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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
Only on a universal scale. If look at it from a personal scale you'll probably get why suicide isn't the greatest idea. Edit: and even on a universal scale, just because your actions will have no meaning in the grand scheme of things does that mean that your actions are meaningless? | ||
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
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Klaus1986
United States113 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:26 eluv wrote: All I want to know is where the title "The Basilisk of Literature" comes from. I believe he's referring to the Basilisk in Harry Potter. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18206 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:31 Klaus1986 wrote: I believe he's referring to the Basilisk in Harry Potter. If this is true, the title is even dumber than I thought. And I thought it was just complete and utter nonsense. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
1) Either you are an atheist, and believes pretty much that this is it. 2) Or you are religious, and should live according to your religion to reap the benefits in the afterlife. 3) Or you aren't sure, and really ought to figure out what you believe, and not burn too many bridges until you do. As an atheist, I believe this is it. This is the life I live, and when it's done, there's nothing more. No continued existence, nothing more. That everything is meaningless considering the big picture, doesn't mean you should consider your actions in the big picture. You should live for yourself and those around you. That is, if you care about them. I like Heinleins definition of love - you love someone when their happiness is essential to your own. I don't think suicide is inherently wrong. Nor do I think the death penalty is. It should be every persons right to chose whether or not they find their own life worth living. If they don't, I think they should have the right to end it. But that ought to be based on whether or not continuing to live will give you more pleasure than pain, because I believe that when life ends, there's nothing more for you, and it stops there. If you are a devout christian, who believe that suicide leads you to hell, it doesn't make any sense to kill yourself ... your viewpoint on religion, should influence how you feel about suicide I feel. Since this life is all you get, you should, imho, have a strong incentive to make the most of it. For yourself. Not like you lived in the past and can change that, and not like you will be alive in the future to see what will happen then. Excepting some miraculous medical breakthrough in the near future, and it becoming available to you. Taking care of yourself, and those you care about, should be the main consideration of most peoples life. Do whatever the %¤# you want, since nothing matter - sure. But will hurting someone, going to jail, be in prison for decades, lead you to have a more enjoyable experience than finding someone to love and live with them? That's up to you to answer of course ... Even if you would spent the rest of your life in a basement playing games browsing the net and never go out because you are scared of other people, given the alternative being absolutely nothing, I don't see it as obvious that that life isn't worth living till the end. It's all you are going to get anyway. From my viewpoint. Why should you care that your life doesn't matter? I don't believe anyones life matter. Don't see me going around killing them either. It's just not in my best interest to do - since I don't believe being in prison is likely to lead me to more happiness than ... well, not going to jail. tl;dr: The fallacy in the original post is implying that life being meaningless means it's not worth living. Not true. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:19 Xiron wrote: Yeah we are so amazing that in 10000 years we have destroyed ourselfs, our planet and all 'counciousness arisen from dead matter' and in the end it was meaningless and nothing at all. Yes all our advancements in social justice and science are nothing. There are always two sides to any story, you can't even say that there's a bad side of a story or a good side, there are just multiple ways of looking at a story. I think we all take our lives for granted now a days, we don't look at how things actually were not that great back in the day. Racism, discrimination and sexism were rampant and just a part of everyday life where in these days people try to teach and live with tolerance and understanding. Of course there will always be bad things that happen but that's life. No one complains when their life is blessed, so you shouldn't when things go sour. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The average life span of an American is 78.11 years. That’s only a total of 2, 464, 911, 489.86 seconds. The universe is approximately 13, 750, 000, 000 years old. You will live for 0.000000568% of the universe’s current age. The universe may last anywhere from 10 trillion years to a googolplex. There is approximately 200-400 billion stars in our galaxy. If you could travel to another star instantaneously from birth to death. Only spending 1 second exploring each star. You would only see 0.5-1.0% of the total stars in our galaxy before dying of old age. There is approximately 100-200 billion galaxies in the known universe. Each galaxy can contain hundreds of billions of stars. There is over 100 sextillion stars in our universe. Most stars have the potential to have their own system of planets. Each exoplanet within that system holds a chance of harbouring life. Your time in the universe is completely insignificant and so is your existence. In the grand scale of things I think life is completely pointless, but on a personal scale it's the only thing that matters. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Maybe it's because I'm a bit of a poker player and I love when Lady Luck is on my side  But those epiphanies only make me feel grateful for existence, not cynical. Other things make me cynical. Like the government. Grrrrr. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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Szordrin
Switzerland151 Posts
 remembers me of drunken philosophy.. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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Flameberger
United States226 Posts
Let's say you and 5 other people are living on a planet with a circumference of 1 mile. There is no other matter in the universe. Sound better? | ||
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Wargable
United States107 Posts
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Darkalbino
Australia410 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:38 Krohm wrote: The OP really reminds me of something I quickly wrote up a while ago. I'm not here to debate this so please don't call me out on the last sentence. Due to the fact that existence in itself is subjective and up for interpretation. + Show Spoiler + The average life span of an American is 78.11 years. That’s only a total of 2, 464, 911, 489.86 seconds. The universe is approximately 13, 750, 000, 000 years old. You will live for 0.000000568% of the universe’s current age. The universe may last anywhere from 10 trillion years to a googolplex. There is approximately 200-400 billion stars in our galaxy. If you could travel to another star instantaneously from birth to death. Only spending 1 second exploring each star. You would only see 0.5-1.0% of the total stars in our galaxy before dying of old age. There is approximately 100-200 billion galaxies in the known universe. Each galaxy can contain hundreds of billions of stars. There is over 100 sextillion stars in our universe. Most stars have the potential to have their own system of planets. Each exoplanet within that system holds a chance of harbouring life. Your time in the universe is completely insignificant and so is your existence. In the grand scale of things I think life is completely pointless, but on a personal scale it's the only thing that matters. Wow, so similar. Hivemind. | ||
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process
Australia9 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:35 aebriol wrote: tl;dr: The fallacy in the original post is implying that life being meaningless means it's not worth living. Not true. ^ Explains it all. Death is just as meaningless as life. In life you just still feel joy. | ||
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zerglingrodeo
United States910 Posts
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
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Yiska
141 Posts
On June 22 2011 23:55 zerglingrodeo wrote: I love how the words 'objective' and 'logical' are usually attached to the most hilariously inane things. While this thread is pushing hilarious... | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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