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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 14:41:59
February 13 2016 14:39 GMT
#7961
I think the image of American bread people are thinking of is mainly wonder bread. You can buy quality bread that will take butter straight from the fridge but you'd probably wind up going to a bakery rather than a super market if you're looking for, "the good stuff."

Mega grocery chains would probably have something that meets your criteria, but if I'm buying good bread, I'd rather get the smell of a nice bakery anyway
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 13 2016 14:51 GMT
#7962
On February 13 2016 23:13 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 22:13 opisska wrote:
On February 13 2016 21:53 Simberto wrote:
After the recent bread discussion in the US politics thread, i do have a question for americans:

I recall that when i was in the US (About 10 years or so ago) it was basically impossible to get good bread (It might just have been the case that i was too stupid to find it). And by that i don't mean any arcane standards. I distinctly remember the bread being very unstable, and every time you try to cover it in butter or something along those lines, you would just punch through it. That weirded me out, because it is completely unlike bread is here.

So my question is: Does bread exist in the US, where you can take cool butter right out of the fridge and smear it onto the bread without it being ripped to shreds?



This is the situation not only in US, but in a big part of the world. The best bread is obviously made in Czech Republic and the further you get, the shittier the product is. Some friends of mine however noted that you can buy acceptable bread under in US made by immigrants (mostly marketed as "Polish bread", for obvious reasons).

Hahahahaha
I have never even heard of Czech bread
Best bread is French bread (baguette).


I like baguette, but it's not bread. The uses are different - baguette is really good fresh, but after half a day, it's inedible. It's also not very conductive to cutting and spreading. Czech bread is not that shiny great fresh (even though really good bread is still awesome fresh), but it's main upside is that it last really long. Every time I go trekking outside central Europe, I am really pissed I can't get bread that would last fresh more than two days; some friends of mine even take bread from home. And if you are looking for this variety of bread, the best bet is Czech or Slovak republic with some acceptable attempts existing in some surrounding countries.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
February 13 2016 16:06 GMT
#7963
Yeah... no. Southern European bread is meant to be eaten fresh and surpasses anything else in sheer deliciousness. Trying to claim Czech bread is better because it serves some specific purpose that is not the quintessential purpose of bread does not make it better bread. Might as well claim that McDonald hamburger buns are the best bread. To the extent of making a hamburger this might be true: sticking a hamburger patty between two slices of rye just doesn't work. Buy nobody inot their right mind would try to claim that makes hamburger buns the best bread.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
February 13 2016 16:26 GMT
#7964
Also, if you are simply interested in "durability" I'm fairly certain rugbrød and knækbrød (aka Scandinavian bread) is going to beat you any day of the week. In other words, my bread can beat your bread!
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11839 Posts
February 13 2016 16:27 GMT
#7965
Plus, you can literally beat someone with that bread. (Not saying i don't like it)
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 16:42:43
February 13 2016 16:39 GMT
#7966
The Scandinavian hard breads have to be the inspiration for the Dwarf Loafs (made of stone) in Discworlds.

On February 13 2016 22:13 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 21:53 Simberto wrote:
After the recent bread discussion in the US politics thread, i do have a question for americans:

I recall that when i was in the US (About 10 years or so ago) it was basically impossible to get good bread (It might just have been the case that i was too stupid to find it). And by that i don't mean any arcane standards. I distinctly remember the bread being very unstable, and every time you try to cover it in butter or something along those lines, you would just punch through it. That weirded me out, because it is completely unlike bread is here.

So my question is: Does bread exist in the US, where you can take cool butter right out of the fridge and smear it onto the bread without it being ripped to shreds?



This is the situation not only in US, but in a big part of the world. The best bread is obviously made in Czech Republic and the further you get, the shittier the product is. Some friends of mine however noted that you can buy acceptable bread under in US made by immigrants (mostly marketed as "Polish bread", for obvious reasons).

Yeah, I've only been a week in US, but I wasn't impressed at all by the bread. :/
It is better is Australia, but as you say, much of the good ("good") bread is considered a bit foreign. Proper Australian bread (similar to US I guess, and UK as well?) should be white, squishy and tasteless. Essentially only edible if you toast it, and even then it serves little purpose apart from a tray to put the fillings on.

(The French may want a word with you btw. )
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 13 2016 17:30 GMT
#7967
But our bread is both good and durable, soft while you can spread anything on it ... This is just a waste of effort, unless you come and taste some really good one though! At least I hope we can agree that the "white squishy and tastelss" varieties are inferior, can't we?

Btw. I don't know about Denmark, but I am always startled how Norway has some almost-normal bread while Sweden has absolutely no edible varieties at all, how's that even possible?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
February 13 2016 18:55 GMT
#7968
On February 14 2016 01:26 Ghostcom wrote:
In other words, my bread can beat your bread!

BREAD FIGHT !
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-13 19:31:07
February 13 2016 19:28 GMT
#7969
Czech bread looks like totally normal bread to me? At least if from google images i couldn't tell the diffrence between Swiss bread that you can get at every store here? Obviously truely fresh bread from a bakery is even better but thats kinda a given .

Fresh Baguette is awesome, sadly it only stais fresh for about 2 hours ^^.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 13 2016 19:32 GMT
#7970
On February 13 2016 23:51 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2016 23:13 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 13 2016 22:13 opisska wrote:
On February 13 2016 21:53 Simberto wrote:
After the recent bread discussion in the US politics thread, i do have a question for americans:

I recall that when i was in the US (About 10 years or so ago) it was basically impossible to get good bread (It might just have been the case that i was too stupid to find it). And by that i don't mean any arcane standards. I distinctly remember the bread being very unstable, and every time you try to cover it in butter or something along those lines, you would just punch through it. That weirded me out, because it is completely unlike bread is here.

So my question is: Does bread exist in the US, where you can take cool butter right out of the fridge and smear it onto the bread without it being ripped to shreds?



This is the situation not only in US, but in a big part of the world. The best bread is obviously made in Czech Republic and the further you get, the shittier the product is. Some friends of mine however noted that you can buy acceptable bread under in US made by immigrants (mostly marketed as "Polish bread", for obvious reasons).

Hahahahaha
I have never even heard of Czech bread
Best bread is French bread (baguette).


I like baguette, but it's not bread. The uses are different - baguette is really good fresh, but after half a day, it's inedible. It's also not very conductive to cutting and spreading. Czech bread is not that shiny great fresh (even though really good bread is still awesome fresh), but it's main upside is that it last really long. Every time I go trekking outside central Europe, I am really pissed I can't get bread that would last fresh more than two days; some friends of mine even take bread from home. And if you are looking for this variety of bread, the best bet is Czech or Slovak republic with some acceptable attempts existing in some surrounding countries.

Yeah it's true that baguettes rarely last more than half a day to a day depending on humidity. You can make them last longer by cutting them of ambient air though, with a closed box for example.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 13 2016 22:22 GMT
#7971
I had no idea people were such bread... aficionados . o_o

Though yes, you can easily get bread that you can smear cool butter on, frozen butter is harder, but if you let your bread go stale you can probably make frozen butter work too.

If you're trying to spread your butter on dry wonderbread you're just doing it wrong though, the thin weak bread is sandwich bread, if you want to spread butter on it you gotta toast it, or use around room temp butter.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 13 2016 23:11 GMT
#7972
On February 14 2016 07:22 Zambrah wrote:
I had no idea people were such bread... aficionados . o_o

Though yes, you can easily get bread that you can smear cool butter on, frozen butter is harder, but if you let your bread go stale you can probably make frozen butter work too.

If you're trying to spread your butter on dry wonderbread you're just doing it wrong though, the thin weak bread is sandwich bread, if you want to spread butter on it you gotta toast it, or use around room temp butter.

Well bread is a pretty big part of food culture here in Europe, as it was for a long time the cheapest way to get calories - before potatoes took over that role -, and even today it's a cheap way to eat since even quality bread you'll find in bakeries are cheap (one whole baguette costs less than 1€, and one whole baguette is ~600 calories, which is more than 25% of the daily recommended intake of calories for a 30-year-old, 75kg, 180cm male who exercises 3 times a week).
Also, why bother toasting when you can use the mighty baguette?
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
February 14 2016 00:23 GMT
#7973
On February 14 2016 02:30 opisska wrote:
But our bread is both good and durable, soft while you can spread anything on it ... This is just a waste of effort, unless you come and taste some really good one though! At least I hope we can agree that the "white squishy and tastelss" varieties are inferior, can't we?

Btw. I don't know about Denmark, but I am always startled how Norway has some almost-normal bread while Sweden has absolutely no edible varieties at all, how's that even possible?


I'll agree to that And consider a vacation to the Czech Republic at some point. As for the Swedes - it's because they are weird. And no one really likes them. In fact, the worst insult Danes have for a Swede is "Swede". + Show Spoiler +
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 14 2016 01:38 GMT
#7974
On February 14 2016 08:11 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2016 07:22 Zambrah wrote:
I had no idea people were such bread... aficionados . o_o

Though yes, you can easily get bread that you can smear cool butter on, frozen butter is harder, but if you let your bread go stale you can probably make frozen butter work too.

If you're trying to spread your butter on dry wonderbread you're just doing it wrong though, the thin weak bread is sandwich bread, if you want to spread butter on it you gotta toast it, or use around room temp butter.

Well bread is a pretty big part of food culture here in Europe, as it was for a long time the cheapest way to get calories - before potatoes took over that role -, and even today it's a cheap way to eat since even quality bread you'll find in bakeries are cheap (one whole baguette costs less than 1€, and one whole baguette is ~600 calories, which is more than 25% of the daily recommended intake of calories for a 30-year-old, 75kg, 180cm male who exercises 3 times a week).
Also, why bother toasting when you can use the mighty baguette?


I like the crunch of toasted white bread.

I like baguettes and the like with pasta where they get all warm and soft and I put some butter and garlic salt on them.

I guess I consider white bread to be a breakfast/light meal/snack type bread and other breads as more of a dinner/full meal type of thing.

Not that I've ever had European bread of any variety, lol. Any bread that isn't hard (aka it'll cut my mouth up) is good with me though, mm mm mm.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
February 14 2016 06:15 GMT
#7975
Bread can give you diabetes. Rice too. Any carbs really
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
February 14 2016 07:00 GMT
#7976
Beer is best bread.
Beef is also best bred.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
February 14 2016 07:20 GMT
#7977
Slovakia and Czech Republic has best bread, bar none. And I've eaten bread multiple times in more or less every European country, as well as North America, and Caribbean on my vacations.

Life expectancy in Czech Republic is 78 years, versus 81 in Canada, and Canada has a GDP/capita (using purchasing power parity) of 1.5x the Czech Republic.

Grains are fine to eat, and while I won't argue that there aren't negative effects, they are extremely minor relative to any meat, fast food, processed food, seasonings, pesticides, and preservatives that are a large part of the diet of an overwhelming majority of the western world.

So by all means, if you eat a Paleo diet 90% of the time, then fine, the next thing you'd go about eliminating is probably bread, but 98% of the population I'm familiar with aren't in that position.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 14 2016 09:26 GMT
#7978
On February 14 2016 15:15 riotjune wrote:
Bread can give you diabetes. Rice too. Any carbs really

It can. In practice most people who develop diabete develop it because of things like sodas, candys and cakes, not because of rice or bread.
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
February 14 2016 10:35 GMT
#7979
Okay, yesterday I bought LotV and I played the first three missions of the campaign. And I noticed that I still got the old warp-in animation and not the one that was introduced with LotV ist there a way to change this?
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
February 14 2016 12:21 GMT
#7980
On February 14 2016 16:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Slovakia and Czech Republic has best bread, bar none. And I've eaten bread multiple times in more or less every European country, as well as North America, and Caribbean on my vacations.

Life expectancy in Czech Republic is 78 years, versus 81 in Canada, and Canada has a GDP/capita (using purchasing power parity) of 1.5x the Czech Republic.

Grains are fine to eat, and while I won't argue that there aren't negative effects, they are extremely minor relative to any meat, fast food, processed food, seasonings, pesticides, and preservatives that are a large part of the diet of an overwhelming majority of the western world.

So by all means, if you eat a Paleo diet 90% of the time, then fine, the next thing you'd go about eliminating is probably bread, but 98% of the population I'm familiar with aren't in that position.

Actually, I'm pretty sure cuisine with large amounts of seasonings and spices tend to be pretty healthy, given their many health benefits. Especially many spices commonly used in South Asia.
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