Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
If you want to include bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki as saving the world's ass, then the answer to your question is 'once'.
edit: Apologies for this. This statement was way out of line and I worded it the wrong way.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due.
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
Who really started this shit? Russians with 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, US who gave weapon to Osama/Taliban... America nerver saved the world asses sorry, USSR 'd win WW2 almost alone, WW1 was a tie... find something else dude.
lol, no.
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90% of german forces where on the east front, and japanese didn't care (that was Stalin's biggest fear) about USSR. So, yes, US did nothing in Europe.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due.
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
Patriotism: The belief that going to extraordinary lengths and spending tons of lives in order to retaliate against another group who killed some of your citizens is justified.
In my opinion, the billions could have been spent keeping people alive, and the soldiers that would be alive today could have been spending a nice May sunday with their family, instead of dying in order to support a country's revenge.
On May 02 2011 21:19 HereBeDragons wrote: The way to stop violence is not with more violence. In the end, was it all worth it? Really? The damage dealt via costs, time, and lives spent to find him was almost as devastating if not more than the incident of 9/11 itself. A decade of war left a trail of destruction behind it.
'Victory,' 'Justice is served,' you say, but at what cost? And what does killing Bin Laden or Hussein changes? There is no end to vengeance.
Well Afganistan is no longer a country with a state supported terrorist network operating in it, and Iraq's people have elected leaders. While America has committed injustices during the invasions and occupations, in the end those will be weighed against the state that Iraq and Afghanistan are in when the United states finally pulls out. If they are left as stable democracies in one of the most instable regions in the world it might end up being seen as worth it, if they aren't then Americas intervention will be rightfully seen as a tragic waste of life.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due.
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
1.When did you save the world's ass? 2.What do you think that needs to be done in the world? 3.What do you think of the countless coups and killings around the world orchestrated by the CIA and other american secret agencies to propagate their interests? 4.Why didnt the american government accept the talibans offer to hand them Bin Laden if there was proof of his involvement in the 911 attacks? 5.What did you felt when they told you they had an opportunity to capture Osama Bin Laden and they got orders not to proceed? 6.Its not Osama Bin Ladens fault that you attacked Iraq.
On May 02 2011 21:25 Imres wrote:USSR 'd win WW2 almost alone.
Is this a bad joke? The Soviets were getting their asses kicked due to their inferior tech and had to resort to burning down their own towns and supplies to stall the Nazi advance. Why do you think they were so insistent on opening another front? The USA played an absolutely crucial part in both World Wars. While "save the world" might be pushing it, pretending like things would have worked out fine without US participation would be as well.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
So, how many times exactly?
- And how many countries were destroyed while they're saving the world? - America joined both world wars when half of the fighting already happened. - Did they ever asked any country, such as Iraq, that they wanted to be saved?
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
If you want to include bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki as saving the world's ass, then the answer to your question is 'once'.
Hey man aussies played a pivotal role in world war 2. You declare war on germany and had some of finest sailors in the world help secure the pacific theatre. We saved many australian lives too by not conducting a land invasion.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due.
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
It's more about how many times the US have done terrible things. That's what's being remembered and outweighs the "good" that has been done by the US in many peoples eyes, including mine. More civilians were killed because of the hunt for Osama than he actually killed.
Thats unfair. If we counted all of the atrocities every country has committed, then no one deserves any sympathy.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: Yes, I celebrate the death of a man who was responsible for an attack on my country. I don't care what his intentions were and how justified he thought he was in doing it. His actions caused the death of not only my countryman but other countries people as well, including his own. Don't forget about the troops from other countries that fought alongside us in this war. All those lives lost for a conflict he initiated... Yeah I'd say for that his death was due.
So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
Who really started this shit? Russians with 1979 invasion of Afghanistan, US who gave weapon to Osama/Taliban... America nerver saved the world asses sorry, USSR 'd win WW2 almost alone, WW1 was a tie... find something else dude.
lol, no.
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90% of german forces where on the east front, and japanese didn't care (that was Stalin's biggest fear) about USSR. So, yes, US did nothing in Europe.
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Sorry but if not for the lend lease agreement by USA, things could have turned out differently.
Every thread on TL dealing with the US is just the euros talking about their hate for America, guys. Just let them do their thing.. happens every thread.
Sigh...Europe - the land of false pretences. As an Asian who has lived in both Europe and America, from a neutral point of view, the Americans should at least be given some credit for their honesty. Anecdotally, Europe is one of the most xenophobic, racist places for an Asian person to be in. Yet Europeans insist on pretending that they like everyone with their fundamental rights spiel. This thread is a perfect reflection of the contradiction that is Europe.
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
If you want to include bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki as saving the world's ass, then the answer to your question is 'once'.
No some people in Europe hate America because of the Americans sitting on their arses at their computers shouting 'You ungrateful sons of bitches how many times do we have to save the whole world single handedly before we get some respect around here? Remember when George Washington bitch slapped Hitler, in Vietnam? You fuckin' pansies!'
That's you. I am not one of those haters, but god damn son if you really think that then you need to travel more, or something.
(P.S. I, personally, would not include bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 'saving the world's ass' given that the European Axis powers were already defeated)
On May 02 2011 21:22 demonik187 wrote: So some people in Europe hate America for doing what needs to be done in the world? To those people I say: Get over yourselves. You think we go to war because it's fun? We do it because no one else will. How many times has America saved the world's ass? What do we get for it? Unwarranted hate and criticism. Get off our back or fill the role your selves.
If you want to include bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki as saving the world's ass, then the answer to your question is 'once'.
Whoa whoa whoa. People are OK with this statement? wtf. I don't think bombing a country and spreading nuclear disaster can save anyone. And no, saying that it ended the WW is not an excuse.
On May 02 2011 21:19 HereBeDragons wrote: The way to stop violence is not with more violence. In the end, was it all worth it? Really? The damage dealt via costs, time, and lives spent to find him was almost as devastating if not more than the incident of 9/11 itself. A decade of war left a trail of destruction behind it.
'Victory,' 'Justice is served,' you say, but at what cost? And what does killing Bin Laden or Hussein changes? There is no end to vengeance.
Well Afganistan is no longer a country with a state supported terrorist network operating in it, and Iraq's people have elected leaders. While America has committed injustices during the invasions and occupations, in the end those will be weighed against the state that Iraq and Afghanistan are in when the United states finally pulls out. If they are left as stable democracies in one of the most instable regions in the world it might end up being seen as worth it, if they aren't then Americas intervention will be rightfully seen as a tragic waste of life.
China, Myanmar, and a lot of African nations don't have an elected leader either, I don't see the US trying to 'save' the 2 billion Chineses, or those other country without tons of oil. It was never about tyranny. And are you sure you just 'saved' them?
Terrorism can't be killed, al qaeda isn't the first one to do it, and won't be the last.
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