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On December 30 2011 21:21 StevoH wrote:
So before the lockdown I was rank 1 bronze on EU server. I had learnt on how to macro and how to scout terran and zerg builds, (early gas for zerg.... usually means bling bust or bling/ling,muta, early roach warren usually means a roach allin as bronze eu zergs dont know how to do anything else, a terran who goes for 1/1/1 opening and has a factory with a tech lab? More than likely its a banshee opening). I have been doing well in tvt and tvz, however in tvp I keep loosing to 2base goddame all ins. The protoss's in the top 8 of my division at the end of season 4 started to 4gate everything and soon I fell to rank 5. Then my placement match happens, and guess what its a tvp, and even worse its a 4gate. I throw down bunkers but he uses the back door in your natural on Arid Plateau. Great just great, and ofc when i play the next 4 games (they were all tvt's and tvz's) i won them. I cant help but think that if the game was a tvt or a tvz id be in silver now. Least im winning again, but im pissed coz i really wanted to get a promotion.
Then a few days ago, I have another tvp and another 4gate (big suprise). I decide to try a banshee opening and it was successful, I forced him to stop mining killed a good amount of probes, however im still learning to macro and micro with banshees, so my macro slipped. I saw his 4gate bunkered up managed to defend and pick off a colossi, however he just decided to run his stalkers into my base past my bunkers (it was on xel naga). And thats when i loose it, the son of a bitch then tells me to surrender, and thats when the Bm starts. I decided to go float my buildings out to the corner of the map and tell him that he has to do something other than a 2base all in if he wants to win.I come back a little later and he tells me learn to play. A SILVER PLAYER WHO DOSE NOTHING BUT 2BASE ALL IN TELLS ME TO LEARN THE GAME. I wont stand for this, so I start to bm. Ofc he responds with stupid statements like 'I pwned you noob'' (that obviously tells me that he's not a smart person, I hate the expression 'i pawned you' it sounds really stupid when people use it.) So thats when his phionex find my floating buildings and I tell him to F off, straight away after he uses that stupid expression. I quit the game (he found my buildings so there was no reason to stay). Block him and later find that he did the exact same thing to another terran after getting 6pooled the next game.
Bdw im usually very mannered on the ladder, I always glhf and this guy didn't respond when I did that (On bronze that usually indicate's to some kind of cheese). As for my regulations on bm, I'll never bm a player unless he Bm's me first.This is my first bad experience with someone during a ladder game. bdw. And i hate the fact the these are the players who are getting promoted, coz all they do is 2 base all in every game. I can macro (got a bit of coaching from a masters player), and that's the reason why i did so well before the ladder lock-down. Im really pissed that blizz thinks that a player who dose 2base all in's and talks like a idiot is better than someone who can macro in a league where most players dont macro. Not only that he used the same strategy that cost me my promotion.
+ Show Spoiler +Banshees off 1 base isn't much less gimmicky than a 2 base all in in PvT to be frank. Moreover, I'm sure most of these situations are just preventable by improving macro, or even adapting to safer openings like 2 rax pressure that won't die straight up to 4 gate if you handle the situation correctly (if you really think 4 gate is that much of an issue for you in PvT).
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On December 30 2011 22:08 Troublesome wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 21:21 StevoH wrote:
So before the lockdown I was rank 1 bronze on EU server. I had learnt on how to macro and how to scout terran and zerg builds, (early gas for zerg.... usually means bling bust or bling/ling,muta, early roach warren usually means a roach allin as bronze eu zergs dont know how to do anything else, a terran who goes for 1/1/1 opening and has a factory with a tech lab? More than likely its a banshee opening). I have been doing well in tvt and tvz, however in tvp I keep loosing to 2base goddame all ins. The protoss's in the top 8 of my division at the end of season 4 started to 4gate everything and soon I fell to rank 5. Then my placement match happens, and guess what its a tvp, and even worse its a 4gate. I throw down bunkers but he uses the back door in your natural on Arid Plateau. Great just great, and ofc when i play the next 4 games (they were all tvt's and tvz's) i won them. I cant help but think that if the game was a tvt or a tvz id be in silver now. Least im winning again, but im pissed coz i really wanted to get a promotion.
Then a few days ago, I have another tvp and another 4gate (big suprise). I decide to try a banshee opening and it was successful, I forced him to stop mining killed a good amount of probes, however im still learning to macro and micro with banshees, so my macro slipped. I saw his 4gate bunkered up managed to defend and pick off a colossi, however he just decided to run his stalkers into my base past my bunkers (it was on xel naga). And thats when i loose it, the son of a bitch then tells me to surrender, and thats when the Bm starts. I decided to go float my buildings out to the corner of the map and tell him that he has to do something other than a 2base all in if he wants to win.I come back a little later and he tells me learn to play. A SILVER PLAYER WHO DOSE NOTHING BUT 2BASE ALL IN TELLS ME TO LEARN THE GAME. I wont stand for this, so I start to bm. Ofc he responds with stupid statements like 'I pwned you noob'' (that obviously tells me that he's not a smart person, I hate the expression 'i pawned you' it sounds really stupid when people use it.) So thats when his phionex find my floating buildings and I tell him to F off, straight away after he uses that stupid expression. I quit the game (he found my buildings so there was no reason to stay). Block him and later find that he did the exact same thing to another terran after getting 6pooled the next game.
Bdw im usually very mannered on the ladder, I always glhf and this guy didn't respond when I did that (On bronze that usually indicate's to some kind of cheese). As for my regulations on bm, I'll never bm a player unless he Bm's me first.This is my first bad experience with someone during a ladder game. bdw. And i hate the fact the these are the players who are getting promoted, coz all they do is 2 base all in every game. I can macro (got a bit of coaching from a masters player), and that's the reason why i did so well before the ladder lock-down. Im really pissed that blizz thinks that a player who dose 2base all in's and talks like a idiot is better than someone who can macro in a league where most players dont macro. Not only that he used the same strategy that cost me my promotion.
+ Show Spoiler +Banshees off 1 base isn't much less gimmicky than a 2 base all in in PvT to be frank. Moreover, I'm sure most of these situations are just preventable by improving macro, or even adapting to safer openings like 2 rax pressure that won't die straight up to 4 gate if you handle the situation correctly (if you really think 4 gate is that much of an issue for you in PvT).
Thanks for the response, Im going to be honest, that was the second time Ive used banshee's in tvp, and by the way i wasn't on 1 base that game i was on 2bases, I was trying different things out in tvp. I used to do 2rax pressure expo but i find that its not effective. The players im up against know how to deal with it, id rather focus on macro than pressure to be honest. I think you are correct though, and im not angry about that particular game, i tried a different approach to 4gate than im not used to, I deserved to loose the game for that, not because of bad skill, but because of not having enough experience with banshees's in general and macroing while using them . I usually do the standard builds. I think my build that game was kinda greedy as-well.
Obviously the next question is, well if that's the case, then what am I complaining about, well im just pissed over the guys attitude, he didn't glhf after I did and he was arrogant enough to tell me to surrender. I can take losses but Im not putting up with players like that. Thanks again for the response though and the advice.
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+ Show Spoiler +Worthless protoss players who think they are actually good at the game cuz they can allin every single game in like 20 different ways from 1 base.
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+ Show Spoiler +Rampage, Nomad, and fucking Tremble, three most annoying heroes in HoN, such a pain to deal with, especially tremble mid, HOLY SHIT. that is all.
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On December 30 2011 23:53 GGitsJack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Rampage, Nomad, and fucking Tremble, three most annoying heroes in HoN, such a pain to deal with, especially tremble mid, HOLY SHIT. that is all.
dont play pubs ? :D
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+ Show Spoiler +I have a feeling that only a true moron designed team ladder. Fucking unfair system. I hope the guy gets fired asap. And wtf?! Only rush @!@!@@#
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On December 30 2011 23:43 Swwww wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Worthless protoss players who think they are actually good at the game cuz they can allin every single game in like 20 different ways from 1 base.
Funny I thought that was Terran?  what options from protoss? 4 gate, 3 gate void, DT rush 3 gate robo,3 gate blink. thats it.
Terran: proxy 2 rax, 3 rax all in, cloaked banshees, double stargate Banshee, 3 rax all in, siege tank all in, 111. list is endless
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On December 31 2011 02:20 SpeCtor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 23:43 Swwww wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Worthless protoss players who think they are actually good at the game cuz they can allin every single game in like 20 different ways from 1 base. Funny I thought that was Terran? what options from protoss? 4 gate, 3 gate void, DT rush 3 gate robo,3 gate blink. thats it. Terran: proxy 2 rax, 3 rax all in, cloaked banshees, double stargate Banshee, 3 rax all in, siege tank all in, 111. list is endless
You forgot 1 gate proxy, 2 gate proxy, 4 gate blink, 5 gate zealot, cannon rush, one base collosus.
Also all those Terran allins are quite rare bar 1/1/1. I almost never hear or see Terrans do half of those builds, and 2port banshee isn't a 1 base allin.
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This thread is going on my bookmarks.
+ Show Spoiler +FUCK GODDAMMIT I fucking HATE TvZ so much right now. I try to fucking play mech because I hate marines, and every fucking time Mutalisks wreck my shit. I hate that 3 zerglings can kill 2 hellions and I hate that 3 mutalisks can kill 1 thor. FUCK.
I also hate the shit out of balance whining. I fucking hate when I actually beat a zerg (like 3/10 games at this point) and they're like TERRAN OP U SUCK-- I mean fuck. I just one a game in my worst MU and you're going to be a dick like that? Jesus.
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When you get a new dog, they cry for a week or two because they miss their previous family, but then they're all good. I split with a girl almost 5 months ago and still have trouble getting over her. Dogs are more emotionally adept than me. T.T
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+ Show Spoiler +bullshit terran can just 6rax herp derp mass marines and protoss cant do shit until t3 splash damage, what a joke
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On December 31 2011 03:14 mbr2321 wrote:This thread is going on my bookmarks. + Show Spoiler +FUCK GODDAMMIT I fucking HATE TvZ so much right now. I try to fucking play mech because I hate marines, and every fucking time Mutalisks wreck my shit. I hate that 3 zerglings can kill 2 hellions and I hate that 3 mutalisks can kill 1 thor. FUCK.
I also hate the shit out of balance whining. I fucking hate when I actually beat a zerg (like 3/10 games at this point) and they're like TERRAN OP U SUCK-- I mean fuck. I just one a game in my worst MU and you're going to be a dick like that? Jesus.
+ Show Spoiler +If you add just a tiny amount of marines to your mech pushes, you'll laugh at mutalisks. Also, spread your thors and be sure to upgrade mech armor as well as attack. Proceed to a-move and lollercaust the Zerg.
People bitch at you when you win because, when played well, Terran is a fucking bitch for Zerg to deal with.
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On December 31 2011 02:31 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 02:20 SpeCtor wrote:On December 30 2011 23:43 Swwww wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Worthless protoss players who think they are actually good at the game cuz they can allin every single game in like 20 different ways from 1 base. Funny I thought that was Terran? what options from protoss? 4 gate, 3 gate void, DT rush 3 gate robo,3 gate blink. thats it. Terran: proxy 2 rax, 3 rax all in, cloaked banshees, double stargate Banshee, 3 rax all in, siege tank all in, 111. list is endless You forgot 1 gate proxy, 2 gate proxy, 4 gate blink, 5 gate zealot, cannon rush, one base collosus. Also all those Terran allins are quite rare bar 1/1/1. I almost never hear or see Terrans do half of those builds, and 2port banshee isn't a 1 base allin.
Same thing with those Protoss builds?
I recall 1 game of a 4 gate blink Stalker all in. That was Tyler vs Thorzain like game 2 or 3 of TSL3. Oh, I think Nani also tried it vs him in TSL3.
5 gate Zealot? wtf is that? Cannon rush vs Terran? Doesn't work. One base Colossus is garbage.
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+ Show Spoiler +1. Start a PvT.
2. Get raged at by the Terran at how overpowered Protoss is.
3. Terran insta-walls so I can't get a probe in to scout his base.
4. Go super safe gate robo gate gate, send an observer to his base to get a full scout...
5. As my observer gets to his base, his proxy cloaked banshees start attacking me.
6. Pull my units the best I can as my observer comes back.
7. The rest of his 1/1/1 comes and kills me.
Yeah okay.
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+ Show Spoiler +why the fucking fuck does iccup have too high latency for me to play fuck this shit
and i hate these fucking scum garbage scrub terrans who think they can kill my 3rd base with someee mm, and succeed doing so, i mean zerg has to do so much more on nooblevel to deffend the fuching third.
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+ Show Spoiler +Kill natural in PvZ. Sit on two base. He expands and I lose. Try to go to 3 base. Get third killed and I lose. Kill all mutalisks. Lose to mass roach. Prepare for mass roach. He makes mutas.
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+ Show Spoiler +Now this thread makes my blood boil. LURKERS U SAY TO DEFEND thE FUCJKING third ? ANd if i dont have lurkers? EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? he? ZERG HAS TO DEFEND WITH 11 mutas. 11 mutas and some zerglings, against a whole army of marines and medics and bunkers and turrets. zerg has to micro like fuck, something a T player never experiences T players just 1a because 1 control group is enough to fucking destroy the zerg. And I especially hate terrans who say that terran is hardest to play. I AM LOOKING AT YOU, KT ROLSTER FANBOIS!!!!!!!except sawa, he atleast knows the intricacies of zerg
KT ANTI-VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, and if someone reads this: how is ZvZ over there in SC2? havent played it in a long time. has it sunk down to levels like BW ZvZ?
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+ Show Spoiler +Why the fuck does my math teacher think it's even remotely acceptable to clip his fucking nails while the class is dead silent taking a test. What the fuck? Seriously, it's not even like he did it once, he's done it numerous times.
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And I am not drunk.
I am only drunk of anger and wrath.
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