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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7219 Posts
April 04 2011 02:46 GMT
#361
there seems to be a much more strict deal with religion discussions nowadays. Idra and myself wouldve gotten banned a bunch before = ). Finally got banned once after i got sick of dealing with the people in the sc2 forum. Was actually shocked I was banned tbh.

Topics get closed really fast nowadays though =(
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
April 04 2011 02:48 GMT
#362
On April 04 2011 11:42 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 11:40 Zieg wrote:
I got banned for the username "Sieg"

Apparently, it offends German users. Every time it's by that Kennegit kid.

Actually you've been warned/banned by several mods over several accounts... and it's no surprise really with the attitude you have. LOL "Kennigit kid"

was just about to quote it and the [red] was inserted had to do a double take


I got a 2fer for saying someone can go TUCK themself in

no complaints though it's understandable


I find the best thing to do when you write out your post is think do you really care THAT much about the topic and unless you care about everything the answer will most likely be no and then you just click back and forget it ever existed
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
April 04 2011 02:55 GMT
#363
Got a warning once, but then Plexa showed me how to be a better poster.

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Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 02:59:27
April 04 2011 02:56 GMT
#364
On April 04 2011 03:51 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.


It never fails - I see someone complaining about moderation, check their history, and sure enough, they've racked up quite a few warnings/bans. Hint: I'm talking about you.
It actually failed quite a few times, there have been a lot of people in this thread who complained about moderation, have they all gotten warnings or bans?

Should I make the 'connection' that your searched us all but I was the only person you could pick dirt on? This entire thread is filled with people who have been some-what observant of a loose banhammer.

I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.

There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.

However, no one is banned for the argument they were trying to make. They get banned for their attitude, their delivery, their offensive/aggressive nature, etc. etc. You can be right all you want, but if you have the attitude "I'm RIGHT and you guys are fucking idiots, stfu", then guess what? You're getting banned.
The person I spoke off above had no attitude whatsoever, he just said it in one sentence and got banned for saying nonsense.

Also, do you honestly hold yourself in such regard that you are able to flawlessly perceive this 'attitude' through the plain text on a forum? Which was more or less the thing I spoke off.

1st warning - created a new topic for something there were MANY existing topics on. Content irrelevant.
I did a search on 'Sentry first' and found no topic about it.

2nd warning - Bring up an argument in a thread were it was unrelated, thus derailing that topic. The mod even recommended creating a new topic on it. Again, content irrelevant.
I don't see how discussing the validity and reliability of Myers Briggs is unrelated to a topic ABOUT Myers-Briggs?

Interestingly enough, the warning note said that it was comprehensive and the kind of posting that they wanted to encourage, just off topic.

I honestly don't see the off-topic part about discussing the validity of the system in a thread that hopes to use that system to gather some meaningful perspective.

1st ban - Insulting post directed at a specific contributing and long time member of the community. Content irrelevant.
Insulting?

I said I agreed with him but felt that it was not the way to show it, I never used any offensive language or anything like that.

2nd ban - Sarcastic/smart reply in a thread. Content irrelevant.
No, it wasn't 'sarcastic' at all or 'trolling' as the mod called it. Admittedly it was in Finnish in a Finnish threat but it was quite all quite serious. I basically said in Finnish 'I signed up, because I find interesting the quirks if Finnish culture' and then proceeded to mention something about suicide rates, which I think is interesting from a cultural perspective which some people perceive as trolling apparently.

See a trend here? None of the disciplinary action has ANYTHING to do with how "right or wrong" you were. Why? Because it doesn't matter.

And if you try to claim that your vague generalizations are NOT about you, please by all means, link me to some examples.
As far as this forum: going through the automated ban list:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12465

Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12460

Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=616#12325

This one seems especially suspicious.

I'm just saying, a lot of people do seem to get the hurt a lot for just speaking their mind about respected people. Not really the stuff I would find ban-worthy, of course, there are a lot of cases in the ban thread that is warranted, but really, the last one is pretty far off I'd say, especially the reason.

And yes, I do get into conflict with establishments at quite a few case and like to argue technicalia to the point that a lot of people find that I argue for the sake of arguing minutiae. But that's not the core of my point, the core of my point is that it's very hard to read 'attitude' through simple text on a forum and it's thus a though and very subjective criterion to ban people on.

Also, it's only human to read an 'arrogant attitude' when you simply don't agree with someone. Take HuK some people say his attitude his arrogant, other people say he's really friendly. 'Attitude' seems to be a pretty subjective quality that is in the eye of the beholder.
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Killerkerara
Profile Joined April 2011
United States6 Posts
April 04 2011 03:00 GMT
#365
As you can see by my post count, I just made this account. I've been coming to TL for many months now for all my SC2 news and streams, and finally decided to register myself and contribute a little. I know TL as the strictest, most pleasant gaming community I've ever seen. I will probably fear a warning or ban for quite some time until I get settled in.
"Whale Shark is the devourer of the slow moving and inattentive. This includes plankton, whales, and AFK players. Whale Shark swims where and how it pleases. Whale Shark /spits on your science." -- Daxxarri
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:23:55
April 04 2011 03:09 GMT
#366
After 6 months and 1k posts I have yet to be warned so I figure I must be doing something right when I post with the 10 commandments of tl.net in mind and when you know I read the OP


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 04 2011 11:56 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 03:51 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 03 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.


It never fails - I see someone complaining about moderation, check their history, and sure enough, they've racked up quite a few warnings/bans. Hint: I'm talking about you.
It actually failed quite a few times, there have been a lot of people in this thread who complained about moderation, have they all gotten warnings or bans?

Should I make the 'connection' that your searched us all but I was the only person you could pick dirt on? This entire thread is filled with people who have been some-what observant of a loose banhammer.

Show nested quote +
I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.

There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.

Show nested quote +
However, no one is banned for the argument they were trying to make. They get banned for their attitude, their delivery, their offensive/aggressive nature, etc. etc. You can be right all you want, but if you have the attitude "I'm RIGHT and you guys are fucking idiots, stfu", then guess what? You're getting banned.
The person I spoke off above had no attitude whatsoever, he just said it in one sentence and got banned for saying nonsense.

Also, do you honestly hold yourself in such regard that you are able to flawlessly perceive this 'attitude' through the plain text on a forum? Which was more or less the thing I spoke off.

Show nested quote +
1st warning - created a new topic for something there were MANY existing topics on. Content irrelevant.
I did a search on 'Sentry first' and found no topic about it.

Show nested quote +
2nd warning - Bring up an argument in a thread were it was unrelated, thus derailing that topic. The mod even recommended creating a new topic on it. Again, content irrelevant.
I don't see how discussing the validity and reliability of Myers Briggs is unrelated to a topic ABOUT Myers-Briggs?

Interestingly enough, the warning note said that it was comprehensive and the kind of posting that they wanted to encourage, just off topic.

I honestly don't see the off-topic part about discussing the validity of the system in a thread that hopes to use that system to gather some meaningful perspective.

Show nested quote +
1st ban - Insulting post directed at a specific contributing and long time member of the community. Content irrelevant.
Insulting?

I said I agreed with him but felt that it was not the way to show it, I never used any offensive language or anything like that.

Show nested quote +
2nd ban - Sarcastic/smart reply in a thread. Content irrelevant.
No, it wasn't 'sarcastic' at all or 'trolling' as the mod called it. Admittedly it was in Finnish in a Finnish threat but it was quite all quite serious. I basically said in Finnish 'I signed up, because I find interesting the quirks if Finnish culture' and then proceeded to mention something about suicide rates, which I think is interesting from a cultural perspective which some people perceive as trolling apparently.

Show nested quote +
See a trend here? None of the disciplinary action has ANYTHING to do with how "right or wrong" you were. Why? Because it doesn't matter.

And if you try to claim that your vague generalizations are NOT about you, please by all means, link me to some examples.
As far as this forum: going through the automated ban list:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12465

Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12460

Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=616#12325

This one seems especially suspicious.

I'm just saying, a lot of people do seem to get the hurt a lot for just speaking their mind about respected people. Not really the stuff I would find ban-worthy, of course, there are a lot of cases in the ban thread that is warranted, but really, the last one is pretty far off I'd say, especially the reason.

And yes, I do get into conflict with establishments at quite a few case and like to argue technicalia to the point that a lot of people find that I argue for the sake of arguing minutiae. But that's not the core of my point, the core of my point is that it's very hard to read 'attitude' through simple text on a forum and it's thus a though and very subjective criterion to ban people on.

Also, it's only human to read an 'arrogant attitude' when you simply don't agree with someone. Take HuK some people say his attitude his arrogant, other people say he's really friendly. 'Attitude' seems to be a pretty subjective quality that is in the eye of the beholder.



I really think you need to sit back and relax. The examples you give of what I can only assume is a "power hungry mod named evilteletubby" are poor at best. Anyone who has been on this forum for a while can look at all the examples you gave and objectively say that in the context they were made they were all way out of line with the rules of Teamliquid. Especially ones referencing community figureheads since you know respecting your elders and those who have put time into the community is pretty high up on the TL commandment list.

Singling out Teletubby for his moderation work that keeps these forums from being a Terrible terrible sh**show is pretty low IMO as well and further works against your position that the moderation on this site is strict.

TL has always been known as a strict forum where rules are upheld and a certain decorum of respect has been gained as a result. I feel you need to take a step back and remove yourself from the situation before you get yourself in more trouble or perhaps visit another website/forum about SC2 if you feel so strongly that the moderation here is unfair in any particular or specific way.

EDIT: placed a spoiler tag on the quote tree to cut down post length
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gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
April 04 2011 03:20 GMT
#367
On April 04 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote:
After 6 months and 1k posts I have yet to be warned so I figure I must be doing something right when I post with the 10 commandments of tl.net in mind and when you know I read the OP


What a coincidence. I read your post and thought exactly it was my profile you're talking about (TL entry and post count), well except for the warnings/bans
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:35:33
April 04 2011 03:21 GMT
#368
I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned.

I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways.

I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there.

I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't?

I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull.

As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place...


EDIT: Just some other note, I think that there are FAR more cases of NOT banned when needed than BANNED when not needed. My case I think was unwarranted, the other poster above even agreed it was, but I will not complain anymore
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:29:17
April 04 2011 03:27 GMT
#369
I got banned for this post:

"I'm glad MC took the title in this fashion. It will open Blizzard's eye on how to balance the game..."

For two weeks. I didn't check teamliquid after that. It's ridiculous that 100+ people get banned for a game final thread. It's suppose to be controversial. It's suppose to be hyped. If you look at any other sports, the same thing happen. People talk about the big match for weeks, and most of the time its controversial. It's part of game spirit, and to ban someone because of something so insignificant is absurd and degrades the community. A warning would have made more sense, or even 1 day ban was even okay. Its a fricken finals thread, what the hell. After the big day, the hype will be decrease and people will post more sensible.

This 80 of the 100 people will probably be less active on teamliquid more or less quit the entire thing. Good thing for teamliquid its practically the only website that gives quick news and actually have people posting in them. I have been just following gomTV and looking at playXP/fomos to try to decipher the korean, so its not so bad. This kind of regulation will always tell me to stay away from posting and not pay attention to anything related to teamliquid( i like jinro tho XD).
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:41:24
April 04 2011 03:31 GMT
#370
On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned.

I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways.

I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there.

I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't?

I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull.

As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place...

On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:

EDIT: Just some other note, I think that there are FAR more cases of NOT banned when needed than BANNED when not needed. My case I think was unwarranted, the other poster above even agreed it was, but I will not complain anymore


Are you sure it has nothing to do with you calling selects play "bullshit" and claiming he lost your respect after a pretty awesome build? This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing. Also its just a two day ban, get over it, if you really post as well as you claim (and in your post history I found mostly one liners), then you'll never have to worry about the mods "injustly" banning you again.

Bottom line, good constructive criticizing of the mods and/or debate with them will not get you banned. Martyr posts like yours where "I got banned *once* in six years and this causes me to feel terror at posting and I may never post again" might.

Generally I've found the mods to be approachable, you can just shoot them a PM and they are more than willing to talk it out with you, assuming they aren't insanely occupied (like say in the middle of the MLG Dallas day2 LR thread)

EDIT: in reply to your edit, there is this lovely report button you have access to that can be used to summon a mod to get people who are posting stupid shit banned, its really handy, next time you see a post you think needs to be banned then click it and explain why the post is stupid. A mod will be on it before you can blink

On April 04 2011 12:27 Lokian wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I got banned for this post:

"I'm glad MC took the title in this fashion. It will open Blizzard's eye on how to balance the game..."

For two weeks. I didn't check teamliquid after that. It's ridiculous that 100+ people get banned for a game final thread. It's suppose to be controversial. It's suppose to be hyped. If you look at any other sports, the same thing happen. People talk about the big match for weeks, and most of the time its controversial. It's part of game spirit, and to ban someone because of something so insignificant is absurd and degrades the community. A warning would have made more sense, or even 1 day ban was even okay. Its a fricken finals thread, what the hell. After the big day, the hype will be decrease and people will post more sensible.

This 80 of the 100 people will probably be less active on teamliquid more or less quit the entire thing. Good thing for teamliquid its practically the only website that gives quick news and actually have people posting in them. I have been just following gomTV and looking at playXP/fomos to try to decipher the korean, so its not so bad. This kind of regulation will always tell me to stay away from posting and not pay attention to anything related to teamliquid( i like jinro tho XD).


I do believe that was the finals thread with the huge red text on top saying "any balance whine will receive a two week ban"? I'm glad the mods did that, its a LIVE REPORT thread, you know the resource where us poor sods who dont have access to gom player at the time can try to follow along. Its ok to cheer for your player, its better to post what is actually happening, its shameful to post balance whine. For me its a pain to have to read through 50 pages of "ff so imba" and "nerf protoss, zerg UP" while trying to piece what the hell happened because I can't get gom player to work on my computer. I dont see how punishing balance whine "degrades the community" and Im honestly pissed at all you people who insist that they are leaving or dont care as much on account of a single stupid ban, which was well deserved.
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Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
April 04 2011 03:41 GMT
#371
On April 04 2011 12:31 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned.

I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways.

I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there.

I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't?

I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull.

As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place...


Are you sure it has nothing to do with you calling selects play "bullshit" and claiming he lost your respect after a pretty awesome build? This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing. Also its just a two day ban, get over it, if you really post as well as you claim (and in your post history I found mostly one liners), then you'll never have to worry about the mods "injustly" banning you again.

Bottom line, good constructive criticizing of the mods and/or debate with them will not get you banned. Martyr posts like yours where "I got banned *once* in six years and this causes me to feel terror at posting and I may never post again" might.

Generally I've found the mods to be approachable, you can just shoot them a PM and they are more than willing to talk it out with you, assuming they aren't insanely occupied (like say in the middle of the MLG Dallas day2 LR thread)



I know which post got me banned, you even get a PM sent you for that, if you don't know. I don't know WHY I got banned for it. It is my opinion, I am NOT forced to respect Select for that build, and I am allowed to think it is Bullshit. I may not call it balanced or imbalanced, which I didn't. I may not call Select names, which I didn't. I didn't really understand.

And if I was banned because "This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing." then, it is not a good reason to ban someone.

I didn't say my posts were awesome and everyone should bow down to my perfect knowledge of the game. Most of my recent posts are one liners because they were from cheering over the GSL WC, which I think is fine (Since even mods do that often).

I won't answer to anyone else that quotes me and tries to call me out, like you did. Because it is pretty obvious I know which post got me banned and you're just trying to insult my intelligence, but I will not answer in the same fashion.
Latrommi
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States222 Posts
April 04 2011 03:41 GMT
#372
I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.

There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.


There is a difference of "simply stating nonsense" and being wrong. For example, if someone were to say you could support 4gate 1robo on one base, that's wrong. If someone were to say you can support 7gate 3robo on one base, then that's just being nonsensical. If you look at people who "simply state nonsense" that have all of one or two posts, you have to ask yourself, "is this really the type of person I want on my forum"? If they have more, then they have a history of "simply stating nonsense". BTW, you wanna link us to the post that got banned for that?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12465

Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way.

How is this NOT supposed to be meant in an insulting way. And even if it wasn't, with the amount of inC hate going around, the poster should have been smart enough to know not to say that.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

Jibba said it best. Replied to a post that had already been warned. My post count calls me a newbie, but even I know that you don't reply to a post that has been warned or banned.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks.

The "ignorant" part about this is him saying that Day9 gives no respect to his partner. If the poster watched any of his dailies or listened to SotG, the poster would know that Day9 does very much respect his partners.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12460

Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here.

If someone is gonna hate on a respected member of the community, they better have some damn good reasons why. This post doesn't do it, it just says that "x hates x"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=616#12325

This one seems especially suspicious.

This post is a perfect example for something that would start an unnecessary argument.

Wanna give some GOOD examples of people just stating nonsense and being banned for it?

In response to OP, I'm always scared of doing something wrong, lol. Even with this post, I'm wondering if I did something wrong.
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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
April 04 2011 03:53 GMT
#373
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 03:57:15
April 04 2011 03:54 GMT
#374
On April 04 2011 12:41 Latrommi wrote:
Show nested quote +
I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.

There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.


There is a difference of "simply stating nonsense" and being wrong. For example, if someone were to say you could support 4gate 1robo on one base, that's wrong. If someone were to say you can support 7gate 3robo on one base, then that's just being nonsensical. If you look at people who "simply state nonsense" that have all of one or two posts, you have to ask yourself, "is this really the type of person I want on my forum"? If they have more, then they have a history of "simply stating nonsense". BTW, you wanna link us to the post that got banned for that?
I'm not sure I can still search for that, it was pretty short.

But it was just an example of someone being banned for being wrong, and like I said, I agreed in this case, I was just contesting that people don't get banned for being wrong.


How is this NOT supposed to be meant in an insulting way.
Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?

This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.

Edit: To the cultural thing I outlined before again, In South Korean culture is it apparently not at all offensive to comment that people need to lose some weight, people don't take offence when you tell them apparently. What if a South Korean posted, ignorant of the fact that in American culture this is considered offensive just said 'Woohh, iNcontrol needs to lose some weight.', he could get banned while he meant nothing with it.

And even if it wasn't, with the amount of inC hate going around, the poster should have been smart enough to know not to say that.
Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

Jibba said it best. Replied to a post that had already been warned. My post count calls me a newbie, but even I know that you don't reply to a post that has been warned or banned.[/quote]I actually linked to the post below that, it just doesn't show well because it can't scroll down further.


The "ignorant" part about this is him saying that Day9 gives no respect to his partner. If the poster watched any of his dailies or listened to SotG, the poster would know that Day9 does very much respect his partners.
Or the poster simply disagrees with that?

Maybe he just feels after he watched it that Day[9] doesn't respect his partners?

Like I said, attitude is in the eye of the beholder.

If someone is gonna hate on a respected member of the community, they better have some damn good reasons why. This post doesn't do it, it just says that "x hates x"
That's essentially what I'm saying above. The difference is that you think this is a good thing, whereas I think it's a bad thing.

I don't know, I think this social construct that people have everywhere that you need to give arguments when you disagree with the masses but not when you agree is a bit silly.

This post is a perfect example for something that would start an unnecessary argument.
Nonetheless, it's a reasonable position.

Wanna give some GOOD examples of people just stating nonsense and being banned for it?
I never said these were examples of people being banned for saying nonsense.

Like I said, I agree that people should be banned for saying nonsense, I was just giving examples of people giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't really popular and get banned for it.

EvilTeletubby said that people aren't banned for their opinions as much as the attitude by which they bring it, I don't see a lot of attitude in a lot of those posts, just people who come with unpopular opinions a lot.

And like I said before, attitude is in the eye of the beholder. Chance has it that one of the guys in singled out in the examples has posted in this thread and he seems a bit shocked by the fact that he got banned over a remark he never meant in a rude or attitudeful way.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
April 04 2011 03:56 GMT
#375
On April 04 2011 11:56 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages.

It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners)

Of course, people are going to be upset over the issues that MLG had but what right does that give to just mindlessly bash people especially heroes like Day and Wheat who really saved the day by making it entertaining to watch even when games weren't on. They spent so much time filling in what otherwise would have dead time and had no control or power over what was going on. How does that entitle the poster to call Wheat "retarded" and "speaking shit" all day?
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Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
April 04 2011 03:57 GMT
#376
The fear of bans instills respect for the mods and community. It makes new users more careful until they get more experience, and see where the boundaries are. It's a good thing.
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
April 04 2011 04:01 GMT
#377
On April 04 2011 12:56 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 11:56 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages.

It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners)
While I agree that the top one was definitely offensive, I'm just wondering why this one was singled out.

Of course, people are going to be upset over the issues that MLG had but what right does that give to just mindlessly bash people especially heroes like Day and Wheat who really saved the day by making it entertaining to watch even when games weren't on. They spent so much time filling in what otherwise would have dead time and had no control or power over what was going on. How does that entitle the poster to call Wheat "retarded" and "speaking shit" all day?
While Wheat was definitely 'bashed', the other gave a reasonable personal opinion about Day[9]. He just said he 'personally' found that Day[9] didn't gave full respect to his partner. That's not really ignorance as much as having a different opinion. He also didn't give it with any 'attitude'.

Again, I'm just presenting examples to back up my claim that people aren't per se banned for their 'attitude' all the time but because they have some nonstandard opinions yet still present them in a civilized way. I honestly don't know how he could have offered his albeit negative opinion of Day[9] in a more civilized manner, do you?
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mytent
Profile Joined December 2010
United States156 Posts
April 04 2011 04:02 GMT
#378
lol there are rules for banning, but no strict interpretation of them that the mods all universally use.

hence the random bans.

it sucks, but what can ya do.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 04 2011 04:06 GMT
#379
On April 04 2011 13:02 mytent wrote:
lol there are rules for banning, but no strict interpretation of them that the mods all universally use.

hence the random bans.

it sucks, but what can ya do.

If you post in a respectful way you will never risk being banned, so you could just do that.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
April 04 2011 04:07 GMT
#380
On April 04 2011 13:01 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 12:56 Harem wrote:
On April 04 2011 11:56 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=623#12480

There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=622#12458

Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages.

It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners)
While I agree that the top one was definitely offensive, I'm just wondering why this one was singled out.

Because it was reported?

Please understand that it's very likely while these LR threads to be going on for there to be many, many open reports. For example, there was 18 open reports at one time today. This makes it very hard to catch all the shit that goes on in LR threads with how fast they move while also dealing with however many reports are open at the time. It's also why we encourage the use of report/PMs as there are more eyes that can catch what is missed.
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