EPTOsama's death is the closing of a long obsession, initiated by the Bush regime. It is the symbolic closure to Al-Qaeda and terrorism, although terrorism will continue to reign as long as the US continues oppression and disregard of localised culture and government systems. Osama's death is not the product of justice, it is the product of vengeance. It is also symbolic of the fact that the US will go halfway around the world, fire big missiles at random canyons and caves, torture hundreds for information, flatten towns and villages, kill innocents and deal collateral damage to a whole nation of people, just to demonstrate that it won't be messed around with. Most of us can go on living as if nothing happened today but at least there is finally a symbolic closure to this episode.
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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
Osama's death is the closing of a long obsession, initiated by the Bush regime. It is the symbolic closure to Al-Qaeda and terrorism, although terrorism will continue to reign as long as the US continues oppression and disregard of localised culture and government systems. Osama's death is not the product of justice, it is the product of vengeance. It is also symbolic of the fact that the US will go halfway around the world, fire big missiles at random canyons and caves, torture hundreds for information, flatten towns and villages, kill innocents and deal collateral damage to a whole nation of people, just to demonstrate that it won't be messed around with. Most of us can go on living as if nothing happened today but at least there is finally a symbolic closure to this episode. | ||
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samiamquinn
Australia137 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:15 tyCe wrote: I wrote something way too long but I thought it might have been too provocative to some of our American firends here, so this is the summary: Osama's death is the closing of a long obsession, initiated by the Bush regime. It is the symbolic closure to Al-Qaeda and terrorism, although terrorism will continue to reign as long as the US continues oppression and disregard of localised culture and government systems. Osama's death is not the product of justice, it is the product of vengeance. It is also symbolic of the fact that the US will go halfway around the world, fire big missiles at random canyons and caves, torture hundreds for information, flatten towns and villages, kill innocents and deal collateral damage to a whole nation of people, just to demonstrate that it won't be messed around with. Most of us can go on living as if nothing happened today but at least there is finally a symbolic closure to this episode. Sums it up perfectly. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:12 samiamquinn wrote: America killed more innocent Afghanistanian civilians finding Bin Laden. We don't see Afghanistanian soldiers coming over to America and killing George Bush and his family. America seems to think the things other countries do to it are unacceptable but they have no hesitation doing whatever they want to other countries. Also I find it totally barbaric that people are celebrating his death. I'm in no way sad the man is dead but its disgusting and pretty much asking for retaliation from Afghanistan. See and everyone knows these facts yet they still disrespect us like he did on our soil. Yet what he did wasn't barbaric and people are whining that he deserves a proper funeral when there are literally hundreds that haven't had funerals or any trace of their bodies found? Give me a break. | ||
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GxZ
United States375 Posts
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
'Victory,' 'Justice is served,' you say, but at what cost? And what does killing Bin Laden, or to an extent, Hussein, changes? There is no end to vengeance. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:15 tyCe wrote: I wrote something way too long but I thought it might have been too provocative to some of our American firends here, so this is the summary: Osama's death is the closing of a long obsession, initiated by the Bush regime. It is the symbolic closure to Al-Qaeda and terrorism, although terrorism will continue to reign as long as the US continues oppression and disregard of localised culture and government systems. Osama's death is not the product of justice, it is the product of vengeance. It is also symbolic of the fact that the US will go halfway around the world, fire big missiles at random canyons and caves, torture hundreds for information, flatten towns and villages, kill innocents and deal collateral damage to a whole nation of people, just to demonstrate that it won't be messed around with. Most of us can go on living as if nothing happened today but at least there is finally a symbolic closure to this episode. really like the conclusion, everything can happen while we're not disconnected from the net (on tl :D) | ||
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Quesa
United States304 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:12 samiamquinn wrote:America killed more innocent Afghanistanian civilians finding Bin Laden. We don't see Afghanistanian soldiers coming over to America and killing George Bush and his family. America seems to think the things other countries do to it are unacceptable but they have no hesitation doing whatever they want to other countries. Sigh.. yeah.. the most depressing part of the runup to the 2008 presidential election was realizing that whoever I voted for wouldn't put an end to blowing up villages with drones and hellfire missiles  | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:31 blackone wrote: Germans are very much against America, is how I would put it. €dit: Don't mean to generalize, not all of them of course. But the amount of anti-american racism in Germany is disturbing. It's amazing how wrong a simple three-line post can be. Your absurd theory doesn't need discussion, but the general feeling of "Germans are kinda weird in this matter" in this thread does. The majority of Germans here on TL not immediately chiming in to the general celebration don't do so because they "hate the USA" or because of another wacky reason. We do so because a person's death shouldn't trigger a nation-wide party. Celebrate justice if you are personally involved in 9/11 or the following conflicts, I guess it's ok then and I'd probably do the same. However, 99,9% of all people aren't and are just celebrating vengeance and a killing. As I've said before in this thread, it is a good thing that Bin Laden has been brought to justice, and the world probably is a better place with one less person like him. Still, someone has been killed, and that doesn't negate the terrible things done before. It just adds another body to the pile. People shouldn't rejoice over someone's death, that's all. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:12 samiamquinn wrote: America killed more innocent Afghanistanian civilians finding Bin Laden. We don't see Afghanistanian soldiers coming over to America and killing George Bush and his family. America seems to think the things other countries do to it are unacceptable but they have no hesitation doing whatever they want to other countries. Also I find it totally barbaric that people are celebrating his death. I'm in no way sad the man is dead but its disgusting and pretty much asking for retaliation from Afghanistan. We weren't at war with Afghanistan. We were are war with the Taliban. I'm sure there will be retaliation of some sort, but I think it's pretty normal for people to celebrate the death of the mastermind behind one of the most heinous attacks against your country in its history. Of course capture would have been infinitely better, but we all knew that the chances were slim to none that this guy would have allowed himself to be taken alive in any scenario. I don't disagree that we've caused more damage and destroyed more lives in our quest for vengeance, but turning the other cheek would have made the government lose legitimacy with its citizens as well as the rest of the world. A country in the USA's position cannot afford to display weakness. Chalk it up to politics or human nature, but everything that followed was really inevitable any way you look at it. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:15 tyCe wrote: I wrote something way too long but I thought it might have been too provocative to some of our American firends here, so this is the summary: Osama's death is the closing of a long obsession, initiated by the Bush regime. It is the symbolic closure to Al-Qaeda and terrorism, although terrorism will continue to reign as long as the US continues oppression and disregard of localised culture and government systems. Osama's death is not the product of justice, it is the product of vengeance. It is also symbolic of the fact that the US will go halfway around the world, fire big missiles at random canyons and caves, torture hundreds for information, flatten towns and villages, kill innocents and deal collateral damage to a whole nation of people, just to demonstrate that it won't be messed around with. Most of us can go on living as if nothing happened today but at least there is finally a symbolic closure to this episode. Initiated by the Clinton regime after the bombing of American embassies in the late 90's... the hunt was on for Osama before the events of 9/11. Though yes I do agree with your conclusions. | ||
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demonik187
United States575 Posts
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves. | ||
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Gracksaurusrex
United Kingdom171 Posts
just american cover up there is evidence that this has actually happened | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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Imres
515 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due. So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves. Who really started this shit? Russians with 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, US who gave weapon to Osama/Taliban... America nerver saved the world asses sorry, USSR 'd win WW2 almost alone, WW1 was a tie... find something else dude. User was warned for this post | ||
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Robje
Netherlands1044 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves. So, how many times exactly? | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
Enough times that you aren't posting from Germany. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 02 2011 21:25 Imres wrote: Who really started this shit? Russians with 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, US who gave weapon to Osama/Taliban... America nerver saved the world asses sorry, USSR 'd win WW2 almost alone, WW1 was a tie... find something else dude. lol, no. User was warned for this post | ||
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
We should be on hightened security and awareness. There are two simple reasons: 1) Bin Laden supporters could be angry and may attempt to get some sort of revenge on Americans(ANY Americans, please be careful when traveling out of country!. 2) The new Al Qaeda leader may want to show that they are still relevent. These attacks may be against both Americans and Isrealists. | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
You'd be living in the third Reich right now if the USA didn't eventually decide to stop Germany with brute military force. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
My heart goes out to all those who suffered on 9/11 and to those who continue to suffer from hate and violence across the world. | ||
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