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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6640 Posts
May 09 2015 23:16 GMT
#4941
On May 09 2015 20:40 helpman170 wrote:
What is the most difficult area of science?

Quantum mechanics?
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 10 2015 01:02 GMT
#4942
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
May 10 2015 01:25 GMT
#4943
On May 10 2015 08:16 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 20:40 helpman170 wrote:
What is the most difficult area of science?

Quantum mechanics?

Ah, no. QM is so easy you don't even need any kind of physics education to understand all of its implications. Even the people over at the philosophy thread know that.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
May 10 2015 01:31 GMT
#4944
On May 10 2015 10:02 Dark_Chill wrote:
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.

Not really a science though, imo.
puerk
Profile Joined February 2015
Germany855 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-10 02:15:53
May 10 2015 02:10 GMT
#4945
On May 10 2015 07:00 convention wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 02:56 puerk wrote:
On May 09 2015 21:16 corumjhaelen wrote:
On May 09 2015 21:04 helpman170 wrote:
On May 09 2015 20:46 corumjhaelen wrote:
Mine
What field of science did you invent?

Analytic and Algebraic Topology of Locally Euclidean Metrization of Infinitely Differentiable Riemannian Manifold

why would you say that? smooth is always the easy stuff where nothing interesting happens..

and furthermore riemannian is also just the easiest special case of general pseudo riemannian geometry...

for instance smooth lorentzian manifolds are conformally flat around the zeros of twistors
but there is an explicit example in the nonsmooth case (to be more precise C^1) where there exists a twistor with a zero whose neighbourhood is not conformally flat, meaning there is an arbitrary cutoff somewhere between C^1 and C^\infty where conformal flatness around zeros of twistors becomes inevetible

http://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0602622.pdf

Hmm, author is from germany, you're from germany. Is it you? This would be like the first time ever someone claiming to know something about a topic on an internet forum actually posts proof of his knowledge.

No i do not even know him, but i worked at the workgroup of H.B. Rademacher who influenced this paper (and is heavily cited in the paper), and tried to work on that problem for him, but failed spectacularly

and regarding the QM: classical QM is quite easy but just because we had 100 years of developing frameworks to understand it. new stuff is where the hard stuff is, if only a few people barely understand it, it becomes infinitely harder to teach it to enough people to get enough exposure
(as with the pure mathematical problem described above)

if you want "hard" and "quantum" try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiomatic_quantum_field_theory or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quantum_gravity
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23656 Posts
May 10 2015 04:06 GMT
#4946
How much deforestation is a direct result of math and it's heartless consumption of paper?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 10 2015 04:24 GMT
#4947
On May 10 2015 10:25 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 08:16 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 09 2015 20:40 helpman170 wrote:
What is the most difficult area of science?

Quantum mechanics?

Ah, no. QM is so easy you don't even need any kind of physics education to understand all of its implications. Even the people over at the philosophy thread know that.

Understand its implications? Yes.
The science itself, hell no. Attributions vary, but the idea is that if you think you've understood quantum mechanics, you haven't understood quantum mechanics.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 10 2015 05:01 GMT
#4948
On May 10 2015 13:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
How much deforestation is a direct result of math and it's heartless consumption of paper?

Probably <1% of the total paper consumption
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helpman170
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-10 06:26:46
May 10 2015 05:40 GMT
#4949
I think the question of difficulty in science is distantly related to the old Chess vs. StarCraft.
What is harder? Having complete information in defined systems (e.g. mathematics) or having incomplete information in complex systems (e.g. economics, molecular biology)?
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
May 10 2015 15:37 GMT
#4950
Why were rich people looked up to in the 1950's and 1960's but are now resented in today's social climate?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 10 2015 15:42 GMT
#4951
On May 11 2015 00:37 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Why were rich people looked up to in the 1950's and 1960's but are now resented in today's social climate?

Short answer is that when money flows, people with less money can look up to rich ppl with the hope of becoming like them. When crisis happen and there's less money and opportunities and the gap between the rich and the poor widens, people with less money have no hope anymore to become like the rich and thus they look at them with resentment.
Long answer is long.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 10 2015 15:46 GMT
#4952
On May 11 2015 00:37 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Why were rich people looked up to in the 1950's and 1960's but are now resented in today's social climate?


The populace still loves rich people unless you think of multimillionaire artists and athletes as people just slumming it up.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
May 10 2015 23:16 GMT
#4953
On May 10 2015 10:02 Dark_Chill wrote:
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.

thing is with most sciences you may be exceptional and be poor as dirt

with economics you can be a complete disaster and still get rich as fuck
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 11 2015 02:38 GMT
#4954
On May 11 2015 08:16 Warfie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2015 10:02 Dark_Chill wrote:
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.

thing is with most sciences you may be exceptional and be poor as dirt

with economics you can be a complete disaster and still get rich as fuck


Is how difficult something is determined by how hard it is to make money with it?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
May 11 2015 12:23 GMT
#4955
On May 11 2015 11:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 08:16 Warfie wrote:
On May 10 2015 10:02 Dark_Chill wrote:
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.

thing is with most sciences you may be exceptional and be poor as dirt

with economics you can be a complete disaster and still get rich as fuck


Is how difficult something is determined by how hard it is to make money with it?


Could be an argument.

Take two fields, equaly difficult to master in theory. Commitment to one of them means you also need a side job to pay the bills and spend most of your time begging for subventions, when commitment to the other means you have unlimited funding, with people taking care of any side concerns you may have.

On one hand, it makes global knowledge of the first more difficult to obtain. On the other, it makes it a lot less attractive, meaning less people in it, less publications and a lot less to learn. In practice, it probably would be easier to get in the top 2% of the field, gathering all the "state of the art" information; however, your overall mastery would still be low compared to standards of the more attractive subject.
Coooot
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 11 2015 15:09 GMT
#4956
On May 11 2015 21:23 Oshuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 11:38 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On May 11 2015 08:16 Warfie wrote:
On May 10 2015 10:02 Dark_Chill wrote:
Economics? That shit's fucking awful.

thing is with most sciences you may be exceptional and be poor as dirt

with economics you can be a complete disaster and still get rich as fuck


Is how difficult something is determined by how hard it is to make money with it?


Could be an argument.

Take two fields, equaly difficult to master in theory. Commitment to one of them means you also need a side job to pay the bills and spend most of your time begging for subventions, when commitment to the other means you have unlimited funding, with people taking care of any side concerns you may have.

On one hand, it makes global knowledge of the first more difficult to obtain. On the other, it makes it a lot less attractive, meaning less people in it, less publications and a lot less to learn. In practice, it probably would be easier to get in the top 2% of the field, gathering all the "state of the art" information; however, your overall mastery would still be low compared to standards of the more attractive subject.


Well, sort of, "Equally Difficult to Master" is a touchy subject unless you only count STEM classes and not the mastery of many other things.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
May 12 2015 03:04 GMT
#4957
Why do women complian about how there are no good guys around then contine to date assholes?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-12 03:25:54
May 12 2015 03:21 GMT
#4958
On May 12 2015 12:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Why do women complian about how there are no good guys around then contine to date assholes?


Because assholes are more fun than good guys and people rarely act upon anything except short term excitement. And a lot of guys who think they are "good guys" are really just pushovers, which no one finds attractive.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
May 12 2015 03:22 GMT
#4959
I think it's because you think you are a good guy but you are actually just unattractive.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
May 12 2015 03:31 GMT
#4960
On May 12 2015 12:22 IgnE wrote:
I think it's because you think you are a good guy but you are actually just unattractive.

Oh great now I'm gonna start turning gay
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