|
On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it.
I think your logic is flawed and you're not really sourcing any information to help me understand why you think this is the case.
If a man is stripped against his or raped will in a "patriarchal society that views women as weak" then wouldn't that be more humiliating and traumatic? It would be incredibly emasculating on top of everything else. This can go both ways and I don't think you're very convincing as to why it would be less traumatic for a man.
|
On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand.
Gotta say that's true. The double standards in this world are disappointing.
|
On June 05 2011 16:31 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it. This is a part of the reason WHY he will be traumatized, I don't know about you but when I was in elementary school the girls were considered weak, and a guy losing ANYTHING to one of them was going to get them bullied. If a guy had been beat up by a girl, or something like this had happened, he would be the laughing stock of the school.
How is that different from any of the crueller bullying that other kids go through? I'm not saying it's right, but it's not comparable to 3 guys stripping a girl because there is way more sexual dominance behind that, and that is way more traumatizing.
|
I feel really bad for the kid. The article I read was off their local fox news I think and when I read it, the lawyer (female) and the police said it was a prank and that there *might be* enough to press charges. Now apparently the word got out and now the mom doesn't even want to.
No one wants to stick up for the kid or punish the girls for doing something horribly wrong. It's all fucking disgusting and at the risk of sounding like an ass the whole thing screams sexism. If no one's gonna do anything I hope the kid holds onto the grudge and pops them in the face after he's hit puberty. Yes, I just said I support this kid beating these chicks up. Two wrongs don't make a right, but if your mother won't help you, the police and school won't help you...might as well do it yourself.
|
High schoolers feuding with elementary schoolers is just ridiculous.
|
On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point) So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it.
Ah an argument worth responding. It is no use however i keep getting banned.
I keep on getting bullied around here. Ironic, isnt it?
The argument that we don't follow evolution is a common, but false one. Our emotions are reflections of that. These strategies have been in use since before humans even existed. Just because you believe humans would be better a certain way doesn't make it true. Even a genius who never procreated would be deemed a failure by nature.
I ask you the question then. Why is it we go for women with large breasts and wide hips? It is because they have a better chance of surviving labor. Even though we have c-section technology this is still the case. We should be going for rich, smart woman right? Well it doesn't work that way. Things take time to change and they also take death. If it is the case than smart = sexy but it has been but a second in the grand scheme of things.
I myself have been bullied and have learned from it and wished to share. Otherwise i would only have left 1 comment and proceeded about my day. I really do care honestly. For more words before i get banned heres 1 link
http://ockhamsbeard.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/the-evolutionary-psychology-of-bullying/
be quick with your response
User was banned for this post.
|
On June 05 2011 16:37 ewswes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it. This is a part of the reason WHY he will be traumatized, I don't know about you but when I was in elementary school the girls were considered weak, and a guy losing ANYTHING to one of them was going to get them bullied. If a guy had been beat up by a girl, or something like this had happened, he would be the laughing stock of the school. How is that different from any of the crueller bullying that other kids go through? I'm not saying it's right, but it's not comparable to 3 guys stripping a girl because there is way more sexual dominance behind that, and that is way more traumatizing.
You're hopeless, you won't listen to reason and you're blinded by the feminism that is displayed all the time. I don't even know what to say to you anymore because you deflect it all back to the same argument with no proof and no reasoning, just stating that women would be more traumatized. I have a friend who was raped by a girl at a party when we were 17, the girl was not his type I'm sure you know what I mean.
He is now gay, not because he was gay at first (he had multiple girlfriends before and after), but whenever his relationship with a girl gets to the point where it's going to get sexual he can't go into it because his thoughts always drift back to his rape. I'd say that's pretty traumatized.
|
First of all, this has nothing to do with natural selection. Natural selection works on an individual level, yes, but it also works on a societal (and genetic level) as well. By simply stating that he wasn't strong enough to fight off 3 post-pubescent girls while he himself was prepubescent (lol?) we must completely ignore why the human race was successful; because we look after others to a large extent.
I don't think the girls should be placed on the sex offenders registry, (due to the complete non-discrimination of severity of crimes) due to their age, but they definitely should be appropriately punished via expulsion or other means. I sort of agree with the mother's actions, but I also don't know whether it should be completely her choice. I, personally, would suggest a psychiatrist to look at the potential effects of issue, and force the state to press charges if there is a significant chance of the kid developing PTSD or any related syndromes.
|
I bet the girls' parents bribed her or something.
|
On June 05 2011 16:39 jaybee3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point) So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it. Ah an argument worth responding. It is no use however i keep getting banned. I keep on getting bullied around here. Ironic, isnt it? The argument that we don't follow evolution is a common, but false one. Our emotions are reflections of that. These strategies have been in use since before humans even existed. Just because you believe humans would be better a certain way doesn't make it true. Even a genius who never procreated would be deemed a failure by nature. I ask you the question then. Why is it we go for women with large breasts and wide hips? It is because they have a better chance of surviving labor. Even though we have c-section technology this is still the case. We should be going for rich, smart woman right? Well it doesn't work that way. Things take time to change and they also take death. If it is the case than smart = sexy but it has been but a second in the grand scheme of things. I myself have been bullied and have learned from it and wished to share. Otherwise i would only have left 1 comment and proceeded about my day. I really do care honestly. For more words before i get banned heres 1 link http://ockhamsbeard.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/the-evolutionary-psychology-of-bullying/be quick with your response
what do you say to this:
On June 05 2011 16:23 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Your own idea is flawed. I was a bully in elementary school, I didn't bully people because they were weak I bullied them because of where they were from, if they were different, or even just because they got a better lunch than me one day.
|
On June 05 2011 16:35 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm No, intelligence is not a superior evolutionary trait. Intelligent people have less children. Hence, intelligence is selected AGAINST. Bullies, on the other hand, ... Can't say I like it, but its the truth. 
You watched Idiocracy, didn't you mate? Yes, there is some evidence that less intelligent people have more children than more intelligent people, but are you saying stupid people are all bullies? That's obviously not true. And besides, it doesn't matter how much progeny you have, evolution doesn't work that way. It's based on how much progeny pass their genes on to the next generation. People with higher intelligence generally have higher living conditions, so so they may have less children, but those children have a higher chance to survive than the progeny of less intelligent people.
Also, you've assumed that less intelligent people will always have less intelligent kids. That is mostly true, due to socio-economic conditions, but there are plenty of exceptions.
EDIT: You've also assumed that all bullies are dumb. All bullies are cruel, but not all are retarded. There are some very smart bullies, which we on the internet call 'elitists'.
|
On June 05 2011 16:39 jaybee3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point) So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it. Ah an argument worth responding. It is no use however i keep getting banned. I keep on getting bullied around here. Ironic, isnt it? The argument that we don't follow evolution is a common, but false one. Our emotions are reflections of that. These strategies have been in use since before humans even existed. Just because you believe humans would be better a certain way doesn't make it true. Even a genius who never procreated would be deemed a failure by nature. I ask you the question then. Why is it we go for women with large breasts and wide hips? It is because they have a better chance of surviving labor. Even though we have c-section technology this is still the case. We should be going for rich, smart woman right? Well it doesn't work that way. Things take time to change and they also take death. If it is the case than smart = sexy but it has been but a second in the grand scheme of things. I myself have been bullied and have learned from it and wished to share. Otherwise i would only have left 1 comment and proceeded about my day. I really do care honestly. For more words before i get banned heres 1 link http://ockhamsbeard.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/the-evolutionary-psychology-of-bullying/be quick with your response
Nobody is saying we 'don't follow evolution'. What we are saying is that evolution doesn't follow everything you believe it does.
|
On June 05 2011 16:39 jaybee3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" + Show Spoiler + I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point) So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it. Ah an argument worth responding. It is no use however i keep getting banned. I keep on getting bullied around here. Ironic, isnt it? The argument that we don't follow evolution is a common, but false one. Our emotions are reflections of that. These strategies have been in use since before humans even existed. Just because you believe humans would be better a certain way doesn't make it true. Even a genius who never procreated would be deemed a failure by nature. I ask you the question then. Why is it we go for women with large breasts and wide hips? It is because they have a better chance of surviving labor. Even though we have c-section technology this is still the case. We should be going for rich, smart woman right? Well it doesn't work that way. Things take time to change and they also take death. If it is the case than smart = sexy but it has been but a second in the grand scheme of things. I myself have been bullied and have learned from it and wished to share. Otherwise i would only have left 1 comment and proceeded about my day. I really do care honestly. For more words before i get banned heres 1 link http://ockhamsbeard.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/the-evolutionary-psychology-of-bullying/be quick with your response
You don't even understand Natural Selection yet you're using Social Darwinism to justify the girl's actions. Taking your example of "going for rich, smart woman." No, we won't go for rich, smart woman as time goes on because not going for them would not endanger our species survival. Those that mate with dumb, poor women can continue the human race just as well as those that mate with rich, smart women.
Understand Natural Selection on the biological level being applying it to morality and society.
|
Unacceptable. "It's just a prank, lol". Unacceptable. I don't know what else to say on the matter.
|
Sad story, agree with all the 'if genders were swapped, some serious outcry'
And now there's a verbal fight that probably has nothing to do with anything ^
|
This is why in Canada, you have no choice in the matter when it comes to pressing charges or not. Once police are notified, it is up to them and the Crown alone to decide whether or not to press charges.
Whether people believe it is 'right' to press charges or not, the bottom line is they totally would have if it were boys... and to not do it here, is telling girls its ok to break the law because they are girls, and its telling boys that sexism is ok.
Women faught for many years last century to gain the right to vote, and any and all legal rights a man has... We need to stop viewing them as different, and charge those brats.
|
On June 05 2011 16:37 ewswes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:31 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it. This is a part of the reason WHY he will be traumatized, I don't know about you but when I was in elementary school the girls were considered weak, and a guy losing ANYTHING to one of them was going to get them bullied. If a guy had been beat up by a girl, or something like this had happened, he would be the laughing stock of the school. How is that different from any of the crueller bullying that other kids go through? I'm not saying it's right, but it's not comparable to 3 guys stripping a girl because there is way more sexual dominance behind that, and that is way more traumatizing.
Refer to earlier post, I don't think this is the case and I don't think you've established why this would be the case.
|
how would they call it if 3 boy from 8th grade stipped a 11 year old nacked while holding her down, filming it and laughing.
oh girls did it, np then.
|
On June 05 2011 16:39 jaybee3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point) So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it. The argument that we don't follow evolution is a common, but false one. Our emotions are reflections of that. These strategies have been in use since before humans even existed. Just because you believe humans would be better a certain way doesn't make it true. Even a genius who never procreated would be deemed a failure by nature. You completely misunderstood everything I wrote. We do follow evolution. But the traits that get naturally selected changes from one species to another and one habitat to another. For dogs the stronger bullying the weak would get selected. For humans, the smarter get selected more often than the stronger. Just as the study I linked showed you. Sexy women as you mentioned, have higher chance than being selected as well. But beauty and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. The intelligent, both men and women, have higher chance than success than the dumb.
Dumb people gets rejected by society. And have less chance of passing their genes forward. Thats natural selection. As detailed by the research I posted.
In other words. You getting re-banned is just an example of natural selection in modern human society ;P
|
I'm sure the boy had some say in his mom's decision, he already looks bad enough he doesn't wanna be labeled as the kid who not only got owned by girls but retaliated against them through the law. And secondly, I'm pretty sure the DA will probably pick up the charges.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
