EPTYou find your own meaning. Unless you're religious I guess, but let's not get into that.
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
You find your own meaning. Unless you're religious I guess, but let's not get into that. | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
and the last couple sentences pretty much sum up my opinion on suicide. There are people that love and care about you, so stop being so fucking emo and deal with your shit. | ||
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sulliwan
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Mumpel
Germany8 Posts
 Edit: u might wanna read a little bit from Nietzsche or Heidegger if u want to dig deeper on that topic. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
To begin Id like to point out how it is only humans that feel the need to see things under the basis of time and space, knowing things within these dimensions are the basis of human reasoning. We are always aware of the passage of time and we can only perceive things as they move in our surroundings. Time dictates that everything will be destroyed eventually while space puts this into practice and makes us aware of the present and how it is in constant flux, why is it in flux? because of time. Memories are also built upon the basis that such things happened in the past, therefore the very nature of our perception leads us to believe that space(or the present state of things) dictates the present- (think of it like this, if Im wearing red glasses all the time, I am still seeing the world but I am operating on the basis that the world around me is red therefore colours like blue or green cannot exist within my perception, similarly we may see the world under the basis that it does in fact exist as a perpetual product of space and time and therefore we can perceive it as nothing else) -while the concept of time allows us to put our memories in context and perceive the potential existence or the inevitable occurrence of a future. Also typically the symptoms of what we consider madness is a distortion of what we are perceiving in space or even the inability to interpret memory as past. Which basically means that we as humans find non time/space related perceptions to be unnatural and therefore mad. The reason Im going through all this is to establish that perceptions and organizations of knowledge through time and space are inherently human qualities. This is the premise of my argument so if you don't agree with that then I am wrong in your eyes. Anyways, lets look at the qualities of space and time, if our perceptions of them are actually true then we may very well be living one moment and seemingly nothing in the next, if the universe is actually just a persistent flux then our brief moments of awareness(I am assuming that you don't want me to suggest that a 100000 year old dead pile of ash is still you and we are in fact our awareness and nothing more) really do mean nothing. Yet what if we perceived the flow of things differently? In a book called Slaughter house five( Im sure a lot of you guy have read it if not its an awesome book) This is exactly the case in regards to an alien species called trafalmadorians, they see things simultaneously, when they look at you they see a baby a man and an old coot all at once because they perceive all moments at the same time. If this were the case then from their perspective no moment ever dies and you would live on forever in countless instances while at the same time being dead in countless instances. If there perception is true you are apart of an ever present universe, to take you out of that universe would be unnatural and would fundamentally change it. You are important to and whose to say our shallow perception of time and space is at all better than theirs? Im not suggesting that their perception is necessarily truth I am only pointing out that our way of seeing things is very small and leads us to believe that we are nothing. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that our view of the universe is the end all be al so don't kill yourself just yet when so much of what we think is true is uncertain. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:16 Klaus1986 wrote: Ah, what it must feel like to be a teenager again and feel like one knows everything... Oh man, I can't put it any more eloquently than this. This thread is one of those strange curiosities where the temperance of age can siphon away what seems like an epiphany only years earlier. I had a similar one to the OPs story when I was 8 after confronting the nature of the universe and how small and alone everything we are will ever be. | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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DD.Beaver
Netherlands29 Posts
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On June 22 2011 22:58 JesusOurSaviour wrote: I laughed at what you wrote :D Um yea... I had those moments when I was a kid trying to fall asleep to the clock ticking... I would think about all kinds of things, like Why are we alive? What if time stops ticking for me... do I just cease to exist when I die? Meaning of the universe?. THankfully God has rescued me from a lot of mishaps and provide all the answers which plagued me as a child. Jesus says "Come" to all of you  While I dont think this kid should kill himself, I dont think his answer is to be found in lying to himself and believing in magic. Just because theirs no point to living, doesn't mean there is a point to dying. Nihilism is fun though. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
On June 23 2011 00:31 sulliwan wrote: How can anyone contemplate the vastness and the complexity of the universe and be so egotistical as to only consider how he looks compared to it? I like this post | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
But I'm not really sure about this one guys, chaos theory states that my every minute action *could* be causing catastrophic events on the other side of the universe, so cheer up, there's a remote chance that by making this thread you're causing an intergalactic war 10 billion years from now, and that's way more bad ass than suicide. Your welcome. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
He's right in one sense (that its our only home), but wrong in another (being humbled?), and so is your friend. It doesn't really matter how large the universe is relative to us, or how large earth is relative to the lands people fight over or the scope of world issues to your personal problems. I always thought it was kind of irrational to say that just because there are bigger problems, or larger "things" out there, that your issues don't matter. I can't think of any logical reasoning that would explain how, just because we occupy a fraction of a fraction of our galaxy and universe that therefore our problems don't matter. Its strange to try to anthropomorphize the universe in this way...and say well in some part of the universe galaxies are colliding, and you're complaining about your job? Get real! Its just so silly..you have to have a realistic sense of proportion, and acknowledge *your* importance and size to the issues you face, not pretend that they don't exist because to the universe its so small. Its nonsense | ||
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Mikkerthebhu
Denmark154 Posts
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
If life is a game, then why refuse to play? Life includes not only happiness, but also pain. Refusing to play includes nothing. You will not be happy. You will not feel pain. Pain and happiness go hand in hand. | ||
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tiffany
3664 Posts
Think about the world 100 years from now. will Mcdonald's still be around? Coke? IBM? Nike? Google? Apple? (ibm celebrated its 100th birthday last week) Take it one step further. Can you imagine an archaeologist in 1000 years, digging in the sand and finding these huge golden arches? What can this be, he asks. Must be some shrine to some unknown god. Upon further examination, he concludes that there is perhaps a slight resemblance to the ancient ying yang symbol. I was talking with a friend about the meaning of life. He told me about the Eqyptians. Some 5000 years ago, there was some guy who was the head man for the pyramids. Every morning, he'd get up, kiss the wife and kids goodbye, climb into his chariot and go off to work. He was a real important guy in his time. Men respected him. Women adored him. Princes held him in great respect. On his way home, he'd often stop at the market to pick of bread and eggs for breakfast the next morning. Sometimes he might stop off at the Egyptian equivalent of KFC to pick up dinner. When he'd pull up to the house, the dog would bark, the kids would run to the door and shout, "Daddy's home!" (in Egyptian) and so it was. Well one day that guy died. Today, he is not remembered. For all we know he might be nothing but a figment of my friend's imagination. But, let's say he was real. Today - he is forgotten. Just like you and I will be forgotten. Same thing with some of the companies mentioned earlier. The lesson? Live life like it means something. Enjoy it to the fullest. Don't take any crap from anyone - life's too short. Don't worry about anything. Hug the people you love. Go ahead and eat the skin off the damned chicken. Don't be afraid to have another piece of that cherry pie. Enjoy yourself. Live, love, laugh. | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
On June 22 2011 22:47 Darkalbino wrote: Obviously my friend is still alive, but it was interesting to see these few reactions, some were empathetic, the majority were critical so far. It was intriguing to see his logic though, obviously lacking the fundamental "its not where you're going, but how you get there that matters" aspect of it. No one tries to kill themselves saying or thinking, "I can have an impact in this huge universe"... Not a new philosophy at all and I am surprised there are people out there who can not figure out this way of thought related to suicide. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18394 Posts
On June 23 2011 01:47 tiffany wrote: The lesson? Live life like it means something. Enjoy it to the fullest. Don't take any crap from anyone - life's too short. Don't worry about anything. Hug the people you love. Go ahead and eat the skin off the damned chicken. Don't be afraid to have another piece of that cherry pie. Enjoy yourself. Live, love, laugh. Yes, because dying of obesity when you're 45 is the best way of living life to the fullest!  | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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Enhancer_
Canada320 Posts
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