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How sure are you that god exists:
0% - not agnostic - atheist - there is no god
1% - agnostic - atheist
...% - agnostic - atheist
50% - agnostic - undecided
...% - agnostic - theist
99% - agnostic - theist
100% - not agnostic - theist - there is a god
Personally I consider myself between the 0 and 1%. But since the chance of god be pulling a trick on me to put all these evidence against him just to troll me is just SO low. That I label myself I non-agnostic atheist merely for practical reasons. While technically I do have that little 0.01% agnosticism in me.
And if you are anything between 0% and 99%. Then you are NOT a religious person. And by the word of the bible. You're going to hell.
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Only in america.
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On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't.
Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark.
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On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark.
Do the words "brick wall" mean anything to you?
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On May 28 2011 04:09 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. Do the words "brick wall" mean anything to you?
Do the words, "Oh well." mean anything to you?
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On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark.
You trollin ?
i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist
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On May 28 2011 03:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 03:53 zul wrote:On May 28 2011 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On May 28 2011 03:46 BlackMagister wrote:On May 28 2011 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Agnostics go around claiming they're better than everyone else? That's news to me.
Agnosticism really has nothing to do with being open-minded either, it's admitting ignorance on an issue that no one clearly has proof for either way.
You wouldn't say for certain "the universe is finite/infinite in time" because we cannot know for certain at this point in time. It's just accepting the limitations of current human knowledge. I'm not saying this, I'm merely parroting Kokoro's points, part of which is claiming atheists are fanatical. He used anecdotal evidence about his friend showing him atheists video to "prove" atheists are just as bad as fanatical believers. Well fanatic/militant atheists are just as bad as fanatic/fundamentalist theists in that they both generalize entire groups of people as wrong just because they share different beliefs than themselves. I would like to think that the majority of atheists and theists are much more moderate though and capable of getting along just fine. But there is one big difference. Fanatic/militant atheist do bad stuff - end of story. Fanatic/militant Theist do bad stuff - and tell people it is "ok" or "right" because they were told so by someone above. And this drives me mad, cuz a lot of people buy it and get infected by it. Well the majority of the time anyone does anything wrong, they most likely believe it is right due to psychological traps people can easily fall into that incline them to justify their actions. I don't think there are large numbers of people who are just malevolent, it seems much more likely that average people are just easily swayed to do wrong things. Would it bother you as much if a militant/fanatic atheist claimed an evil voice in their head told them to act the way they did? If not you're probably just caught up on the identities of theism/atheism.
Psychological traps can be identified as such and they are by no means supernatural. Everybody (religious or not) can fall for them and end up doing bad/stupid stuff. But thats not the point.
Regarding your last paragraph: This is a very good example. When you do bad stuff and claim to hear voices in your head --> you`re crazy. everybody knows. gg.
BUT when you intend to do some bad stuff and claim God spoke to you and that it has to be done, a certain group of people (strong religious people) will at least have an open ear for your words and a part of these people will even support your actions (based only on their belief). And this is not acceptable for me. A fantasy story having so much influence on the lives of millions is absolutly not understandable for me and sometimes even scary.
But I dont want to derail this thread any further. As far as I understand the situation the boy had every legal right to do what he did and what happened is a shame. Thats a fact. A sad one!
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On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist
Do you mean that in the sense that you can say one thing, while believing another, or do you think there are no conflicts between the two ideas?
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On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist
As someone brought up earlier I'm probably Undecided Agnostic if there were levels of Agnosticism. Which puts me in neutral, does it not?
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On May 28 2011 04:15 Bibdy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist Do you mean that in the sense that you can say one thing, while believing another, or do you think there are no conflicts between the two ideas?
no conflicts. Agnosticsm doesnt interfere with atheism or theism whatsever. It merely states that you agnowledge the possibilty of the other site being correct.
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I don't know why everyone wants him to say he has an inclination towards one or the other
If he literally wants to say he is 50% / 50%, let him be.
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On May 28 2011 04:15 KoKoRo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist As someone brought up earlier I'm probably Undecided Agnostic if there were levels of Agnosticism. Which puts me in neutral, does it not?
No, your a negative atheist.
"Negative atheism refers to any other type of non-theism, wherein a person doesn't hold a belief in the existence of any deity, but does not claim that same statement is false. However, both positive and negative atheism reject theistic claims as unsupported by evidence."
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On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist
Then you don't actually "believe" that he does not exist, do you?
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On May 28 2011 03:50 tdynasty wrote:
First of all: The kid was wrong in trying to get the prayer cancelled. (As an Atheist it's not our place to abolish religion, nor is it to tell people they should respect our perspective on the universe by taking not practising religion around us) Too me that's just ignorant period.
You appear to be ignorant of the situation, and act as if the kid was visiting a private group of religious people and attempting to force them to stop praying on their own time.
In fact it was the opposite. The religious people were forcing the entire school to be a part of a Christian prayer. This is against the law and it's a violation of the Constitution. And the fact that "it was just a short Christian prayer" and "the vast majority did support the prayer" are completely irrelevant.
You cannot have state sponsored religion in the United States of America. It is illegal, and it's also morally wrong to hold religious services in front of a captive audience who do not believe in your religion.
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On May 28 2011 04:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I don't know why everyone wants him to say he has an inclination towards one or the other
If he literally wants to say he is 50% / 50%, let him be.
You can't half believe something...lol you either do or you don't.
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On May 28 2011 04:20 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:15 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist As someone brought up earlier I'm probably Undecided Agnostic if there were levels of Agnosticism. Which puts me in neutral, does it not? No, your a negative atheist. "Negative atheism refers to any other type of non-theism, wherein a person doesn't hold a belief in the existence of any deity, but does not claim that same statement is false. However, both positive and negative atheism reject theistic claims as unsupported by evidence."
Negative Atheism is just another way to say Weak Atheism/Agnostic Atheism.
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On May 28 2011 04:20 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:15 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:11 mdma-_- wrote:On May 28 2011 04:08 KoKoRo wrote:On May 28 2011 04:04 Leporello wrote:On May 28 2011 03:57 KoKoRo wrote:
Or as a thinking person you'd ask for proof that your neighbor caught a shark if they have doubt, whether it be picture form or other. There are many type of sharks and catching sharks isn't uncommon or impossible.
. The question isn't "Is there a God?" The question is "Do you believe there is a God?" If I asked you if you believe your neighbor caught a shark, and you say "I don't know", you're not answering the question. Of course you don't know -- you don't have a picture. But what's your opinion? What do you believe? If someone asks you if you're atheist or theist, agnosticism is not answering the question.If you don't want to tell people your beliefs, that's your right, and I respect that. But please don't think agnosticism is a categorical answer to whether or not you believe in God. It isn't. Or I can answer, "It's a possibility." Which I neither deny or accept the fact he caught a shark. You trollin ? i can call the existence of god a possibility, whilst still believing that he doesnt exist and theefore i am still an (agnostic) atheist As someone brought up earlier I'm probably Undecided Agnostic if there were levels of Agnosticism. Which puts me in neutral, does it not? No, your a negative atheist. "Negative atheism refers to any other type of non-theism, wherein a person doesn't hold a belief in the existence of any deity, but does not claim that same statement is false. However, both positive and negative atheism reject theistic claims as unsupported by evidence."
It puts me in neutral, does it not?
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On May 28 2011 04:21 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I don't know why everyone wants him to say he has an inclination towards one or the other
If he literally wants to say he is 50% / 50%, let him be. You can't half believe something...lol you either do or you don't.
I just flipped a coin. Do you believe it landed with the "heads" side facing up?
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Dear Lord in Heaven, agnosticism isn't what the thread is about! Stop trying to convince the guy is an atheist. No one cares. He says he's agnostic. Can we move on?
This is about separation of church and state. This is about Christians who completely ostracized someone for upholding the law. This is about atheists coming to aid of a kid who did something stupid but right IMO.
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On May 28 2011 04:21 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 04:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I don't know why everyone wants him to say he has an inclination towards one or the other
If he literally wants to say he is 50% / 50%, let him be. You can't half believe something...lol you either do or you don't.
I disagree, you do can believe that you don't know  Maybe you just admit you don't know enough to form an opinion?
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