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On July 25 2011 07:41 Andymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:39 JanBanan wrote:
This guy deserves death or total isolation for the rest of his life. I just read that Breivik used explosive ammo, which detonates on inpact, and this he used on teenagers/kids...
It's unbelievable. source on that?
He used 'dumdum bullets', which are mandatory for hunting, or something like that. But they're illegal in warfare, due to the massive damage they do.
Source: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080715
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On July 25 2011 07:41 Andymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:39 JanBanan wrote:
This guy deserves death or total isolation for the rest of his life. I just read that Breivik used explosive ammo, which detonates on inpact, and this he used on teenagers/kids...
It's unbelievable. source on that?
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4182828.ece
Norwegian newspaper, citing the chief surgeon at the hospital in question. It's not very surprising, he talks about it a lot in the manifest. Both dum dum bullets and bullets filled with liquid nicotine.
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On July 25 2011 07:36 TOloseGT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:32 Jormundr wrote:On July 25 2011 07:21 shabby wrote:On July 25 2011 07:11 Jormundr wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 25 2011 06:59 QuickS32123 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 06:43 Thorakh wrote:On July 25 2011 06:41 Sovern wrote:
So you'd rather your county be viewed as heavily pacifist that lets people get away with murder? I wouldn't even give him the prestige associated with being a barbarian either. Hes lower ranked than a piece of shit. As much as I'd like him to be tortured to death, that is not the way civilized people deal with criminals, no matter how evil the criminal is. Killing is wrong, unless out of self defence. We're not letting him get away with murder, we're putting him lifelong in prison. And besides, killing him will give him exactly what he wants, do you want that to happen? I bet he'd even go with a smile to his execution, we're pissing him off by not giving way and standing true to our justice system. If we want to have peace in our world we need to treat everyone the same. Actually I agree with you. Death would be too easy for him, he deserves to sit idle in prison for 20 odd years only to be put into Forvaring until the day that he dies or hangs himself. I feel as though he will never truly deserve to be put back into the free world. This guy had to be extremely insane to do what he just did and to believe that what he did was righteous. His mind is about as poisoned as the pious suicide bombers on the middle east.BTW this is Sovern posting on a new account, the mod was obviously too big headed to issue a warning before proceeding to ban my account. When he bans this one ill hop on my other computer using my other alt alias. So your argument is that this man is 1. Extremely insane 2. Brainwashed like "pious suicide bombers on the middle east" 3. Deserves to die. I would agree with you on #2, the man was definitely a christian terrorist. But if #1 is correct, why does he deserve to die WHEN OUR OWN LAWS HAVE PROVISIONS FOR THE CRIMINALLY INSANE? EDIT: (hopefully) Before I get flamed, I am not in any way saying that a church of any form is particularly culpable. I am merely trying to attract attention to the anti-muslim bias in our corporate news and other media. Notice how this would have been called an Islamic attack if he was an Islamic immigrant, even though few muslims support mindless violence and bloodshed. He has clearly stated that he is not religious, and is only a "christian" in the sense of the cultural heritage and values. Just saying. Here in the United States, visiting a church once in a while makes you a "christian", visiting a mosque every once in a while will make you a "muslim". A man who is not considered to be a muslim by mainstream muslims is still an islamic terrorist, yet a white man in the same position is just a 'terrorist'. At least in my country, our government and news media help to keep this image intact, that threats come from "outsiders", in order to establish a sense of nationalism. Islamic terrorists use their religion to justify their actions. In the name of Allah and all that. If this guy went around saying Jesus compelled him to do it, then yes, he'd be called a Christian terrorist as well.
His motivation was to defend "christendom" in his manifesto.
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I'll take your word on the links, seeing as I can't read any of it :D but this was news to me, however I guess I've been out of the loop for about 24 hours. Thank you sir.
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I am glad this man will not be executed. Norway should set an example for the rest of the world by keeping him imprisoned for life.
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I want to share some thoughts a friend of mine shared in his blog about Anders Behring Breivik being a fundamental Christian. Especially to the Americans, where the media seem to misunderstand this.
Anders Behring Breivik - Fundamentalist Christian?
In the wake of the bomb in Oslo, and following massacre at the Labour Party youth camp at Utøya, I've noticed a very peculiar thing about the coverage of the event in American media. Many of them seem to be perpetuating the idea that the terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik is a fundamentalist Christian.
While I suspect that this misinformation is being perpetuated on purpose by a small group of secularist journalists who intend to exploit this tragedy to spread their agenda of hatred against Christians, I still feel obliged to make one clarification to my American friends, and help them see this through Norwegian eyes.
Breivik has authored (largely by copying and pasting) a 1500 page manifesto, where he uses some rhetoric around preserving our christian culture and heritage. European journalists, even the most left-leaning of them, understand what this means. We are immersed in the ideas that our nations are "Christian nations", because we have a state church. They understand that the Christianity he talks about is the same Christianity they practice themselves when they take their children before the priest to get sprinkled, and when the go to Church on Christmas eve to get into the proper Christmas mood. It's what Norwegians do. They don't mean anything about it, and the moment they are out of those church doors they proceed to go about their secular lives as usual. This Christianity does not spring from a sincerely held faith in Christ. It's just a wholesome tradition, that is closely tied to our national identity. And who knows, maybe there even is a God out there who will look on us favorably for jumping through these hoops, right?
This type of nationalistic Christianity lends itself perfectly to this type of abuse. Increasing numbers of Arab immigrants are spreading Islamic culture, so what is the remedy? We need to fight for our Christian cultural heritage!
And so it was that the name of Christ was dragged into this atrocity. Breivik may see himself as a Christian. It's a delusion he has in common with most of the Norwegian population. It seems he might even at occasions have prayed. Most people seem to do that whenever they're in a pinch, even if they don't really believe anyone is listening.
But I can say one thing for certain. Breivik does not have anything in common with the people who are generally labeled fundamentalist Christians. These are people who let the teachings of Christ have genuine influence in their lives. They love their enemies, bless those who persecute them, and the sword with witch they spread their message is the Word of God. And they all share my disbelief and disgust with the atrocities that have been committed.
Please feel free to spread this around as a counterweight to the false information that is being spread.
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On July 25 2011 07:41 Andymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:39 JanBanan wrote:
This guy deserves death or total isolation for the rest of his life. I just read that Breivik used explosive ammo, which detonates on inpact, and this he used on teenagers/kids...
It's unbelievable. source on that?
In English: http://www.startribune.com/world/126079758.html
Dr. Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss northwest of Oslo, told The Associated Press that the gunman used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage. Poole said surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered no full bullets.
"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body," Poole said. "It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories."
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On July 25 2011 07:41 Andymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:39 JanBanan wrote:
This guy deserves death or total isolation for the rest of his life. I just read that Breivik used explosive ammo, which detonates on inpact, and this he used on teenagers/kids...
It's unbelievable. source on that?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13370562.ab
It says that he used dum dum bullets. It also says something in his manifesto about how to create these bullets I believe.
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On July 25 2011 07:41 Andymoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:39 JanBanan wrote:
This guy deserves death or total isolation for the rest of his life. I just read that Breivik used explosive ammo, which detonates on inpact, and this he used on teenagers/kids...
It's unbelievable. source on that? Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 07:40 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On July 25 2011 07:35 Pasado wrote:On July 25 2011 07:24 Andymoo wrote:
...However, one of my coworkers did point out that he's most likely smart enough to know how that works and may be able to prove himself as changed when that time comes, granted I hope they just automatically add on 5years every time. This, I also feel he is smart enough to act rehabilitated and get released. I really doubt that... Psychologie is pretty smart on theire side even if he can simulate every stage of this it wont be possible to accept himself afterwards... If he get healed he kills himself. He can clearly accept himself, seeing as he obviously shows no remorse for what he has done seeing as he did it for a 'cause' and to be a martyr.
But then he is not healed in any way.
But i have no idea how its works... need to read some artikles about it :/
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On July 25 2011 07:45 ThePhan2m wrote:I want to share some thoughts a friend of mine shared in his blog about Anders Behring Breivik being a fundamental Christian. Especially to the Americans, where the media seem to misunderstand this. Show nested quote +Anders Behring Breivik - Fundamentalist Christian?
In the wake of the bomb in Oslo, and following massacre at the Labour Party youth camp at Utøya, I've noticed a very peculiar thing about the coverage of the event in American media. Many of them seem to be perpetuating the idea that the terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik is a fundamentalist Christian.
While I suspect that this misinformation is being perpetuated on purpose by a small group of secularist journalists who intend to exploit this tragedy to spread their agenda of hatred against Christians, I still feel obliged to make one clarification to my American friends, and help them see this through Norwegian eyes.
Breivik has authored (largely by copying and pasting) a 1500 page manifesto, where he uses some rhetoric around preserving our christian culture and heritage. European journalists, even the most left-leaning of them, understand what this means. We are immersed in the ideas that our nations are "Christian nations", because we have a state church. They understand that the Christianity he talks about is the same Christianity they practice themselves when they take their children before the priest to get sprinkled, and when the go to Church on Christmas eve to get into the proper Christmas mood. It's what Norwegians do. They don't mean anything about it, and the moment they are out of those church doors they proceed to go about their secular lives as usual. This Christianity does not spring from a sincerely held faith in Christ. It's just a wholesome tradition, that is closely tied to our national identity. And who knows, maybe there even is a God out there who will look on us favorably for jumping through these hoops, right?
This type of nationalistic Christianity lends itself perfectly to this type of abuse. Increasing numbers of Arab immigrants are spreading Islamic culture, so what is the remedy? We need to fight for our Christian cultural heritage!
And so it was that the name of Christ was dragged into this atrocity. Breivik may see himself as a Christian. It's a delusion he has in common with most of the Norwegian population. It seems he might even at occasions have prayed. Most people seem to do that whenever they're in a pinch, even if they don't really believe anyone is listening.
But I can say one thing for certain. Breivik does not have anything in common with the people who are generally labeled fundamentalist Christians. These are people who let the teachings of Christ have genuine influence in their lives. They love their enemies, bless those who persecute them, and the sword with witch they spread their message is the Word of God. And they all share my disbelief and disgust with the atrocities that have been committed.
Please feel free to spread this around as a counterweight to the false information that is being spread.
No offence but isn't that textbook "no true scotsman"?
Muslims feel the same way about their terrorists.
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I randomly came across the part of his manifesto/diary/whatever where he wrote about testing bullets to find the ones that deal the maximum amount of damage to "vermin"
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On July 25 2011 07:45 ThePhan2m wrote:I want to share some thoughts a friend of mine shared in his blog about Anders Behring Breivik being a fundamental Christian. Especially to the Americans, where the media seem to misunderstand this. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +Anders Behring Breivik - Fundamentalist Christian?
In the wake of the bomb in Oslo, and following massacre at the Labour Party youth camp at Utøya, I've noticed a very peculiar thing about the coverage of the event in American media. Many of them seem to be perpetuating the idea that the terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik is a fundamentalist Christian.
While I suspect that this misinformation is being perpetuated on purpose by a small group of secularist journalists who intend to exploit this tragedy to spread their agenda of hatred against Christians, I still feel obliged to make one clarification to my American friends, and help them see this through Norwegian eyes.
Breivik has authored (largely by copying and pasting) a 1500 page manifesto, where he uses some rhetoric around preserving our christian culture and heritage. European journalists, even the most left-leaning of them, understand what this means. We are immersed in the ideas that our nations are "Christian nations", because we have a state church. They understand that the Christianity he talks about is the same Christianity they practice themselves when they take their children before the priest to get sprinkled, and when the go to Church on Christmas eve to get into the proper Christmas mood. It's what Norwegians do. They don't mean anything about it, and the moment they are out of those church doors they proceed to go about their secular lives as usual. This Christianity does not spring from a sincerely held faith in Christ. It's just a wholesome tradition, that is closely tied to our national identity. And who knows, maybe there even is a God out there who will look on us favorably for jumping through these hoops, right?
This type of nationalistic Christianity lends itself perfectly to this type of abuse. Increasing numbers of Arab immigrants are spreading Islamic culture, so what is the remedy? We need to fight for our Christian cultural heritage!
And so it was that the name of Christ was dragged into this atrocity. Breivik may see himself as a Christian. It's a delusion he has in common with most of the Norwegian population. It seems he might even at occasions have prayed. Most people seem to do that whenever they're in a pinch, even if they don't really believe anyone is listening.
But I can say one thing for certain. Breivik does not have anything in common with the people who are generally labeled fundamentalist Christians. These are people who let the teachings of Christ have genuine influence in their lives. They love their enemies, bless those who persecute them, and the sword with witch they spread their message is the Word of God. And they all share my disbelief and disgust with the atrocities that have been committed.
Please feel free to spread this around as a counterweight to the false information that is being spread.
That's really dumb and hypocritical. Do you think that they consider the 9/11 bombings to not be "Islamic fundamentalists" because they weren't truly following the teachings of the Quran? It goes both ways.
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Can the mods please start cracking down on the off-topic discussions/people who post without reading anything? This thread should be about sharing condolences and as a center for new information about the event and the people involved. I check up on the thread every few hours in case you guys caught something on the news that I missed (like the 46 missing people, I haven't had the TV on and didn't notice it in any article I read), but every time I come here most of the posts are people arguing about our justice system (and people outside of Norway seem to insist they know it better than us), using the event as a platform to have philosophical debates, or people posting "Hey! I just heard he's only going to get 21 years. What a joke! I'd kill him myself for ya if I could get over there." If people want to post all that stuff, fine, just not here please.
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Hope this doesn't inspire a southerner here in the US.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Information about his weapon:
Ruger Mini 14 (Semi Automatic) Hunting Rifle
Attatchments: Flashlight, bayonette, laser scope, red dot, monopod, bigger magazine for 30 bullets. Modified for a smoother trigger.
No wonder he managed to do this much damage.
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On July 25 2011 07:51 vict1019 wrote:
Hope this doesn't inspire a southerner here in the US.
Ban this idiot bigot.
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What makes me curious is how he was able to get a gun in a nation with insane gun conrol laws.
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I don't think you understand, read it again. He does not believe in God or Jesus, this should make him a non-christian. In norway as it said, we look at christianity as tradition because we haven't split the church and state yet. Most are athiests, agnostic or into human ethics or whatnot afaik. Christians in Norway aren't trying to "save face" by discrediting his faith, he has none.
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