?
No.
Sensationalize more. Please continue to tell me how unreasonable we are for not thinking Sharon's joke was funny.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
the shortsighted hypocrisy in this thread is blowing my mind. YOU are the censor. Not me. How can you not see that? You quote the guy who quite clearly is talking about the claims of sexism, and you strawman it to being about joke censorship.
How am I a censor? Have I said that she shouldn't be allowed to say that joke? Or any joke?
No.
Sensationalize more. Please continue to tell me how unreasonable we are for not thinking Sharon's joke was funny.
Yep, that's totally it man. That's why you keep repeating the same tired point that I just accused you of repeating, that's completely irrelevant to the topic. Pro-argument mang.
Everyone go out, grab a girl and mutilate there genitals and see the uproar in comparision so we have a good strong data pool to get our debate on if women are really trying to be equal then men, or just plain above them.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
Yo dawg, if you want to say "well laughing at that is in pretty poor taste" then you go for it and you'll get no response from me. My post was (mainly) focused on the people trying to construe this story as a commentary on sexism against men. I know I said no one should be offended by what someone thinks is funny but that's a separate argument. My main point is that this shit has nothing to do with sexism or reverse sexism or anything you want to call it. Also I'm not trying to censor anything, I'm just saying it's fucking retarded. Disagreement =/= censorship.
On July 26 2011 15:05 KwarK wrote: I am offended by this, not because it's sexist but because it's completely inappropriate. The guy was a victim of a terrible assault, a betrayal of trust by his wife who poisoned and then maimed him, and they're making jokes about it. You don't make jokes about real victims of real crimes.
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
the shortsighted hypocrisy in this thread is blowing my mind. YOU are the censor. Not me. How can you not see that? You quote the guy who quite clearly is talking about the claims of sexism, and you strawman it to being about joke censorship.
How am I a censor? Have I said that she shouldn't be allowed to say that joke? Or any joke?
No.
Sensationalize more. Please continue to tell me how unreasonable we are for not thinking Sharon's joke was funny.
Yep, that's totally it man. That's why you keep repeating the same tired point that I just accused you of repeating, that's completely irrelevant to the topic. Pro-argument mang.
Cool, as long as you get it.
So what's your problem again?
On July 26 2011 14:27 ToxNub wrote: Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
I added the bolding for emphasis/
Someone's life did get hurt specifically, and Sharon made a joke of it on TV. That's blatantly rude, hardly funny. People want to point that out, and you're berating them for it. Why? I still don't get it. If you're an entertainer and you do something that sucks, people will say so... What's wrong about that? If you want to argue that Sharon shouldn't be a topic of discussion because she shouldn't be on TV in the first place because she isn't funny in the least, then maybe we'll be getting somewhere.
On July 26 2011 13:19 moltenlead wrote: I remember hearing this a while back. I can't imagine how the guy must feel...
Well, I can't see society dealing with this appropriately given the gender roles (much like the case where those girls stripped the 12 yo boy in public).
I agree. Shit like this really grinds my gears. And it seems to pop up every now and then to frustrate me
On July 26 2011 14:59 Kiangani wrote: Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out. 2. Supposedly the controversy here is that if a man were to laugh at some sort of female equivalent of this it would be viewed as sexist, whereas in this case it's not viewed as sexist because a woman did it. This the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in my life because IT IS BEING VIEWED AS SEXIST WHAT THE FUCK people are going batshit over this. If anything this is proof that "it's not sexist if a woman does it" is BULLSHIT because everyone and their dad is getting up in arms over something that doesn't even matter. Not only that but people are getting all pissed off over shit that is based PURELY IN HYPOTHESIS AND THEORY. Why oh why OH WHY would anyone, after reading this story, make the (il)logical conclusion that mean should be getting angry cause of some sort of fucked up reverse meta-sexism.
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF. Just because certain men might not find it funny doesn't mean it is offensive or some sort of commentary on how sexism has evolved in our culture when a woman finds it funny. It's just a fucking story about a severed dick.
You find it funny, some found it disturbing (as I did). I find it weird the people who find it harmlessly funny are the ones writing the rantiest posts.
Some jokes piss people off. They're going to say so. That's art. You're not defending art by shielding it from criticism. You're killing it. People have the right to point out when Sharon sticks her foot in her mouth. That's what she gets for putting her face on my goddamn TV.
Except, you're not bitching about sharon's bad joke. You're bitching about gender inequality, and you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process.
"Strawmanning intelligent posts" seems like a contradictory term, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I've said nothing about gender inequality. This is more about people having the right to point out poor taste without being accused of some form of censorship by sensationalists like yourself.
the shortsighted hypocrisy in this thread is blowing my mind. YOU are the censor. Not me. How can you not see that? You quote the guy who quite clearly is talking about the claims of sexism, and you strawman it to being about joke censorship.
How am I a censor? Have I said that she shouldn't be allowed to say that joke? Or any joke?
No.
Sensationalize more. Please continue to tell me how unreasonable we are for not thinking Sharon's joke was funny.
Yep, that's totally it man. That's why you keep repeating the same tired point that I just accused you of repeating, that's completely irrelevant to the topic. Pro-argument mang.
On July 26 2011 14:27 ToxNub wrote: Public outrage leads me to believe I am the only sane person left on this planet.
Look, it's ok to talk about racism, homophobia, sexism, double standards, or whatever when we're talking about real problems. Like, someone got fucking hurt because of it. Somebody's life is worse because life handed them a raw deal.
Any other time you are just being a whiny bitch. A talk show is nothing to be upset about. Jokes are not the stuff to get upset about. You hypocrites are pulling the same shit you supposedly despise.
I added the bolding for emphasis/
Someone's life did get hurt specifically, and Sharon made a joke of it on TV. That's blatantly rude, hardly funny. People want to point that out, and you're berating them for it. Why? I still don't get it. If you're an entertainer and you do something that sucks, people will say so... What's wrong about that? If you want to argue that Sharon shouldn't be a topic of discussion because she shouldn't be on TV in the first place because she isn't funny in the least, then maybe we'll be getting somewhere.
Alright there's some MAJOR miscommunication going on here. Let's take a couple steps back. There is far, FAR more going on in this thread then "well that's not funny" or "that's totally tasteless". The source of my rage (found in the original post you replied to a page or two back) was mainly this outcry over sexism against men that is getting all over the internet and all over this thread because of this supposed "incident", NOT the fact that people thought it wasn't funny. Like I said, if you want to complain that these women were saying things that were uncalled for or disgusting or something then go for it. I wouldn't agree with your decision to be offended by what some people think is funny but once again like I said that's a different argument.
For the record, I think these girls are just as annoying as anyone else does. I just think this outcry is completely and utterly pointless and a prime example of how sensationalist everyone gets over the littlest things that don't matter in the slightest. Waste of time and effort.
edit: I guess the argument is between you and the other guy now but I felt like I should chime in cause it was my post that started it.
The whole situation surrounding the story is kind of absurd so I'm not that surprised they are having a laugh or two. Filing a complaint at CBS is not the manly thing to do imho. Being butt-hurt about a talkshow is something best left to christian moms.
props to the actress on the left - in the maroon and white striped top - trying to be more human about the matter and not a giggling sexist like the others. that took some courage to do on national TV when everyone in the room is laughing. HUGE respect!
she looks alot better here than in big bang theory :D what's her name?
I really seem to feel very condemned towards the hosts of the talk show. To no surprise, the entire audience is female as well. Even though men are mostly and still considered to be dominant in society, this is unacceptable. (I am male). I do not understand why those women were even laughing at that matter. Rape is not a laughing matter. Men don't go around laughing about how women get raped. These cases are serious matters and I am very indignant of this situation.
On July 26 2011 15:32 Flyingdutchman wrote: The whole situation surrounding the story is kind of absurd so I'm not that surprised they are having a laugh or two. Filing a complaint at CBS is not the manly thing to do imho. Being butt-hurt about a talkshow is something best left to christian moms.
lol i'll ignore the religion bashing but there certainly are people in this thread that only argue that it's a double standard for the sake or arguing it without realizing that not once in the history of the internet has anybody been convinced they are wrong.
i'm sure all the female rape victims are really hurting over this disgraceful thread.
That man probably has some good dick if his soon-to-be ex-wife would rather sit in jail than risk another women getting all that good sausage in the future. If she cant have it...no one can.
On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote: What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show?
i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world
Women aren't treated like shit by me or anyone I know >.> Actually, I have not seen discrimination (between ppl I know) against women in real life in years. The other day I saw a guy being a dick to his gf on the bus.... And I was about ready to defend his gf when she did the same thing to him. I wish I could prevent ppl from being pricks all over the world, but I am not going to be condemned for someone elses actions. It's the same thing with racism, I have never been racist, I will not tolerate being limited because americans owned slaves and had jim crow laws and other crap before my family immigrated to america.
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
If people think they can force other people to act nicely with foul remarks, well, that's not really the intent of their remark is it? It would make more sense to say something nice if you want nice back. Join in some ever-escalating game of hurtful language, and you get a person acting like Sharon Osbourne or Don Imus as the result, or more lamentably, the modern population of youth (on average, I know there's still some young people who keep it clean ).
I don't think anyone condones this behaviour, but let's get some things straight. People seem to be upset about the following things:
A poor bastard had his pride and joy removed I think every man, woman and child can appreciate the gravity of the situation for this poor man. No man should have to live through that.
These hosts made a really tasteless joke given the situation Disgusting, disrespectful and downright stupid come to mind. The arrogance and naivety to try and jest as this poor bastard's predicament is pathetic.
Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
Think of the previous two points, they deserve your rage. Not some thinly veiled double standard. So men are hard done by, this poor guy had his nuts chopped off and then these hags had the audacity to laugh about it. That is what you should be raging about, not whether they get off lightly because they are women.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
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so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: I don't think anyone condones this behaviour, but let's get some things straight. People seem to be upset about the following things:
A poor bastard had his pride and joy removed I think every man, woman and child can appreciate the gravity of the situation for this poor man. No man should have to live through that.
These hosts made a really tasteless joke given the situation Disgusting, disrespectful and downright stupid come to mind. The arrogance and naivety to try and jest as this poor bastard's predicament is pathetic.
Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
Think of the previous two points, they deserve your rage. Not some thinly veiled double standard. So men are hard done by, this poor guy had his nuts chopped off and then these hags had the audacity to laugh about it. That is what you should be raging about, not whether they get off lightly because they are women.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, except I think that the third point is really part of the second point. Feminists are generally quick to pounce all over jokes that might come close to offending a female victim, so a group of proclaimed feminists laughing at a male victim adds hypocrisy to tastelessness. I think that the specific hypocrisy of the hosts is the issue, not some vague generalized "double standard".
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals?
I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about.
society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
On July 26 2011 13:02 Snet wrote: Well god damn. I would rather be murdered then that shit.
yeap.
and the girls are probably joking. and you cant just not have sexism when the show is about 6 women talking...i mean come on, guys make snide jokes about women too. not a big deal, but the women who did it is obv fking bat shit crazy and deserves punishment. cutting off genitals is torture to the max. even terrorists are protected under the geneva convention (for what it's worth) from such torture, so obv a man who cheats, a man who is a bad husband does not deserve such punishment. obv. my 2 cents.
On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote: What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show?
i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world
Women aren't treated like shit by me or anyone I know >.> Actually, I have not seen discrimination (between ppl I know) against women in real life in years. The other day I saw a guy being a dick to his gf on the bus.... And I was about ready to defend his gf when she did the same thing to him. I wish I could prevent ppl from being pricks all over the world, but I am not going to be condemned for someone elses actions. It's the same thing with racism, I have never been racist, I will not tolerate being limited because americans owned slaves and had jim crow laws and other crap before my family immigrated to america.
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
If people think they can force other people to act nicely with foul remarks, well, that's not really the intent of their remark is it? It would make more sense to say something nice if you want nice back. Join in some ever-escalating game of hurtful language, and you get a person acting like Sharon Osbourne or Don Imus as the result, or more lamentably, the modern population of youth (on average, I know there's still some young people who keep it clean ).
No, this isn't censorship, it's advice.
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
I would like to stop all of what you just said, but I will not be held accountable for the actions of others. I have never sold, nor will I ever sell a female as a sex slave; I do not consider women to be second rate citizens, and the country I live in (U.S) has more females going to college than males.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
I have not said anything about Sharon as of yet and would not say anything that I wouldn't tell to her in person. I think that her comments were distasteful and untimely. To use a point that was made earlier in the thread, if a predominately male show made a series of jokes and comments about a woman being drugged, tied up and tortured by her husband, the show would be offline before the next commercial break and the picket line would be started within 20 minutes.
Keep in mind that I would not be part of the picket line, nor would I call for the show to be taken off air, I will point out the double standard that shouldn't even be a standard in the first place. It is sad, really sad that a topic such as womens rights and black rights and so forth had to be created. Sadly, while I don't want to be held accountable for the actions of people that bare a slight resemblance to me, I regret knowing that until quite recently inequality was normal.
I would never advocate for censorship, and thank you for the advice.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: I don't think anyone condones this behaviour, but let's get some things straight. People seem to be upset about the following things:
A poor bastard had his pride and joy removed I think every man, woman and child can appreciate the gravity of the situation for this poor man. No man should have to live through that.
These hosts made a really tasteless joke given the situation Disgusting, disrespectful and downright stupid come to mind. The arrogance and naivety to try and jest as this poor bastard's predicament is pathetic.
Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
Think of the previous two points, they deserve your rage. Not some thinly veiled double standard. So men are hard done by, this poor guy had his nuts chopped off and then these hags had the audacity to laugh about it. That is what you should be raging about, not whether they get off lightly because they are women.
I agree with pretty much all of your post, except I think that the third point is really part of the second point. Feminists are generally quick to pounce all over jokes that might come close to offending a female victim, so a group of proclaimed feminists laughing at a male victim adds hypocrisy to tastelessness. I think that the specific hypocrisy of the hosts is the issue, not some vague generalized "double standard".
I don't deny the hypocrisy at all, just its importance in this case. People do stupid things, I can't imagine these women meant harm with their attempt at humour. That doesn't excuse them and sure if the situation were reversed their might be more of an outcry. But, why is it that whilst reading about the atrocity that this poor man has to go through; people decide to that the hypocrisy is the most important part of the story?
On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote: Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
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I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals?
I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about.
society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
The joke was really tasteless and these people should keep themselves incontrol Jokes aside, if you put things in context, they were having laughs at a mans demise. There's a reason why people don't joke about some person getting raped, or some people getting killed, on air, because it's insensitive and it just shows what kind of a person you truly are.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals?
I would hope so, perhaps not. I never said it was fair, just that this is hardly the issue to be up in arms about.
society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
The joke was really tasteless and these people should keep themselves incontrol Jokes aside, if you put things in context, they were having laughs at a mans demise. There's a reason why people don't joke about some person getting raped, or some people getting killed, on air, because it's insensitive and it just shows what kind of a person you truly are.
This. To find the misery of this human being's situation funny or comedic is simply morally appalling.
They are despicable, and that is a major understatement.
On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote: Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? .
This is where you and I agree.
I don't find this funny. Whether it is Sharon Osbourne, or Leno, or Conan or whoever.
this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it
This is where we disagree.
I don't see how getting all flustered about apparent hypocrisy is helping this situation at all. As you quite rightly point out, there are double standards going both ways. Man can joke about dicks but women can't. Can anyone joke about women's bits? I don't know, and in this situation, I don't care. I feel that these people should be held to account for what they have said, regardless of their gender.
It was a completely tasteless and insensitive attempt at humour. Doesn't matter about who said it.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female.
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see the post directly above yours. men get away with it and nobody bats an eye but god forbid a woman tries to. it's understandable that some people despise making humor of the circumstances but in today's world they are the vocal minority or more likely looking to pick a fight.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female.
see the post directly above yours. men get away with it and nobody bats an eye but god forbid a woman tries to. it's understandable that some people despise making humor of the circumstances but in today's world they are the vocal minority or more likely looking to pick a fight.
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I have not seen the 3 male talk shows hosts that was referred to, if you have a link to their vids or a specific point about what they said then I would look at ALL of the shows with disdain and would want an apology. My specific point is that there are many people that are ignored because the idiots are louder. There are millions like me, who treat all people equally, and don't condone the crude remarks made by Sharon specifically.
On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote: Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? .
This is where you and I agree.
I don't find this funny. Whether it is Sharon Osbourne, or Leno, or Conan or whoever.
this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it
This is where we disagree.
I don't see how getting all flustered about apparent hypocrisy is helping this situation at all. As you quite rightly point out, there are double standards going both ways. Man can joke about dicks but women can't. Can anyone joke about women's bits? I don't know, and in this situation, I don't care. I feel that these people should be held to account for what they have said, regardless of their gender.
It was a completely tasteless and insensitive attempt at humour. Doesn't matter about who said it.
completely understandable to think that some people would not find any humor in the subject.
however, i would like to point out that unfortunately for us, men joke about their dicks all the time to the point where it is socially comedic. if anyone can find a multi-million view youtube clip of a woman being hit in the genitals then i'll gladly believe otherwise.
if this is truly about gender equality then if they punish the women of this show, they damn well better punish the guys mentioned above.
On July 26 2011 15:57 Probulous wrote: Are you trying to excuse what these women did? Do you disagree that it was a tasteless and entirely inappropriate joke? Personally I care less whether these were women or men, a man having his manhood taken is not a laughing matter. The whole gender thing is a side issue.
is it alright when Leno, Letterman, and Conan talk about it? i don't see anyone giving a fuck then but now that women do it, it blows up? .
This is where you and I agree.
I don't find this funny. Whether it is Sharon Osbourne, or Leno, or Conan or whoever.
this whole topic is bullshit and if anything it is a double standard that we reprimand the women over it
This is where we disagree.
I don't see how getting all flustered about apparent hypocrisy is helping this situation at all. As you quite rightly point out, there are double standards going both ways. Man can joke about dicks but women can't. Can anyone joke about women's bits? I don't know, and in this situation, I don't care. I feel that these people should be held to account for what they have said, regardless of their gender.
It was a completely tasteless and insensitive attempt at humour. Doesn't matter about who said it.
Exactly. It's not even the joking about penises, it's the fact that they do it following a story about a man having his penis cut off. When other comedians make penis jokes they're not basing it on a story about a dude getting tortured, they're just making jokes. If they had removed the news story from their clip I wouldn't have a problem, but the fact that they're joking about a woman cutting off some dudes penis is sick. If any comedian joked about a crime that actually happened I'd be disgusted as well.
Take a chill pill. They're just joking around, and, here's a hint, they don't matter. Nothing these women do matters. May I ask why u were watching this show anyway? There are much more constructive ways to fight sexism than getting mad at a double standard on a crappy daytime talk show.
On July 26 2011 16:39 slytown wrote: Take a chill pill. They're just joking around, and, here's a hint, they don't matter. Nothing these women do matters. May I ask why u were watching this show anyway? There are much more constructive ways to fight sexism than getting mad at a double standard on a crappy daytime talk show.
Actually I would imagine that when you have a show that millions of people watch, the things you say would have profound effects.
On July 26 2011 14:54 MERLIN. wrote: What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed...
lol so ur denying that there is sexism towards women just cause 4 women were being sexist towards men on a tv show?
i agree with all this outrage and indignantion (over the actual incident, and maybe sharon osbourne) but you can't just go hating all women and denying that women get treated like shit all over the world
Women aren't treated like shit by me or anyone I know >.> Actually, I have not seen discrimination (between ppl I know) against women in real life in years. The other day I saw a guy being a dick to his gf on the bus.... And I was about ready to defend his gf when she did the same thing to him. I wish I could prevent ppl from being pricks all over the world, but I am not going to be condemned for someone elses actions. It's the same thing with racism, I have never been racist, I will not tolerate being limited because americans owned slaves and had jim crow laws and other crap before my family immigrated to america.
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
If people think they can force other people to act nicely with foul remarks, well, that's not really the intent of their remark is it? It would make more sense to say something nice if you want nice back. Join in some ever-escalating game of hurtful language, and you get a person acting like Sharon Osbourne or Don Imus as the result, or more lamentably, the modern population of youth (on average, I know there's still some young people who keep it clean ).
As far as mistreatment of women, tens of thousands of girls and women are sold as sex slaves every year, and millions are second rate citizens in various countries. Several also receive secondary priority when it comes to education.
I would like to stop all of what you just said, but I will not be held accountable for the actions of others. I have never sold, nor will I ever sell a female as a sex slave; I do not consider women to be second rate citizens, and the country I live in (U.S) has more females going to college than males.
My issue with this thread, and youtube comments is "Sharon Osbourne acted like a (insert rude anti-woman word here)" is something I'm reading far too commonly. Can't you just say she was very rude without using a spiteful (against women) word?
I have not said anything about Sharon as of yet and would not say anything that I wouldn't tell to her in person. I think that her comments were distasteful and untimely. To use a point that was made earlier in the thread, if a predominately male show made a series of jokes and comments about a woman being drugged, tied up and tortured by her husband, the show would be offline before the next commercial break and the picket line would be started within 20 minutes.
Keep in mind that I would not be part of the picket line, nor would I call for the show to be taken off air, I will point out the double standard that shouldn't even be a standard in the first place. It is sad, really sad that a topic such as womens rights and black rights and so forth had to be created. Sadly, while I don't want to be held accountable for the actions of people that bare a slight resemblance to me, I regret knowing that until quite recently inequality was normal.
I would never advocate for censorship, and thank you for the advice.
Cutting the clitoris of a woman counts as a sadistic crime performed by some savage tribes and is looked down upon by the entire world. Cutting off the penis makes some women laugh. gender equality my ass
On July 26 2011 16:57 fuzzy_panda wrote: Cutting the clitoris of a woman counts as a sadistic crime performed by some savage tribes and is looked down upon by the entire world. Cutting off the penis makes some women laugh. gender equality my ass
I'm all for equality... but this makes me cringe =/ What ever its not like she isn't being charged / getting jail time.
On July 26 2011 15:44 Probulous wrote: [*]Apparent double standards If this were a group of men, they would be hauled over the coals for any behaviour remotely similar to this and it seems these women have gotten off, scott free. I would argue that whilst this may be true, it is hardly worth getting upset over.
so if men joke about the exact same situation where a seemingly unfaithful man's penis is cut off then they're still hauled over coals? society.. no wait, men have deemed penis humor acceptable and now we're up in arms when women try to join in?
I never deemed penis humor to be acceptable... It's too bad that enough guys did that you would believe this. Women can join in all they want, I would have the same problem if a guy made the same jokes in the same circumstance, It is just bloated because there will probably be no repercussions because the hosts were female.
see the post directly above yours. men get away with it and nobody bats an eye but god forbid a woman tries to. it's understandable that some people despise making humor of the circumstances but in today's world they are the vocal minority or more likely looking to pick a fight.
I have not seen the 3 male talk shows hosts that was referred to, if you have a link to their vids or a specific point about what they said then I would look at ALL of the shows with disdain and would want an apology. My specific point is that there are many people that are ignored because the idiots are louder. There are millions like me, who treat all people equally, and don't condone the crude remarks made by Sharon specifically.
TIL: The world is unfair, bad and full of terrible people that don't get what they deserve. Oh wait, I already knew that!
As much as I dislike the behaviour, I don't get why you let it look like it's something "new" or something that never happened before when it is happening everyday. Does it really have to be on TV to get into common interest?
Right now there are kids getting raped, women, and men getting molested and tortured and people getting killed, dying of deseases and hunger. But it's not on TV so you don't care for it, right?
... Do you see what I did there? There are double standards and biases everywhere everytime. The world is full of these, personal preferences and other unfair shit. The world is just neither equal nor fair, not at all. It's just how people work and denying it is senseless since you can't stop doing it even if you tried. Just trying to do it includes some kind of bias and if you go even further you will set a new "double standard".
Yes sure what the woman did was against the law, but thats why we HAVE laws and she gets punished. These women in the tv show are dbags to some people here and they don't like them. Period. End of story.
I just watched the video and it is sick. How can you laugh about a matter like that? Do they not care about how the man feels about himself right now? The double standards with regards to a man doing similar acts to a woman is disgraceful. Bitches be crazy.
This talkshow is obviously for jokes, but still a crime like this is nothing to joke about. Normally I am not one of those ppl that scream "sexism against men, we poor men are repressed everywhere", but these jokes went way too far.
The mans live is destroyed and they joke about it.Thats like joking about female circumcision.
Sure a part of talkshows like this, that a bunch of strong women show fellow women that they can be strong and that they can punish men that treat them bad out of the fact that they are physically stronger. But a file for divorce is normal and endorsing criminal acts can never be ok. This should have consequences, at least that they apologize officially.
But Leah Remini is right, there is one case where I never would hate on a woman that cuts of a mans penis.
On July 26 2011 12:57 BlackJack wrote: Pretty sure every morning radio show talked about this news story in a jokingly away, at least the one I listened to did. Not really a controversy but props to Darlene for keeping it real
While I wasn't offended, what they were doing is the equivalent of joking about somebody being raped, and then excusing it as OK because hes a man. Infact I even think what she did was a worse crime than rape in my books. Some things just shouldn't be taken lightheartedly.
aggravated mayhem is a pretty serious crime, it's a life sentence for a reason. Any crime that serious is no joke. i mean what other crime can u think of with a life sentence? even some murder charges aren't life sentence. i'm sure the women on the talk had no idea the gravity of the crime they are joking about. the woman equivalent isn't even rape. its more like... if the man caught her cheating and decided to rape the girl with a knife, causing permanent damage or some other gruesome shi* like that
I guess I kinda see your problem here but I don't really mind.
The thing is that I easily see Colbert or another late night personality make an elaborate joke out of the guy who got his penis cut off. But if he would make a joke about a woman that got mutilated then he'd be in all kinds of trouble. That's why The Daily Show brings on their "woman correspondent" for certain topics.
To me this is a topic similar to racism. I don't mind mildly racist jokes as long as no party involved takes offense (like among friends who are of a different race) but as soon as even one person involved is even a bit serious about what gets said, it get's problematic fast. But making it a complete taboo just creates a bigger divide in my opinion.
edit: also wtf is with everybody saying that not even a man should make a joke about this? I understand that you demand some political correctness from TV personalities but comedians have been saying a lot less PC stuff. Plus who here doesn't see telling this story to some friends and one of them making a joke about it? You wouldn't be all offended by him, would you?
edit2: lol, that's weird that they make fun of a guy getting mutilated but they can't get themselves to say the word "rape" what's up with that? I guess they have editorial guidance to not talk about rape. But most of them do realize even during the joking that they probably shouldn't make fun of the poor fella.
On July 26 2011 15:19 EternaL_9 wrote: Sexism at it's finest
but no one gives a shit because we're guys
god
i hate females.
I like how someone else put it, if a man did something similar to a woman NO ONE would laugh..
I'm thinking some group of guys should see this, make a show and report some assault happening to a women and then sit around and laugh like a bunch of jerk offs, THEN point to this exact clip and say "Now you know how we feel yo"
EDIT: I also wanted to say how I sympathize for this man, and I'm not even the type to be sympathetic at all. Losing your only friend you can trust (not the woman, I mean the penis) is a sad thing indeed.
On July 26 2011 19:16 untilMay wrote: EDIT: I also wanted to say how I sympathize for this man, and I'm not even the type to be sympathetic at all. Losing your only friend you can trust (not the woman, I mean the penis) is a sad thing indeed.
I don't trust my penis one bit. He's got me into some awkward situations plus he's always a dick
why do the women in the video laugh?there is NOTHING funny about it, should men laugh when girls get raped? wtf...........im pretty pissed now, this thread/video officially ruined my day,.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
On July 26 2011 19:22 LazerApe wrote: why do the women in the video laugh?there is NOTHING funny about it, should men laugh when girls get raped? wtf...........im pretty pissed now, this thread/video officially ruined my day,.
Well that video won't make me feel bad the next time I let out a chuckle when some girl gets raped/killed/abused.
On July 26 2011 19:22 LazerApe wrote: why do the women in the video laugh?there is NOTHING funny about it, should men laugh when girls get raped? wtf...........im pretty pissed now, this thread/video officially ruined my day,.
Well that video won't make me feel bad the next time I let out a chuckle when some girl gets raped/killed/abused.
Btw. We need a name for guys who stand up for mens rights. So the opposite to feminist would be a "masculinist"? doesn't sound right. Well they can be equally annoying.
I'm of the opinion that you can make fun of basically everything as long as everyone agrees underneath the jokes on the morally wright thing. I don't know the show or the women talking, so I can't really tell if that is a given here so I'd rather not comment on whether this was wrong or not. On a subjective matter, I didn't find the show very funny...
On July 26 2011 19:44 Shorty90 wrote: I'm of the opinion that you can make fun of basically everything as long as everyone agrees underneath the jokes on the morally wright thing. I don't know the show or the women talking, so I can't really tell if that is a given here so I'd rather not comment on whether this was wrong or not. On a subjective matter, I didn't find the show very funny...
so the massacre in norway could be funny? no, for me somethings can never be funny or appropiate, and this comming from a guy that can have some pretty dark/twisted humour at times.
"The Talk" isn't that just another shitty version of "The View"
I always thought that was just a show for rambling about fashion, celebrities, and gossiping.
I'm not offended because I don't take anything those women say seriously on that show. Wife cutting the husband's penis off is a bit too far though. There has to be some reason for his wife to go that far to cut his penis off over a divorce.... got damn
What would be said if a man mutilated his wife's genitals in similar circumstances? No one would laugh, that's for sure. Hopefully she's away for a while.
I really don't see what the big deal is. For one thing, who the hell cares what Sharon Osbourne says? I'd never even heard of her before this. She's clearly an idiot, as is anyone who actually takes what she has to say seriously. All you're doing by whining about this is increasing her ratings and lending her credibility.
It was just a joke. They don't seriously think that a woman cutting off a man's penis is acceptable, they're just laughing at a ridiculous situation. I honestly react similarly. The act is just so absurd and unfathomable that I can't help but laugh a little bit. I react the same way when I hear about violence towards women.
I laugh at jokes about domestic violence. I'm not really offended by jokes about rape. They're both in poor taste, as is Sharon Osbourne's, but that doesn't mean they can't be funny. Every time I hear some feminist complain about Howard Stern or Don Imus I want to tell her to relax, they're just jokes. It's the same thing here.
My biggest problem with this, though, is that so many people are more outraged that Sharon Osbourne made a joke about it than the fact that it actually happened. Her stupid comments totally overshadow the actual tragedy here. What some stupid woman said on daytime TV is not news.
Pretty much this was all Sharon Osbourne, what the other women did was within bounds.
I think this is just what should be expected from a person like Sharon Osbourne. I think she appears to be uneducated and sexist from the contents of this video, but of course, I don't know her personally.
Also, this was on Letterman too but that bit was quite funny.
Comic about fictional "Dickwolves" = Months of controversy about the insensitivity displayed to rape, a despicable and shameful act that should be shamed and ridiculed as inhumane. Laughing about guy getting his dick cut off = Prime time television that will make the hosts even more ridiculously rich.
On July 26 2011 20:22 RockIronrod wrote: Comic about fictional "Dickwolves" = Months of controversy about the insensitivity displayed to rape, a despicable and shameful act that should be shamed and ridiculed as inhumane. Laughing about guy getting his dick cut off = Prime time television that will make the hosts even more ridiculously rich.
Dumb ass woman on a shitty talk show laughing at a guy getting mutilated, can't say I'm surprised since it was said the show was based on "the view". All those feminist TV programs are weird as hell imo, never understand why any level headed person would enjoy watching them. Hope this crazy ass woman get's life in prison and that shows ratings go even lower then I'm sure they are already (given the fact I watch a lot of television and have never even heard of it).
First the mayor of a Canadian city allows a gay-parade, and then gets called "homophobic" because he didn't attend it ... then this ... and at the end males call me names for saying that the heterosexual white male is being discriminated. What's happening to this world ;(
-2 women showing pictures of their naked 3-year old sons to each other and giggling/laughing about it.
-2 men showing pictures of their naked 3-year old daughters to each other and giggling/laughing about it.
In which scenario do cops get called?
In my country violence/sexism by women gets talked about way too little, it's rapidly on rise. One of the reasons is because cops/law enforcement/courts always sides with women in all things family related. Things, like custody and when resolving domestic situations. It gets annoying.
There's only so many times you can say "That's horrible" on a talk show, and it didn't seem the show moderator was trying to direct the discussion into any interesting direction.
I'm guessing that lady has a habit of trying to inject humor into serious topics, in order to defuse tension. In this particular case the joke wasn't funny enough to justify it to a lot of people, hence the controversy.
that is not funny at all. srsly how would it be if a woman gets raped and everybody laughs about her? thats horrible....shit like that only happens in america (no offence)
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
Men talk about some perverted stuff but not murder/mutilation because it ain't funny.
Yeah, it's frustrating that there are double standards about sexism and what's appropriate, but life goes on. They get a free ticket because we treated women like shit for thousands of years.
You know what they say about the sins of the father...
Remembers me of a motivational about Twilight's moms. Of course, it was not nearly as shocking, but the double-standard sexism behind it was the same. Eye for an eye they said.
The fact that a show like 'The Talk' even exists at all should upset people more than the shit that spews out of Sharon Osborne's mouth... I mean, any show that features her in an opinion-giving role is just insulting their audience.
As for the guy, I think it stops being even remotely funny at the point where the wife destroyed his penis with the garbage disposal. The Bobbitt case was still somewhat funny because he had his penis surgically reattached and he even went on to star in a porno. I have a hard time seeing any positives in this for this poor guy, it's just horrible.
This is f***ing disgusting. I mean seriously who on earth has the right to laugh at a guy who has been mutilated? As people have stated before my post, if the genders were reversed than it would be a completely different story yet women think they have the right to treat men like s**t now? They don't like rape, dont get me wrong I am not condolling rape in anyway but If men were laughing at women getting raped then they would be shunned in this society. This is completely wrong from the woman who comitted the crime and the women laughing at it, mainly sharen osbourne.
On July 26 2011 21:20 Motivate wrote: also, isn't one of those women married to the president/CEO of CBS? don't think complaints will get you anywhere lol
If it does, there's likely to be a repeat performance. trolololol. women can be horrible >.<
Wieners are just funnier than vaginas... I mean, this show is a piece of shit, because I know they wouldn't laugh at anything else that is this level of vulgarity. The show is targeted to housewives, which could be considered the hardest audience to reach with a joke about mutilation, but it shows how sexist the show really is. There is a comical aspect with cutting off wieners and emasculating men, because there aren't thousands of years of history associated with the practice of these things. Personally, I think they should just nut up and tell some vagoo jokes, otherwise stop being unfair. edit: then again they probably do tell vagoo jokes... in which case carry on.
There is a idea that there are good and bad men, fathers of the year and child molestors.
There isent however an idea that there are good and bad women, all women are afterall "good", despite the fact that studies show women abuse men as much as men abuse women, yet if you ask a random person on the street they would laugh at the idea of a man being "abused" i mean that never happens right?
No wonder a record amount of young men today do not wish to get married or be "serious" with a woman other than casual dating, and women think its because we are a bunch of manbabies who love their videogames and sports teams when infact the mens movement has shown men just how brutal the law is towards men and how unfair divorces are.
If you mention "mens movement" in 1995 people would laugh in your face "lol men dont need help", if you mention it today more and more males can actually see what it is really about.
There is no reason why a woman cannot be just as evil as a man, its just that society tries to show them only in a good light, rarely in a bad light. If you watch commercials you will notice dumb men who dont know how to do X, and a beautiful woman will grace him with her presence and fix his problem. Most sitcoms from the 90's and last decade are about dumb fat men and their perfect wives, every episode is the same: man does something stupid, woman has to fix it.
It is only doing harm to everyone in the long run, more and more men resent women and only see them as something to bang and run
What the fuck... Why are they even allowed to talk about this on TV like that, if a man were to beat his wife because of a divorce; he would be in prison for life and people would make a huge deal out of it. Nobody would laugh.
So they are sexist when they joke around. Let's be honest here, lotsa men are sexist/racist/unethical/etc. when they joke around, and those who support that say it's cool bro we just joke around, dont get all fuzzy about it.
Same deal here they just joke around.
What it means however is they can no longer call out men joking around without being hypocritical. So I am being sexist/racist/whatever when I joke around? Sure so are you so shut the f up, you already gave up that argument when you had taht talk.
Personally I'm cool with it, let's have more famous men and women breaking borderes and tabus so we can have more freedom to express ourselves. Sure this talk was unappealing and disgusting but so is a rapejoke and I dont see ppl go nuts everytime someone tells a rapejoke. Except when it's Destiny doing it.
Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
So they are sexist when they joke around. Let's be honest here, lotsa men are sexist/racist/unethical/etc. when they joke around, and those who support that say it's cool bro we just joke around, dont get all fuzzy about it.
Same deal here they just joke around.
No man in history, no stand up comedian, no show has ever made fun of a woman's genitalia being cut off, i dont think you understand the difference between a sexist joke and a "joke" about cutting people up. If you dont see the difference between the 2, then we might aswell have people making fun of kids who get molested and raped, free speech right?
Sure this talk was unappealing and disgusting but so is a rapejoke and I dont see ppl go nuts everytime someone tells a rapejoke
There is a difference between telling a rapejoke on 4chan, Destiny's stream and reddit and then a workplace, school or any other place where -normal- people hang out, if you told rapejoke at a working place you would get fired.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
Sorry bro, but gender double standards don't exist unless women are the victimized party. Clearly.
Not to mention that cutting off a woman's boobs does not extremely limit her ability to reproduce.
Sickening stuff, I'm very disappointed at the media that made jokes about this incident. Needless to say, I gave myself a good fondle to make sure my parts are in tact after reading this.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
So instead of teaching the world not to take offense when men joke around like this, you'd rather forbid women to joke around like this?
That makes sense, lets just forbid everything not all of us are allowed or capable to do. What a great society.
What the? this is sickning really, I'd never laugh when I hear about a woman being mutulated like this so why do others laugh when the same thing happens to a man?
I'll count on it that 99.9% of the people hearing this laugh because of shock instead of actually finding such a thing funny and the other .1% to be bat shit insane and living in a trailer park, alone.
Edit: I take it all back, I did chuckle when I saw this thread above the 'Norways penal system' thread. I'm such a bad person.
I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Oh my god at these reverse racism people. Why so serious? If there are crazy women who misunderstand what feminism mean, or take it too seriously, does it mean that you have to be just as stupid?
oh and btw
Penises are funny, vaginas, atleast in comedic sense, are not. They are just boring. And you cant throw them in the carbage disposal.
I am astonished at how many people here think that this isn't a crime, but instead a joke.
We're talking about the permanent mutilation of a human being combined with the psychological shock of the victim being forced to watch the destruction of an appendage most men hold in high regard.
There are jokes, and then there is inflicting permanent physical and psychological harm on someone.
That is in no way funny, and should not be funny to anyone who has a lick of sense.
I don't find it funny nor offending. I simply don't care. everyone knows what she did was wrong, they're just making a joke of it. nothing wrong with that.
On July 26 2011 22:19 nojok wrote: I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Isn't about genital mutilation, it's about people making fun of genital mutilation.
There would be nothing massively wrong if the did it in their own home, but the point is they didnt, they did it on national TV, which is the unacceptable part. People sitting around with their friends can be as offensive to each other as they like, but when you are leading a broadcast, there are certain guidelines you should follow, and I might be mistaken, but making fun of someone who has been victim to a violent and irreversible crime, be they male or female, is so far past the line its a joke that it was so lightly broadcast.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
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Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
Feminism used to be about making women the equal of men under the law and in the workplace.
Modern feminism however just seems to be about hating and 1 upping men by women who think they are better than men and deserve a free ride because they were born with a vagina. Yet somehow society still supports it...
as much as i hate that cunt Sharon Osbrourne, you gotta let them laugh at it. That way i can laugh at sandwich / pregnant women getting pushed down stairs / bad women drivers / period jokes. Its only a double standard if you dont do shit like that back on their gender.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
On July 26 2011 22:19 nojok wrote: I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Are you retarded? Like mentally handicapped, please do go on, your post was enlightening to say the very least.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
On July 26 2011 22:19 nojok wrote: I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Are you retarded? Like mentally handicapped, please do go on, your post was enlightening to say the very least.
What bullshit.
What exactly is your problem with her reasoning? Women are on average more suppressed if you take into account Africa and the Islamic world. And nurses do work in a high stress environment. In those environments it helps a lot to dispel tension by making jokes. I'm pretty sure surgeons also make all kinds of jokes when they are among themselves.
On July 26 2011 22:19 nojok wrote: I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Are you retarded? Like mentally handicapped, please do go on, your post was enlightening to say the very least.
What bullshit.
What exactly is your problem with her reasoning? Women are on average more suppressed if you take into account Africa and the Islamic world. And nurses do work in a high stress environment. In those environments it helps a lot to dispel tension by making jokes. I'm pretty sure surgeons also make all kinds of jokes when they are among themselves.
CBS is not in Africa or an Islamic nation, it's US national television.
Yes, you cannot say certain (MANY) things on US TV.
If those were men they would be fired with an HOUR of saying that.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
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Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
Uh, no? Because it isnt rational. We're talking about feelings and jokes, not about a math problem.
Women are weaker than men, and they're usually the ones victims to these sort of crimes, along with rape and so on. And i feel that it would be way worse to joke about that.
Women and men dont need to have the exact same norms and standards. I'm not offended by this, but i could see why some women would be if they were talking about a woman. It's all about not offending people, and it has nothing to do with what is rational and what isnt.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
not sure whether i should complain or not lulz.. since sure there just having fun, and if they wern't in a group..like say if they were reading it in a newspaper, i doubt they'll laugh and actually have some decency. or not? i dont know them to well, i dont watch the show regularly =.=
it is pretty sad though, as from wat ive heard and read about the story the man did nothing wrong at all.. god i bet that hurt =/
yeah fun is always had by men when female circumcision is discussed jovially as it often is in daytime tv. this is just sickening, let's hope there aren't any copycougars
The whole act of doing that is terrifying. I cannot believe some people are that sadistic. I think a lot of men are scared of that happening to them at least a little. I sure am. I dont find it funny at all and I agree that if it were a man who commited a similar act to a woman, they wouldn't find it so funny. Fuck sharon osbourne.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
Ok, you got me. Lets try to not overreact to some jokes that are maybe immature (haha, they said penis...) and maybe not funny to every man that loves his dick and feels with the victim. Lets try not to take that unimportant stuff too serious.
On July 26 2011 14:39 ToxNub wrote: as if, lol. yeah i'm sure this guy was watching the view at the time and I'm sure those comments will require extensive therapy, because he religiously trusts all jokes as fact. give me a fucking break
nobody got hurt by this show. in fact, you're all exploiting this poor guy to ride your whiny little man-crusade about how life gave you a raw deal because you cant make rape jokes on national tv. boo-hoo, this is such an annoying situation you encounter regularly, every day on your national tv show.
Another news flash, for those who haven't noticed, is that the ratio of female rape to penis-dismemberment are about 1million to 1. Which is a real problem and which is not? A joke at the expense of one guy is one thing, a joke at the expense of 40% of the population is another. But fuck it, make a rape joke anyway. You've got your female counterparts ready, amirite? The two of you can get together and bitch each other to death for all I care.
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Hilarious, but also, extremely damaging to my faith in humanity.
I had to turn off the video, how the fuck do they think that is a justifiable response in any sense. It's just sick, do they need a picture to understand what she did to her husband? Feel sorry for him, but certainly understand why he was asking for a divorce...
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
On July 26 2011 22:19 nojok wrote: I find this story fun. How many posts on TL about thousand of women who get their clit cut for stupid religion reasons? Do you really think it's easier to be a woman in our world? No, it's WAAAAAAAAY harder! It's actually fun because it is surprising, humour is based on this. You should not hear to nurses in hospital, even if they take care really well of patients, the jokes are sometimes very hardcore during the break.
We can joke about everything but not with everybody.
Are you retarded? Like mentally handicapped, please do go on, your post was enlightening to say the very least.
What bullshit.
What exactly is your problem with her reasoning? Women are on average more suppressed if you take into account Africa and the Islamic world. And nurses do work in a high stress environment. In those environments it helps a lot to dispel tension by making jokes. I'm pretty sure surgeons also make all kinds of jokes when they are among themselves.
CBS is not in Africa or an Islamic nation, it's US national television.
Yes, you cannot say certain (MANY) things on US TV.
If those were men they would be fired with an HOUR of saying that.
Well I took her saying "our world" as in "our planet" and I wasn't commenting on her opinion about the "story".
I'd say the conversation they had wasn't politically correct as such wasn't really suited for television.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
Well played yes, but meaningless. It's not what the women are saying, its the Forum they are using. E.G: "I went to a boxing match and these two guys were fine pugalists" is acceptable "I went to a Tiddly-Winks match and these two guys were kicking the shit out of each other" is not acceptable Getting offended by Jimmy Carr in one of his videos is the equivalent of " I went to a Boxing match and these two guys were beating the shit out of each other, I wasnt expecting that, I am now offended"
These shows fucking sicken men, we have one in England, they're so fucking sexist all they do is wine about men all day, yet if it was the other way around it would be sexist and the police would be called instantly, fucking joke.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
On July 26 2011 23:46 KryptoStorm wrote: These shows fucking sicken men, we have one in England, they're so fucking sexist all they do is wine about men all day, yet if it was the other way around it would be sexist and the police would be called instantly, fucking joke.
Dude you write this on a forum, where whenever a girlis shown on a sc2 livestream there are 50 "better make me a sandwich" jokes instantly in the livechat (and the sandwich jokes are the harmless ones)
Obvious sexism due to the fact if the same was said of a woman nobody would laugh, in fact they'd be shocked and you'd get all kinds of labels.. They should be called out on it, as someone else in this thread mentioned double standards only exist because we let them.
What sort of sentence is she looking at? I'm hoping a lifetime in a psychiatric institution, you can't do this shit, poisoning him with Cyanide would have probably been more humane.
On July 26 2011 23:46 KryptoStorm wrote: These shows fucking sicken men, we have one in England, they're so fucking sexist all they do is wine about men all day, yet if it was the other way around it would be sexist and the police would be called instantly, fucking joke.
Dude you write this on a forum, where whenever a girlis shown on a sc2 livestream there are 50 "better make me a sandwich" jokes instantly in the livechat (and the sandwich jokes are the harmless ones)
That's totally equivalent to enormous divorce settlements and all the sexual harassment bullshit that denies men their rightful right to find a mate.
On July 26 2011 23:46 KryptoStorm wrote: These shows fucking sicken men, we have one in England, they're so fucking sexist all they do is wine about men all day, yet if it was the other way around it would be sexist and the police would be called instantly, fucking joke.
Dude you write this on a forum, where whenever a girlis shown on a sc2 livestream there are 50 "better make me a sandwich" jokes instantly in the livechat (and the sandwich jokes are the harmless ones)
The difference is people don't get paid to be in chatrooms, so obviously the standards are lower. And by lower I mean non-existent.
It's not even the fact that there were jokes made, it's how they went about making the jokes. Sharon had many maneuvers that resembled a jig-of-joy being danced at the sound of a man losing his penis. "That'll teach him, she says."
Lets think of some other "jokes" said on mainstream television, and their repercussions: Tiger Woods should be lynched...that lady was humiliated and fired. WNBA casters talking about how the girls had nappy hair and looked like men...humiliated and relocated..
Those were just someone speaking into a microphone and you can't even see how "joyful" they are about their joke. But Sharon is bouncing up and down in her chair while the other co-casters stifle their laughter and barely coherently speak the words on the teleprompter in front of them.
It's one thing to mention jokes on the internet or things men say about women, or jokes said in private or by a stand-up comedian or on a movie but these circumstances aren't the same. The internet is not PUBLIC TELEVISION, the jokes said by nurses IN PRIVATE are not on PUBLIC TELEVISION, you pay to watch a movie or a comedian knowing there will be questionable material, that's why shows are rated for viewing purposes. This show was broadcasting to millions I'm sure, and they made a joke at the expense of a man losing his entire existence. Think about losing your breasts, at least you have a second opportunity to feel the greatest pleasures of life, but imagine how you'd feel walking around with your chest as flat as your back and that doesn't even measure up. WIthout a penis, a man cannot have a family, a man has a hard time going pee, he can't rub it up against hard things to feel the pressure....just the pressure. Some of us may be sick and/or twisted, but that's the nature of men. The nature of women isn't to cut off our penis. If all women were able to cut off our penises when they wanted, none of us would have a penis and the world would end. THINK ABOUT THAT ONE.
It doesn't matter what kind of things he SAID to this women, or what reasons he gave for wanting a divorce...this woman is psychologically insane for taking the issue to this level, and shame on the hosts for laughing at this man. If these women don't face some probationary action and have to publicly apologize to the man, I'll be greatly surprised.
shit, I just remembered: This guy better not be a Jew or Christian for that matter.
Deturonomy (can't remember chapter or verse exactly): "No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the Lord"
Sorry if that's offensive... : /
But quite honestly though, I'm not saying this doesn't suck for everybody involved, but let's not act like this is a huge national plague sweeping across. It's an isolated incident, it's terrible, but it's not exactly 9/11. Again, apologies if I come off as an asshole. Condolences to that guy's manhood.
On July 27 2011 00:23 zachMEISTER wrote: It's not even the fact that there were jokes made, it's how they went about making the jokes. Sharon had many maneuvers that resembled a jig-of-joy being danced at the sound of a man losing his penis. "That'll teach him, she says."
I actually think Sharon is the best one there. She has a reputation to uphold and she was most reserved considering. It's the rest of them who act sane and yet cant contain their joy(including the audience) who are to take majority of the blame. Mini-breiviks with a more civil outlet for their violent aspirations(http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/).
On July 26 2011 23:46 KryptoStorm wrote: These shows fucking sicken men, we have one in England, they're so fucking sexist all they do is wine about men all day, yet if it was the other way around it would be sexist and the police would be called instantly, fucking joke.
Dude you write this on a forum, where whenever a girlis shown on a sc2 livestream there are 50 "better make me a sandwich" jokes instantly in the livechat (and the sandwich jokes are the harmless ones)
The difference is people don't get paid to be in chatrooms, so obviously the standards are lower. And by lower I mean non-existent.
The standards are that the girls gain undeserved popularity because of them being girls. Don't tell me they are crying over sandwich comments on their way to the bank.
On July 26 2011 21:56 Schwopzi wrote: Eh how are people upset by this? Some random people make jokes about dicks being cut off (and to be honest LOL at the thought of a penis spinning circles in a garbage disposer, totally should be used in some horror flick), big deal. Jokes are made about everything, from childrape to mass murder. Man up and let it be, if you're going to be whining about this what is it you're aiming for? Don't you hate those people trying to censor southpark/family guy/insertcontroversialshowcomedianwhateverhere?
Please show me an episode in which a talk show host jokes about 9/11 or the Oslo incident? And not a cartoon, show me a video of someone actually making fun of mass murder.
That video shows many of the things that's wrong with media today, making entertainment out of others tragedys. This is more serious than wife-beating but no-one is laughing about that? Very disgusting video tbh. Poor man, can't imagine the pain and humiliation.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
Uh, no? Because it isnt rational. We're talking about feelings and jokes, not about a math problem.
Women are weaker than men, and they're usually the ones victims to these sort of crimes, along with rape and so on. And i feel that it would be way worse to joke about that.
Women and men dont need to have the exact same norms and standards. I'm not offended by this, but i could see why some women would be if they were talking about a woman. It's all about not offending people, and it has nothing to do with what is rational and what isnt.
By your standards somebody could just "feel offended" by anything and all over a sudden this would be a problem. Rationality is the only way we can actually decide whether something is acceptable to joke about publicly or not. How could it be otherwise? I bet had the same woman amputated an arm of the guy, nobody would find an "at least he can still become a one-armed bandit"-joke fit for television. I don't see why this assessment should change in case of the penis. Do you?
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Wtf, were you raised by a single mom or something that instilled some weird notion that women are defenseless creatures that should be pampered? I don't understand how any guy could say this. This is a case of a 50 year old man being drugged, tied up, and his dick cut off by his wife. Joking about that isn't "better" than joking about it happening to a woman just because women might get raped more than guys.
What happened to that man is the equivalent of any female being mutilated and is even far worse than rape. This guy is not just a "male", he's an individual person who underwent physical and psychological torture at the hands of his insane spouse. I'm sure he wasn't considering gender roles when he watched his dick being cut off. This thread was made because how extremely tasteless these women were on their little feminist talkshow, the same way this thread would have been made if it was a female's situation being mocked by men on CBS.
But people like you will come and make light of the situation. Some guys actually care about shit like this because it IS extremely retarded to do this on national television. We are tired of America's media obviously becoming more and more feminist, from all the retarded family shows about the bumbling husband and witty, beautiful wife, all the cute little insurance commercials about the husband picking his nose while his wife negotiates smartly, etc. Women having been the "lesser gender" in the past is no excuse whatsoever for treating men the same way. There probably won't even be a repercussion to what they did but if you say "nappyheaded" about some girls your career is over.
- The crime itself disgusts me, and I couldn't possibly find it funny in any way. The following thought has little to do with the actual crime, as opposed to the levity in which it was approached and my reaction to it.
- I'm not offended by what these women said.
+The worst offender was Sharon Osbourne. How do you not expect this from her?
+Leah Remini implied it would only be understandable to even think about it as vengeance for rape.
+Another cast member pointed out how sexist they were being.
+It's something I would expect these kinds of women to do on a talk show. I don't have the capacity to be upset over actions I consider them predisposed to do.
+It isn't the same thing as assaulting or mutilating a woman in my eyes. Men and women are different. Maybe it's some misplaced sense of chivalry, but I can't lie and say that an assault on a woman doesn't disturb me more on an instinctual level, even if in a perfectly politically correct world they should be considered one in the same. I got over the whole equal rights vs. special treatment thing when I grew up; a woman hitting a man doesn't bother me, but a man hitting a woman does; magnify the grotesqueness of the situation, and both disturb me, but there is still a small discrepancy between the two cases.
Reverse the situation. 5 dudes on a talk show. Reveal story about a man who drugged his wife, tied her up and removed her genitalia. He then proceeds to throw it in the trash disposal.
It seems unfathomable to me that 5 dudes could then laugh and joke about that for 4 minutes on national television. I.e (Haha could you imagine that thing just wizzing around in there, hurr hurr it would be hysterical)
Is this because of gender, or is it simply dependent on the personality of the talk show hosts that make fun of this. I just can't fathom it...
What are they going to laugh about next? The Norway incident?
On July 27 2011 01:08 SetStndbySmn wrote: - The crime itself disgusts me, and I couldn't possibly find it funny in any way. The following thought has little to do with the actual crime, as opposed to the levity in which it was approached and my reaction to it.
- I'm not offended by what these women said.
+The worst offender was Sharon Osbourne. How do you not expect this from her?
+Leah Remini implied it would only be understandable to even think about it as vengeance for rape.
+Another cast member pointed out how sexist they were being.
+It's something I would expect these kinds of women to do on a talk show. I don't have the capacity to be upset over actions I consider them predisposed to do.
+It isn't the same thing as assaulting or mutilating a woman in my eyes. Men and women are different. Maybe it's some misplaced sense of chivalry, but I can't lie and say that an assault on a woman doesn't disturb me more on an instinctual level, even if in a perfectly politically correct world they should be considered one in the same. I got over the whole equal rights vs. special treatment thing when I grew up; a woman hitting a man doesn't bother me, but a man hitting a woman does; magnify the grotesqueness of the situation, and both disturb me, but there is still a small discrepancy between the two cases.
The problem I have with this sense of, "men and women are different so the situation has to be regarded differently" is that it creates an imbalance in the way of, women having claim to the advantages of equality but not to the disadvantages.
Essentially, if you state these fundamental differences between men and women as a reasoning for events to be considered differently, I would expect you to follow some of the beliefs of decades past in regards to gender roles, but with modern feminism, that's less and less the case. If assault between genders aren't considered equal, particularly in such an extreme case, then why should other standards be maintained for equality? I don't think it's wrong at all to hold men and women to the same exact standards otherwise I feel society ends up leaning towards being matriarchal or patriarchal.
I don't believe I can type anything hear that you haven't read before. The attitude of those women on "The Talk" regarding the Catherine Kieu Becker case was absolutely disgusting. I was SHOCKED to see that. It's not hard to imagine it being harmless sexism one day to eventually warping the minds of women so that sexism is the default. Yeah, men are not exactly historically innocent of that, but that is not the point. I love feminism, insofar as the promotion of feminine rights. We deserve to be equal, but if people start laughing at the slicing off of a man's penis that's NOT equal and every now and then some woman some where might think "hey, I can get away with it in the eyes of the public".
I'm not satisfied with The Talk, it seems a lot like another time when a person said hey lets go broadcast a bunch of completely wrong opinions to people who adore us. Yeah, comparing The Talk to Nuremburg is a bit far fetched... Then again, I used to think that the idea of a crowd laughing at a penis being sliced off was far fetched.
On July 27 2011 01:09 TheDougler wrote: Yeah guys, I agree.
That's fucked.
"I don't know WHY he filed for divorce"
WELL MAYBE BECAUSE SHE'S A CRAZY PSYCHO BITCH!?
Jesus that poor guy...
I wonder with modern surgery and medicine if it is possible to restore it....
So wait... he would have to walk around with a bag and a needle in his crotch to be able to piss now ?
I don't even know if I could live like that.
In ancient China, we had a occupation called eunuch, They were the Emperor's mistress' servants and because Emperor didn't want them fucking his women he took all their penis away. so when they go to the bathroom they use a straw.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Wtf, were you raised by a single mom or something that instilled some weird notion that women are defenseless creatures that should be pampered? I don't understand how any guy could say this. This is a case of a 50 year old man being drugged, tied up, and his dick cut off by his wife. Joking about that isn't "better" than joking about it happening to a woman just because women might get raped more than guys.
What happened to that man is the equivalent of any female being mutilated and is even far worse than rape. This guy is not just a "male", he's an individual person who underwent physical and psychological torture at the hands of his insane spouse. I'm sure he wasn't considering gender roles when he watched his dick being cut off. This thread was made because how extremely tasteless these women were on their little feminist talkshow, the same way this thread would have been made if it was a female's situation being mocked by men on CBS.
But people like you will come and make light of the situation. Some guys actually care about shit like this because it IS extremely retarded to do this on national television. We are tired of America's media obviously becoming more and more feminist, from all the retarded family shows about the bumbling husband and witty, beautiful wife, all the cute little insurance commercials about the husband picking his nose while his wife negotiates smartly, etc. Women having been the "lesser gender" in the past is no excuse whatsoever for treating men the same way. There probably won't even be a repercussion to what they did but if you say "nappyheaded" about some girls your career is over.
I was not offended by this. I dont care if you cant make this joke about women but you can make it about men.
Lots of comedians have said FAR worse things, and there is nothing wrong with that. Because it's a JOKE. It's like basic humor 101. If you get offended by a joke then ignore it, dont whine about it! What i said is that i think the joke would be far more offensive had it been a women who had got her genitalia cut off. I think most people would agree to that. Even though it's not "rational" or whatever.
However, i dont mind either joke. I dont care if someone makes a joke when this happens to a woman. It'd be far more offensive, but it's still just a joke.
Who gives a shit about equality for stuff that doesnt affect anyone at all? It's just words. Equality is about jobs, rights etc. Not about whether i can make a sandwich or a he-doesnt-have-a-penis joke.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
Uh, no? Because it isnt rational. We're talking about feelings and jokes, not about a math problem.
Women are weaker than men, and they're usually the ones victims to these sort of crimes, along with rape and so on. And i feel that it would be way worse to joke about that.
Women and men dont need to have the exact same norms and standards. I'm not offended by this, but i could see why some women would be if they were talking about a woman. It's all about not offending people, and it has nothing to do with what is rational and what isnt.
By your standards somebody could just "feel offended" by anything and all over a sudden this would be a problem. Rationality is the only way we can actually decide whether something is acceptable to joke about publicly or not. How could it be otherwise? I bet had the same woman amputated an arm of the guy, nobody would find an "at least he can still become a one-armed bandit"-joke fit for television. I don't see why this assessment should change in case of the penis. Do you?
I think any joke is fine. There is no problem. All i said was that i could see how a woman would be more offended had it been a joke about a women, and i too would agree that it would be more offensive.
But being offensive is what the joke's all about. And i feel kinda embarassed that us guys cant even handle a simple joke. I thought it was only feminists who got upset about irrelevant stuff, but apparently guys do too.
On July 27 2011 01:08 SetStndbySmn wrote: - The crime itself disgusts me, and I couldn't possibly find it funny in any way. The following thought has little to do with the actual crime, as opposed to the levity in which it was approached and my reaction to it.
- I'm not offended by what these women said.
+The worst offender was Sharon Osbourne. How do you not expect this from her?
+Leah Remini implied it would only be understandable to even think about it as vengeance for rape.
+Another cast member pointed out how sexist they were being.
+It's something I would expect these kinds of women to do on a talk show. I don't have the capacity to be upset over actions I consider them predisposed to do.
+It isn't the same thing as assaulting or mutilating a woman in my eyes. Men and women are different. Maybe it's some misplaced sense of chivalry, but I can't lie and say that an assault on a woman doesn't disturb me more on an instinctual level, even if in a perfectly politically correct world they should be considered one in the same. I got over the whole equal rights vs. special treatment thing when I grew up; a woman hitting a man doesn't bother me, but a man hitting a woman does; magnify the grotesqueness of the situation, and both disturb me, but there is still a small discrepancy between the two cases.
Men and women are physically, and physiologically different yet continually push for "equal treatment." Sure, men rape more women than women rape men, more men beat women than women beat men, but who's to say that were the tables turned, they'd still be the same frail, "we want equal rights" activist that they are? Doubtful.
What gets me is It's when they drop the walls and really put their personalities and moralities on display. These women are in a "position of power", their power is having a sway on the millions of spineless individuals who watch this show and gavel at every word. So, when they act as distasteful as they did, there should be repercussions, no matter the circumstances of their distastefulness. Many, many times on TV casters and reporters have been punished and chastised for their conduct and words towards a group or individual, these women should be treated no differently.
Lots of comedians have said FAR worse things, and there is nothing wrong with that. Because it's a JOKE. It's like basic humor 101. If you get offended by a joke then ignore it, dont whine about it! What i said is that i think the joke would be far more offensive had it been a women who had got her genitalia cut off. I think most people would agree to that. Even though it's not "rational" or whatever.
I think any joke is fine. There is no problem. All i said was that i could see how a woman would be more offended had it been a joke about a women, and i too would agree that it would be more offensive.
But being offensive is what the joke's all about. And i feel kinda embarassed that us guys cant even handle a simple joke. I thought it was only feminists who got upset about irrelevant stuff, but apparently guys do too.
Thing is, this wasn't meant to be a joke. They bring the news and discuss the news, they don't bring the news and make jokes about it. The show puts women in a medial position, letting women run the show. If they can't control themselves long enough to not make a joke, then it's sad. Men don't make jokes about women being raped or mutilated by a man, it's DISTASTEFUL. It has nothing to do with getting offended over a joke. They ALL displayed a lack of moral standards..this man has been scared for life by a psychotic bitch, you shouldn't laugh at his demise...or anyone's demise at that.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Wtf, were you raised by a single mom or something that instilled some weird notion that women are defenseless creatures that should be pampered? I don't understand how any guy could say this. This is a case of a 50 year old man being drugged, tied up, and his dick cut off by his wife. Joking about that isn't "better" than joking about it happening to a woman just because women might get raped more than guys.
What happened to that man is the equivalent of any female being mutilated and is even far worse than rape. This guy is not just a "male", he's an individual person who underwent physical and psychological torture at the hands of his insane spouse. I'm sure he wasn't considering gender roles when he watched his dick being cut off. This thread was made because how extremely tasteless these women were on their little feminist talkshow, the same way this thread would have been made if it was a female's situation being mocked by men on CBS.
But people like you will come and make light of the situation. Some guys actually care about shit like this because it IS extremely retarded to do this on national television. We are tired of America's media obviously becoming more and more feminist, from all the retarded family shows about the bumbling husband and witty, beautiful wife, all the cute little insurance commercials about the husband picking his nose while his wife negotiates smartly, etc. Women having been the "lesser gender" in the past is no excuse whatsoever for treating men the same way. There probably won't even be a repercussion to what they did but if you say "nappyheaded" about some girls your career is over.
I was not offended by this. I dont care if you cant make this joke about women but you can make it about men.
Lots of comedians have said FAR worse things, and there is nothing wrong with that. Because it's a JOKE. It's like basic humor 101. If you get offended by a joke then ignore it, dont whine about it! What i said is that i think the joke would be far more offensive had it been a women who had got her genitalia cut off. I think most people would agree to that. Even though it's not "rational" or whatever.
However, i dont mind either joke. I dont care if someone makes a joke when this happens to a woman. It'd be far more offensive, but it's still just a joke.
Who gives a shit about equality for stuff that doesnt affect anyone at all? It's just words. Equality is about jobs, rights etc. Not about whether i can make a sandwich or a he-doesnt-have-a-penis joke.
I dont get how guys can be this sensitive...
You haven't really made an argument, you've just restated what you stated earlier and then said, "You're sensitive". It doesn't matter if he's offended by this joke, the issue that's relevant is feeling it would be offensive if it were about a women, but is not so because it's a male.
You're basically perpetuating a double standard without even attempting to rationalize it, just saying it's how you feel. There's no argument to be made here, it's just sexism and the perpetuation of a double standard.
This community is quick to find issues about discrimination against men, and tends to be almost obnoxiously vocal about it, but on the other end are imbecilic posts that are basically pure sexism without the realization of what they're perpetuating.
Equivalent would be cracking jokes about a man stabbing a woman vaginally with a knife, after tying her down and drugging her - all because she wanted to divorce him. How would that story have been portrayed by these hosts? I suspect strongly that they wouldn't even identify the exact means that the evil man assaulted the woman in question.
If you can't see how twisted that is, there's no helping you. I have no doubt that there will be a group of people for which this is true.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Wtf, were you raised by a single mom or something that instilled some weird notion that women are defenseless creatures that should be pampered? I don't understand how any guy could say this. This is a case of a 50 year old man being drugged, tied up, and his dick cut off by his wife. Joking about that isn't "better" than joking about it happening to a woman just because women might get raped more than guys.
What happened to that man is the equivalent of any female being mutilated and is even far worse than rape. This guy is not just a "male", he's an individual person who underwent physical and psychological torture at the hands of his insane spouse. I'm sure he wasn't considering gender roles when he watched his dick being cut off. This thread was made because how extremely tasteless these women were on their little feminist talkshow, the same way this thread would have been made if it was a female's situation being mocked by men on CBS.
But people like you will come and make light of the situation. Some guys actually care about shit like this because it IS extremely retarded to do this on national television. We are tired of America's media obviously becoming more and more feminist, from all the retarded family shows about the bumbling husband and witty, beautiful wife, all the cute little insurance commercials about the husband picking his nose while his wife negotiates smartly, etc. Women having been the "lesser gender" in the past is no excuse whatsoever for treating men the same way. There probably won't even be a repercussion to what they did but if you say "nappyheaded" about some girls your career is over.
I was not offended by this. I dont care if you cant make this joke about women but you can make it about men.
Lots of comedians have said FAR worse things, and there is nothing wrong with that. Because it's a JOKE. It's like basic humor 101. If you get offended by a joke then ignore it, dont whine about it! What i said is that i think the joke would be far more offensive had it been a women who had got her genitalia cut off. I think most people would agree to that. Even though it's not "rational" or whatever.
However, i dont mind either joke. I dont care if someone makes a joke when this happens to a woman. It'd be far more offensive, but it's still just a joke.
Who gives a shit about equality for stuff that doesnt affect anyone at all? It's just words. Equality is about jobs, rights etc. Not about whether i can make a sandwich or a he-doesnt-have-a-penis joke.
I dont get how guys can be this sensitive...
You haven't really made an argument, you've just restated what you stated earlier and then said, "You're sensitive". It doesn't matter if he's offended by this joke, the issue that's relevant is feeling it would be offensive if it were about a women, but is not so because it's a male.
You're basically perpetuating a double standard without even attempting to rationalize it, just saying it's how you feel. There's no argument to be made here, it's just sexism and the perpetuation of a double standard.
This community is quick to find issues about discrimination against men, and tends to be almost obnoxiously vocal about it, but on the other end are imbecilic posts that are basically pure sexism without the realization of what they're perpetuating.
I'm not rationalizing it because it's not rational.
I dont see an issue with the double standard for men and women. It's not sexist just because men and women arent equal in every right.
Basically my whole argument is that it's not problem that joking about women is viewed as being more offensive. And i also agree that it is indeed more offensive. Why is it more offensive? Because i feel that way, and most people do i believe.
If more people feel offended then it's more offensive. End of story. And more people feel offended by a joke about a woman. It's not rational, but people shouldnt even be offended in the first place.
Totally disgusting. The double standards on that show are appauling too, at least one of them had the decency to point out how bad it was. Talk about equal rights for women... I think it's gone way beyond "equal rights" in some areas. I also hope the dude gets some sort of replacement as long as it's not something silly like in Space Truckers.
and this is why i will always refer to women as bitches. The ozbourne woman really was the true crazy one though in that group and instigated a lot of the joking. What do you expect from her lot. Props to the one bitch who stood up for the bros.
Leno can make cruel jokes about it and nobody bats an eye but sharon osbourne jokes about it and everyone is up in arms?
we've socially accepted male genital mutilation as comedic in nature as evidenced by the million+ view youtube clips of people being hit in the nuts. i'll believe otherwise if someone can find a million view clip of a woman being hit in the genitals and the rest of the comments going LOLOLOL.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
Uh, no? Because it isnt rational. We're talking about feelings and jokes, not about a math problem.
Women are weaker than men, and they're usually the ones victims to these sort of crimes, along with rape and so on. And i feel that it would be way worse to joke about that.
Women and men dont need to have the exact same norms and standards. I'm not offended by this, but i could see why some women would be if they were talking about a woman. It's all about not offending people, and it has nothing to do with what is rational and what isnt.
By your standards somebody could just "feel offended" by anything and all over a sudden this would be a problem. Rationality is the only way we can actually decide whether something is acceptable to joke about publicly or not. How could it be otherwise? I bet had the same woman amputated an arm of the guy, nobody would find an "at least he can still become a one-armed bandit"-joke fit for television. I don't see why this assessment should change in case of the penis. Do you?
I think any joke is fine. There is no problem. All i said was that i could see how a woman would be more offended had it been a joke about a women, and i too would agree that it would be more offensive.
But being offensive is what the joke's all about. And i feel kinda embarassed that us guys cant even handle a simple joke. I thought it was only feminists who got upset about irrelevant stuff, but apparently guys do too.
Well, it certainly seems that "guys" can suck at consistency at times. I don't feel offended at all by the jokes. Why would I? Nonetheless I can use my mental capacity to see that it is inappropriate. No more, no less. And I can see that there is something wrong with somebody who thinks that the fact that it was a man being mutilated makes the joke better (or less bad, or whatever). Be that person a guy or a gal. I also think it's strange that you can feel embarassed about what other "guys" do or don't do, just because you happen to be a guy as well, but then again at least this part seems to fits with your other views...
The woman who did the dick-cutting is a psycho. She mutilated her husband, and should absolutely be punished. This *particular* woman is a crazy bitch, well worth your scathing remarks. What she did is horrible.
The women who make light of it on a trashy daytime television show aimed at uneducated housewives are doing everyone a disservice. But really, Sharon Osborne? Who cares what that spoiled media darling thinks? But no, they should not be joking so much about the very cruel mutilation of another human being.
But some of the comments in this thread, "this is why all women should be called bitches," or, "woe is the plight of men in this country!", are ridiculous.
Rather sick news. The women should be sent to an insane asylum. As for The Talk joking about it, they do have some right to joke about it as they are comedians (whether you think they are funny or not). They are still pushing it tho.
Leno can make cruel jokes about it and nobody bats an eye but sharon osbourne jokes about it and everyone is up in arms?
we've socially accepted male genital mutilation as comedic in nature as evidenced by the million+ view youtube clips of people being hit in the nuts. i'll believe otherwise if someone can find a million view clip of a woman being hit in the genitals and the rest of the comments going LOLOLOL.
Being hit in the nuts is completely different to having them cut off, that's like saying laughing at someone being shot in the head is ok because people get hit over the head in silly youtube videos all the time.
Also if Leno made cruel jokes about it then he's as bad as Sharon.
On July 27 2011 01:08 SetStndbySmn wrote: - The crime itself disgusts me, and I couldn't possibly find it funny in any way. The following thought has little to do with the actual crime, as opposed to the levity in which it was approached and my reaction to it.
- I'm not offended by what these women said.
+The worst offender was Sharon Osbourne. How do you not expect this from her?
+Leah Remini implied it would only be understandable to even think about it as vengeance for rape.
+Another cast member pointed out how sexist they were being.
+It's something I would expect these kinds of women to do on a talk show. I don't have the capacity to be upset over actions I consider them predisposed to do.
+It isn't the same thing as assaulting or mutilating a woman in my eyes. Men and women are different. Maybe it's some misplaced sense of chivalry, but I can't lie and say that an assault on a woman doesn't disturb me more on an instinctual level, even if in a perfectly politically correct world they should be considered one in the same. I got over the whole equal rights vs. special treatment thing when I grew up; a woman hitting a man doesn't bother me, but a man hitting a woman does; magnify the grotesqueness of the situation, and both disturb me, but there is still a small discrepancy between the two cases.
Men and women are physically, and physiologically different yet continually push for "equal treatment." Sure, men rape more women than women rape men, more men beat women than women beat men, but who's to say that were the tables turned, they'd still be the same frail, "we want equal rights" activist that they are? Doubtful.
What gets me is It's when they drop the walls and really put their personalities and moralities on display. These women are in a "position of power", their power is having a sway on the millions of spineless individuals who watch this show and gavel at every word. So, when they act as distasteful as they did, there should be repercussions, no matter the circumstances of their distastefulness. Many, many times on TV casters and reporters have been punished and chastised for their conduct and words towards a group or individual, these women should be treated no differently.
Oh I fully agree. My post is simply my own personal level of offense, in which I purposefully avoided being overly logical over something that is inescapably laced by illogical sentiments (gender comparison). There should be repercussions, and an apology.
I watched the video from that guy. He is pretty hilarious and really right when it came to this show. This is fucking unreal and another example of why I had feminism. They take it to the extreme where they want their cake and want to eat it to. They want to be equal and have special treatment. Doesn't work like that unfortunately.
Leno can make cruel jokes about it and nobody bats an eye but sharon osbourne jokes about it and everyone is up in arms?
we've socially accepted male genital mutilation as comedic in nature as evidenced by the million+ view youtube clips of people being hit in the nuts. i'll believe otherwise if someone can find a million view clip of a woman being hit in the genitals and the rest of the comments going LOLOLOL.
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
As seen in scream Four after the dude got shot in his groin. Basically if you lose your dick your life is over really no point in going on, regardless of whether you you were 9 inches or a measly 4 inches or less you now have nothing ask yourself would like to live on? Would you like to go about living knowing that pretty much on this side of the world everyone knows who you are? Yes I understand that some ppl might but generally those questions and more should be going through your head and more, still I am amazed at amputees and other handicapped ppl for going on they are strong ppl.
However both sides should always be presented for argument and represented well by open minded ppl.
On July 26 2011 14:56 ToxNub wrote: 6 pages of men crying about what 1 woman said on tv means it is apparently a big deal. That's not my call, the evidence is available for all to see.
"Absolutely disgraceful. All of it. " "She's scum" "the talk show is almost just as disturbing as the incident itself." "What a fucking disgrace, any time a women decides to speak of sexism I'll prepare to spit in there face.
What a massive double standard, it's such a fucking disgrace to humanity, not just women that we have such "humour". I am livid, this is actually really upsetting. I'm boycotting sexism. I am going to be an absolute sexist prick, laugh at womens rights forever.
SAYING that its NOT the same, Gahhahahahahahaa Im so fucking mad
fuck these hosts, at least one realized how sexist they're being, to mad to think. Going to bed... "
It's funny you say that I'm the one exaggerating... The irony is so thick it could be cut with a knife.
Ok, so rape jokes are poor taste and 9/11 jokes are poor taste and dead baby jokes are poor taste and whatever. THERE ARE REAL DEAD BABIES YOU KNOW! That's comedy, big deal. Get over it. If somebody made a dead baby joke and you said "that's in poor taste", I wouldn't be posting in this thread. But if you tried to turn it into a crusade about how unfair it is that somebody got away with a dead baby joke, because everytime you made one nobody laughed, I would appropriately judge you to be mentally unfit.
For one thing, nobody thinks dead baby jokes are in good taste anyway, that's why nobody goes on TV and talks about dead babies.
Also, it would be in EXTREMELY poor taste if someone made a dead baby joke about a particular person's situation, like if someone's baby was murdered and if someone on The View said "shouldn't have been a crybaby".
Girl chopped her husbands cock off and she probably lied about abuse and stuff because she according under the trial sub-category she said to the police that he was bad in bed and didnt give her an orgasm. Meaning that she probably lied in my opinion. She got away with it. Good job on equality, I do believe women have more rights than males today seriously.
On July 27 2011 02:17 Haemonculus wrote: The women who make light of it on a trashy daytime television show aimed at uneducated housewives are doing everyone a disservice. But really, Sharon Osborne? Who cares what that spoiled media darling thinks? But no, they should not be joking so much about the very cruel mutilation of another human being.
No one cares much directly about what she thinks, but the fact remains that she influences many others.
Perpetuating the idea that sexual violence against men is okay or even humorous is not a positive effect on society.
If feminists are quick to shut down rape or genital mutilation jokes as things that perpete 'rape culture', then it would be consistent that there is something similarly wrong here.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Wtf, were you raised by a single mom or something that instilled some weird notion that women are defenseless creatures that should be pampered? I don't understand how any guy could say this. This is a case of a 50 year old man being drugged, tied up, and his dick cut off by his wife. Joking about that isn't "better" than joking about it happening to a woman just because women might get raped more than guys.
What happened to that man is the equivalent of any female being mutilated and is even far worse than rape. This guy is not just a "male", he's an individual person who underwent physical and psychological torture at the hands of his insane spouse. I'm sure he wasn't considering gender roles when he watched his dick being cut off. This thread was made because how extremely tasteless these women were on their little feminist talkshow, the same way this thread would have been made if it was a female's situation being mocked by men on CBS.
But people like you will come and make light of the situation. Some guys actually care about shit like this because it IS extremely retarded to do this on national television. We are tired of America's media obviously becoming more and more feminist, from all the retarded family shows about the bumbling husband and witty, beautiful wife, all the cute little insurance commercials about the husband picking his nose while his wife negotiates smartly, etc. Women having been the "lesser gender" in the past is no excuse whatsoever for treating men the same way. There probably won't even be a repercussion to what they did but if you say "nappyheaded" about some girls your career is over.
I was not offended by this. I dont care if you cant make this joke about women but you can make it about men.
Lots of comedians have said FAR worse things, and there is nothing wrong with that. Because it's a JOKE. It's like basic humor 101. If you get offended by a joke then ignore it, dont whine about it! What i said is that i think the joke would be far more offensive had it been a women who had got her genitalia cut off. I think most people would agree to that. Even though it's not "rational" or whatever.
However, i dont mind either joke. I dont care if someone makes a joke when this happens to a woman. It'd be far more offensive, but it's still just a joke.
Who gives a shit about equality for stuff that doesnt affect anyone at all? It's just words. Equality is about jobs, rights etc. Not about whether i can make a sandwich or a he-doesnt-have-a-penis joke.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This this this this this
Couldn't stand those women, just reeked of feminism and arrogance. This isn't something to laugh about, and if it had of been a woman in that situation I could tell that these women would be the ones rioting in the streets if somebody tried to make fun of it.
I can see why some people would find it funny that someones penis got cut off, even though i dont and even though it's very distasteful. However, if it had been a woman in this situation i agree that it would be a lot worse to talk about and makes jokes of.
Because this actually does happen to women a lot. This was just some freak who did this, it pretty much never happens, which is why it's acceptable to joke about it. Joking about the same regarding women is way worse in my opinion. I dont see why that is so weird.
Men and women shouldn't be treated 100% equally. After all, there is a difference. And in this case i dont see why men feel the need to complain. There is a difference between what you can and cant joke about, and while this is on the edge for sure, it would be worse if you joked about the same happening to a woman.
I dont see why anyone even cares about this except maybe the guy who it happened to. It was a joke, stop being pussies about it
Can you explain the rationale behind why it would be worse to joke about it, if the same happened to a woman? I mean if a husband cut off the clitoris of his wife for filing a divorce and then a bunch of guys would joke about it on tv, having one saying "I don't know the actual circumstance, but I think it's fabulous." I mean I get what would be wrong about it, but it escapes me why the same doesn't apply here?
Uh, no? Because it isnt rational. We're talking about feelings and jokes, not about a math problem.
Women are weaker than men, and they're usually the ones victims to these sort of crimes, along with rape and so on. And i feel that it would be way worse to joke about that.
Women and men dont need to have the exact same norms and standards. I'm not offended by this, but i could see why some women would be if they were talking about a woman. It's all about not offending people, and it has nothing to do with what is rational and what isnt.
By your standards somebody could just "feel offended" by anything and all over a sudden this would be a problem. Rationality is the only way we can actually decide whether something is acceptable to joke about publicly or not. How could it be otherwise? I bet had the same woman amputated an arm of the guy, nobody would find an "at least he can still become a one-armed bandit"-joke fit for television. I don't see why this assessment should change in case of the penis. Do you?
I think any joke is fine. There is no problem. All i said was that i could see how a woman would be more offended had it been a joke about a women, and i too would agree that it would be more offensive.
But being offensive is what the joke's all about. And i feel kinda embarassed that us guys cant even handle a simple joke. I thought it was only feminists who got upset about irrelevant stuff, but apparently guys do too.
Who gives a shit if comedians have said worse things? There is a huge difference between talking about something hypothetically and joking about it and laughing about something that ACTUALLY HAPPENED. If someone says they're going to cut their husbands balls off in a humorous, non-threatening way, i.e. just joking around, it's leagues different from a wife actually drugging her husband and chopping off his dick, and then people laughing about it. I never liked Sharon Osbourne and this certainly doesn't help her case.
Its not acceptable to joke about this, this is an extremely tramatic expierance and I dont care who jokes about it:the table or jay leno. They are both wrong.
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
Not to completely derail the topic from it's current trajectory but I want to talk about the actual crime.
First of all, I find this to be a completely disgusting example of premeditated torture. The precision with which the woman committed the crime is a STRONG indication of fairly meticulous planning. The cruelty involved in this act is almost beyond my imagination. It is one thing to severe a person's genitalia, but then to completely destroy it while forcing the person to watch? That is above and beyond even the sickest standards of torture.
I hope that justice is served against this criminal and that she is put away for a long time. Additionally, I hope that she receives some high quality psychiatric care.
As for the victim, I earnestly hope that he has the option of living a semi-normal life after this. I can't imagine the mental trauma he is going through not only because of what happened but because he is still, in fact, married to the woman who tortured him.
On July 27 2011 02:17 Haemonculus wrote: The women who make light of it on a trashy daytime television show aimed at uneducated housewives are doing everyone a disservice. But really, Sharon Osborne? Who cares what that spoiled media darling thinks? But no, they should not be joking so much about the very cruel mutilation of another human being.
No one cares much directly about what she thinks, but the fact remains that she influences many others.
Perpetuating the idea that sexual violence against men is okay or even humorous is not a positive effect on society.
If feminists are quick to shut down rape or genital mutilation jokes as things that perpete 'rape culture', then it would be consistent that there is something similarly wrong here.
And let me reiterate: These women are NOT feminists. These are a few rich spoiled media queens who run a trashy daytime talk show.
Attacking feminism as a movement because of a few crazies would be like me deciding to hate all Christians because I saw the WBC protesting at a funeral. The crazies get the most attention.
edit: And here I am, as an ardent feminist, decrying what that one woman did. She mutilated her husband, and that's seriously fucked up. But people are far too eager to jump on women or feminism as a whole, as if one crazy woman somehow represents all of us.
On July 27 2011 03:39 XerrolAvengerII wrote: That guy is probably on suicide watch...
If I lost my dick I'd want to kill myself too
I'd want to stick around just for the prosthetic penis conversation with a surgeon. Just for the lulz.
Then I devote my life to a greater cause: Stockpiling drugs for the moment I'm no longer the center of attention, stealing a prop plane and going off to find amelia earhart.
Actually that sounds like a good plan without being mutilated first. If this happened to me first I'd get enough drugs to make Hunter S Thompsons ghost smile. Then I'd probably just go on a rampage in the three foot area my wife/ex wife was imprisoned in. Then kill myself.
On July 27 2011 02:17 Haemonculus wrote: The women who make light of it on a trashy daytime television show aimed at uneducated housewives are doing everyone a disservice. But really, Sharon Osborne? Who cares what that spoiled media darling thinks? But no, they should not be joking so much about the very cruel mutilation of another human being.
No one cares much directly about what she thinks, but the fact remains that she influences many others.
Perpetuating the idea that sexual violence against men is okay or even humorous is not a positive effect on society.
If feminists are quick to shut down rape or genital mutilation jokes as things that perpete 'rape culture', then it would be consistent that there is something similarly wrong here.
And let me reiterate: These women are NOT feminists. These are a few rich spoiled media queens who run a trashy daytime talk show.
Attacking feminism as a movement because of a few crazies would be like me deciding to hate all Christians because I saw the WBC protesting at a funeral. The crazies get the most attention.
edit: And here I am, as an ardent feminist, decrying what that one woman did. She mutilated her husband, and that's seriously fucked up. But people are far too eager to jump on women or feminism as a whole, as if one crazy woman somehow represents all of us.
Oh do you really think people complaining in this thread are against feminism as a whole? I seriously doubt that. The point is most people in this thread complaining are totally in favor of emancipation. And this is the feminism you are talking about right? Because I don't think you are in favor of everything beyond that.
The point is that if emancipation is not addressed on all levels, and even those that benefit women, it will never be fully achieved. It is also not only because some crazy women said or did something, but because how it is okay. How it displays a drawback in the society and the state of emancipation. This is not the first case and won't be the last. For me, it definitely is not about this case in particular.
On July 27 2011 03:39 XerrolAvengerII wrote: That guy is probably on suicide watch...
If I lost my dick I'd want to kill myself too
I'd want to stick around just for the prosthetic penis conversation with a surgeon. Just for the lulz.
Then I devote my life to a greater cause: Stockpiling drugs for the moment I'm no longer the center of attention, stealing a prop plane and going off to find amelia earhart.
Actually that sounds like a good plan without being mutilated first. If this happened to me first I'd get enough drugs to make Hunter S Thompsons ghost smile. Then I'd probably just go on a rampage in the three foot area my wife/ex wife was imprisoned in. Then kill myself.
Wait, better plan. I'd go to disneyworld.
Disney World? with or without your dick?
Disney World is great. until you have to go to the bathroom
As people here are saying, the double standard would certainly not be acceptable. Female genital mutilation is no laughing matter, and any guys who would joke about that on a talk show would be put in the hot seat in a second.
This is just not funny. It's disgusting and revolting.
On July 27 2011 03:09 Haemonculus wrote: And let me reiterate: These women are NOT feminists. These are a few rich spoiled media queens who run a trashy daytime talk show.
Attacking feminism as a movement because of a few crazies would be like me deciding to hate all Christians because I saw the WBC protesting at a funeral. The crazies get the most attention.
edit: And here I am, as an ardent feminist, decrying what that one woman did. She mutilated her husband, and that's seriously fucked up. But people are far too eager to jump on women or feminism as a whole, as if one crazy woman somehow represents all of us.
One crazy woman may not represent all feminists, but the fact that several of them are able to claim the title of feminist without facing consternation from feminists is telling.
Christians are quick to disown the WBC when they do stupid shit, and likewise, Republicans (in general) were quick to condemn the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. This serves as the single most reassuring proof that the group does not consider them true members.
Where's the feminist outcry over this? Oh right, probably laughing along if they even cared. If feminists allow people to claim group membership and represent the group in such a way, then it's fair to consider them feminists.
Women wants everything, they want the special treatment we men give to women by default, they want equality, they can joke about men mutilated but we cannot do the same, you give an inch they take a mile
On July 27 2011 03:09 Haemonculus wrote: And let me reiterate: These women are NOT feminists. These are a few rich spoiled media queens who run a trashy daytime talk show.
Attacking feminism as a movement because of a few crazies would be like me deciding to hate all Christians because I saw the WBC protesting at a funeral. The crazies get the most attention.
edit: And here I am, as an ardent feminist, decrying what that one woman did. She mutilated her husband, and that's seriously fucked up. But people are far too eager to jump on women or feminism as a whole, as if one crazy woman somehow represents all of us.
One crazy woman may not represent all feminists, but the fact that several of them are able to claim the title of feminist without facing consternation from feminists is telling.
The gals over at feministe or feministing have lambasted "The View" and "The Talk" plenty in the past.
I'm not sure if any prominent feminist figures have touched this particular story yet, but general consensus within the feminist community is that these shows are garbage and doing more harm to women than good.
On July 27 2011 05:13 Airstrike wrote: Woman should have her tits ripped off and a chainsaw up her vag.
Wouldn't be laughing then.
Well granted the male penis is exterior, vags are interior. a chainsaw in your body would seriously fuck someone up alot more than mutilated penis given the proximity to your vitals and other organs
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
That's right, being aggressive versus me is a great way to show your prowess on the internet, really.
Hypocritism of what? That woman? That show? Ok. Then what? Was that all? Don't be stupid, both you and I know this is a part of a bigger problem where woman demand rights and some of them are stupid enough to do a Bush and go "Either with us or against us!" resulting in alot of guys getting overzealos or caring way to much, trying to disproof feminism and pair it up with stupid idiots like this woman as if they had any sort of relationship.
Woman hating theme? If you've been blind on the internet, then go ahead. Anyone who knows a female knows it is not that simple being a woman doing just about anything on the internet without having hordes of nerds caring one way or the other. Yes, alot of them ask for it and alot of them are attentionwhores or stir up shit (kelly milkies). But most don't. Topics like these, including the SlayerS_Eve, Kelly Milkies = All Womanhood, etc. make for a pisspoor atmosphere for alot of woman. Some have the balls to just tell the haters to fuck off, alot don't. Either way it's stupid to start a topic as if all woman would somehow condone what she did and that sexism is only onesided and ofcourse all woman would want it that way, which ofcourse is a blatant bullshit lie.
EDIT: After reading about 20 posts, why haven't this been closed yet? I'm all for free speech but people writing about how she should get tortured, shot, executed etc. is just being rabid. What purpose does that serve?...
On July 27 2011 05:13 Airstrike wrote: Woman should have her tits ripped off and a chainsaw up her vag.
Wouldn't be laughing then.
Well granted the male penis is exterior, vags are interior. a chainsaw in your body would seriously fuck someone up alot more than mutilated penis given the proximity to your vitals and other organs
and i'd rather be dead then having to watch my penis go through a garbage disposal.
Those hosts should be ashamed. I'm surprised none of them have gotten the sack. If a group of men were all laughing and glorifying mutilation of one's wife they'd be in trouble quick smart. This is fucking disgusting.
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
That's right, being aggressive versus me is a great way to show your prowess on the internet, really.
Hypocritism of what? That woman? That show? Ok. Then what? Was that all? Don't be stupid, both you and I know this is a part of a bigger problem where woman demand rights and some of them are stupid enough to do a Bush and go "Either with us or against us!" resulting in alot of guys getting overzealos or caring way to much, trying to disproof feminism and pair it up with stupid idiots like this woman as if they had any sort of relationship.
Woman hating theme?
If you've been blind on the internet, then go ahead. Anyone who knows a female knows it is not that simple being a woman doing just about anything on the internet without having hordes of nerds caring one way or the other. Yes, alot of them ask for it and alot of them are attentionwhores or stir up shit (kelly milkies). But most don't.
Topics like these, including the SlayerS_Eve, Kelly Milkies = All Womanhood, etc. make for a pisspoor atmosphere for alot of woman. Some have the balls to just tell the haters to fuck off, alot don't. Either way it's stupid to start a topic as if all woman would somehow condone what she did and that sexism is only onesided and ofcourse all woman would want it that way, which ofcourse is a blatant bullshit lie.
EDIT: After reading about 20 posts, why haven't this been closed yet? I'm all for free speech but people writing about how she should get tortured, shot, executed etc. is just being rabid. What purpose does that serve?...
There we go, that's where all this bullshit is rooted from, the connection you drew out of a horses' ass.
How many news articles do you see on the General forum? If you want to post one with a similar act but switched gender roles, so that in your mind you can balance this out, feel free to do so... Otherwise save us the "as if all women condone this", because that's not implied here, you simply inferred it.
You can talk about feminism all day, the fact of the matter, which has been posted at least 30 times in this thread, is that if the roles were switched and any male made a joke or laughed about the incident, that'd be the end of him, that was the purpose of this thread, and any talk like the bolded paragraph i addressed in my first sentence, is beyond the scope of this thread. Surefire way to end this topic is to post irrelevant shit, so keep at it and you'll have your wish.
And yeah, I'm being assertive in rebutting your awful fucking posts, i'm not attacking you in a manner that's off-topic, so spare me the internet-warrior garbage.
Sick way to get publicity for a crappy show. Most likely just a PR stunt. I hope no one is this sick. "Next up, we've invited some people in who lost their unborn child... and then we tell dead baby jokes - cos that's what's funny!"
I feel like the idea around modern feminism has changed in western culture substantially and that the word itself is unnecessary, I simply wouldn't characterize myself as a feminism even though I believe in gender equality because I don't think the western world needs that term associated with that anymore. Just a little side-opinion.
As far equality actually goes, I feel like statements of, "Men and women are different, situations different, yada yada" are problematic because that essentially comes down to "equality" almost always favoring women. I can't really think of a situation where "Well, men and women are different" would favor men, it's basically a way to allow women the advantages of equality while side-stepping the disadvantages.
On July 27 2011 05:19 Haemonculus wrote: The gals over at feministe or feministing have lambasted "The View" and "The Talk" plenty in the past.
I'm not sure if any prominent feminist figures have touched this particular story yet, but general consensus within the feminist community is that these shows are garbage and doing more harm to women than good.
They've lambasted those shows in the past over sexism towards women, but they don't care about this issue because it's sexism towards men. That double standard in how they react is precisely my point..
It's no different from a little while back, when the feminist blogosphere completely failed to care about the 11-year-old boy who was sexually assaulted by three 14-year-old girls. We all know a gender reversal would have elicited outrage.
Though feminists supposedly claim the mantle of gender equality for all, and are (often justifiably) quick to unleash righteous rage when women are victimized, they're strangely quiet when it's men who are the victims.
It's no different from a little while back, when the feminist blogosphere completely failed to care about the 11-year-old boy who was sexually assaulted by three 14-year-old girls. We all know a gender reversal would have elicited outrage.
I agree! Unfortunately, these attitudes remain as if they are somewhat ingrained into people. It's very sad to see people look at genders this way, but even now, there are still people who say "women should stay in the kitchen". Sad, but existent
On July 27 2011 05:16 Blasterion wrote: Women wants everything, they want the special treatment we men give to women by default, they want equality, they can joke about men mutilated but we cannot do the same, you give an inch they take a mile
Maybe the truest words in this forum about the womens' nature.
I dont speak in the behalf of all men and i know that those women are not representing the femenist ways of dealing with the media and maybe not the opinion of the femenists. Like someone here stated before "the femenists think that this kind of shows do harm to femenism". I'll translate this statement to you gentlemen:
"We are infiltrating intellectual fields of the modern men, so we need to behave like them. We need to exclude emotional pumped discussions and we have to work more analytical, without a trace, without radical arguments that can be used by the other side to discredit, colder and behind a veil of the so called equality ideology. Thats why that kind of shows are harming femenism, because they show women in a natural form. Women chit chat, women talk, sometimes too much. Thats a fact, you cant take them too serious all the time and that show is one of millions of indicators. I dont want to derail this thread too much, but in my opinion feminism vs men (or masculinism if that kind of thing even exists) is just a penis measurement competition (and i psychologically used the word penis, think about it). Its about power. Period.
To the incident itself: I really pitty that man. Next to his brain and heart its probably the most important organ to him, and now its gone. His life is not as liveworthy anymore. He will have a big trauma for the rest of his life. He is probably even thinking about suicide. And that just because he wanted a divorce in a free contry. We dont know the reason, maybe we will never know. But we can be sure that the decisions of one individuum, if it wants a divorce, should be respected.
On July 26 2011 13:20 ziggurat wrote: This reminds me of when a bunch of people were getting upset at how gamers use the word "Rape". Yes, it's insensitive to talk that way. Just like it's insensitive to laugh about a guy getting his balls cut off. Basically the same thing. If you think one of these things is ok and the other is wrong then I'd love to hear what the difference is!
Horrible horrible analogy. Guys are not sitting around their computers laughing at specific rape incidents or victims. This is on a whole other level of fucked up.Who the fuck laughs at a victim of abuse and mutilation? These idiots should be fired instantly. I can understand the mindless sheep audience laughing because people are generally stupid enough to just follow whatever stupid thing celebrities do but when the hosts do it it's another thing.
I sincerely hope these shallow brainless women can some day look at what they did on this occasion and understand how utterly unacceptable it is to do something like that on national TV.
On July 27 2011 06:14 Mordiford wrote: I feel like the idea around modern feminism has changed in western culture substantially and that the word itself is unnecessary, I simply wouldn't characterize myself as a feminism even though I believe in gender equality because I don't think the western world needs that term associated with that anymore. Just a little side-opinion.
As far equality actually goes, I feel like statements of, "Men and women are different, situations different, yada yada" are problematic because that essentially comes down to "equality" almost always favoring women. I can't really think of a situation where "Well, men and women are different" would favor men, it's basically a way to allow women the advantages of equality while side-stepping the disadvantages.
I agree with you there 100%
Those woman should look for places where things are not even close as good and fair. Many non western country's still see women as second to a man, with hardly any rights or non at all. In western country's we have a great progress in woman rights why all the hate give it some time and we will have more and more women in leading positions and more and more independence to all women. Not saying woman can not address it, by all means i am all for same chance and same opertunities, keep it an active topic until we can actualy say it is so. But why so much focuses actual hate towards the male counterpart.
This video just makes me sick, this should not be on tv, i doubt these women even know what they talk about, cutting up private parts of either male/female is so wrong in so many ways.
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
That's right, being aggressive versus me is a great way to show your prowess on the internet, really.
Hypocritism of what? That woman? That show? Ok. Then what? Was that all? Don't be stupid, both you and I know this is a part of a bigger problem where woman demand rights and some of them are stupid enough to do a Bush and go "Either with us or against us!" resulting in alot of guys getting overzealos or caring way to much, trying to disproof feminism and pair it up with stupid idiots like this woman as if they had any sort of relationship.
Woman hating theme?
If you've been blind on the internet, then go ahead. Anyone who knows a female knows it is not that simple being a woman doing just about anything on the internet without having hordes of nerds caring one way or the other. Yes, alot of them ask for it and alot of them are attentionwhores or stir up shit (kelly milkies). But most don't.
Topics like these, including the SlayerS_Eve, Kelly Milkies = All Womanhood, etc. make for a pisspoor atmosphere for alot of woman. Some have the balls to just tell the haters to fuck off, alot don't. Either way it's stupid to start a topic as if all woman would somehow condone what she did and that sexism is only onesided and ofcourse all woman would want it that way, which ofcourse is a blatant bullshit lie.
EDIT: After reading about 20 posts, why haven't this been closed yet? I'm all for free speech but people writing about how she should get tortured, shot, executed etc. is just being rabid. What purpose does that serve?...
There we go, that's where all this bullshit is rooted from, the connection you drew out of a horses' ass.
How many news articles do you see on the General forum? If you want to post one with a similar act but switched gender roles, so that in your mind you can balance this out, feel free to do so... Otherwise save us the "as if all women condone this", because that's not implied here, you simply inferred it.
You can talk about feminism all day, the fact of the matter, which has been posted at least 30 times in this thread, is that if the roles were switched and any male made a joke or laughed about the incident, that'd be the end of him, that was the purpose of this thread, and any talk like the bolded paragraph i addressed in my first sentence, is beyond the scope of this thread. Surefire way to end this topic is to post irrelevant shit, so keep at it and you'll have your wish.
And yeah, I'm being assertive in rebutting your awful fucking posts, i'm not attacking you in a manner that's off-topic, so spare me the internet-warrior garbage.
Well after I read that in regards to the first post then yeah you're obviously not having an argument here you're just having a monologue.
Also you're talking without facts, Charle Sheen : Awesome guy, there is a topic about how great he is and his escapades, known to have been beating his wives but nobody gave a shit until he suddenly took coke and told his boss to fuck off... then people suddenly care.
In regards to how the world looks, then no, you're just wrong, sorry I wish it wasn't so but you are and you know it: The number of countries wherein beating/molesting/cutting your wife is considered norm or ok highly outnumber the cases in which a woman has been cheered on for doing something like this.
Also stop swearing and insulting me so much, first of all it removes any authority you might have, it isn't an argument to say someone is an asshole, you're just making an ass out of yourself. I'm not an internet-warrior, but as with any topic where useless hatred/prejudice is spread I voice my opinion in what I think, youknow the purpouse of a forum. Also what are you if I'm an internet-warrior? A internet-counter-warrior-troll? How old are you? I seriously wonder, also have you had or have any longterm relationship with any woman?
Lastly, fuck off with the attitude you asshole, it's the internet, if you can't handle a discussion then fuck off back to 4chan and swear all you want.
EDIT: Also ofcourse I don't care about your relationships. I'm walking away from this topic, nothing for me to gain here. Have fun.
I seriously recommend anybody that reads this thread to complain to the fcc . If you found this as disgusting as I did that they just laughed at the poor man and said that he probably deserved it.
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
That's right, being aggressive versus me is a great way to show your prowess on the internet, really.
Hypocritism of what? That woman? That show? Ok. Then what? Was that all? Don't be stupid, both you and I know this is a part of a bigger problem where woman demand rights and some of them are stupid enough to do a Bush and go "Either with us or against us!" resulting in alot of guys getting overzealos or caring way to much, trying to disproof feminism and pair it up with stupid idiots like this woman as if they had any sort of relationship.
Woman hating theme?
If you've been blind on the internet, then go ahead. Anyone who knows a female knows it is not that simple being a woman doing just about anything on the internet without having hordes of nerds caring one way or the other. Yes, alot of them ask for it and alot of them are attentionwhores or stir up shit (kelly milkies). But most don't.
Topics like these, including the SlayerS_Eve, Kelly Milkies = All Womanhood, etc. make for a pisspoor atmosphere for alot of woman. Some have the balls to just tell the haters to fuck off, alot don't. Either way it's stupid to start a topic as if all woman would somehow condone what she did and that sexism is only onesided and ofcourse all woman would want it that way, which ofcourse is a blatant bullshit lie.
EDIT: After reading about 20 posts, why haven't this been closed yet? I'm all for free speech but people writing about how she should get tortured, shot, executed etc. is just being rabid. What purpose does that serve?...
There we go, that's where all this bullshit is rooted from, the connection you drew out of a horses' ass.
How many news articles do you see on the General forum? If you want to post one with a similar act but switched gender roles, so that in your mind you can balance this out, feel free to do so... Otherwise save us the "as if all women condone this", because that's not implied here, you simply inferred it.
You can talk about feminism all day, the fact of the matter, which has been posted at least 30 times in this thread, is that if the roles were switched and any male made a joke or laughed about the incident, that'd be the end of him, that was the purpose of this thread, and any talk like the bolded paragraph i addressed in my first sentence, is beyond the scope of this thread. Surefire way to end this topic is to post irrelevant shit, so keep at it and you'll have your wish.
And yeah, I'm being assertive in rebutting your awful fucking posts, i'm not attacking you in a manner that's off-topic, so spare me the internet-warrior garbage.
Well after I read that in regards to the first post then yeah you're obviously not having an argument here you're just having a monologue.
Also you're talking without facts, Charle Sheen : Awesome guy, there is a topic about how great he is and his escapades, known to have been beating his wives but nobody gave a shit until he suddenly took coke and told his boss to fuck off... then people suddenly care.
In regards to how the world looks, then no, you're just wrong, sorry I wish it wasn't so but you are and you know it: The number of countries wherein beating/molesting/cutting your wife is considered norm or ok highly outnumber the cases in which a woman has been cheered on for doing something like this.
Also stop swearing and insulting me so much, first of all it removes any authority you might have, it isn't an argument to say someone is an asshole, you're just making an ass out of yourself. I'm not an internet-warrior, but as with any topic where useless hatred/prejudice is spread I voice my opinion in what I think, youknow the purpouse of a forum. Also what are you if I'm an internet-warrior? A internet-counter-warrior-troll? How old are you? I seriously wonder, also have you had or have any longterm relationship with any woman?
Lastly, fuck off with the attitude you asshole, it's the internet, if you can't handle a discussion then fuck off back to 4chan and swear all you want.
EDIT: Also ofcourse I don't care about your relationships. I'm walking away from this topic, nothing for me to gain here. Have fun.
You're quite hilarious as far as your, "Don't cuss at me but fuck you" goes. I personally don't think posts such as that remove any "authority" from the speaker considering it was quite tame and then you responded rather erratically and defensively instead of addressing his message.
If you have an issue with Charlie Sheen being an imbecile, make a thread... Someone had a problem with this and made a thread, what's your argument? It currently makes no sense to me.
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck about these dumb bitches and how they feel about this.
Obviously they are there to have a good time and laughing about some insane crime is meaningless.
Anyone who cares abot these BITCHES opinions and how they feel is just a fucking moron. Nobody gives a fuck about some show, us men we laugh at poor people, we laugh at handicaps, who the fuck are we to care about some female super charged shitty talk show.
Not only did I not care about their comments, the man who got his dick cut off obviously married a crazy ass bitch. And hopefully she will go to jail for a long time.
Feel bad for the guy. But shit bitches get raped, guys get raped, this is just life, people are fucking retarded.
People saying that "they were just making jokes, get over it" need to realize that there's a difference between finding humor in the situation (making you ignorant and immature) and saying "I love it" and calling it "fabulous" (making you an outright misandrist). 4 of the hosts were the former; Sharon Osbourne was the latter.
It made me laugh when the one host pointed out that what they're saying "might be perceived as a bit sexist." Lol.
On July 27 2011 05:40 Rasun wrote: "quite fabulous" is what ill say the day Sharon Osborne gets hit by a car. Mutilation and torture is not funny, I don't care about context.
Her husband has bitten the heads off numerous live animals, of course she finds this kind of stuff funny. I agree though, watching that clip is sad, inappropriate behavior. One of the girls see's it for what it really is (not funny) and the rest just stare off in the distance like they are confused, then they say "well its different".........................................
I didn't really find this sexist per sé as I started watching it. I mean to think that this is a suitable subject for humour in this way is beyond me. In particular the fact that the giggling started from the get go without even a moments pause to think about how gruesome this is, is baffling. And then the redhead even goes on to call it "fabulous".
But when the redhead in the middle at the end explicitly sais it is different, i.e. that this is funny but having the roles reversed would be bad is explicitly sexist.
O well, in the grand scheme of things this is of little to no importance. Now at least we know we don't have to take the opinions of any of these characters seriously on any matter ever, whoever they are. Simply stop watching and the problem will solve itself.
On July 27 2011 02:39 Krehlmar wrote: We need more woman hatred at teamliquid! Really!
Because this woman represents ALL WOMEN everywere! Get your pitchforks and torches everybody !
Seriously close this topic before it gets out of hand. Worthless topic.
EDIT: I'm just tired of this showonistic culture that seems to be breeding at these forums, making a culture homogenic or one-sided in terms of gender appeal is a one way ticket to obscure-dome.
and likewise, a worthless post..
This topic is fine, fairly sure it was made to show a fucking glaring hypocrisy... You want to extract some sort of women hating theme out of it, that's your own fucking problem, not ours.
That's right, being aggressive versus me is a great way to show your prowess on the internet, really.
Hypocritism of what? That woman? That show? Ok. Then what? Was that all? Don't be stupid, both you and I know this is a part of a bigger problem where woman demand rights and some of them are stupid enough to do a Bush and go "Either with us or against us!" resulting in alot of guys getting overzealos or caring way to much, trying to disproof feminism and pair it up with stupid idiots like this woman as if they had any sort of relationship.
Woman hating theme?
If you've been blind on the internet, then go ahead. Anyone who knows a female knows it is not that simple being a woman doing just about anything on the internet without having hordes of nerds caring one way or the other. Yes, alot of them ask for it and alot of them are attentionwhores or stir up shit (kelly milkies). But most don't.
Topics like these, including the SlayerS_Eve, Kelly Milkies = All Womanhood, etc. make for a pisspoor atmosphere for alot of woman. Some have the balls to just tell the haters to fuck off, alot don't. Either way it's stupid to start a topic as if all woman would somehow condone what she did and that sexism is only onesided and ofcourse all woman would want it that way, which ofcourse is a blatant bullshit lie.
EDIT: After reading about 20 posts, why haven't this been closed yet? I'm all for free speech but people writing about how she should get tortured, shot, executed etc. is just being rabid. What purpose does that serve?...
There we go, that's where all this bullshit is rooted from, the connection you drew out of a horses' ass.
How many news articles do you see on the General forum? If you want to post one with a similar act but switched gender roles, so that in your mind you can balance this out, feel free to do so... Otherwise save us the "as if all women condone this", because that's not implied here, you simply inferred it.
You can talk about feminism all day, the fact of the matter, which has been posted at least 30 times in this thread, is that if the roles were switched and any male made a joke or laughed about the incident, that'd be the end of him, that was the purpose of this thread, and any talk like the bolded paragraph i addressed in my first sentence, is beyond the scope of this thread. Surefire way to end this topic is to post irrelevant shit, so keep at it and you'll have your wish.
And yeah, I'm being assertive in rebutting your awful fucking posts, i'm not attacking you in a manner that's off-topic, so spare me the internet-warrior garbage.
Well after I read that in regards to the first post then yeah you're obviously not having an argument here you're just having a monologue.
Also you're talking without facts, Charle Sheen : Awesome guy, there is a topic about how great he is and his escapades, known to have been beating his wives but nobody gave a shit until he suddenly took coke and told his boss to fuck off... then people suddenly care.
In regards to how the world looks, then no, you're just wrong, sorry I wish it wasn't so but you are and you know it: The number of countries wherein beating/molesting/cutting your wife is considered norm or ok highly outnumber the cases in which a woman has been cheered on for doing something like this.
Also stop swearing and insulting me so much, first of all it removes any authority you might have, it isn't an argument to say someone is an asshole, you're just making an ass out of yourself. I'm not an internet-warrior, but as with any topic where useless hatred/prejudice is spread I voice my opinion in what I think, youknow the purpouse of a forum. Also what are you if I'm an internet-warrior? A internet-counter-warrior-troll? How old are you? I seriously wonder, also have you had or have any longterm relationship with any woman?
Lastly, fuck off with the attitude you asshole, it's the internet, if you can't handle a discussion then fuck off back to 4chan and swear all you want.
EDIT: Also ofcourse I don't care about your relationships. I'm walking away from this topic, nothing for me to gain here. Have fun.
I didn't explicitly call you an internet warrior, that was with reference to what you implied I was, but i'm glad you took offence to it , and managed to infer more garbage, like my view on how the world looks,... Stop fucking attacking straw men here.
It's pretty hilarious that you tell me I can't handle a discussion when you're supposedly walking away from this topic.
On July 27 2011 05:13 Airstrike wrote: Woman should have her tits ripped off and a chainsaw up her vag.
Wouldn't be laughing then.
Who would even do that? Would you?
I wonder if Airstrike has ever read 殻の少女 (Girl of the Shell). He reminds me of a character from that novel.
Is the anime anything like the novel (do you mean the visual novel)? Since it is a bit simpler to find the anime than the book.
As for the topic. This isn't appropriate for television. If a group of people find this funny they are welcome to laugh about it in privacy. It is probably a matter of how something is presented that determines if something is funny or not. When you can laugh at dead baby jokes this isn't such a large stretch.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
This,
"It's different though" LOL seriously wtf, this is horrible
Bloody sickening. Literally body just shuddered with disgust.
These woman making a joke out of this. Just utterly disgusting.
If a man ever made "jokes" about cutting a woman's breast off(or any part of her body). I would not be laughing. That's just terrible. I truly hope they apologies.
I feel bad for legit feminists (the reasonable ones who want equality, not double standards). They must facepalm so hard when they see idiots constantly making them look bad.
In some ways today's society is way more sexist towards men.
1. The abuse card is way overplayed in court, like a woman can even plain out lie about abuse and very likely the entire court will side with her in a case even though she is the guilty side.
2. In divorce battles, even if the man can prove the wife cheated and stuff, chance are the woman will get the better end just because this is the way it works!
There are probably way more examples than the 2 I described.
.... overreacting much? They're mostly laughing at the idea of it and just because they find penises funny. I can see some humour in the role reversal / bat shit crazyness of it; I've laughed at worse jokes.
In the UK Frankie Boyle had a sketch show on TV.... if you can laugh at that you can laugh at anything. Just depends how seriously you take life / what your sense of humour is like.
All the comparisons you're making are terrible. Rape etc... is not the same (although there's plenty of jokes about rape).
It's not the laughing at the dick-chop that I find offensive. It's the hypocrisy. The show would be absolutely sympathetic and not making fun at all if the topic was a woman having her genitals mutilated. I'm fine with women making a joke out of a wife cutting her husband's dick off, but don't get angry at dudes laughing at opposite situations. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I'd love to hear a follow story and see what action if any will be taken.. It gets under my skin when things like this go unaccounted for. As if the guy hasn't suffered enough. Can you guys imagine how he will feel when he see's these so called women talk about him and his traumatic experience in such a manner?
I understand they are joking about a serious situation which isn't a bad thing but when taken to that extent and the things that were said are just wrong.
Double standards will always exist but that doesn't give people the right to act that way.
On July 28 2011 07:16 G3CKO wrote: In some ways today's society is way more sexist towards men.
1. The abuse card is way overplayed in court, like a woman can even plain out lie about abuse and very likely the entire court will side with her in a case even though she is the guilty side.
2. In divorce battles, even if the man can prove the wife cheated and stuff, chance are the woman will get the better end just because this is the way it works!
There are probably way more examples than the 2 I described.
Exactly what I think. Women today talk about equality when everything is already good to their side. If a woman got her genitals mutilated everyone out there would say that's a barbarian act. This is not CBS only, the world's "balance" is heavily turning for one side.
As for the incident, I'd kill the woman that did this to me. Time in jail? Worth it.
With this clip, it's the second time I've ever heared a woman suggest cutting it off and feeding it to the dogs. Is there something in the way they are wired that they all have the same twisted ideas?
everyone of those bitches needs a piece of dynamite shoved in there puss and the fuse lit while they watch as there insides get blown the fuck up. i shall laugh and sleep well
On July 28 2011 07:55 Klive5ive wrote: .... overreacting much? They're mostly laughing at the idea of it and just because they find penises funny. I can see some humour in the role reversal / bat shit crazyness of it; I've laughed at worse jokes.
In the UK Frankie Boyle had a sketch show on TV.... if you can laugh at that you can laugh at anything. Just depends how seriously you take life / what your sense of humour is like.
All the comparisons you're making are terrible. Rape etc... is not the same (although there's plenty of jokes about rape).
agree. role reversals or comparing it to rape and dead babies does not work in this situation.
On July 28 2011 07:01 HolyArrow wrote: I feel bad for legit feminists (the reasonable ones who want equality, not double standards). They must facepalm so hard when they see idiots constantly making them look bad.
I agree. The problem, though, is that feminists as a group do not call the idiots out. If you're not willing to condemn those in your group who are out of line, then you implicitly accept any misrepresentations of your group that may result.
On July 28 2011 12:55 Terranist wrote: agree. role reversals or comparing it to rape and dead babies does not work in this situation.
Rape and dead babies might not be good comparisons, but female genital mutilation is spot-on.
Again, men wouldn't dare to laugh at that on national TV, and if they did, feminists would scream for blood until they got pulled from the air.
It's reverse discrimination. Yes they're wrong but as men we can't really retaliate, only complain and hope the point gets across. Anything more and it's a step back.
lodged my complaint. As men we can't just sit here while "power hungry" women make a laughing stock out of men being as sexist as they please.. it feels the same as when black guys can you white trash but you can't say anything back. Yet we are meant to feel equal?
If women expect to be treated equally then don't abuse your power on television for starters.. Female pro tennis players play less matches than men but get paid the same..ppffttttttttt what a joke.
On July 28 2011 07:16 G3CKO wrote: In some ways today's society is way more sexist towards men.
1. The abuse card is way overplayed in court, like a woman can even plain out lie about abuse and very likely the entire court will side with her in a case even though she is the guilty side.
2. In divorce battles, even if the man can prove the wife cheated and stuff, chance are the woman will get the better end just because this is the way it works!
There are probably way more examples than the 2 I described.
Exactly what I think. Women today talk about equality when everything is already good to their side. If a woman got her genitals mutilated everyone out there would say that's a barbarian act. This is not CBS only, the world's "balance" is heavily turning for one side.
As for the incident, I'd kill the woman that did this to me. Time in jail? Worth it.
if you killed that women, you can probably make a strong claim for self-defense or plea for manslaughter.
On July 28 2011 07:01 HolyArrow wrote: I feel bad for legit feminists (the reasonable ones who want equality, not double standards). They must facepalm so hard when they see idiots constantly making them look bad.
I agree. The problem, though, is that feminists as a group do not call the idiots out. If you're not willing to condemn those in your group who are out of line, then you implicitly accept any misrepresentations of your group that may result.
On July 28 2011 12:55 Terranist wrote: agree. role reversals or comparing it to rape and dead babies does not work in this situation.
Rape and dead babies might not be good comparisons, but female genital mutilation is spot-on.
Again, men wouldn't dare to laugh at that on national TV, and if they did, feminists would scream for blood until they got pulled from the air.
Allow me then, since my ban has since finished, to publicly denounce teamliquid and this thread, as not representing men, so that the hypocrisy, sexism, general lack of education, misrepresentation, self-entitlement, oversensitivity, lack of empathy for real problems, selfishness, and innumerable false claims does not apply to myself.
I have to do this, why? It's not my responsibility to be your baby sitter, and while I have tried (and been banned for it), it makes no difference what I denounce. Your positions are not mine, (thank christ). Ignorant people will continue being ignorant, and no amount of political distancing matters in the end.
On July 26 2011 12:56 ziggurat wrote: Why would anyone be upset by this? It's obviously just joking around.
How many people would see it as joking if a bunch of men were sitting around a table and joking about a man that had cut off his wife's boobs and clit because she wanted a divorce?
Doubles standards exist in this world, because we let them. Pointing out hypocrisy is a must.
I do believe you're quoting TheAmazingAtheist, he did a video on it.
On July 29 2011 05:02 RaMto wrote: If women expect to be treated equally then don't abuse your power on television for starters.. Female pro tennis players play less matches than men but get paid the same..ppffttttttttt what a joke.
You don't get to base gender equality on one television show, sorry. Women on the view don't represent women. Good job finding one anecdotal job where women make more than men, and failing to see the irony: they make more because men want to watch them.
On July 28 2011 07:16 G3CKO wrote: In some ways today's society is way more sexist towards men.
1. The abuse card is way overplayed in court, like a woman can even plain out lie about abuse and very likely the entire court will side with her in a case even though she is the guilty side.
2. In divorce battles, even if the man can prove the wife cheated and stuff, chance are the woman will get the better end just because this is the way it works!
There are probably way more examples than the 2 I described.
Exactly what I think. Women today talk about equality when everything is already good to their side. If a woman got her genitals mutilated everyone out there would say that's a barbarian act. This is not CBS only, the world's "balance" is heavily turning for one side.
As for the incident, I'd kill the woman that did this to me. Time in jail? Worth it.
Yes, everyone listen to the man who approves of murder, and thinks he can summarize "women today" as having "everything" "already good". Not only is he saint, but he's also extremely well informed.
Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous. Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous.
I am sorry you have to come to this thread and state what should be obvious to everyone.
Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
Ugh. I was hoping nobody would do this. The last thing we need is a "OH YEAH WELL I HAVE TO SHAVE EVERYDAY" debate about which side has it worse :p
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous.
I am sorry you have to come to this thread and state what should be obvious to everyone.
Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
Ugh. I was hoping nobody would do this. The last thing we need is a "OH YEAH WELL I HAVE TO SHAVE EVERYDAY" debate about which side has it worse :p
Did I say that? No. Im not debating which side has it worse. I am challenging the idea that 4 women on a talk show represent what every female is experiencing
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous. Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
If there's going to be equality among the sexes, then both sides need to work together for that equality. Laughing on nationwide television about how funny it is for a mans penis to not only be chopped off, but also ground up so that man can never have it again isn't helping social equality. It hurts it just as much as what you described above.
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous. Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
If there's going to be equality among the sexes, then both sides need to work together for that equality. Laughing on nationwide television about how funny it is for a mans penis to not only be chopped off, but also ground up so that man can never have it again isn't helping social equality. It hurts it just as much as what you described above.
I completely agree with you, and that is a good point. The point that I was trying to make is that a small group of people does not represent "feminists" as a whole and in no way is reflective of how women feel about that man's misfortune. The wife was very wrong in doing what she did and should be punished regardless
All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
On July 29 2011 06:29 edzwoo wrote: All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
Not sure if troll. In fact what you just said is the reason people are upset.
You cant say sexism talk aside then immediately say something that is sexist.
On July 29 2011 06:29 edzwoo wrote: All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
Not sure if troll. In fact what you just said is the reason people are upset.
You cant say sexism talk aside then immediately say something that is sexist.
I got banned for "trolling" when I disagreed too. Funny how trolling is basically whenever one disagrees with the average joe. The fact is that this crappy tv show is not the final battleground in the war of the sexes. Those on "your side" continue to perpetuate this ridiculous point, which is what this man and myself continue to /boggle over. You mean somebody did something that is not fair? /plain-face
On July 29 2011 06:29 edzwoo wrote: All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
Not sure if troll. In fact what you just said is the reason people are upset.
You cant say sexism talk aside then immediately say something that is sexist.
I got banned for "trolling" when I disagreed too. Funny how trolling is basically whenever one disagrees with the average joe. The fact is that this crappy tv show is not the final battleground in the war of the sexes. Those on "your side" continue to perpetuate this ridiculous point, which is what this man and myself continue to /boggle over. You mean somebody did something that is not fair? /plain-face
/plain-face ????
perpetuate this ridiculous point???? Would you please specify what point in particular is ridiculous?
You got temp banned for this post:
Yep, that's totally it man. That's why you keep repeating the same tired point that I just accused you of repeating, that's completely irrelevant to the topic. Pro-argument mang.
You also said to Leporello "you're strawmanning the most intelligent post in the thread in the process." (refering to Kiangani post). Who actually posted this
Alright I got warned for my last post so I guess I'll say this. This is not news. This is not a discussion topic. There is nothing worthwhile to discuss, because 1. no one should be offended by what some ho on TV thinks is funny. I've laughed at shit that other people probably take pretty seriously, and guess what? No one cared. Because it's not important. Anyone who is offended by a chuckle needs to chill the fuck out
and this shiner within the same quote
Here is the fact of the matter: penises are funny. Vaginas aren't very funny, boobs aren't very funny, fallopian tubes are actually hilarious but that's besides the point. We live in a culture where middle schoolers have a game where they yell penis really loud and laugh. It's called the penis game. And it's funny because you yell penis really loud. See the point I'm making here? It's not funny because a man went through a horrible amount of pain both physical and mental, it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF
What It seems like to me is this: You see the behaviour of the people on 'The Talk' as fine, and in fact enjoyable. While the rest of us who cannot seem to "chill out" see it as sexist and horrible. Worthy of them been taken off the Air. Why do people get so upset? This wasn't just some private conversation. This was television. Watched by millions of people. If it was a private online show. Hardly anyone would get upset.
Next time you want to say "it's funny because his DICK GOT CUT OFF" on day time television to millions of viewers. See how confident you can stand in your views.
And remember this isn't a made up story. This is real life, taking enjoyment out of another persons immense suffering and humiliation doesn't make you a "chill" person. It makes you a disgusting human being.
These are just hack jokes to get some easy laughs. It was nice to see that one woman put a more serious tone to the whole thing, but then Sharon dropped another hack joke, for some easy laughs.
In a world where an actor gets kickbanned from Grey's Anatomy for calling one of his co-actors a faggot in the locker room, I certainly think that Sharon's hack jokes were just as inappropriate. She was the one to egg on the jokes, after that woman from the audience blurted out that the guy deserved it or whatever.
The case itself is very extreme, which makes it seem almost unreal. It has happened before in other countries though. But such a thing is definitely premeditated, as something like a dick doesn't get cut off all that easily (there was this cannibalism story a few years back). If you were 'only' going to kill the guy, at least he wouldn't have to live out his life with extreme traumas. Despicable.
Rape is - in my eyes - quite equivalent to this situation, the only difference being that a woman has to live with mental trauma, not so much the physical. Violating one's private regions as punishment for them violating your own doesn't sound like a long stretch. Taking it off completely is pushing it though :p
I'm not sure where to begin. Between your reading comprehension (hilarious, really, considering the number of posts I have made repeating that same point over and over, Kia too, which you have obviously read), the guilt trip over arguments that aren't mine (this is called a strawman, precisely what the person who replied to Kia was doing), the selective quotes (it's seriously making me rofl all over myself that you took the time to cut out the very same points you are asking me to give you), and then a bunch of fallacious moralist nonsense about how I'm a bad person because I think you're wrong.
I can't be any more clear than I already have. It is endlessly boggling to me that despite all attempts to throw it into your face you can't see past the tip of your own viewpoint to realize there are other arguments in this thread besides what constitutes a tasteful joke.
The reason that female genital mutilation is less okay to laugh at is because it happens so often in other parts of the world and is a serious problem. The same can't be said about males, unless you consider circumcision to be genital mutilation, which most people don't. This is a freak incident and was treated as such, even if it was an insensitive treatment.
Wait are people really calling for a protest? Protest something that matters or just don't watch the show... who's really harmed by these jokes?
I really dislike feminism for a number of reasons but I think some of the men in this thread are committed to the same kind of intellectual tunnel vision
On July 29 2011 05:52 ToxNub wrote: I have to do this, why? It's not my responsibility to be your baby sitter, and while I have tried (and been banned for it), it makes no difference what I denounce. Your positions are not mine, (thank christ). Ignorant people will continue being ignorant, and no amount of political distancing matters in the end.
Why do you think that politicians denounce extremists on their side of the spectrum? Why do you think that religious leaders denounce those who claim to speak for them but don't? Why do you think that scientists denounce quacks who claim they have the support of the scientific community?
Distancing matters with all forms of group membership, political or not. That's a normal part of how we as a society communicate. If you condone extremists in your group, then they will be considered part of your group. If you don't like it, that's cool for you, but that doesn't change the fact that it's how we communicate group membership.
And FYI, being male isn't a voluntarily selected identity like 'feminist' or 'Republican' or 'Muslim', so it's not a parallel as you seem to believe.
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous.
I agree that self-proclaimed feminists displaying misandry on national tv is not evidence of feminism gone awry.
A lack of feminist outcry at this misandry, when they're supposed to stand for gender equality is evidence of feminism gone awry.
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
If you frequent feminist spaces, then you might be familiar with the feminist term "Oppression Olympics". Don't play it. It doesn't matter who has it worse. That doesn't make misogyny or misandry okay, the same way that blacks having it worse than whites doesn't make it okay for proponents of racial equality to support or condone black-on-white violence.
I didn't find any part of this even remotely funny. I was angry, disappointed and shocked by what I saw on that talk show. As it's been said dozens of times, if the roles were reversed and it was a man cutting off his wife's breasts, the world would be crucifying him.
i don't really care that much abou the frivolity with which they're treating it. while i don't agree or find it funny.. the story really makes me wince.. tv shows do this sort of thing all the time.
but yeah, if the story had been about a woman getting a breast cut off, there wouldn't even be enough media in the world to cover how badly they'd be getting reamed for it
On July 29 2011 06:02 aminoashley wrote: Okay, so a bunch of idiots on a talk show laughed at this guys extreme misfortune, which is very wrong and should not be tolerated. BUT saying that this is evidence of feminism gone awry and that women have it oh so easy these days is pretty ridiculous. Being a female in a scientific work setting I can tell you that there are still many people that judge myself and my other female coworkers entirely on our looks and think of us as incapable of doing certain jobs due to our sex.I do not feel as though I have complete equality rather less "the upper hand" as many of you have put it.
I am assuming that most of you saying these things have not lived as a female and thus you cannot speak on behalf of all females and their experiences.
out of pure curiosity ashley, what country are you from?
I'm a female and there's nothing funny about cutting off a man's penis just because he simply filed for divorce. Despite what the reasons were for divorce, there were definitely more humane ways to settle this to show her distaste towards the divorce (obviously). This story is downright outrageous and the women laughing about this is inappropriate.
I understand why women would laugh at this. We laugh at the metaphorical idea but not the literal. It's like when men abuses the word "rape" by saying "raping some noobs" etc etc and find it funny. The idea of cutting off a man's penis is just as funny as the word "rape". Oh, society. How cynical we can be sometimes.
On July 29 2011 06:29 edzwoo wrote: All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
That's the thing. I personally found myself finding it a little humorous that she'd use a waste disposal for that kind of thing. Then I realized how utterly sick it was that I found that funny, and that if I actually tried to picture anything like that happening to me it made me feel physically sick.
It doesn't matter if you find it funny, because as rational beings, we can look at that and realize how wrong it is that we're ingrained with such a violent double standard, and we can recognize that the media, popular culture, etc. is responsible for this, because after all, laughter is a social construct.
The jokes were definately in bad taste and completely insensitive to that man and amyone close to him. However I'm not really offended by it. I think it just shows what times we live in now, where comedians/entertainers try to be as irreverent and politically incorrect as they can get away with.
On July 29 2011 09:22 happyness wrote: The jokes were definately in bad taste and completely insensitive to that man and amyone close to him. However I'm not really offended by it. I think it just shows what times we live in now, where comedians/entertainers try to be as irreverent and politically incorrect as they can get away with.
Which is fine if not for the fact that you can't get away with making a joke out of female genital mutilation, and yet you can with male genital mutilation.
On July 29 2011 06:29 edzwoo wrote: All logic and sexism talk aside, I can easily find humor in this incident, but definitely not if it happened to a female. I actually find it odd that a lot of you guys are genuinely upset at that clip of The Talk.
That's the thing. I personally found myself finding it a little humorous that she'd use a waste disposal for that kind of thing. Then I realized how utterly sick it was that I found that funny, and that if I actually tried to picture anything like that happening to me it made me feel physically sick.
It doesn't matter if you find it funny, because as rational beings, we can look at that and realize how wrong it is that we're ingrained with such a violent double standard, and we can recognize that the media, popular culture, etc. is responsible for this, because after all, laughter is a social construct.
What? Laughter is basically the opposite of a social construct because its genetic and people laugh regardless of their particular culture.
I really wish a popular, male talk show host would pick a random, actual rape of a female and sit around with a bunch of men and an all male audience and have them joke and snigger about how funny it is that she got raped.
But there's no need for it to happen because everyone already knows what the reaction would be. These double standards sicken me.
The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I know, its so unfair that men occupy the top jobs.
Its just like my portfolio. I noticed that I only had a 8% return last year, after investing all my wealth in a 12 month term deposit, with my AAA rated bank. Its so unfair that there were people who made 50% returns for investing in small-cap stocks. Why should they have higher returns? Its so unfair. This discrimination must be stopped.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I don't know why the idea that there can be sexism against men is such an offensive notion to you when it apparently exists. I agree with pretty much all you said & it's horrible. It's people doing those horrible acts, not men. If you're going to start generalizing about men all being rapists then we can all start generalizing about how women would love to cut a mans dick off since it was so funny for all the women on that tv-show no? and it'd get us nowhere.
My fundamental point being we're all people and we're all different. I'm a man and I'm not a rapist and for you to say you have to fight men (or machism) because some men rape then that's silly.. You fight those people who do that or their view that it's accepted.
My own 2c on why they'd laugh is women have been having it worse than men for a good while (like you pointed out yourself with your own opinion) and now they laugh when men gets the rough end of a stick. gloating I'd say.
On July 29 2011 16:56 Maul wrote: I really wish a popular, male talk show host would pick a random, actual rape of a female and sit around with a bunch of men and an all male audience and have them joke and snigger about how funny it is that she got raped.
But there's no need for it to happen because everyone already knows what the reaction would be. These double standards sicken me.
So you would just want revenge on the women? That would make you happy? Also if you find it sickenimg how can anyone laugh at this, i remember seeing a tv show that waas a collection of worlds funniest filmed deaths.
FURTHERMORE, sexism exist and it alwayss will. Men and women are different. You cannot rable everytime something sexist happens in this world. If it makes you feel any better, women dont always the longer stick in sexism.
This is pretty disgraceful. Imagine if 6 men joked about cutting of a woman's labia and clitoris because she wanted to separate. Inequality is more so in women than it is in men, after witnessing that video.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I don't know why the idea that there can be sexism against men is such an offensive notion to you when it apparently exists. I agree with pretty much all you said & it's horrible. It's people doing those horrible acts, not men. If you're going to start generalizing about men all being rapists then we can all start generalizing about how women would love to cut a mans dick off since it was so funny for all the women on that tv-show no? and it'd get us nowhere.
My fundamental point being we're all people and we're all different. I'm a man and I'm not a rapist and for you to say you have to fight men (or machism) because some men rape then that's silly.. You fight those people who do that or their view that it's accepted.
My own 2c on why they'd laugh is women have been having it worse than men for a good while (like you pointed out yourself with your own opinion) and now they laugh when men gets the rough end of a stick. gloating I'd say.
I think they laugh because it's the kind of strange news that make people laugh. If I hadn't seen that topic I would've found that amusing to be honest. Horrible, but amusing.
What I find disturbing though, is people drawing parallels between this, and rape. Rape is a real "social fact" to quote Durkheim, and a real problem. There are statistics, easy to find on the net, that show that it affects a large number of people. It has nothing to do with one crazy psychopathic woman butchering her husband.
If there was a dick cutting spree I might understand your anger, but right now all I can see is a bunch of nerds posting hateful garbage against women.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I know, its so unfair that men occupy the top jobs.
Its just like my portfolio. I noticed that I only had a 8% return last year, after investing all my wealth in a 12 month term deposit, with my AAA rated bank. Its so unfair that there were people who made 50% returns for investing in small-cap stocks. Why should they have higher returns? Its so unfair. This discrimination must be stopped.
If you were trying to say something you should try again because that made no sense.
This is a pretty clear case of dark humor. How many times have we heard jokes about 9-11 or the wars where many of the victims would have given anything to be simply mutilated. I'm not saying that what was said is in good taste, it's obviously not. But to get in an uproar over some random female comedy/opinion show... its absurd. I would even go as far as to say that somebody would have to be pretty dense to believe any of the women on the show condone this violence.
Basically from what I can tell, if we started shutting down the most inflammatory and irresponsible media starting with the worst and working our way down the line it would be a looooooooooong time before we got to this show.
She is a sick frak. And those woman laughing at the poor man need to be reality checked. You don't laugh at that kind of stuff, at least do it in private and don't alienate most of the viewers.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I don't know why the idea that there can be sexism against men is such an offensive notion to you when it apparently exists. I agree with pretty much all you said & it's horrible. It's people doing those horrible acts, not men. If you're going to start generalizing about men all being rapists then we can all start generalizing about how women would love to cut a mans dick off since it was so funny for all the women on that tv-show no? and it'd get us nowhere.
My fundamental point being we're all people and we're all different. I'm a man and I'm not a rapist and for you to say you have to fight men (or machism) because some men rape then that's silly.. You fight those people who do that or their view that it's accepted.
My own 2c on why they'd laugh is women have been having it worse than men for a good while (like you pointed out yourself with your own opinion) and now they laugh when men gets the rough end of a stick. gloating I'd say.
I think they laugh because it's the kind of strange news that make people laugh. If I hadn't seen that topic I would've found that amusing to be honest. Horrible, but amusing.
What I find disturbing though, is people drawing parallels between this, and rape. Rape is a real "social fact" to quote Durkheim, and a real problem. There are statistics, easy to find on the net, that show that it affects a large number of people. It has nothing to do with one crazy psychopathic woman butchering her husband.
If there was a dick cutting spree I might understand your anger, but right now all I can see is a bunch of nerds posting hateful garbage against women.
So are you saying that rape is bad because it happens often, unlike this issue? Well, that does not make sense, because the frequency of a crime has totally nothing to do with it's severity. Even if rape happened one in a blue moon, it would still be as severe. Consequentially, this issue must also be viewed likewise.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I don't know why the idea that there can be sexism against men is such an offensive notion to you when it apparently exists. I agree with pretty much all you said & it's horrible. It's people doing those horrible acts, not men. If you're going to start generalizing about men all being rapists then we can all start generalizing about how women would love to cut a mans dick off since it was so funny for all the women on that tv-show no? and it'd get us nowhere.
My fundamental point being we're all people and we're all different. I'm a man and I'm not a rapist and for you to say you have to fight men (or machism) because some men rape then that's silly.. You fight those people who do that or their view that it's accepted.
My own 2c on why they'd laugh is women have been having it worse than men for a good while (like you pointed out yourself with your own opinion) and now they laugh when men gets the rough end of a stick. gloating I'd say.
I think they laugh because it's the kind of strange news that make people laugh. If I hadn't seen that topic I would've found that amusing to be honest. Horrible, but amusing.
What I find disturbing though, is people drawing parallels between this, and rape. Rape is a real "social fact" to quote Durkheim, and a real problem. There are statistics, easy to find on the net, that show that it affects a large number of people. It has nothing to do with one crazy psychopathic woman butchering her husband.
If there was a dick cutting spree I might understand your anger, but right now all I can see is a bunch of nerds posting hateful garbage against women.
So are you saying that rape is bad because it happens often, unlike this issue? Well, that does not make sense, because the frequency of a crime has totally nothing to do with it's severity. Even if rape happened one in a blue moon, it would still be as severe. Consequentially, this issue must also be viewed likewise.
No, that is not at all what I said.This isn't about the severity of the crime (I think we all agree she's crazy and should be in jail - and she will be), it's about our reaction to it.
My point was that the reason why we shouldn't make fun of rape or violence against women is that society needs to understand how bad these things are. It would be irresponsible for a TV presenter to laugh about a guy beating up his wife, because there are actually a lot of people who beat their wives. It's almost accepted as normal behavior for some people.
However, there aren't, to my knowledge, many people cutting dicks in America. The issue of people cutting dicks is inarguably not as serious as the issue of rape.
On July 29 2011 17:34 MilesTeg wrote: The insecurity in this thread is what's funny. This is the kind of news that we see all the time at the end of newspapers, sometimes it's horrible, yet we often laugh about this stuff.
Rape, however, is not something that happens once every century, it's something that's a real problem in pretty much every country, and all but accepted in some countries. Sexism is still an obvious problem everywhere, men dominate every important and rewarding job; in finance I can tell you it's a pure sausage fest and most of my bosses wouldn't even think about hiring a woman.
My point is, there's a reason why people are fighting against machism in our society. But this perceived sexism against men is something that doesn't really exist, no one should care about this stuff.
I don't know why the idea that there can be sexism against men is such an offensive notion to you when it apparently exists. I agree with pretty much all you said & it's horrible. It's people doing those horrible acts, not men. If you're going to start generalizing about men all being rapists then we can all start generalizing about how women would love to cut a mans dick off since it was so funny for all the women on that tv-show no? and it'd get us nowhere.
My fundamental point being we're all people and we're all different. I'm a man and I'm not a rapist and for you to say you have to fight men (or machism) because some men rape then that's silly.. You fight those people who do that or their view that it's accepted.
My own 2c on why they'd laugh is women have been having it worse than men for a good while (like you pointed out yourself with your own opinion) and now they laugh when men gets the rough end of a stick. gloating I'd say.
I think they laugh because it's the kind of strange news that make people laugh. If I hadn't seen that topic I would've found that amusing to be honest. Horrible, but amusing.
What I find disturbing though, is people drawing parallels between this, and rape. Rape is a real "social fact" to quote Durkheim, and a real problem. There are statistics, easy to find on the net, that show that it affects a large number of people. It has nothing to do with one crazy psychopathic woman butchering her husband.
If there was a dick cutting spree I might understand your anger, but right now all I can see is a bunch of nerds posting hateful garbage against women.
So are you saying that rape is bad because it happens often, unlike this issue? Well, that does not make sense, because the frequency of a crime has totally nothing to do with it's severity. Even if rape happened one in a blue moon, it would still be as severe. Consequentially, this issue must also be viewed likewise.
No, that is not at all what I said.This isn't about the severity of the crime (I think we all agree she's crazy and should be in jail - and she will be), it's about our reaction to it.
My point was that the reason why we shouldn't make fun of rape or violence against women is that society needs to understand how bad these things are. It would be irresponsible for a TV presenter to laugh about a guy beating up his wife, because there are actually a lot of people who beat their wives. It's almost accepted as normal behavior for some people.
However, there aren't, to my knowledge, many people cutting dicks in America. The issue of people cutting dicks is inarguably not as serious as the issue of rape.
So you are saying that if rape is infrequent it is okay to laugh at it? Maybe you also laugh at the Norway massacre because such a thing hasn't happened in that society before.
If I was on TV and was talking about a woman getting knocked about and I made a joke "She'll make the sandwich first time, next time!" or some other equally distasteful comment I would expect to lose my job. Hows that different from joking that he shouldn't have asked for a divorce?
We have a program like that in the UK loose women, or some such. Its populated by past it, fucking poisonous swamp donkeys too.
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