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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
April 24 2016 15:30 GMT
#8601
On April 25 2016 00:15 Hryul wrote:
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On April 25 2016 00:09 Sent. wrote:
On April 25 2016 00:08 Hryul wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:46 Cascade wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:40 Sent. wrote:
Isnt normal death enough?

Could be, but only decapitation has been tested with sufficient statistics in a clinically controlled environment.

why did the guillotine came out of fashion? it seems much less painful than, say, strangulation and US is having trouble with their meds.


it's messy

water is your friend.

would guillotine work underwater ?
I like starcraft
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
April 24 2016 15:34 GMT
#8602
On April 25 2016 00:30 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 00:15 Hryul wrote:
On April 25 2016 00:09 Sent. wrote:
On April 25 2016 00:08 Hryul wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:46 Cascade wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:40 Sent. wrote:
Isnt normal death enough?

Could be, but only decapitation has been tested with sufficient statistics in a clinically controlled environment.

why did the guillotine came out of fashion? it seems much less painful than, say, strangulation and US is having trouble with their meds.


it's messy

water is your friend.

would guillotine work underwater ?


Don't give ISIS new ideas pls
You're now breathing manually
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 24 2016 17:06 GMT
#8603
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
April 24 2016 17:53 GMT
#8604
On April 25 2016 02:06 JimmiC wrote:
It would Have to be super heavy or mechanical because other wise the friction of the water would slow it down 2 much.

What about a super heated blade so it cauterizes the wound as it chops off the head?

or just spring loading the mecanism to give momentum to the blade
I like starcraft
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 24 2016 19:12 GMT
#8605
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
April 24 2016 19:20 GMT
#8606
On April 25 2016 04:12 Jerubaal wrote:
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.

Energy cannot be created, only transferred so to give speed to an object something else has to 'give energy' (in the form of momentum) to the object. Hence the expression.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
April 25 2016 00:41 GMT
#8607
On April 25 2016 00:30 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 00:15 Hryul wrote:
On April 25 2016 00:09 Sent. wrote:
On April 25 2016 00:08 Hryul wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:46 Cascade wrote:
On April 24 2016 12:40 Sent. wrote:
Isnt normal death enough?

Could be, but only decapitation has been tested with sufficient statistics in a clinically controlled environment.

why did the guillotine came out of fashion? it seems much less painful than, say, strangulation and US is having trouble with their meds.


it's messy

water is your friend.

would guillotine work underwater ?

Wow. Death by drowning or beheading, whichever happens first. Takes cruel and unusual to a whole new level. For extra income, broadcast on live tv, with bets possible on cause of death. Or for the more luguber, pay to delay the descent of the blade.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
April 25 2016 13:03 GMT
#8608
On April 25 2016 00:07 JimmiC wrote:
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On April 24 2016 16:48 MarlieChurphy wrote:
This is a local weekly mag in my area, every time I see this ad for like a year or something I kept thinking I know this chick.

It's Anna Prosser right?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



It could be there are some similarities



I dunno where they live, but I wonder if its some stock photo that circulates all over. I remember when I went to vegas those mexicans clicking the cards for hookers were just random pics off of tumblr or porn sites etc.
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 25 2016 19:52 GMT
#8609
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 25 2016 19:56 GMT
#8610
On April 25 2016 04:20 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 04:12 Jerubaal wrote:
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.

Energy cannot be created, only transferred so to give speed to an object something else has to 'give energy' (in the form of momentum) to the object. Hence the expression.


It's strange to me because "momentum" is not a thing, it's a property. Momentum seems like a tertiary property. You are giving it kinetic energy which is determining its velocity, which determines it's momentum.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 20:09:12
April 25 2016 19:58 GMT
#8611
On April 26 2016 04:56 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 04:20 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 25 2016 04:12 Jerubaal wrote:
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.

Energy cannot be created, only transferred so to give speed to an object something else has to 'give energy' (in the form of momentum) to the object. Hence the expression.


It's strange to me because "momentum" is not a thing, it's a property. Momentum seems like a tertiary property. You are giving it kinetic energy which is determining its velocity, which determines it's momentum.



... ...

Do you have (m)any friends?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 20:10:04
April 25 2016 20:09 GMT
#8612
I can't really agree with that stance. Conservation of momentum is a pretty basic law of nature, right up there with conservation of energy.

The main difference between kinetic energy and momentum in practical terms is that kinetic energy is a scalar property (A number), while momentum is a vector (It has a direction and a number). But i see no reason to say that kinetic energy is more of "a thing" then momentum. Both are very real and important physical properties of objects.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 20:12:23
April 25 2016 20:11 GMT
#8613
On April 26 2016 04:56 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2016 04:20 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 25 2016 04:12 Jerubaal wrote:
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.

Energy cannot be created, only transferred so to give speed to an object something else has to 'give energy' (in the form of momentum) to the object. Hence the expression.


It's strange to me because "momentum" is not a thing, it's a property. Momentum seems like a tertiary property. You are giving it kinetic energy which is determining its velocity, which determines it's momentum.

this is just because velocity is more intuitive.
in physics, momentum is far more important. think conservation of momentum.

e: goddamnit simberto!
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
April 25 2016 20:12 GMT
#8614
You must be his Friend.


:D
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 25 2016 20:24 GMT
#8615
On April 26 2016 05:09 Simberto wrote:
I can't really agree with that stance. Conservation of momentum is a pretty basic law of nature, right up there with conservation of energy.

The main difference between kinetic energy and momentum in practical terms is that kinetic energy is a scalar property (A number), while momentum is a vector (It has a direction and a number). But i see no reason to say that kinetic energy is more of "a thing" then momentum. Both are very real and important physical properties of objects.


In fact, this is a non-relativistic view. In relativity, there is not much of a difference between momentum and energy, because this depends on the coordinate system. What is really conserved is four-momentum; in each coordinate system though, it's true that it is conserved component-by-component.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 25 2016 20:24 GMT
#8616
On April 26 2016 05:09 Simberto wrote:
I can't really agree with that stance. Conservation of momentum is a pretty basic law of nature, right up there with conservation of energy.

The main difference between kinetic energy and momentum in practical terms is that kinetic energy is a scalar property (A number), while momentum is a vector (It has a direction and a number). But i see no reason to say that kinetic energy is more of "a thing" then momentum. Both are very real and important physical properties of objects.


Do you not think of energy as being a thing? Saying "giving it momentum" seems a bit like saying "I'm giving it temperature".

On April 26 2016 04:58 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 04:56 Jerubaal wrote:
On April 25 2016 04:20 Gorsameth wrote:
On April 25 2016 04:12 Jerubaal wrote:
I feel like saying you are "giving momentum" to something is a strange expression.

Energy cannot be created, only transferred so to give speed to an object something else has to 'give energy' (in the form of momentum) to the object. Hence the expression.


It's strange to me because "momentum" is not a thing, it's a property. Momentum seems like a tertiary property. You are giving it kinetic energy which is determining its velocity, which determines it's momentum.



... ...

Do you have (m)any friends?


Are you my friend?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
April 25 2016 20:29 GMT
#8617
Depends if you allways do the "you didn't explain/tell something 100% accurate and while everyone totally got what you meant, it really bothers me so i act like a douchebag" move
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 20:48:45
April 25 2016 20:47 GMT
#8618
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
April 25 2016 21:36 GMT
#8619
On April 26 2016 05:24 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 05:09 Simberto wrote:
I can't really agree with that stance. Conservation of momentum is a pretty basic law of nature, right up there with conservation of energy.

The main difference between kinetic energy and momentum in practical terms is that kinetic energy is a scalar property (A number), while momentum is a vector (It has a direction and a number). But i see no reason to say that kinetic energy is more of "a thing" then momentum. Both are very real and important physical properties of objects.


In fact, this is a non-relativistic view. In relativity, there is not much of a difference between momentum and energy, because this depends on the coordinate system. What is really conserved is four-momentum; in each coordinate system though, it's true that it is conserved component-by-component.


Yes. I have come to the conclusion that when talking to people who don't really know a lot about physics, it is best to stay at high school level stuff, and stuff that directly derives from that, especially if that is all that is necessary for your argument. It is useful not to overcomplicate matters by introducing new concepts that, while generally useful, are not specifically useful for the current situation and take a lot of explanation to understand.

On April 26 2016 05:24 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2016 05:09 Simberto wrote:
I can't really agree with that stance. Conservation of momentum is a pretty basic law of nature, right up there with conservation of energy.

The main difference between kinetic energy and momentum in practical terms is that kinetic energy is a scalar property (A number), while momentum is a vector (It has a direction and a number). But i see no reason to say that kinetic energy is more of "a thing" then momentum. Both are very real and important physical properties of objects.


Do you not think of energy as being a thing? Saying "giving it momentum" seems a bit like saying "I'm giving it temperature".


Of course energy is "a thing". But so is momentum. Momentum is in no way directly derived from energy. The main difference here is the direction information. Kinetic energy does not have a direction. Momentum does have a direction. If i tell you how much kinetic energy i transferred to something, you can not tell in which direction it is going afterwards, just how fast it is.

The only reason people talk about properties like momentum and energy is because they are useful. Energy is a very useful property because the conservation of energy allows you to deduce how a system will behave in a lot of situations. Momentum is similar, it's law of conservation allows a lot of useful deduction, which is why people talk about it. This realisation is important and very often neglected. The only reason people talk about some specific properties that are unintuitive (Why should we talk about mass * velocity as opposed to only velocity, which is much easier to observe? The fuck are forces and why are we talking about those all the time, aren't they really derived from all sorts of other stuff?) is because these quantities are useful and have useful properties. Momentum and energy are conserved. Forces tend to follow physical laws, and are directly linked to acceleration, which is what you want to know about when you want to find out what is going to happen to a system. And systems are often in a force equilibrium, too.

The confusion here is that a lot of people never learn to think about momentum as a vector quantity, because school education in physics often ends after central collisions, for which it is fine to talk about momentum as something similar to a scalar, because everything happens in one dimension anyways. It is really sad, i always found it a revelation how elegant and intuitive vectors describe situations that would require you to solve multiple different equations and think about what equation describes what, like the throwing of a ball.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 26 2016 01:15 GMT
#8620
I feel like you're neck deep in your theoretical framework.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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