Haha yeah, I do indeed do what you mean. Have listened to most kinds of trance for 13 years and the anticlimax parts annoys me to death, you have an awesome buildup and are just waiting for it... then it dies. I hate it so bad and I can not for the love of god understand why people like it, I also find the same problem with most Dubstep and that song is not a bad example =)
Just wanna say that you are on the right track, I can point loads of songs and artists that has this problem and one who comes to mind is actually Tiesto, he has a few song which are not like that but so many of his productions just dies after the most awesome build up and not only do I hate it I find it really sad.
Edit: Why not post a track while I'm at it, not the best example but a fun one, first 3 minutes you have the most amazing build up then, gone.
Edit2: Here is how it should be with my all time favorite track, leave you at the ultimate climax 2:19, you have a long amazing build up at 3:15 it just explodes.
On May 09 2011 21:29 Impervious wrote: There are some songs that don't disappoint.
That's a pretty good example imo.
The dubstep ruined that song.
Wonderful buildup, and then he descends into the abyss that is known as dubstep. Deadmau5 should leave the dubstep to Skillrex.
On Daft Punk, go listen to their Alive 2007 album. They definitely know how to make climaxes.
Epicness all around. Daft Punk just doesn't do it on every track, which would make things incredibly boring. I like the fact that their music isn't always the same.
I'll also give two examples that are in my opinion bad or good climaxes.
I can deal with anticlimaxes in music. Climax is cliche. I think part of it is the abruptness and lack or harmonious transition or even similarity in theme which is present in a lot of dubstep. Some songs are just bad, and just because they sample another good song and string some filthy drops into it, it doesn't mean it's going to turn out as good as one might imagine.
On May 09 2011 20:49 Suisen wrote: People that create this kind of music just don't know how to write music. This is the result.
People that make electronic music ignore everything that we have learned a about music before them. They live in a word of their own and don't realize the rules of music are universal. The creators of this music aren't interested in what chords are, what harmony is, etc.
One of the main reason is probably because many don't play an instrument and can't improvise anyway. They just copy paste together stuff until they find something that sounds good.
In classical music form is of the utmost important. Every musical element needs to be handled with meticulous care.
Music is both an art and a science. I don't think people in the electronic music world realize either of them. People just lack an academic background.
This is total BS. Some of the greatest (classical) music ever written was written by people with hardly any formal music education at all. And most of the 'academic' music that's currently made is absolutely horrific and are pretty much scientific knockoffs of things that have been done 20 times before.
Music requires creativity, not formal education, without this creativity any formal education is useless. Having it, and then receiving a formal education helps some, hurts others. Music isn't math and it sure as hell shouldn't be taught like it.
What you're misunderstanding is that the classic composers that didn't have a "formal education" still understanded the fundamentals of composing and their creativity blows any kind of modern dubstep garbage out of the water.
I'm not just hating on dubstep, the music industry and easily satisfied minds have turned away from what's truly good in music and are just looking for "the next big thing" so to speak.
Well you have to look at what dubstep did to itself. By being defined in that genre any of the creativity that the person making it becomes limited within that genre. This is why I hate specific genres and subgenres of music. It severely restricts artists creativity. It happens very often in metal and popular country. It's actually really bad in metal.
Check out Morbid Angel. They're credited with being one of the catalysts for American death metal. If you ask them what their style is they say "oh we're just a regular metal band, that's all. We play what the fuck we want to as long as it's heavy and brutal." Look at discography reviews and you have fans who love the first album but hate the rest because they didn't make five copies of that first album. Like dude, if you want to listen to a band that never changes their sound and can't ever top their hit album within those limits, listen to Slayer.
An easier example is Metallica. They they put out Fade to Black on Ride the Lightning and fans are "uh, what is this girly shit we can't like this it! But the rest of the album slays so that's ok...forgiven." Then Black Album comes out? They're done. Alienated the fans who wanted to restrict what would be acceptable for them to play. But in their case they went where there would be more fans. Anyways.
This is happening right now in dubstep albeit in a different almost opposite way. The pressure to make dubstep a specific way so that it is a hit with fans is so great that rarely are people experimenting with it anymore. You have old dubstep fans who have been into it for the last ten years. Then the last 3 when it got popular all the dubstep changed into one specific sound and rarely goes outside those borders. Boring, and that's why it generates hate.
Well I can't really speak of the trends in the dubstup scene... I am familiar with metal and your analogies (I prefer old Morbid Angel btw :D). I feel this doesn't really translate well though to where I was going with my arguement.
To put it simply and to avoid rampling on for 5 pages which I so desperately want to, I think most people just don't really enjoy music. People like flailing their bodies in a mosh pit and grinding on slutty women in clubs to music that sounds like a clown fucking a dishwasher on exctasy.
On May 09 2011 20:49 Suisen wrote: People that create this kind of music just don't know how to write music. This is the result.
People that make electronic music ignore everything that we have learned a about music before them. They live in a word of their own and don't realize the rules of music are universal. The creators of this music aren't interested in what chords are, what harmony is, etc.
One of the main reason is probably because many don't play an instrument and can't improvise anyway. They just copy paste together stuff until they find something that sounds good.
In classical music form is of the utmost important. Every musical element needs to be handled with meticulous care.
Music is both an art and a science. I don't think people in the electronic music world realize either of them. People just lack an academic background.
This is total BS. Some of the greatest (classical) music ever written was written by people with hardly any formal music education at all. And most of the 'academic' music that's currently made is absolutely horrific and are pretty much scientific knockoffs of things that have been done 20 times before.
Music requires creativity, not formal education, without this creativity any formal education is useless. Having it, and then receiving a formal education helps some, hurts others. Music isn't math and it sure as hell shouldn't be taught like it.
What you're misunderstanding is that the classic composers that didn't have a "formal education" still understanded the fundamentals of composing and their creativity blows any kind of modern dubstep garbage out of the water.
I'm not just hating on dubstep, the music industry and easily satisfied minds have turned away from what's truly good in music and are just looking for "the next big thing" so to speak.
This is bizarre , you are comparing a few well known classical composers who have stood the test of time (IE hundreds of years) to a large number of recent electronic artists.
I can bet you at the time of Bachs peak there were hundreds , thousands of inferior composers who no-one can recall now.You can't just pick the best of the best classical artist and compare them to some middle of the road dubstep producer.Let electonica run for a couple hundred years and you will find composers on the same level as the classical maestros , but as i have said before you will have to wade through a lot of crap (no different to Beethovens or Vivaldis time)
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Lol sorry but i think by then people would realize thats dubstep can't possible provide anything TRULY worthwhile.
On May 09 2011 20:49 Suisen wrote: People that create this kind of music just don't know how to write music. This is the result.
People that make electronic music ignore everything that we have learned a about music before them. They live in a word of their own and don't realize the rules of music are universal. The creators of this music aren't interested in what chords are, what harmony is, etc.
One of the main reason is probably because many don't play an instrument and can't improvise anyway. They just copy paste together stuff until they find something that sounds good.
In classical music form is of the utmost important. Every musical element needs to be handled with meticulous care.
Music is both an art and a science. I don't think people in the electronic music world realize either of them. People just lack an academic background.
Holy generalization dude... Wow, just wow...
As a fan of Trance and eletronic music in general, I am deeply offended by these ignorant remarks. I would know better than engage in a debate with trolls like you but I couldn't resist it.
Hope you can eventually open your eyes and ears for a second and realize there are more to music than your narrow current understanding.
On May 09 2011 23:37 ~ava wrote: I tried listening to every youtube clip in this thread but I don't feel anything listening to this music, I don't experience anything and it just seems like a bunch of blips and swooshy noises, in my view disappointing. Edit: maybe it's better with drugs?
That reminds me of myself something like... 16years ago (yes I'm old). Really didn't see what the point of electronic music was, I was actually very sceptical, then I went to a techno club for the first time in my life and my mind got BLOWN. (and no, I didn't take any drugs, never did since that. I must admit many people do though) Really helped that the club was one of the best in the world (Fuse in Brussels) and the guest DJ was a rocking superstar (Dave Clarke) but it was an epiphany and I can remember that day like it was yesterday. I went there and never came back. Ever since that I can't really imagine ever growing tired of that kind of stuff.
A somewhat recent track that had me jumping all around. Pretty short break at the beginning that really gets me in the mood, one with a real build up at the end. Very well done IMO. Works with me at least. :D
Also this. Pretty old school but when I read about building up to climax I couldn't help but think about this track, which is basically 4 minutes intro, 5 minutes build up, 1minute resolution of the build up, the end.
I've noticed this as well. Tt's my opinion that an 'anti-climax' has the potential to enhance a song when used sparingly, but like many new things it's abused obsessively and has become just plain annoying. Trends like auto-tune in pop music, the wobble in dubstep, and minor pentatonic leads in rock all fall into this category in my experience.
Those 2 songs put in the OP are just... bad. Those are the reasons why I'm really picky when listening to any sort of electronic music, especially dubstep. In the dubstep song, it sounds like someone just mashed a bunch of buttons together for the entire song. The beginning was downright awesome though.
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