At times I do think that if I were to die, people would mourn my death then would just go on living like nothing ever happened. There's that feeling of insignificance and the drive to make the decision look logical. (I don't think of actually doing it, its not in me)

I like to philosophize about random things, so I understand his point. However suicide is not just stupid (hence illogical) its also not worth it.

Kickboxer

Slovenia1308 Posts

June 22 2011 13:50 GMT

#23

I wonder how many galaxies fit in the human imagination ^_^

homeless_guy

United States321 Posts

June 22 2011 13:52 GMT

#24

Choose Life! It's more fun

ForgottenOne

Romania236 Posts

June 22 2011 13:52 GMT

#25

That's just bad logic (ie. "nothing really matters hence I need to suicide myself"; this is as valid of an argument as "nothing really matters hence I'm gonna go out, pickup a couple of girls and have a sweet sweet threesome" or "nothing really matters hence I'm gonna go out and get some ice cream, since I'm only thirteen"; and in addition to bad logic, the other two actually sound fun).

If nothing really matters, why not play Starcraft2 now, eat something good tasting later, go out with friends tonight, maybe find a girl, have some sweet love, then a good night sleep. Then wake up and repeat. It may not really matter but sure sounds more fun than dieing today. If it doesn't matter, you might as well die of old age or in a car accident or whatever; cause obviously there's no reason to die right now or today or really soon - because it actually doesn't matter when you die.

Sure, you have to work tomorrow or have other tasks that are not that fun. But it actually doesn't matter since they're soon over and back to having fun.

WhiteDog

France8650 Posts

June 22 2011 13:57 GMT

#26

There is already a well known and recognized book who gives a scientifical approach to suicide called Suicide from Emile Durkheim :

And it has nothing to do with epiphany or some deep shit like that... lol

JesusOurSaviour

United Arab Emirates1141 Posts

June 22 2011 13:58 GMT

#27

On June 22 2011 22:49 whiteguycash wrote:
And thus nihilism was born

I laughed at what you wrote :D

Um yea... I had those moments when I was a kid trying to fall asleep to the clock ticking... I would think about all kinds of things, like Why are we alive? What if time stops ticking for me... do I just cease to exist when I die? Meaning of the universe?. THankfully God has rescued me from a lot of mishaps and provide all the answers which plagued me as a child. Jesus says "Come" to all of you

StorkHwaiting

United States3465 Posts

June 22 2011 13:58 GMT

#28

This is nothing new. It's called existential nihilism. It's what happened when people started studying science instead of believing they were special children of some creator god.

RebirthOfLeGenD

USA5860 Posts

June 22 2011 14:00 GMT

#29

This is thread is more pointless than life. Which to you says something. Whether we go to heaven or don't exist when we die, who cares how insignificant the world is? Enjoy the life you have, be proud of what you have done while you still have the presence to appreciate it.

lozarian

United Kingdom1043 Posts

June 22 2011 14:01 GMT

#30

There's also the element that quite a lot of someone's life is driven towards a goal.

when you're young you're told you need to work hard at school, to get good grades, to get into a good secondary, to get good GCSEs, to get good A levels, to get to a good university, to get a good job and a good life etc.etc.

If you've been told this string of things to do, and that's all you understand, realising its futility is essentially cutting off all meaning of life. That quite quickly extends to "all action is pointless, inaction may as well happen instead" - and the ultimate inaction is death.

Obvioiusly that's just because doing nothing is easier than going and having a lot of fun, but depression is, well, depressing. You don't see a lot of motivated, highly active depressives for a reason.

It's not that hard to a jump from "everything I've done so far is pointless, and everything I will ever do is equally so" to "fuck it, I may as well not exist any more, since if that's where I'm heading anyway and this feels like shit, I may as well speed up the process"

[F_]aths

Germany3947 Posts

June 22 2011 14:03 GMT

#31

On June 22 2011 22:11 Darkalbino wrote:
Hearing this was obviously confronting - has anyone comments or other examples of suicide inducing epiphanies they've encountered?

No. But Richard Dawkins made a good argument once (reciting from memory.)

We, who are destined to die, are the lucky ones. Because we lived. Most are never born.

Acrofales

Spain18438 Posts

June 22 2011 14:05 GMT

#32

I was gobsmacked by the philosophical ramblings of this 13 year old. I really truly believe him to be the next Nietzsche. No, really! Please encourage him to write more of these semi-coherent platitudes so I can bask in his glorious epiphanies... and then go kill myself for being so absolutely insignificant.

PS. And for the love of basilisks everywhere, please change the title of this thread as this has nothing to do with literature whatsoever.

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

June 22 2011 14:09 GMT

#33

On June 22 2011 22:19 Megaliskuu wrote:
Sounds like a kid trying to be "deep"

Ya, except that it makes sense.

TwilightStar

United States649 Posts

June 22 2011 14:11 GMT

#34

On June 22 2011 22:58 JesusOurSaviour wrote:

Show nested quote +

Oh god...

Xiron

Germany1233 Posts

June 22 2011 14:13 GMT

#35

I agree with the "philosophical ramblings of this 13 year old" since it's plain true.

Osmoses

Sweden5302 Posts

June 22 2011 14:13 GMT

#36

This is something I think most (non-religious) people figure out at one point or other during adolescence. It either kills you or makes you stronger. I'm still alive, and I take great comfort in the fact that nothing I do really matters. It helps me relax, and not take everything so seriously.

Rakanishu2

United States475 Posts

June 22 2011 14:14 GMT

#37

You think the inventor of anything that is used globally thinks his life was too short and meaningless? Record setting athletes that are now immortal thanks to video capture? Presidents of countries that will live in honor or infamy?

Carras

Argentina860 Posts

June 22 2011 14:15 GMT

#38

no, i just admire the greatness of the universe, and even though you say we r nothing, we are amazing beings, the sole amazing fact that counciosness has arisen from dead matter has to be enough to counter those suicide thougths i think

Klaus1986

United States113 Posts

June 22 2011 14:16 GMT

#39

Ah, what it must feel like to be a teenager again and feel like one knows everything...

Xiron

Germany1233 Posts

June 22 2011 14:19 GMT

#40

On June 22 2011 23:15 Carras wrote:
no, i just admire the greatness of the universe, and even though you say we r nothing, we are amazing beings, the sole amazing fact that counciosness has arisen from dead matter has to be enough to counter those suicide thougths i think

Yeah we are so amazing that in 10000 years we have destroyed ourselfs, our planet and all 'counciousness arisen from dead matter' and in the end it was meaningless and nothing at all.