Recently, i wanted to write about Energy Drinks, sponsorship, and their role in esports for my weekly column on Rakakaworld. For a few reasons, mainly that i couldn't make up my mind and the site being on hiatus, i decided i couldn't do the subject justice on my own. Instead, i figure i'd start a discussion here about people's thoughts - assuming you have any.
I don't want to name any brands, but i feel like energy drink sponsorship is a negative thing for esports. Obviously it's a good thing for the teams sponsored, but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health i can't say i like the idea of them advertising to the esports audience. Why us in particular? Well, the largest part of esports audience has a pretty huge overlap with who energy drinks are targetted and aimed at (obviously). I realise Formula One has a Red Bull team, but... well, frankly, this isn't an F1 forum.
However, F1 is the place where a precedent for disallowing certain sponsorship was set. Cigarette ads used to be plastered all over F1 cars when i was growing up until they were eventually banned.
Obviously, there is no governing body to make such a decision in esports. As much as i dislike the idea of esports being used as a marketing tool by energy drinks companies, it is clearly here to stay for the forseeable future. On top of that, it is probably a necessary evil. As much as the growth of SC2 has helped, there is still very little money in esports and every penny helps, even if it is earned by convincing kids to drink addictive chemicals.
What do you think? Good? Bad? Don't really care? As for me, i guess i'll just continue to not buy them for myself and hope something better comes along for esports.
Poll: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports?
I don't care, why did you even make this thread? (373)
61%
It's fine, every penny is needed (172)
28%
I don't like it but there are bigger issues (51)
8%
I think it should be stopped somehow (8)
1%
Other, please explain (8)
1%
612 total votes
Your vote: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports?
(Vote): It's fine, every penny is needed (Vote): I don't like it but there are bigger issues (Vote): I think it should be stopped somehow (Vote): I don't care, why did you even make this thread? (Vote): Other, please explain
It is very hard to find a company or a sector that doesn't have something wrong with it. It's just not feasible to be limited to 100% ethical/clean/healthy companies.
Do you have a problem with McDonalds or Coke sponsoring... well, anything?
Companies and corporations and brands are going to sponsor whatever they can, to help advertise. That's life.
It's up to the individual teams who are being asked to promote a given business to decide if that logo is worth posting on their uniforms or vehicles or signs.
I think for the growth of E-sports its what we need because energy drinks have such a rediculously big market. I also think that once people know whats going on with e-sports we should keep looking for sponsors like energy drinks and doritos because everyone knows about them and its like having a giant figs sticker on the windshield of a nascar car. I mean its good publicity.
I wish I could vote twice in this poll, because until eSports become established to the point where we can be picky and disallow certain sponsorship's or endorsements based on moral or health reasons, we do need every penny.
But I really don't care, and just because your team is sponsored by an energy drink doesn't mean you replace that energy drink with water. Being forced to drink some energy drink at events a couple of times a year isn't going to kill you.
Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
Energy drinks and gaming go a long way back and it's only natural for energy drink companys to want to sponsor esports. I don't see a big issue with this.
It doesn't really matter if they are allowed to sponsor or not. As long as a company is willing to spend money on sponsorship and advertisements why would it be detrimental to the scene? They aren't going to spend money on it if they can not see any benifeit from it. If you do not like them sponsoring e-sports then don't watch if an energy drink has its name in there somewhere.
F1 didn't set the precedence in banning tobacco sponsorship/advertising, it was W.H.O. This was the dumbest thing ever done for sports, tobacco companies pumped in so much revenue for these teams and leagues it was not even funny.
Energy drinks are the perfect sponsors for video games anyway, as far as I'm aware we drink a lot of the stuff. Not gonna lie after watching MLG I really want to try some NOX.
On June 14 2011 01:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Do you have a problem with McDonalds or Coke sponsoring... well, anything?
Companies and corporations and brands are going to sponsor whatever they can, to help advertise. That's life.
It's up to the individual teams who are being asked to promote a given business to decide if that logo is worth posting on their uniforms or vehicles or signs.
I don't see a reason to interfere.
Well, yeah i do have a problem with those companies, but that's another issue, albeit a related one. Esports is closer to my heart than most other sports (and i'm kind of a sports buff, so that means something) and the energy drink link is much appropriate than fast-food as things are. I remember when Complexity were sponsored by Subway for like 10 mins a few years ago and i wasn't especially thrilled by that either, it just wasn't on my mind quite as much as this is.
But honestly, i even voted for "bigger issues" myself, so yeah...
This health stuff is becoming fucking insane. Now advertising drinks is bad if they contain caffeine and sugar? Give me a break. I'd love teams being sponsored by Tobacco, Alcohol or Firearms companies
I do quite enjoy Rockstar Recovery... they at least aren't AS bad for you as regular rockstars lol. But I think energy drinks sponsoring teams and things is great. Nerds drink lots of energy drinks, so having those companies give back and sponsor teams and tournaments I think is a great thing.
This really takes the cake in the 'ESPORTS INTEGRITY' realm. So stupid. Soda is bad for you as well, and people drink that in much larger quantities. If soda was banned, do you have any idea how large the obesity rates would drop world wide?
as much as I hate cigarettes, the unilateral ban of tobbaccy ads in F1 and other sports and advertising mediums is incredibly dumb. Let individual teams, magazines, etc decide.
Aren't soft drinks more damaging to health than energy drinks? Energy drinks might have more sugar/caffeine measured liter by liter, but I've probably consumed 100-1000x more coke than redbull.
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: I wish I could vote twice in this poll, because until eSports become established to the point where we can be picky and disallow certain sponsorship's or endorsements based on moral or health reasons, we do need every penny.
But I really don't care, and just because your team is sponsored by an energy drink doesn't mean you replace that energy drink with water. Being forced to drink some energy drink at events a couple of times a year isn't going to kill you.
Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
The last part interests me. I'm generally not in favour of arbitrary government-set age limits on anything. But the article i was reading about energy drinks before i wrote this did suggest that kids are at risk of addiction and/or withdrawl. Me, i wouldn't touch those things with a bargepole any more, but the damage was already done when i was at uni. I guess, like any other drug, it's about information. The same article said that the US (the main consumers of energy drinks) also has the least amount of information on cans, which is worrying.
While we're at it we should also bring an end to Dr. Pepper, Hot Pockets and Doritos sponsoring MLG... ESPORTS is going to become extinct if don't start to get sponsorshiüs by huge salad-companies.
On June 14 2011 01:17 Hawk wrote: This really takes the cake in the 'ESPORTS INTEGRITY' realm. So stupid. Soda is bad for you as well, and people drink that in much larger quantities. If soda was banned, do you have any idea how large the obesity rates would drop world wide?
as much as I hate cigarettes, the unilateral ban of tobbaccy ads in F1 and other sports and advertising mediums is incredibly dumb. Let individual teams, magazines, etc decide.
I guess that's kinda the point. It's up to the individual to see adverts for stuff like energy drinks and cigarettes and just say "lol, no thanks." I just wondered what other people thought about it. I guess you could easily make the argument that clothing companies like Nike getting involved would be far worse for 'ESPORTS INTERGRITY.'
On June 14 2011 01:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Do you have a problem with McDonalds or Coke sponsoring... well, anything?
Companies and corporations and brands are going to sponsor whatever they can, to help advertise. That's life.
It's up to the individual teams who are being asked to promote a given business to decide if that logo is worth posting on their uniforms or vehicles or signs.
I don't see a reason to interfere.
Well, yeah i do have a problem with those companies, but that's another issue, albeit a related one. Esports is closer to my heart than most other sports (and i'm kind of a sports buff, so that means something) and the energy drink link is much appropriate than fast-food as things are. I remember when Complexity were sponsored by Subway for like 10 mins a few years ago and i wasn't especially thrilled by that either, it just wasn't on my mind quite as much as this is.
But honestly, i even voted for "bigger issues" myself, so yeah...
I get the idea you don't even know why you made this thread, and you are just sprouting off some thoughts that occurred to you. On one hand you mention the appropriateness of energy drink sponsoring esports because of possible links, and on the other hand you mention fast food advertising being a problem but it isn't an issue?
What isn't bad for ur health nowadays? For almost any product you can find something that's bad for you. I really couldn't care less who sponsors the teams, aslong as someone sponsors them
On June 14 2011 01:21 FliedLice wrote: Red Bull has its own F1 team now...
While we're at it we should also bring an end to Dr. Pepper, Hot Pockets and Doritos sponsoring MLG... ESPORTS is going to become extinct if don't start to get sponsorshiüs by huge salad-companies.
I'd love to see an end to their god damned adverts (or at least a mute button), but that's a whole other thread
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
However, some of the national conglomerates decided it'd be a good idea to ban it for people under 18, just as they decided to ban <2.25% alcohol drinks. But there is no legal precedent to enforce this at all. Since the government has investigated and concluded there is pretty much 0% risk with either substance.
I think energy drink sponsorship are great. A business that can spew cash on e-sports that's not directly related to computer hardware certainly makes it seem more legitimate in the general populations eyes as well. Imagine if Red Bull extreme-sport montages playing in sports bars included some sweet baneling landmines, that'd be pretty rad.
Energy drinks are not very dangerous at all either (unless you suffer from a heart condition), 90% of it is just media fearmongering. Not to say it's completely safe, drinking 20 a day is probably not good for you (I know some people who do, they seem fine for now).
Although it is kind of a stereotype that this industry will activly sponsor esports, it's good to see imo that new sectors invest in it which are not based around hardware-producing for example.
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
No they don't.
Then how do you explain the fact that the local grocery stores in Gothenburg and adjacent suburban areas have the age limit of 18 on all energy drinks?
All I can say is that if Red Bull didn't exist, half the awesome/weird/entertaining sports in this world wouldn't exist, they take shit to the next level, it may all be for the money, but man I love RedBull for what they do. So yeah, EnergyDrinks for E-sports is great, the more sponsors the merrier, and if e-sports takes off, trust me the energydrink companies are the only ones that will rent out times square for a multimillion dollar prizepool LAN.
I think it's simple marketing for energy drinks, i'd say most gamers (not all, calm the fuck down. MOST gamers) drink energy drinks while they play, and especially @ lan it's sort of a thing to have a nice cold energy drink with you. I've partnered with one energy drink company numerous times for local lans, sport their tag and get free cases for the weekend.
So yeah, it's a good thing and as it's already been said, any company investing money into esports that isn't directly related to computer hardware, cool by me, makes the big picture feel more legitimate.
On June 14 2011 01:15 blackone wrote: This health stuff is becoming fucking insane. Now advertising drinks is bad if they contain caffeine and sugar? Give me a break. I'd love teams being sponsored by Tobacco, Alcohol or Firearms companies
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
No they don't.
Then how do you explain the fact that the local grocery stores in Gothenburg and adjacent suburban areas have the age limit of 18 on all energy drinks?
I think Monster sponsoring EG team members is great, it is the largest company that I can think of to be involved in eSports. This means lots of extra money for the players so we can see more coverage from them.
I think the burden lies on the parents on this issue. I do not believe energy drinks are even as close to as harmful as cigarettes or alchohol. I drink them more than I should, but my mom (i'm 25) STILL gets mad at me every time I drink one because she knows how unnatural they are. If they were available when I was a kid, she DEFINITELY would not have allowed me to have them. I can understand her point of view on them for sure, but I obviously still drink them all the time.
You can obviously tell they are bad for you, you really should feel some sort of guilt if you over-consume ANYTHING if you think about it... its gluttonous. Every region is so different... parents here are probably a little more strict, hence why in Canada we have no age restrictions on energy drinks, although we were the last country to get them. Ours may be a little weaker than the US counterpart though, I really don't know that much about it.
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
No they don't.
Then how do you explain the fact that the local grocery stores in Gothenburg and adjacent suburban areas have the age limit of 18 on all energy drinks?
5hour energy has a minimum age of 18 to buy (US).
Need to be 16 to buy energy drinks in the UK (Up to the shops to enforce though if they chose). I found that out by getting IDed a few years back and talking to friends.
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
No they don't.
Then how do you explain the fact that the local grocery stores in Gothenburg and adjacent suburban areas have the age limit of 18 on all energy drinks?
As was stated in the spoiler, they got on their moral high-horse and decided to ban it. If you go to any smaller store which you can buy all the energy drinks you want legally. Same with light beer (ie. <2.25%). Concerned law is 2010:1622 §5, there is no law concerning energy drinks since no state is insane enough to dictate what you are allowed to drink, only what you are not allowed to drink.
I think that any big-wallet sponsors are good for E-sports. With energy drink X sponsoring a major event and getting lots of attention, energy drink Y might go for a different event/offer more money than X. Then, other companies will likely want a piece of that advertisement space. This would result in more money for E-sports.
On June 14 2011 01:04 SolHeiM wrote: Energy drinks have an age limit on them in Sweden (18, just like regular beer and cigarettes) so there are at least some regulations in place to prevent kids from getting hooked.
No they don't.
Then how do you explain the fact that the local grocery stores in Gothenburg and adjacent suburban areas have the age limit of 18 on all energy drinks?
5hour energy has a minimum age of 18 to buy (US).
Need to be 16 to buy energy drinks in the UK (Up to the shops to enforce though if they chose). I found that out by getting IDed a few years back and talking to friends.
Yeah I remember when 5hour energy first came out, I went to buy one (before I was 18) and they didn't sell it to me... I was shocked. Still haven't tried one, 21 now.
Dude, I love energy drinks and I want to see MORE sponsorship from sweet companies like Red Bull (the best), Rockstar, Monster, anything. Let's get that bear semen in there too.
Really glad someone made this thread as it's something that's also bothered me for a while.
In fact, despite being a huge fan of Team EG and wanting to support them I can't bring myself to buy a team shirt for the lone reason that said shirts have an energy drink logo on them.
Wearing such an emblem would fill me with an immense feeling of cognitive dissonance. I don't consume energy drinks and I think the image they perpetuate is childish and stupid. There's simply no way I could be a walking billboard for such a product.
They're one of the few things that make me embarrassed to like esports.
I got the same feeling at the trophy ceremony of the first IEM gamescom with the booth girls.
In that case I didn't like it because it perpetuated the stereotype that gamers were all horny teenage losers but I get the exact same feeling every time an energy drink company is plugged. It's just furthering to box in gamers as unhealthy slobs.
Not exactly energy drink related but on a similar note it struck a huge chord with me when Thorzain mentioned there was no water at MLG just an endless supply of Dr. Pepper.
Stuff like that I feel is a real elephant in the room. Everyone is willing to ignore unpleasant images like that because there's so few companies backing esports in the first place.
At the end of the day I don't think it's a serious detriment but it sure couldn't hurt to get a few sponsors that don't completely reinforce the fat greasy nerd stereotype.
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: ...but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health...
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
I love to see everyone use the whole moderation rule to justify something...
On topic: actually there have been studies done that provide links between negative effects on the body and energy drinks...
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: ...but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health...
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
I love to see everyone use the whole moderation rule to justify something...
On topic: actually there have been studies done that provide links between negative effects on the body and energy drinks...
Wasn't justifying anything. Just making note that drinking seven energy drinks a day is obviously bad for you, and excluding that from the scope of what I was discussing.
Also where are all these studies you are saying exist?
Nothing wrong with the 'In moderation' rule as you call it.. that's simply how most stuff works... There's been studies that show negative effects on the body and sunshine, puppies, rainbows (citation needed) so I wouldn't be too concerned personally.
Amazing to me that someone would even make a thread like this.. i had a huge thing typed out not gonna waste my time. If I have learned anything proving someone wrong means NOTHING online. Just amazing someone says that because they make energy drinks they shouldn't sponsor esports lol this is there consumers..
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: ...but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health...
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
I love to see everyone use the whole moderation rule to justify something...
On topic: actually there have been studies done that provide links between negative effects on the body and energy drinks...
Wasn't justifying anything. Just making note that drinking seven energy drinks a day is obviously bad for you, and excluding that from the scope of what I was discussing.
Also where are all these studies you are saying exist?
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: ...but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health...
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
I love to see everyone use the whole moderation rule to justify something...
On topic: actually there have been studies done that provide links between negative effects on the body and energy drinks...
Wasn't justifying anything. Just making note that drinking seven energy drinks a day is obviously bad for you, and excluding that from the scope of what I was discussing.
Also where are all these studies you are saying exist?
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A review published in 2008 found no documented reports of negative or positive health effects associated with the amount of taurine used in energy drinks, concluding that "The amounts of guarana, taurine, and ginseng found in popular energy drinks are far below the amounts expected to deliver either therapeutic benefits or adverse events".[58]
Straight from the Wikipedia page, with the link available there for further information I suppose
you see people like monster sponsoring extreme spots such as gymkhana, bmx stuff etc, and look how big theyre getting nowadays, everyone loves watching them.
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: ...but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health...
On June 14 2011 01:12 ZiegFeld wrote: Stuff like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar are liquid poison.
Anything to back up these claims? Anything is bad in excess, but in moderation, I'd like to see you make a case that these are detrimental to ones health (assuming you aren't hypersensitive to caffeine).
I love to see everyone use the whole moderation rule to justify something...
On topic: actually there have been studies done that provide links between negative effects on the body and energy drinks...
Wasn't justifying anything. Just making note that drinking seven energy drinks a day is obviously bad for you, and excluding that from the scope of what I was discussing.
Also where are all these studies you are saying exist?
On June 14 2011 02:37 Hawk wrote:
On June 14 2011 02:27 d_so wrote: energy drinks are bad for your health? since when?
take a peek at the sugar and caffine contents and compare it with your daily intake.
Ah, because taurine hasn't been known to make normal, healthy people suddenly feel like their heart is about to explode in their chest??
The logic behind the op is dumb, but anyone taking the stance that energy drinks are harmless or even healthy...
Never felt like my heart is about to explode in my chest. Sounds like people experiencing that symptom has a sensitivity to caffeine.
But once again, I would like to see you argue that these energy drinks are bad. I never said healthy, I just don't see arguments showing that they are unhealthy.
This is very relevant:
On June 14 2011 02:53 Forak wrote: A review published in 2008 found no documented reports of negative or positive health effects associated with the amount of taurine used in energy drinks, concluding that "The amounts of guarana, taurine, and ginseng found in popular energy drinks are far below the amounts expected to deliver either therapeutic benefits or adverse events".[58]
Straight from the Wikipedia page, with the link available there for further information I suppose
Some 99% of doctors in the world say "it's much easier to prevent than to treat". There's a reason they say such things you know. A real reason.
Now the health is sort of like money. You can either take care of it and feel well, or consume more than you can afford to and that becomes like taking a credit from banks. You eventually have to return that in bigger amounts.
The teenagers are easy manipulative. Once the kid is over 12, his fellows have more influences on him than his parents. So, the problem is more complicated than it seems.
So, yes I'd prefer see the progamers drink water or natural juice. But money decided the other way around. And there's no quick solution to this.
I'd go sc2 if I had a shot at getting Rockstar as a sponsor.
Edit: Everything I enjoy and do is prettymuch bad. I drink a ton of energy drinks, therefore they are bad. It's the consumers choice and there is no second hand energy smoke so haters gotta f off :O
seriously video game nerds are by and large one of the most unhealthiest demographics. we live on microwaveable food and soft drinks. on top of that, we seriously consume energy drinks, so i dont see any problem with them sponsoring us.
furthermore, this is a time where we need all the attention we can get on esports, and youre seriously complaining about a large scale sponsorship? when SC2 players are making milllions each year, then you can start worrying, but atm fuck that
I can easily see why its in esports. Gamers are traditional people that stay up and pull all nighters and to stay up what do they drink? Energy drinks. Seems like a perfect fit. Theres commercials all over television advertising it just like there are commercials for alcohol and all other kind of unhealthy things to eat and drink. I really don't see why it matters. Its not like they are pouring it down your throat. You either drink it or you don't. Really a personal decision and the money they give to teams just further supports Esports growth so i don't really mind it at all. I personally think it all taste like piss so i don't drink it. Water FTW
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
What?
a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less).
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
What?
a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less).
It's 20% not 20 grams - a banana is like 150g so 30g sugar; coca cola contains 10.6% of sugar or 35ish grams per 330g can..
The point is that we are very much influenced by perception about what is healthy/unhealthy. Fruit must be good and energy drinks must be bad.. but it really does come down to moderation and how and when etc.
I have been involved with a professional motocross team for the past 4 years, and I would welcome energy drinks with an open heart. None of the athletes are forced to drink them, if its water drink it out of the can. People identify energy drinks like Monster, Red Bull, or Rockstar because they are branded as cool companies to youth, and they help open the door for our sports. Plus they have lots of money.
But seriously, I don't think it matters. Energy drinks aren't great but they're hardly heroin. If gamers start becoming the healthiest beings on Earth we will see a decline in energy drinks sponsoring gaming, but as it is they're pretty much the "gaming drinks". Why we don't get coffee ads during MLG is beyond me though.
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
If you need carbs, it doesn't really matter where they're coming from... most people fulfill their macronutrient reqs pretty easily, but bananas have more of the necessary vitamins you wouldn't get with coke.
where is the line drawn? softdrinks and fastfood is bad too. i see double standard. now when a christian tv network or something sponsors a video gaming team..then i'll speak my mind
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
What?
a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less).
It's 20% not 20 grams - a banana is like 150g so 30g sugar; coca cola contains 10.6% of sugar or 35ish grams per 330g can..
The point is that we are very much influenced by perception about what is healthy/unhealthy. Fruit must be good and energy drinks must be bad.. but it really does come down to moderation and how and when etc.
Might be me, but where do you get the statistic that a banana contains 30g sugar?
There are things that are much worse in this world than energy drinks. It's one thing to be a cigarette company which kills in no matter how little or how much you smoke. But energy drinks? Sure it's not healthy but McDonalds sponsored (sponsors not sure) the Olympics. Energy drinks aren't frowned upon by general society like cigarettes are - why should a governing body disallow their advertisement.
Also, in F1 - I believe (also, not sure) the main reason why they disallowed those sponsorships was because most countries where F1 races were held had already disallowed cigarette company advertisements in general.
If and when we get to a point where we get to pick out of a huge pot of all the sponsors fighting over a spot I think we can start talking about disallowing some of them due to ethical/moral standpoints. We arn't at that stage yet and we need all the attention and sponsors we can get to help us grow.
Energy drinks sponsor e-sports teams because its a target audience and good advertising, energy drinks wont hurt you unless you are obsessive and drink them like water.
Hey, if companies like Red Bull, Monster and Rockstar Energy wants to get into esports and sponsor Starcraft teams I have no problems at all with that. Just look at what Red Bull has done to the extreme sports.
The OP cites F1 as an example of banning ads. F1 bans cigarette ads, yet Red Bull sponsors an entire F1 team.
I think that pretty much sums up the arguments here. Thing is bad for health -> Thing has a lot of money -> thing gets sponsorships anyway, until overwhelming evidence proves it causes cancer.
So I guess my point is that until energy drinks are shown to cause tons of cancer, no one cares.
It is only detrimental to your health if you're stupid and drink more than you're supposed to.
That being said, I don't care. People have the choice to smoke cigarettes, or drink too many energy drinks and die. Same concept goes with a ton of things, soda, junk food, etc. Stupid people will consistently do stupid things.
On June 14 2011 05:44 Rayeth wrote: The OP cites F1 as an example of banning ads. F1 bans cigarette ads, yet Red Bull sponsors an entire F1 team.
I think that pretty much sums up the arguments here. Thing is bad for health -> Thing has a lot of money -> thing gets sponsorships anyway, until overwhelming evidence proves it causes cancer.
So I guess my point is that until energy drinks are shown to cause tons of cancer, no one cares.
Comparing energy drinks and cigarettes is ridiculous. Cigarettes are far worse for your health.
Energy drinks are just sugar and caffeine. There is no proof that these are bad for you, when they are not consumed in excess. Drinking too much coffee is bad as well and the amount of sugar probably doesn't really differ much from other soft drinks. Sure, you'll get fat if you consume too much sugar, but with energy drinks at least you know that you'll be drinking a bunch of sugar. Lots of ketchup brands have more sugar than tomato...
If you're going to ban energy drinks advertising, best ban all violent games as well. In both cases it comes down to moderation and the consumer not being an idiot.
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
What?
a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less).
It's 20% not 20 grams - a banana is like 150g so 30g sugar; coca cola contains 10.6% of sugar or 35ish grams per 330g can..
The point is that we are very much influenced by perception about what is healthy/unhealthy. Fruit must be good and energy drinks must be bad.. but it really does come down to moderation and how and when etc.
Going to jump on the off-topic discussion here and point out that it's also significant of what type the sugars in the two foods are. Fructose is not the same as dextrose or sucrose. Yes, fruits are high in sugar as far as natural foods go - but they're still natural foods, and as such contain many vitamins and minerals that we need, as well as providing straight calories.
That out of the way, I think advertising at all in progaming (or commercials in general really) is pretty ridiculous. I didn't watch a single MLG commercial, besides to check what the hell reason there was for the BING commercial to be so loud. When I did look at the BING commercial, it just made me angry - and guess what? I still haven't used the product. I use google, because it's a superior service.
Hell, my favorite energy drink (when I do decide to drink them) is AMP. They're probably the least advertised out there - I've only seen their adds on nascar while channel surfing (and I don't even watch nascar). But when energy drinks were booming a few years ago, I tried all the brands out there (monster, rockstar, amp, redbull, etc. etc.) and I liked amp best so I drink it. I think the advice of friends was far bigger than any advertising in me making a choice.
Energy drinks are too new, there are only very few cases of people dying to it. It will take a few more decades of people having hearth attacks because of energy drinks for it to get banned. Or at least more tightly regulated. If you talked about cigarettes being bad for health 100 years ago. Most people would have the same reaction as this thread. You'd still have people going "lol how can smoking be bad for your health"
I have spent a great deal of my life working in the ''extreme sports'' industry ( hate that title but that is the best way to name it for the sake of this discussion I guess ) and have seen first hand the amount of money energy drink sponsors are willing to pump into stuff. I don't personally drink the crap and to be honest I think it probably should be regulated ( another discussion for another time ) but they are huge companies that target young people. They are legitimate financial backers and because their names are so well known ( Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar..NOS) they definitely a bring about a legitimacy to e-sports and the teams they sponsor (ie. Monster for EG).
They pump money in to what we enjoy, as well as make it possible for events to become bigger,better, and easily accessible. If Bernie Madoff wants to give the NASL 100 grand for another season I could care less. And as someone else stated you could find something morally/ethically wrong with most corporations that have the backing to throw money at something like an SC2 team.
One of the main distinctions between F1 and eSports that I would like to point out is that eSports organizations are not currently in a position to be selective. If in 10 years it has gotten to the point where there are sponsors clambering on TL and EG's doors then yeah they could definitely be selective and associate themselves with brands/images that they choose to.
I see nothing wrong with energy drinks sponsoring E-sports. They are about as unhealthy as a normal soda anyway, jsut cost more money. Most of them have less caffeine than a cup of coffe too. Personally I prefer asian energy drinks like thai-redbull, M-150 ect. They are more concentrated and taste better.
Honestly, imo energy drinks are necessary sponsors, as they are the first step to more sponsors. Soon, I am sure that with sponsors like monster, and red bull sponsoring sc2 teams, and other companies see their success, they too will get in on the action. Hey, who knows, maybe one day TL may be sponsored by like Nike or Adidas.
Although I can see why some might find it concerning, I don't think it's feasible to be so selective about sponsorships. If you want to see negatives, there will always be negatives to be found with just about any potential sponsor. Clothing companies are often fueled by sweatshop labor, energy companies tend to pollute the world they power, and electronics companies create all sorts of hazardous waste and compound the problem by driving consumerism with their advertisements. The list really can go on and on depending on how far you feel like pushing it. Hell, Hite (a beer company) even sponsored a professional Korean Brood War team for a while... By comparison, energy drinks seem rather low in terms of negative imagery... Or at least I think so.
Comparing energy drinks and cigarettes is ridiculous. Cigarettes are far worse for your health.
That comparison is exactly what the OP did by bringing up the F1 banning ads by cigarette companies. I agree they are FAR worse. Hence my post showing how silly the OP's post is.
The point here, which I think we both agree on, is that this is a very silly proposal.
I don't really care either way if energy drink companies sponsor e-sports or not. It's not really that big of a deal, people are going to buy them or not buy them regardless of if they do or not. I guess the only difference is the people who are like "OMG X company sponsors e-sports, I MUST buy their products to continue e-sports!!!" .. but that's kind of their own fault to begin with, since it's kind of a silly mindset.
It doesn't matter if energy drinks sponser for teams at all. They can maybe drink one can during a match as advertising and it wouldn't be any difference. Yeah it's not good for your health if you guzzle them down by the gallon, but it's not like it'll harm e-sports.
I do agree that energy drinks need to be taken in heavy moderation though (like I never drink more than one can per 24 hours and I rarely drink the stuff).
You should have an additional poll option along the lines of:
"I think energy drinks are a good choice for e-sports sponsoring."
That said, I try to eat/drink fairly healthy, and I never drink energy drinks. However, since a lot of gamers do, it only makes sense for the companies to try and target their audience directly.
Personally, I don't think it's a problem. If people are stupid enough to drink an excess of energy drink because they sponsor something they like than that's their problem. They should know the risks and take precautionary measures. If it was my job to ensure stuff like this doesn't cause a bad health trend then I would have a different opinion, but on a personal level, I couldn't care less.
I think that it's great that they are willing to support us. Energy drinks aren't the sponsor type that I would choose, but it's not a major issue to me.
I don't think energy drinks are really all that much worse than fast food advertising, alcohol advertising, soft drink advertising like Coca Cola. All of them drunk to excess will adversely affect your health.
On June 14 2011 00:54 Blix wrote: It is very hard to find a company or a sector that doesn't have something wrong with it. It's just not feasible to be limited to 100% ethical/clean/healthy companies.
If a company makes enough money to be able to effectively sponsor E-Sports, they're not, "clean," or, "ethical." Kinda sad, but true.
I don't think it matters im not going to go buy monster just because they sponser EG, and gamers are going to drink energy drinks anyway, Why not give them more reason to buy a certain one.
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: Recently, i wanted to write about Energy Drinks, sponsorship, and their role in esports for my weekly column on Rakakaworld. For a few reasons, mainly that i couldn't make up my mind and the site being on hiatus, i decided i couldn't do the subject justice on my own. Instead, i figure i'd start a discussion here about people's thoughts - assuming you have any.
I don't want to name any brands, but i feel like energy drink sponsorship is a negative thing for esports. Obviously it's a good thing for the teams sponsored, but with energy drinks being so detrimental to health i can't say i like the idea of them advertising to the esports audience. Why us in particular? Well, the largest part of esports audience has a pretty huge overlap with who energy drinks are targetted and aimed at (obviously). I realise Formula One has a Red Bull team, but... well, frankly, this isn't an F1 forum.
However, F1 is the place where a precedent for disallowing certain sponsorship was set. Cigarette ads used to be plastered all over F1 cars when i was growing up until they were eventually banned.
Obviously, there is no governing body to make such a decision in esports. As much as i dislike the idea of esports being used as a marketing tool by energy drinks companies, it is clearly here to stay for the forseeable future. On top of that, it is probably a necessary evil. As much as the growth of SC2 has helped, there is still very little money in esports and every penny helps, even if it is earned by convincing kids to drink addictive chemicals.
What do you think? Good? Bad? Don't really care? As for me, i guess i'll just continue to not buy them for myself and hope something better comes along for esports.
Poll: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports?
I don't care, why did you even make this thread? (373)
61%
It's fine, every penny is needed (172)
28%
I don't like it but there are bigger issues (51)
8%
I think it should be stopped somehow (8)
1%
Other, please explain (8)
1%
612 total votes
Your vote: How do you feel about energy drinks sponsoring esports?
(Vote): It's fine, every penny is needed (Vote): I don't like it but there are bigger issues (Vote): I think it should be stopped somehow (Vote): I don't care, why did you even make this thread? (Vote): Other, please explain
I put other and I will gladly explain why. For esports to grow you need to have sponsors involved; Sponsors are cumulative, they bring money into the industry and when other potential sponsors see the success of sponsors like Monster, they want to get into a cheap source of advertising. Even though your personal opinion about energy drinks is negative, doesn't mean that every one of your choices in the poll should be negative. I think that any sponsorship (especially the ones that don't involve computers- no offense to intel and co but seeing non-computer sponsors of computer games makes a bigger splash) is going to further the success of esports and starting in a new group is always a good thing.
I think your thread is lambasted in bais and that ruins whatever point you are trying to make with it. not having a positive answer in your poll for the other side is just stupid if you think your going to have a debate about anything.
That being said I really like energy drinks because they help me concentrate better with my add and sleep a lot easier taking that concentration edge off. I really love monster because it tends to be pretty cheap for the amount of drink that I get from them ($1.6ish a 16 oz. I think is their normal can) plus they throw money in to a lot of crazy things and I totally loved that moment when I heard that eg got them as a sponsor It really felt like Esports has gotten a lot more legitimacy with sponsors like that.
On June 14 2011 12:51 stanik wrote: The connection between energy drinks and esports goes way back. I remember a drink called Brawlz who was a supporter of Quake 3 at QuakeCon.
I think you mean Bawls, which is still pretty popular and my energy drink of choice at Lan parties.
I don't think this is a bad thing at all. Your favorite progamers being helped financially by a company willing to sponsor them. How is that bad? This idea that energy drinks are some poisonous material isn't really founded. You can be an extremist health nut all you want, I bet if I watched what you did on a daily basis, I could find something that would be objectionable by your standards of supporting things that are ethically sound only.
I can't stand people who drink energy drinks...and I really hate those who drink it for 'keeping awake' or more 'game improvement'. Additionally it kinda slows the process of esports beeing social integrated - it underlines the stereotype of a typical gamer and thus it increases the distance between the society and the gamers(outside of korea, tho). But hell thats just my opinion and nobody gives a F on a single opinion ^.^
I agree, this sponsorship of this terrible product is definitely going to hurt ESPORTS as a brand and a developing legitimate sport in the west. How dare they associate something like ENERGY DRINKS with ESPORTS? Clearly, it gives off the message that ESPORTS is all about sugar and caffeine. Completely ruining all legitimacy of ESPORTS, and preventing any further growth in the west. They need to take away the sponsorship now, or EVERYTHING WILL GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
On June 14 2011 12:59 UndercoverNerd wrote: I can't stand people who drink energy drinks...and I really hate those who drink it for 'keeping awake' or more 'game improvement'. Additionally it kinda slows the process of esports beeing social integrated - it underlines the stereotype of a typical gamer and thus it increases the distance between the society and the gamers(outside of korea, tho). But hell thats just my opinion and nobody gives a F on a single opinion ^.^
You HATE people who drink it to keep awake. That is such a strange thing to HATE someone for. People need to relax when it comes to what other people want to do with their own bodies. It's getting all 19th century up in this fucking forum lately.
On June 14 2011 02:43 r.Evo wrote: Wheres the "It's fine, I like energy drinks while playing for extended periods of time"-option?
Eat a banana or a handful of peanuts, they offer a lot of what you need for gaming for long periods while being much healthier.
Back on topic, I don't dislike energy drinks, I did used to consume them myself until I began to really look into just how bad for you they really are, and they aren't something you want to be drinking even on a weekly basis much less daily.
A banana contains like 20% sugar, which is twice the sugar content of most soft drinks - peanuts are like 50% fat... A lot of calories that are not needed for sitting behind a desk. I'd say the difference in health impact is marginal.
What?
a can of Coca cola has like 40g sugar, which is twice as much as a banana(the big one, the smallers ones have even less).
It's 20% not 20 grams - a banana is like 150g so 30g sugar; coca cola contains 10.6% of sugar or 35ish grams per 330g can..
The point is that we are very much influenced by perception about what is healthy/unhealthy. Fruit must be good and energy drinks must be bad.. but it really does come down to moderation and how and when etc.
Going to jump on the off-topic discussion here and point out that it's also significant of what type the sugars in the two foods are. Fructose is not the same as dextrose or sucrose. Yes, fruits are high in sugar as far as natural foods go - but they're still natural foods, and as such contain many vitamins and minerals that we need, as well as providing straight calories.
That out of the way, I think advertising at all in progaming (or commercials in general really) is pretty ridiculous. I didn't watch a single MLG commercial, besides to check what the hell reason there was for the BING commercial to be so loud. When I did look at the BING commercial, it just made me angry - and guess what? I still haven't used the product. I use google, because it's a superior service.
Hell, my favorite energy drink (when I do decide to drink them) is AMP. They're probably the least advertised out there - I've only seen their adds on nascar while channel surfing (and I don't even watch nascar). But when energy drinks were booming a few years ago, I tried all the brands out there (monster, rockstar, amp, redbull, etc. etc.) and I liked amp best so I drink it. I think the advice of friends was far bigger than any advertising in me making a choice.
I really don't see the problem. A sponsor is a sponsor and it is great. The more sponsors we get in esports the more sponsors will see that there is money to gain here.I would only have a problem with a sponsor if they did something illigal, which isn't the case here. Ofcourse if the teams themselves wishes to reject a sponsor thats fine. But I don't think any sponsor cripples the growt of esports.
Edit: also I'd like to add that I do agree that energy drinks are bad for your health. No question about that. Except for tat I have no Idea just HOW bad it is.
I dont see whats about energy drinks in Esports, like many have said, it is a product that is aimed at least partly to the gaming crowd, what better way to get noticed by that crowd than sponsoring an esports team?
On June 14 2011 00:51 Zechs wrote: However, F1 is the place where a precedent for disallowing certain sponsorship was set. Cigarette ads used to be plastered all over F1 cars when i was growing up until they were eventually banned.
Unless energy drinks get banned to certain people under X age, it isn't going to be banned from esports sponsorship.
I think this thread is simply a "sometimes I just need to complain" thread imo.
Kinda ridiculous.
Ya energy drinks are bad... if you drink/eat nothing but energy drinks, beyond a reasonable amount. But in this case stupidity is the more dangerous/prevalent factor in these cases, not the substance.
Energy drinks love to sponsor "unique" sports/teams. For isntance Rockstar is HUGE in Paintball sponsorship of teams and tournaments. They are at every tournament, and sponsor multiple teams.
Monster is hugely into motorsports sponsorships.
Redbull is into sponsoring everything cool. Plane races, car races, motorcycles, boats, cycling, petty much everything. Because its a great way to get a lot of fans in all of these niche communities.
Energy drink companies realize that you can tap into niche communities for a much cheaper price than buying commerical time n such.
A friend of mine had a heart attack at the age of 17 from drinking energy drinks. I hated them before that because they tasted like shit, and anyone wearing apparel (or that had a sticker on their car) of an energy drink company was instantly seen as a derelict, but yeah.
They're fine, but they are dangerous if used wrongly, especially underage. I don't like it, but there are bigger issues I suppose.
On June 14 2011 06:50 JLew wrote: I have spent a great deal of my life working in the ''extreme sports'' industry ( hate that title but that is the best way to name it for the sake of this discussion I guess ) and have seen first hand the amount of money energy drink sponsors are willing to pump into stuff. I don't personally drink the crap and to be honest I think it probably should be regulated ( another discussion for another time ) but they are huge companies that target young people. They are legitimate financial backers and because their names are so well known ( Monster, Red Bull, Rockstar..NOS) they definitely a bring about a legitimacy to e-sports and the teams they sponsor (ie. Monster for EG).
They pump money in to what we enjoy, as well as make it possible for events to become bigger,better, and easily accessible. If Bernie Madoff wants to give the NASL 100 grand for another season I could care less. And as someone else stated you could find something morally/ethically wrong with most corporations that have the backing to throw money at something like an SC2 team.
One of the main distinctions between F1 and eSports that I would like to point out is that eSports organizations are not currently in a position to be selective. If in 10 years it has gotten to the point where there are sponsors clambering on TL and EG's doors then yeah they could definitely be selective and associate themselves with brands/images that they choose to.
Agreed. And the poll results reflect this as well. eSports still has a long way to go before the luxury of being selective is even financially viable. It's not just not possible yet, and frankly, the idealism shown by the OP and others is a bit short-sighted.
On June 14 2011 12:51 stanik wrote: The connection between energy drinks and esports goes way back. I remember a drink called Brawlz who was a supporter of Quake 3 at QuakeCon.
I think you mean Bawls, which is still pretty popular and my energy drink of choice at Lan parties.
Bawlz is fucking delicious. It's the only energy drink I seldomly drink. Energy drinks are retarded imo, but at least this one tastes delicious.
You realize playing videogames is detrimental to your health too, right? I really don't understand how that can be the crux of your argument when it comes to esports.
I speak on behalf of being a manager of both Gaming at Indiana University and the Collegiate E-Sports Series which are both heavily sponsored by NOS Energy Drink.
Energy drinks are often associated with more "extreme" versions of sports in the past and being in talks with managers at NOS, they have been cutting back on those areas of sponsorship and have recently been trying to put more money into esports because it is a growing market with a lot of untapped potential. I do not think that MANY organizations will be at the level that they are without energy drink sponsorships, which have a great amount of money allocated for advertisement.
I personally love the idea of energy drinks for esports events. It goes into the whole genre of esports as being something that involves mental clarity, energy, focus, and playing hours on end. I do not see how another drink sponsor could replace energy drinks as a primary drink for esports. For example, water? milk? juice.....? personally that would be pointless for all of those to sponsor esports events or organizations (even water, water does not need to get their name out no matter what company it is, you rarely see water sponsors anyways and there is no competition between water companies because they all taste the same).
Energy drinks depend on getting their name out to sell their product. And if it wasn't for NOS sponsoring both of the organizations I help run, I would not have been so into NOS and other energy drink sponsors we have acquired in the past (Monster, for example).
Many people do not like energy drinks, but it is still necessary to treat the sponsors with respect. If it wasn't for them, esports would not be where it is today and will have a void in many sponsorships (MLG for example is sponsored by NOS too).
On June 14 2011 13:43 yesplz wrote: I watch all the sc2 I can and I've never seen an energy drink? Where do you even see energy drink sponsors
wut?
Btw, to gain larger of an audience we should ban every sponsor that may have a negative aspect, even indirectly.
Such as:
Energy drinks for giving a bad image (of horny teenagers obviously),
Tasteless for bringing up sex,
Alcohol and pork for they are banned to muslim people (and beef for hindu),
Clothing companies for benefiting from cheap labor in asia,
GSM companies for cellphones produce radiation,
Peanuts for they can kill people with an allergy,
Condoms for they remind of premarital intercourse,
Coffee for some african people perform female circumcision,
We should just have ebook readers and acoustic musical instruments as sponsors.
This thread looks like energy drinks help some people's moms to scold at their teenage sons for watching to much StarCraft
But it doesn't stop there the in-game effects need to be altered as well because they are promoting bad behaviors... - Blood effects are removed. - Units shoot rainbows and butterflies (essentially the broodling animation, but pretty and has wings) - Nukes are illegal because they remind us of nuclear weapons being used on Japan. - All Terran units are now a murky off-brown color, not representing any sort of race or ethnicity. - Men can now pilot medivacs, women can now be marines. - etc.
If this thread is all (or even partially) about the fact it is promoting bad habits in kids, these need to all be accounted for as well. This game is rated Teen for a reason and there is nothing wrong with energy drink sponsors.
Here in sweden you have to be 15 to buy energy drinks due to a recent LAW and have to show your ID everytime you want to buy them.
And comeon what kind of nerd does not eat microwaveable food and drink energy drinks, some people think drinking energy drinks makes you cool some drink them for the taste.
Redbull <-- i swear ive seen so many sport tournaments sponosored by this skiing racing etc.
Monster - Dont tell me this add makes u kinky DAT ASS Spoilered due to hawt ass + Show Spoiler +
Its still money and sponsor STANDS OUT in the crowd.
Look at this guy he has collected lots of energy drinks
Feel bad for him or just complement him on his achievement?
Since it's already something that is so being in the e-sport culture and the prodcuts are out there I think it's fine. Sure they aren't the best thing for your body but then again it's something that I don't think is as bad as tobacco or alcohol so hey just do it. I wouldn't mind alcohol comapneies sposoring either as it's also an ok product as long as it is in moderation.
Justbecause they're sposoring doesn't have that big of an effect at least not on me. I mean I do enjoy some energy drinks at lans and dreamhack etc but it doesn't make me wanna drink it everyday. And as for things like this I mean Monster especially is something I'll never buy because their energy drinks taste like shit so I mean them sponsoring sc2 teams won't change anything for me.
Anyone remember Jolt cola?? gamers were swinging "energy" drinks before energy drinks were invented.
Anyway, I don't want to come across as an ass but I am constantly surprised by the amount of puritanical attitude on this forum. Maybe I'm getting old but in my day (+/-Amiga) most nerds were the cyberpunky "not giving a fuck" type, sort of like punks just sporting bottle-bottom glasses and better hairdos, reading fat books by the basketball court being weird.
Now you have people complaining about this and that, curse words, women, energy drinks, professionalism, manner, gg, wp, some guy even complained about using the word sex. I mean, seriously?
Is this what the basement dwelling, grinding, farming, proud-to-be whitewashed by screen glare, carpal tunnel infested gamer is supposed to be like? Dunno man... I for one love energy drinks. I love corny jokes, I love silly chicks and drunk mornings and sex. Can't have enough of that. And when I'm done with it I don't gg :p
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