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On June 14 2011 03:12 Blix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 03:09 Kipsate wrote:On June 14 2011 03:06 Blix wrote:On June 14 2011 02:53 Redlol wrote:On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote:
Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option? Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier. Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily. A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal. What? a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less). It's 20% not 20 grams - a banana is like 150g so 30g sugar; coca cola contains 10.6% of sugar or 35ish grams per 330g can.. The point is that we are very much influenced by perception about what is healthy/unhealthy. Fruit must be good and energy drinks must be bad.. but it really does come down to moderation and how and when etc.
Going to jump on the off-topic discussion here and point out that it's also significant of what type the sugars in the two foods are. Fructose is not the same as dextrose or sucrose. Yes, fruits are high in sugar as far as natural foods go - but they're still natural foods, and as such contain many vitamins and minerals that we need, as well as providing straight calories.
That out of the way, I think advertising at all in progaming (or commercials in general really) is pretty ridiculous. I didn't watch a single MLG commercial, besides to check what the hell reason there was for the BING commercial to be so loud. When I did look at the BING commercial, it just made me angry - and guess what? I still haven't used the product. I use google, because it's a superior service.
Hell, my favorite energy drink (when I do decide to drink them) is AMP. They're probably the least advertised out there - I've only seen their adds on nascar while channel surfing (and I don't even watch nascar). But when energy drinks were booming a few years ago, I tried all the brands out there (monster, rockstar, amp, redbull, etc. etc.) and I liked amp best so I drink it. I think the advice of friends was far bigger than any advertising in me making a choice.
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Energy drinks are too new, there are only very few cases of people dying to it. It will take a few more decades of people having hearth attacks because of energy drinks for it to get banned. Or at least more tightly regulated. If you talked about cigarettes being bad for health 100 years ago. Most people would have the same reaction as this thread. You'd still have people going "lol how can smoking be bad for your health"
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How the fuck can you die from energy drinks? People have been drinking mass caffeine for a hundred years.
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MC credited NOS for his improved condition at MLG
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I have spent a great deal of my life working in the ''extreme sports'' industry ( hate that title but that is the best way to name it for the sake of this discussion I guess ) and have seen first hand the amount of money energy drink sponsors are willing to pump into stuff. I don't personally drink the crap and to be honest I think it probably should be regulated ( another discussion for another time ) but they are huge companies that target young people. They are legitimate financial backers and because their names are so well known ( Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar..NOS) they definitely a bring about a legitimacy to e-sports and the teams they sponsor (ie. Monster for EG).
They pump money in to what we enjoy, as well as make it possible for events to become bigger,better, and easily accessible. If Bernie Madoff wants to give the NASL 100 grand for another season I could care less. And as someone else stated you could find something morally/ethically wrong with most corporations that have the backing to throw money at something like an SC2 team.
One of the main distinctions between F1 and eSports that I would like to point out is that eSports organizations are not currently in a position to be selective. If in 10 years it has gotten to the point where there are sponsors clambering on TL and EG's doors then yeah they could definitely be selective and associate themselves with brands/images that they choose to.
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I see nothing wrong with energy drinks sponsoring E-sports. They are about as unhealthy as a normal soda anyway, jsut cost more money. Most of them have less caffeine than a cup of coffe too.
Personally I prefer asian energy drinks like thai-redbull, M-150 ect. They are more concentrated and taste better.
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Honestly, imo energy drinks are necessary sponsors, as they are the first step to more sponsors. Soon, I am sure that with sponsors like monster, and red bull sponsoring sc2 teams, and other companies see their success, they too will get in on the action. Hey, who knows, maybe one day TL may be sponsored by like Nike or Adidas.
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Although I can see why some might find it concerning, I don't think it's feasible to be so selective about sponsorships. If you want to see negatives, there will always be negatives to be found with just about any potential sponsor. Clothing companies are often fueled by sweatshop labor, energy companies tend to pollute the world they power, and electronics companies create all sorts of hazardous waste and compound the problem by driving consumerism with their advertisements. The list really can go on and on depending on how far you feel like pushing it. Hell, Hite (a beer company) even sponsored a professional Korean Brood War team for a while... By comparison, energy drinks seem rather low in terms of negative imagery... Or at least I think so.
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On June 14 2011 05:48 Voltaire wrote:
Comparing energy drinks and cigarettes is ridiculous. Cigarettes are far worse for your health.
That comparison is exactly what the OP did by bringing up the F1 banning ads by cigarette companies. I agree they are FAR worse. Hence my post showing how silly the OP's post is.
The point here, which I think we both agree on, is that this is a very silly proposal.
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I don't really care either way if energy drink companies sponsor e-sports or not. It's not really that big of a deal, people are going to buy them or not buy them regardless of if they do or not. I guess the only difference is the people who are like "OMG X company sponsors e-sports, I MUST buy their products to continue e-sports!!!" .. but that's kind of their own fault to begin with, since it's kind of a silly mindset.
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It doesn't matter if energy drinks sponser for teams at all. They can maybe drink one can during a match as advertising and it wouldn't be any difference. Yeah it's not good for your health if you guzzle them down by the gallon, but it's not like it'll harm e-sports.
I do agree that energy drinks need to be taken in heavy moderation though (like I never drink more than one can per 24 hours and I rarely drink the stuff).
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You should have an additional poll option along the lines of:
"I think energy drinks are a good choice for e-sports sponsoring."
That said, I try to eat/drink fairly healthy, and I never drink energy drinks. However, since a lot of gamers do, it only makes sense for the companies to try and target their audience directly.
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It might portray e-sport as an soda drinking community which will not help e-sports grow out to a wider community.
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Personally, I don't think it's a problem. If people are stupid enough to drink an excess of energy drink because they sponsor something they like than that's their problem. They should know the risks and take precautionary measures. If it was my job to ensure stuff like this doesn't cause a bad health trend then I would have a different opinion, but on a personal level, I couldn't care less.
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I think that it's great that they are willing to support us. Energy drinks aren't the sponsor type that I would choose, but it's not a major issue to me.
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I don't think energy drinks are really all that much worse than fast food advertising, alcohol advertising, soft drink advertising like Coca Cola. All of them drunk to excess will adversely affect your health.
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On June 14 2011 00:54 Blix wrote:
It is very hard to find a company or a sector that doesn't have something wrong with it. It's just not feasible to be limited to 100% ethical/clean/healthy companies.
If a company makes enough money to be able to effectively sponsor E-Sports, they're not, "clean," or, "ethical."
Kinda sad, but true.
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I don't think it matters im not going to go buy monster just because they sponser EG, and gamers are going to drink energy drinks anyway, Why not give them more reason to buy a certain one.
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You have no positive opinion in your poll.
Lawl.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote:Recently, i wanted to write about Energy Drinks, sponsorship, and their role in esports for my weekly column on Rakakaworld. For a few reasons, mainly that i couldn't make up my mind and the site being on hiatus, i decided i couldn't do the subject justice on my own. Instead, i figure i'd start a discussion here about people's thoughts - assuming you have any. I don't want to name any brands, but i feel like energy drink sponsorship is a negative thing for esports. Obviously it's a good thing for the teams sponsored, but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health i can't say i like the idea of them advertising to the esports audience. Why us in particular? Well, the largest part of esports audience has a pretty huge overlap with who energy drinks are targetted and aimed at (obviously). I realise Formula One has a Red Bull team, but... well, frankly, this isn't an F1 forum. However, F1 is the place where a precedent for disallowing certain sponsorship was set. Cigarette ads used to be plastered all over F1 cars when i was growing up until they were eventually banned. Obviously, there is no governing body to make such a decision in esports. As much as i dislike the idea of esports being used as a marketing tool by energy drinks companies, it is clearly here to stay for the forseeable future. On top of that, it is probably a necessary evil. As much as the growth of SC2 has helped, there is still very little money in esports and every penny helps, even if it is earned by convincing kids to drink addictive chemicals. What do you think? Good? Bad? Don't really care? As for me, i guess i'll just continue to not buy them for myself and hope something better comes along for esports. Poll: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports?I don't care, why did you even make this thread? (373) 61% It's fine, every penny is needed (172) 28% I don't like it but there are bigger issues (51) 8% I think it should be stopped somehow (8) 1% Other, please explain (8) 1% 612 total votes Your vote: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports? (Vote): It's fine, every penny is needed
(Vote): I don't like it but there are bigger issues
(Vote): I think it should be stopped somehow
(Vote): I don't care, why did you even make this thread?
(Vote): Other, please explain
I put other and I will gladly explain why. For esports to grow you need to have sponsors involved; Sponsors are cumulative, they bring money into the industry and when other potential sponsors see the success of sponsors like Monster, they want to get into a cheap source of advertising. Even though your personal opinion about energy drinks is negative, doesn't mean that every one of your choices in the poll should be negative. I think that any sponsorship (especially the ones that don't involve computers- no offense to intel and co but seeing non-computer sponsors of computer games makes a bigger splash) is going to further the success of esports and starting in a new group is always a good thing.
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