[Old] The massacre in Norway - Page 122

On July 26 2011 04:24 Derez wrote:


It really isn't rational, firstly because it's glenn beck and secondly because pretty much every major political organisation in pretty much every western country has a youth program. Including the right-wing glenn beck belongs to.

If the young groups on the american fringes are coming together to debate their 'ideals' (as they do), he would refer to it as patriotic, brave, you name it, but certainly not as hitlerjugend. Suddenly tho, it's socialists and beck will do pretty much anything to trash those.

Can we please keep opinions from people like him out of this thread? He doesn't have the slightest clue when it comes to anything outside of his beloved USA.

On July 26 2011 05:08 Derez wrote:


It's laughable to think that a person will ever be able to develop a coherent political view without discussing it with others (preferrably in real life), starting at a fairly early age. Obviously the 11 year olds at that island weren't discussing politics (I'm willing to bet most of the program is just having fun), that's not how it works in Europe either, but there's nothing wrong with people over 14ish doing so, and it is in fact encouraged. Or would you rather that people stick with their parents political views their entire life?

I'd also like to point out that the most indoctrinated person on the island wasn't one of the kids, but the douchebag showing up with a rifle who managed to radicalize entirely on his own with help from the internet.

On July 26 2011 05:14 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Glenn Beck himself admits that he is an entertainer - not a bringer of true journalism or sound opinion. He aims to entertain a specific demographic that is predictable and easy to entertain. Who knows, the guy might actually be a hard-left leaning liberal

On July 26 2011 05:23 Haemonculus wrote:

Also keep in mind that here in America, (especially on Fox news), the word "socialism" actually means "hates America, wants to take your guns away, and probably pro-gay marriage and flag burning".

It's sad, but when the camp is described as a "socialist youth camp", people here in the states, (again, especially those watching Fox) WILL assume the worst and think that it's some crazy left-wing indoctrination camp.

On July 26 2011 05:21 BlackJack wrote:


I would rather they send their kid to a debate camp full of children with ALL different kinds of political views for them to be exposed to. Can that be my "would you rather"?

On July 26 2011 05:23 Haemonculus wrote:

Also keep in mind that here in America, (especially on Fox news), the word "socialism" actually means "hates America, wants to take your guns away, and probably pro-gay marriage and flag burning".

It's sad, but when the camp is described as a "socialist youth camp", people here in the states, (again, especially those watching Fox) WILL assume the worst and think that it's some crazy left-wing indoctrination camp.

On July 26 2011 05:21 BlackJack wrote:


I would rather they send their kid to a debate camp full of children with ALL different kinds of political views for them to be exposed to. Can that be my "would you rather"?

On July 26 2011 05:27 Shikyo wrote:

but socialist in this context isn't really socialist, it's more like social liberalist or something of that effect

On July 26 2011 05:21 BlackJack wrote:


I would rather they send their kid to a debate camp full of children with ALL different kinds of political views for them to be exposed to. Can that be my "would you rather"?

On July 26 2011 05:11 Myrtroll wrote:
According to politadvokat Christian Hatlo (prosecutor), they are considering charges with a penalty of 30 years. I didn't know about these, but they apparently exist. So any 21 year nonsense people are throwing about is false. Seems it's a war crime paragraph added recently and haven't been used yet (2005).

I guess the "forvaring" part still applies so it's still practically a life sentence, but it looks better on paper at least.

On July 26 2011 05:11 Myrtroll wrote:
According to politadvokat Christian Hatlo (prosecutor), they are considering charges with a penalty of 30 years. I didn't know about these, but they apparently exist. So any 21 year nonsense people are throwing about is false. Seems it's a war crime paragraph added recently and haven't been used yet (2005).

I guess the "forvaring" part still applies so it's still practically a life sentence, but it looks better on paper at least.

On July 26 2011 05:42 Shikyo wrote:

21 is max for terrorism, it seems.

I didn't know that a 30year max existed for war crimes, but I've read that apparently they're trying to push a new law out that allows a max of 30 year punishment. Then again, it's possible something's gotten lost in translation and they're talking about the same thing.

On July 26 2011 05:34 Krikan wrote:
If you nitpick the OP, keep in mind that I wrote it somewhere around 6 or 7 am the night after the massacre happened. I was kinda tired and not everything is perfect english. Like shikyo said, the wording isn't the best. A more proper explanation would be something like:

A mix between festival (few bands come and play) and political discussion usually led by people by the age between 16-21, where people who are social liberalist, or feel like this could be the direction they prefer, get together to mostly have fun, and partly discuss politics. Almost Everyone who goes consider it the highlight of their holiday (I could pull 20+ quotes from facebook with people posting their excitement if it was needed for a debate or something). I dont think anyone at all is pressured by their parents to go in any way whatsoever, and more than anything this is youth on youth discussing politics, not adult preaching to youth.

The important part to understand though, is that mainly, this is a place where people come TO HAVE FUN, and meet new people. The politics isn't the main focus. Hope that can clear things up a bit.

I'll edit this into the OP if anyone feels it needs more clarification?

On July 26 2011 04:18 Senx wrote:
For him, this is a success. He attracted massive attention to his manifesto and political views, 20 years of prison? NP. He's out again in his mid 50s.

This guy planned this out very well, he's didn't just randomly go and kill a bunch of people, it was targetted to get his point across and to get most possible attention to himself and his views.

That this guy is ONLY given 21 years for what he's done is just a testiment of norweigan law system that is so extremely mild and forgiving.

Its like any psychos heaven to go to norway and commit crimes, they know they'll get a mild punishment in comparison to whats in other countries and continents.