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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 19:24:13
March 17 2016 19:23 GMT
#8221
On March 18 2016 04:14 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:06 Yoav wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:31 WrathSCII wrote:
Are you considered a "PC Master Race" if you play a 1998 game only...?


Card carrying.


What?

"card carrying" is a colloquial expression that is intended to convey the idea that the speaker is a card carrying member of whatever group or category of individuals being referred to. In this case, yoav is saying that he is a card carrying member of the pc master race of individuals that play a 1998 game only.

haha, beat ya to it, Mr. Servo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
March 17 2016 19:23 GMT
#8222
On March 18 2016 04:14 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:06 Yoav wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:31 WrathSCII wrote:
Are you considered a "PC Master Race" if you play a 1998 game only...?


Card carrying.


What?

From a phrase, "he/she is a card carrying member of __________" That is to say you are certifiably a part of a group, very behind the message.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
March 17 2016 19:31 GMT
#8223
On March 18 2016 02:49 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2016 12:02 JimmiC wrote:
How come it is generally accepted that the smartest people in the world both real (hawkings, every other famous scientist and so on) as well as fictional (cast of big bang so on) do not believe in religion yet most of the masses do?

Does it not seem like basic logic to belief what our best and brightest do?


Because your premise is incorrect. Hyperintelligence is correlated with thoughtfulness about religion, not any particular religious theory. Historical factors do mean that at the current time, science in particular is a field where religiousity is lower. Part of this is just connected to the fact that, regrettably, being a scientist is positively correlated with all sorts of things that are negatively correlated to religiosity: whiteness, growing up with wealth, being male, having a lower emphasis on family, living in an urban setting, etc. But most of it is just the fact that science and religion have been falsely seen as being at odds for a regrettably long time. I will also not address the fact that if you include both scientists and other thinkers, many of the greatest minds even of our secular age are distinctly religious (Einstein, Collins, Lewis, Tolkien, Niebuhr, etc.)

I won't get into the arguments at stake there, but I do think it's important to recognize that you can isolate the historical factor by asking, have great scientists always been less religious than the general population? Sokrates, Newton, Pascal, Mendel, etc. were all deeply religious. Gallileo and Copernicus developed the ideas of modern science premised on the notion that God must have created the universe ordered and beautiful, with knowable rules. Many of these guys were contrary to the establishment in whatever place they were in (the local pagan authorities legit killed Sokrates). They were determined and deeply thoughtful. And all of them ended up with some idea of a power beyond the material universe that gives it purpose.

On your other point, I think arguing that organized religion is flawed is very reasonable. Very, if I may use the word, Christian. But more harm than good? I'd really hesitate to say that especially after you discount wars that were clearly secular though given religious auspisces. (30 years war: the great religious war of European history! except that it was fought between Catholic France and Cathoic Austria/Spain with minimal Protestant involvement.)


Great post. I wanted to write a similar one but was too lazy, good job.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 17 2016 19:45 GMT
#8224
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 17 2016 20:38 GMT
#8225
On March 18 2016 03:31 WrathSCII wrote:
Are you considered a "PC Master Race" if you play a 1998 game only...?

No, you're considered a "Old Games Master Race" (aka "Old Is Always Better")
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 21:59:18
March 17 2016 21:59 GMT
#8226
On March 18 2016 04:45 JimmiC wrote:
That is a fancy way of saying yes

Affirmative.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
March 18 2016 04:26 GMT
#8227
On March 18 2016 00:34 ThomasjServo wrote:
If you could go back in time and coordinate one thing to ensure your personal wealth in the present what would the best way to go about doing this?

Rules include:

No Biff Tannen, giving yourself almanacs or interacting with yourself in the past.
No outside help or coordination with relatives, friends, family. This has to benefit only you in the year 2016.
Your goal is to pop back from the past and have access to what you set up shortly after you return to the present, as few hoops as possible.


Is removing hardship the same as improving wealth?

If so, I'd shoot my mother while she was pregnant with me--to remove 100% of the bad things in my life.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 06:29:59
March 18 2016 06:25 GMT
#8228
On March 18 2016 01:23 Simberto wrote:
I am going with a moderate time jump, 50 years or something like that.

1) Grab money that you can spend in the past, either directly, or grab some gold and turn into money in the past.
2) Go to past, buy stuff that is really cheap and is going to be worth a lot in the future (Try to take stuff that doesn't directly violate the future you would expect just to make sure, so no buying the Mona Lisa) (This can be a lot of random shit, baseball cards, land deeds, pay some artist that you know will become famous in the future to make specific art for you that you know is not popular known in your time, stamps, signed first edition stuff)
3) Put stuff in a box, pay an attorney or attorney office (research this guy in the future, make sure noone he knows had a sudden unexpected influx of wealth over the last 50 years, make sure his office never burned down, stuff like this) to deliver the box to you 30 minutes after you plan to return from the past.
4) Go to the future, be rich.

Wouldn't it be easier to go back just 30 years, open an account on your name and buy apple stock for $0.30 a piece (adjusted for splits)?
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 18 2016 07:44 GMT
#8229
On March 18 2016 15:25 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 01:23 Simberto wrote:
I am going with a moderate time jump, 50 years or something like that.

1) Grab money that you can spend in the past, either directly, or grab some gold and turn into money in the past.
2) Go to past, buy stuff that is really cheap and is going to be worth a lot in the future (Try to take stuff that doesn't directly violate the future you would expect just to make sure, so no buying the Mona Lisa) (This can be a lot of random shit, baseball cards, land deeds, pay some artist that you know will become famous in the future to make specific art for you that you know is not popular known in your time, stamps, signed first edition stuff)
3) Put stuff in a box, pay an attorney or attorney office (research this guy in the future, make sure noone he knows had a sudden unexpected influx of wealth over the last 50 years, make sure his office never burned down, stuff like this) to deliver the box to you 30 minutes after you plan to return from the past.
4) Go to the future, be rich.

Wouldn't it be easier to go back just 30 years, open an account on your name and buy apple stock for $0.30 a piece (adjusted for splits)?

better yet is to buy derivatives and use as much debt as you can handle to buy them. Profits will be insane.

zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
March 18 2016 08:04 GMT
#8230
On March 18 2016 16:44 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 15:25 zatic wrote:
On March 18 2016 01:23 Simberto wrote:
I am going with a moderate time jump, 50 years or something like that.

1) Grab money that you can spend in the past, either directly, or grab some gold and turn into money in the past.
2) Go to past, buy stuff that is really cheap and is going to be worth a lot in the future (Try to take stuff that doesn't directly violate the future you would expect just to make sure, so no buying the Mona Lisa) (This can be a lot of random shit, baseball cards, land deeds, pay some artist that you know will become famous in the future to make specific art for you that you know is not popular known in your time, stamps, signed first edition stuff)
3) Put stuff in a box, pay an attorney or attorney office (research this guy in the future, make sure noone he knows had a sudden unexpected influx of wealth over the last 50 years, make sure his office never burned down, stuff like this) to deliver the box to you 30 minutes after you plan to return from the past.
4) Go to the future, be rich.

Wouldn't it be easier to go back just 30 years, open an account on your name and buy apple stock for $0.30 a piece (adjusted for splits)?

better yet is to buy derivatives and use as much debt as you can handle to buy them. Profits will be insane.

Not sure what was there in endless running derivatives in 1985, but yeah, sure. Then again if you take on debt for this stunt apple stock alone would yield more than you reasonably can spent in the present.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
March 18 2016 10:58 GMT
#8231
The problem i have with that is that it has a reasonably high chance of being incompatible with the past that you remember. If you buy too much Apple Stock, that can change the stock market, or how apple acts. And even if you don't, i think banks usually send some sort of feedback to you every year or so about what your money is doing. And you would probably remember getting feedback about your growing money bag over the last thirty years. And someone might at some point want to try to figure out who that gigantic account of apple stock belongs to. Additional problems with the fact that you are not even born yet when the account is opened, which might lead to problems with actually claiming that it is in fact your account.

Of course, all of this can be dealt with or might not be a problem, but i still think that "box full of comics/baseball cards" might be the simpler solution.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
March 18 2016 11:11 GMT
#8232
On March 18 2016 19:58 Simberto wrote:
The problem i have with that is that it has a reasonably high chance of being incompatible with the past that you remember. If you buy too much Apple Stock, that can change the stock market, or how apple acts. And even if you don't, i think banks usually send some sort of feedback to you every year or so about what your money is doing. And you would probably remember getting feedback about your growing money bag over the last thirty years. And someone might at some point want to try to figure out who that gigantic account of apple stock belongs to. Additional problems with the fact that you are not even born yet when the account is opened, which might lead to problems with actually claiming that it is in fact your account.

Of course, all of this can be dealt with or might not be a problem, but i still think that "box full of comics/baseball cards" might be the simpler solution.



a trust fund gets around both of the knowlege issues. Only thing left is the mysterious non-voting apple stock owner. So diversify. Research a hundred (or more) stock opportunities for X years ago that have a couple of hundred percent returns, and buy into all of them, but not enough of any to draw suspicion if you're never at a shareholder meeting.

The problem now becomes keeping your time travelling a secret from the fund manager at the bank. So reaearch a bank somewhere in the world with high confidentiality, so that nobody goes poking around into who this mystery miracle investor is.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
March 18 2016 11:19 GMT
#8233
Ok, related question.

I was under the assumption that you can't just walk into a bank with a suitcase full of money and invest that into stuff without any paperwork (Mostly due to money laundering problems). So for that to work, you would need some legal identity in 1980, and leave a huge paper trail. I am not saying that it is impossible, but i think there are a lot of problems that you need to work around.

Also, there is a good chance of some guy at the bank jumping on the back of your train. Because someone will notice that your portfolio performs inexplicably and extraordinarily well. And that guy will probably start investing into the same stuff that you do (Or even worse, pitch himself as a genius fond manager to investors by declaring that his "algorithm" allowed him to have absurd returns over the last few years), at which point it becomes possible for even more people to notice and for you to substantially warp the stock market. I am not saying that this has to happen, but there is a definitive risk of stuff going wrong when you do something that is in the open and involves a bunch of people managing things and not noticing your time traveled account.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 18 2016 11:43 GMT
#8234
I love how you guys are seriously mounting a failproof plan for making money by time-travelling
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 18 2016 12:48 GMT
#8235
On March 18 2016 20:19 Simberto wrote:
Ok, related question.

I was under the assumption that you can't just walk into a bank with a suitcase full of money and invest that into stuff without any paperwork (Mostly due to money laundering problems). So for that to work, you would need some legal identity in 1980, and leave a huge paper trail. I am not saying that it is impossible, but i think there are a lot of problems that you need to work around.

Also, there is a good chance of some guy at the bank jumping on the back of your train. Because someone will notice that your portfolio performs inexplicably and extraordinarily well. And that guy will probably start investing into the same stuff that you do (Or even worse, pitch himself as a genius fond manager to investors by declaring that his "algorithm" allowed him to have absurd returns over the last few years), at which point it becomes possible for even more people to notice and for you to substantially warp the stock market. I am not saying that this has to happen, but there is a definitive risk of stuff going wrong when you do something that is in the open and involves a bunch of people managing things and not noticing your time traveled account.

Why does a paper trail matter? Taking debt and buying stocks isn't illegal. Just make sure you use multiple banks / brokers and nobody will see your whole portfolio except maybe the IRS but there are more people who have made millions in the stock markets.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
March 18 2016 13:06 GMT
#8236
It adds complications and points of failure. For example, you don't have an identity in 1980, because you haven't been born yet. So you need to find a way to deal with that, probably by getting a fake ID or something, which leads to additional problems. If you want to take debt in 1980, you need some securities in 1980, which you do not have. Of course this can be dealt with, but all of it leads to additional problems, and you want to set stuff up in a way that just runs smoothly making money for you without any interaction for the next 30 years.

And it doesn't really matter if anyone sees your whole portfolio or only parts of it, because each part of your portfolio is going to have insane returns on investment. And there is a reasonable chance that the guy who does your investing for you figures that out, and tries to piggyback on it. Which is bad, because you want to go with minimum disruption because you don't exactly know how changing the past works, and you can't really test that beforehand either.

What you should fear is not doing something illegal and getting busted, but interrupting the past too much. A good idea is to make sure that everything you do is compatible with the past as viewed from your original starting point. Even that is not a 100% safe, but it is probably the best bet if you want to keep on time traveling and haven't yet figured out exactly how changes to the past work.

I just see too many points of failure where your small investment could spiral into large changes that are incompatible with your view of the past.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
March 18 2016 13:10 GMT
#8237
You guys are too complicated.
Go back 15 years and bet on legal gay marriage and a black president in the US.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
March 18 2016 13:54 GMT
#8238
On March 18 2016 22:06 Simberto wrote:
It adds complications and points of failure. For example, you don't have an identity in 1980, because you haven't been born yet. So you need to find a way to deal with that, probably by getting a fake ID or something, which leads to additional problems. If you want to take debt in 1980, you need some securities in 1980, which you do not have. Of course this can be dealt with, but all of it leads to additional problems, and you want to set stuff up in a way that just runs smoothly making money for you without any interaction for the next 30 years.

And it doesn't really matter if anyone sees your whole portfolio or only parts of it, because each part of your portfolio is going to have insane returns on investment. And there is a reasonable chance that the guy who does your investing for you figures that out, and tries to piggyback on it. Which is bad, because you want to go with minimum disruption because you don't exactly know how changing the past works, and you can't really test that beforehand either.

What you should fear is not doing something illegal and getting busted, but interrupting the past too much. A good idea is to make sure that everything you do is compatible with the past as viewed from your original starting point. Even that is not a 100% safe, but it is probably the best bet if you want to keep on time traveling and haven't yet figured out exactly how changes to the past work.

I just see too many points of failure where your small investment could spiral into large changes that are incompatible with your view of the past.

I guess it depends on how old you are whether you have an identity or not. If you're buying multiple stocks and not just apple you don't have to go 30 years back in time so you can go back to a time where you do have an identity (and assets/a job).

Of course it matters if they can only see a part of your portfolio. There are a huge amount of stock brokers. Just buy 1, 2 or maybe 3 stocks at most and nobody will try to copy you. They'll see it as a lucky gamble. If you do it in a time where there's internet you can cut out the middle man as well and do it execution only.

On March 18 2016 22:10 Velr wrote:
You guys are too complicated.
Go back 15 years and bet on legal gay marriage and a black president in the US.

Could work as well ;p
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 18 2016 14:12 GMT
#8239
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
March 18 2016 14:24 GMT
#8240
Who the fuck looks at my portfolio?
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