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On June 05 2011 16:23 Danglars wrote:
The girls won't be disciplined?
What?
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lol, I bet they'll be grounded from a week to a month.
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On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed.
and you would know that how?
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Totally agree with you Phyre. If 3 boys did this to a girl, there would be chaos on the 24 hour news networks. This dumb mother is fueling the gender constructions we have placed on males and females and she should be ashamed as a mother for not pressing charges and possibly have her boy taken away from her. You do not allow your child to be violated like that and then maintain yourself as his guardian.
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On June 05 2011 16:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:10 jaybee2 wrote:
Oh man that blew up in face real quick. I was typing a story of me being bullied and what I learned but when I finished I was banned. I understand your disgust of me, people have been conditioned against different ideas. The stupid troll accusation is the go to response of those without arguments. It is very McCarthyesque as its hard to prove your true intentions.
When Darwin proposed his origin of species he was confronted the same way. ' You are an idiot to believe we come from apes. Just look its obvious we aren't apes etc etc. ' Please learn from these events and realize that we all may be wrong, even if we are sure that we are right. The one difference between truth and lies is that truth likes to be tested. I think we owe it as an intellectual species to always question what we believe, so that we may better ourselves. I wasn't trying to put my ideas in your face i responded like every else did once then answered some questions.
Here is my reasoning please call me idiot, but also tell me what you disagree with.
Bullying happens for a reason.
The reason is evolutionary. (all social animals do it)
Because it happens for a reason there is a way to avoid it.
Instead of attacking the bullies it would be more practical to learn not how to bullied.
I never said it was right that they did that. I just said with him being that way is it of no surprise.
You can ip ban me shortly after so i never ' troll' again. But I want my ideas to be tested too. If I am wrong I would like to know. Thank you. At no point during your previous posts did you make it obvious that you thought what happened was wrong, nor did you frame your posts in what would be considered an acceptable way - rather you called the kid 'pathetic'. Also, your post about how it would never have happened to a popular 5th grader... I dont know how the US school system works, but as a 14 year old I had 0 contact with any 10 year olds, because we didnt go to the same school, so how the hell would they know whether hes popular or not? This is completely disregarding the fact that it should have no bearing on whether or not this should happen, I am simply pointing out that what you seem to think would be a good defense against this type of stuff, would be completely moot if they did not know their victim. Yes, you are getting banned again. Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:22 BlackJack wrote:
This thread seems to be divided between writing this off as a stupid prank gone too far and pressing charges in pursuit of a ridiculously severe punishment: juvi, sex offendor registry, expulsion, etc. I believe that neither side is correct. If you write it off as a prank then the girls don't learn a lesson because you're essentially making an excuse for them with the old "kids will be kids.." However, there is also no need to try to ruin their lives for what they probably thought was just some playground antics..
Imo the best solution/punishment is to make these girls realize what they did and force them to feel shame/regret for it. They should be forced to meet with school officials and have a long sit down with their parents present, forced to attend some counselling, etc. It's extremely embarrassing to have to put on your best clothes and go into a room full of adults including your parents and explain why you stripped an 11 year old boy, with the room dead silent and everyone looking at you like you're a rapist. I heard about this story from another site before this one so it has seemingly gone viral and that's pretty good justice in itself. When these girls go out in public and start getting glares and here people whispering about them they will probably feel the same humiliation that that boy felt and hopefully that will allow them to empathize with the kid and teach them that what they did was wrong. I agree with this (although if it happened to me personally I would have 100% sought personal revenge).
Give him a few minutes first though, I want to see his response to my experiences as a bully.
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I am going to be frank - if that happened to my son, I'd would sue the hell out of those girls and their family.
Battery charges. Molestation charges. Producing and distributing child pornography. Send these girls to rot and maybe cases like this stop happening. Seems to me like someone (an adult) really needs to make an aggressive stand towards this type of "molestive" bullying.
Gender shouldn't matter - though as post above point out, it clearly does. And that is a shame. Defenders of equal gender rights (a stance I support) should jump on this. If woman on man rape (I realize that the case in question here didn't exactly escalate that far) isn't treat with the same authority and prosecution that "man on woman" rape is... Well, it makes it hard for me to want to continue to support equal rights at all.
PS Was it just me (and this may have been pointed out), or did the mother seemed stoned as sin?
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Kids are so damn stupid these days -.-
Also ... that SCHOOL is just as stupid ...
Who cares if it is off school property. Schools get involved all the time in things that happen off of the property. I don't see why they wouldn't in this instance.
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On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore.
Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm
(and become bullies in the first place because they're likely losers already at that point)
So this case is not an example of evolution selecting the boy out as inferior, as you make it out to be. But instead this case is an example of evolution selecting those 3 girls as inferior. Natural selection will take care of them more than anything the mother or the police can do about it.
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On June 05 2011 16:20 GGTesomas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:16 Daimiru wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 GGTesomas wrote:On June 05 2011 16:01 Daimiru wrote:On June 05 2011 15:48 GGTesomas wrote:On June 05 2011 15:35 Daimiru wrote:On June 05 2011 15:33 travis wrote:On June 05 2011 15:31 Daimiru wrote:On June 05 2011 15:28 stormtemplar wrote:On June 05 2011 15:25 Daimiru wrote:
also, fyi: the 4chan /b/ "if the genders were reversed..." logic is actually pretty misogynist, or at the least fairly ignorant of gender history; there are lots of relevant reasons one might express greater concern if this were 4 older boys and a young girl. having said that, one lesson to take from that is that we apply sex offender status to freely to minors in America. We apply criminal punishment too freely in general in the USA and if you try and change it the masses go: SOFT ON CRIMEEEEE!!!!! EVIIIIIIIILNESSS yeah exactly, given how many people we put in prison vis-a-vis the rest of the developed world how messed up is that the internet would latch on to some news cycle interest piece and be like WHY AREN'T THESE MINORS IN PRISON?! If it was 13-14 year old boys stripping down an 11 year old girl every single person here(except the most obvious of trolls) would be screaming it should be taken to court. 1. yes, because that would actually be different in the context of real historical gender issues 2. but i wouldn't if I thought the court system was going to deliver the boys sex offender status instead of therapy, which is what would be actually needed in such a case If a person tried to argue that "real historical gender issues" meant that a woman should face court in a situation but a man shouldn't, that person would be buried in a media shitstorm. Quite frankly, I don't think looking to history is very useful here. Broad historical trends aren't so useful in examining individual cases because these isolated incidents are so narrow in focus to be quite frank literally 99% of what justice systems do is look at history Looking at history and using broad historical trends and justification for harsher punishments for certain group are two very different things. Examining history is essential for understanding and interpreting the spirit of the law to be sure. However, in the context of individual cases applying broad trends is not acceptable or just precisely because these cases are of such a small scope. well there's two lines of thought that you're convoluting here and in previous posts 1. "if a person tried to argue that real historical gender issues meant that woman should face court in a situation but man shouldn't, that person would be buried in a media shitstorm." that's correct, it's fortunate then that I'm not that person, nor said anything that was obviously equivalent to this; if you feel otherwise you should point it out explicitly instead of implying it 2. "broad historical trends aren't so useful for examining individual cases..." maybe, but regardless of this it would be hard to argue that in cases of male-on-female sexual violence a court is not operating in the context of thousands of years of history of male-on-female sexual violence, which (not incorrectly) colours its perceptions. at any rate, my invocation of gender history was limited to how it would affect popular perception, and not specifically the judgement of a court body 1)Wasn't trying to imply anything of the sort 2)I see, I understand a little better where you are coming from then. My understanding was that you were discussing what is just, not public perception
it's my bad really for being confusing, we're cool
gender reversal is an interesting counterfactual exercise but it must be understood that a lot of its "gut impact" comes from invoking and manipulating historical gender dynamics (such as male sexual violence) that actually did and do exist and that we are only barely beginning to escape from
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On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand.
Purely this.
=/ I'm suprised the mum isnt pressing charges.
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On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them.
We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal.
because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it.
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On June 05 2011 16:24 Vegasminion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Please help us rid this world of people like you and stop breeding. You're going of the notion that every man wants every woman.. i would be very traumatized if a fat chick tried to even hint the notion of my clothing removal.
Dude it doesnt even matter if its less tramautic the crimes are the same its just america is the land where women run everything so somehow this is sexual assault is okay
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What the girls deserve is at least a good old fashion beating from their parents.
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On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand.
Best comment ever :D
I agree from an ethical perspective.
But tbh I would have had a problem with this if it were 3 boys that did that to a girl, but 3 girls doing it to a boy just doesn't strike me as something that terrible.
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On June 05 2011 16:28 pred470r wrote:
What the girls deserve is at least a good old fashion beating from their parents.
Those fucking bitches then would call the police on their parents for child abuse.
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On June 05 2011 16:28 gogatorsfoster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:24 Vegasminion wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Please help us rid this world of people like you and stop breeding. You're going of the notion that every man wants every woman.. i would be very traumatized if a fat chick tried to even hint the notion of my clothing removal. america is the land where women run everything
holy shit are you serious
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On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it.
This is a part of the reason WHY he will be traumatized, I don't know about you but when I was in elementary school the girls were considered weak, and a guy losing ANYTHING to one of them was going to get them bullied. If a guy had been beat up by a girl, or something like this had happened, he would be the laughing stock of the school.
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On June 05 2011 16:24 Vegasminion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. T ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Please help us rid this world of people like you and stop breeding. You're going of the notion that every man wants every woman.. i would be very traumatized if a fat chick tried to even hint the notion of my clothing removal. The girls should have had rape charges, and the mom should have taken action. It's like saying slavery wouldn't have been wrong if the blacks controlled the whites. or vice versa. (i'm white) both sides are wrong, just like both SEXES are capable of rape and this to EITHER SEX should be punished.
i'm not going by the notion that every man wants every woman, i'm going by the notion that society views men as strong and women as weak. like it or not, those gender values are at least partly ingrained in everyone who's a part of this society
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Wow, I'm really surprised by the animosity towards the boy's parent. I think she responded appropriately, and it wasn't simply because it was her son rather than her daughter (as many TLers are implying). From her statement, you can clearly tell that she thought it was wrong. The implication I got was that she didn't want to use the legal system to teach responsibility and right/wrong, but rather, she thought it should be something taught by parents. I think the response of a lot of TLers wanting to sue, calling for jailtime, etc is way overblown. This over reliance on a legalist society takes the responsibility of right/wrong from the individuals and instead puts the responsibility on the legal system. And in my opinion, this is absolutely the wrong path to go down, as a society.
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On June 05 2011 16:31 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:28 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:16 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:09 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:05 ewswes wrote:On June 05 2011 16:02 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:00 ewswes wrote:
to everyone saying that people would take this more seriously if the genders were reversed:
that's true, but don't you think that in this situation, the victim will be affected/traumatized much less than if the genders were reversed?
A boy being stripped by 3 girls simply isn't going to feel that awful about it compared to if a girl was stripped by 3 boys IMO.. This is a boy who has not yet reached puberty, he has no sexual desires towards these girls and certainly doesn't have some rape fantasy. I guarantee you this will mentally scar him, not just because of the fact that he was essentially raped, but also because everybody who was outside that day, as well as everybody who saw the video on the girl's phone, everybody who saw the video on youtube and everybody who heard about the story is going to be making fun of him until he gets out of highschool and that's a traumatic experience in itself. yea, but that's no different than being bullied which occurs all the time. what the boy experienced was no different than any other bullying experience, but what a girl experiences if she's forcibly stripped by 3 boys would be much more traumatizing than mere bullying. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! It's these kind of statements that ruin this world. This is NOT bullying, this is RAPE regardless of how you look at it. Guess what guys can be raped too, regardless of what you think. I don't know about you, but before puberty, I would've been extremely traumatized by girls even looking at my penis, let alone showing it to the whole school. The video the posted on youtube? It's child pornography, whether you agree or not. It is child pornography. Even disregarding that, the boy clearly was forced into a situation he didn't want to be in, he was squirming to get away, but the two larger girls held him down. How is this any different than a girl being held down by 2 larger guys and having her clothes forcibly removed? And don't just say "well, she's a girl" or anything to that idea. THAT is sexism. i think your type of viewpoint is common in this thread and its a simplified way of looking at things It's not sexism to say that due to the gender constructs formed by this society, men and women react to things differently. rape, actual rape(this news story was not rape) of an adult woman forcing herself on an adult man is MUCH less traumatizing to the victim than if the gender role is reversed. Just because something is less common and men who are raped are less vocal does not mean that the effects are any lesser. Before a man begins to get testosterone pumped in his body during puberty they are not much different from women before they get estrogen flowing throughout them. We live in a patriarchal society that views women as weak and harmless and puts them on a sexual pedestal. because of that, I just don't think this kid will be as affected by this situation then if the genders were reversed. Because he has learned, or will learn, the way this society views men and women and he simply won't feel bad about being stripped by girls. he might feel like anyone would feel after being bullied right now, but when he grows up, he's not going to lose any sleep over it. This is a part of the reason WHY he will be traumatized, I don't know about you but when I was in elementary school the girls were considered weak, and a guy losing ANYTHING to one of them was going to get them bullied. If a guy had been beat up by a girl, or something like this had happened, he would be the laughing stock of the school.
Exactly. Ten bucks says he has some stupid cheesy nickname.
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On June 05 2011 16:27 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 16:20 jaybee2 wrote:On June 05 2011 16:17 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 05 2011 16:14 Tenhou wrote:
Guys, screw the 3 guys stripping 1 girl logic.
IF IT'S 3 OLDER BOY STRIPPING ONE BOY THEN I BET THE MOTHER IS GOING TO PRESS CHARGES.
This is a good point as well, and also very true. On June 05 2011 16:14 jaybee2 wrote:
Have you ever noticed how there are some kids that never managed to get bullied? Why is that? I investigated theorized and it worked for me. Later on, when I took evolutionary biology classes at university my beliefs were validated. Than copy/paste your research, clearly you must have some if you "investigated and theorized" I am not going to paste everything. If really want the book i guess i can post the link. I gave my reasoning but nobody says what they disagree with. Only that I am stupid. I thought it would be easy to disprove a stupid idea but I guess I have stayed up late for nothing. Jaybee, you're actually right that this is just a consequence of evolution. Except you completely inverted it. It's the other way around. In modern society intelligence is a superior evolutionary trait over strength. Bullies are not evolutionary superior, but inferior. Evolution takes care of them because they fail in life. You compare us to puppies bullying the weaker. Guess what, humans evolved past dogs. Up to a point where that dog bullying isn't as important as intelligence anymore. Study showing school bullies tend to become losers at life: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100708160937.htm
No, intelligence is not a superior evolutionary trait. Intelligent people have less children. Hence, intelligence is selected AGAINST. Bullies, on the other hand, ...
Can't say I like it, but its the truth.
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