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On March 25 2011 03:19 Asjo wrote:
She is the bully because she is the one being given support, having the backing of others.
I find this hard to believe. I haven't seen any mention of a rational like this in any of the posts or comments I've read on this, and it doesn't make sense. If someone read enough to find out what she said about him (her attack), then they had to have read about him attacking her first. If someone was bullied, this would make them identify more with her, and be glad that she got revenge. I suppose you might be trying to define an entirely irrational reaction as a latent response to past bullying, but it's a pretty weak argument.
On March 25 2011 03:19 Asjo wrote:
Her often hateful or self-absorbed writing
That's a pretty huge stretch, at least the hateful part. And calling a personal blog self absorbed is like calling the sky blue. She's writing about herself and her life. Hardly worth getting fired up about, or even mentioning.
On March 25 2011 03:19 Asjo wrote:
I'm not justifying anything, simply explaining it. What you said sounds like another version of what I said about focusing on the "raw action".
I don't believe I said you were justifying anything. As for explaining other people's actions, I really don't think two of your posted motivations are particularly poignant, which is why I responded. They all seem to be symptomatic of ignorance (IE: not understanding the situation). People who have been bullied would side with her (as what the guy did is classic bullying), so if the opposite is the case then your assertion is logically false. People who respond to the first violent act they see would have seen the attacks posted at the top of the blog first, thus immediately siding with her as well.
Anyway, I'm just being pedantic. Like I said, I'm bored.
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Wow, she completely owned him.
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Pwned. Do not fu*k with blonde asian girls.
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Holy shit haha. Completely owned.
I have yet to understand why people read blogs like this though
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On March 25 2011 03:41 OneBlueAugust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:19 Asjo wrote:
She is the bully because she is the one being given support, having the backing of others.
I find this hard to believe. I haven't seen any mention of a rational like this in any of the posts or comments I've read on this, and it doesn't make sense. If someone read enough to find out what she said about him (her attack), then they had to have read about him attacking her first. If someone was bullied, this would make them identify more with her, and be glad that she got revenge. I suppose you might be trying to define an entirely irrational reaction as a latent response to past bullying, but it's a pretty weak argument.
I'll be happy to explain. Of the of the most common things we have seen against the girl is referring to her spending her time on researching this guy. This is not a rational judgment. People can spend time on many things, and as long as it's meaningful or useful to them no further justification is needed. So, why do people post this nonetheless? Because of the need I mentioned to denounce the girl - denounce the "bullies" who use their power of definition. People are probably saying it because it is an "argument" that they have used in other situations to denounce something where they didn't really have a rational reason, simply using the same reasoning again.
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Asjo, are you trying to play devil's advocate here?
Regardless, some people will more easily be able to emphasize with the guy, whether they think of his actions as related to a greedy person looking to make money through false pretense, an "offish" guy exhibiting his own weird sense of humor or a desperate lonely guy trying to feel something where there is nothing.
First, you may have meant "empathize", but i'm wondering why? Sure there is a whole background to why this guy acts how he does, and maybe you're trying to get us to feel sorry for him since somehow his actions aren't his fault based on how he was raised or his life experiences. But i say nay. People still have the cognitave ability to decide their own actions. This man chose to create a false online persona, carry it on over a period of months, and then, being unprovoked, lash out against a woman who is simply living out her life. The obvious consequence is retaliation, and retaliate she did. However, this is just one occurance on her part. meanwhile his attacks on her were multiple. My need for posting is simply that i feel that this is a simple case of a bully (the guy) and the one being bullied (the girl). Rather than turning her cheek which she appeared to do at first she has chosen to retaliate, which i believe is justified given that he chose to keep up his harrassment of her twitter account.
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On March 25 2011 02:00 BroOd wrote:
With the legs this thing has gotten, I'd probably feel bad for the guy if his "girlfriend" wasn't just a foil for him to bandy about all his racist, jingoistic stabs at humor which seem to be almost universally abysmal.
Thank you for such a well-phrased and snappy statement, agree with this sentiment 100%. The awful humour and general e-bravado of this forever aloner gives me no recourse to sympathise.
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I think this guy might have some sort of personality disorder, to me he doesn't seem very stable. Does anyone else notice this?
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On March 25 2011 03:51 Asjo wrote:
I'll be happy to explain. Of the of the most common things we have seen against the girl is referring to her spending her time on researching this guy. This is not a rational judgment. People can spend time on many things, and as long as it's meaningful or useful to them no further justification is needed. So, why do people post this nonetheless? Because of the need I mentioned to denounce the girl - denounce the "bullies" who use their power of definition. People are probably saying it because it is an "argument" that they have used in other situations to denounce something where they didn't really have a rational reason, simply using the same reasoning again.
Once again, as before, your argument is better explained by simple ignorance. IE: Your hypothetical bullying victim really just doesn't understand how little time it would take to do what she did. The biggest time investment would have gone into figuring out who the "girlfriend" really is, and that was done by someone else. The rest is just copy-pasting twitter feeds and a few screenshots, and some pretty simple deduction and logic.
You don't need the bullying part at all for that explanation to work. The simpler explanation is the better one, I think. An irrational argument presented through accidental or willful ignorance has nothing to do with bullying, or at least, it doesn't need bullying as a root cause to occur.
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[B]On March 25 2011 03:32 Asjo wrote: However, he is powerless. There is no reason to put him down for it, really. His actions speak for themselves, and the ridicule he suffers leaves no doubt about how he will be judged. .
I disagree with this - I feel there's every reason to put him down, and I admire the fact that she stood up to her bully.
He's powerless now, but for a long time he made himself feel powerful by picking on people he thought would be easy targets, and using a fake identity he created to give himself credibility.
It's so ironic how he hates women who are "fake", yet he created a fake woman himself in order to support his attacks on others.
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On March 25 2011 03:51 Spacekyod wrote:Asjo, are you trying to play devil's advocate here? Show nested quote +Regardless, some people will more easily be able to emphasize with the guy, whether they think of his actions as related to a greedy person looking to make money through false pretense, an "offish" guy exhibiting his own weird sense of humor or a desperate lonely guy trying to feel something where there is nothing. First, you may have meant "empathize", but i'm wondering why? Sure there is a whole background to why this guy acts how he does, and maybe you're trying to get us to feel sorry for him since somehow his actions aren't his fault based on how he was raised or his life experiences. But i say nay. People still have the cognitave ability to decide their own actions. This man chose to create a false online persona, carry it on over a period of months, and then, being unprovoked, lash out against a woman who is simply living out her life. The obvious consequence is retaliation, and retaliate she did. However, this is just one occurance on her part. meanwhile his attacks on her were multiple. My need for posting is simply that i feel that this is a simple case of a bully (the guy) and the one being bullied (the girl). Rather than turning her cheek which she appeared to do at first she has chosen to retaliate, which i believe is justified given that he chose to keep up his harrassment of her twitter account.
It seems that what you write here relates not so much with my explanation of people's reaction's in this topic, but rather my own stance on the situation. The reason I personally see it as a sad situation is that I do not believe that anyone deserves bad things to happen to them. Thus, regardless of the situation, I will not feel good about anyone being mocked or ridiculed, regardless of what for. And this reactions in this topic enhance the hateful spirit of the ridicule, regardless of whether it actually serves a social function.
I am not trying to raise any empathy for the guy. As I have indicated, discussing his conduct is really quite a "moot point" because his powerlessness in this situation leaves no need for anyone to attack him, and the ridicule makes it quite clear that his actions are not accepted. What I am saying is that others might be able to put themselves in his shoes for one reason or another, and this will impact how they react. If you see this as an act of "trolling" and think trolling is the greatest thing ever invented, you will likely see the guy's actions as him having a good sense of humour. If you see him as lonely, an realize the impact of such state, you might forgive him, and will focus more on his feelings than his actions. If you see his actions as scrupulous and it aligns nicely with the way you might act yourself, you might say: "meh ... he was just trying to get attention to earn money through advertisement". His action were more like those of an angry guy who need to act our than of a speculating bully wanting to put the girl down, but that really is besides the point. It seems that OneBlueAugust in particular and you to some degree, are trying to argue the right or wrong of the situation, trying to react a rational and logical conclusion, but that really is beside the point when we are talking about feelings.
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Entertaining read, she totally owned him.
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I surmise that this guy's regular peen to ePeen ratio is one of the smallest in earth's history.
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On March 25 2011 03:58 OneBlueAugust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:51 Asjo wrote:
I'll be happy to explain. Of the of the most common things we have seen against the girl is referring to her spending her time on researching this guy. This is not a rational judgment. People can spend time on many things, and as long as it's meaningful or useful to them no further justification is needed. So, why do people post this nonetheless? Because of the need I mentioned to denounce the girl - denounce the "bullies" who use their power of definition. People are probably saying it because it is an "argument" that they have used in other situations to denounce something where they didn't really have a rational reason, simply using the same reasoning again. Once again, as before, your argument is better explained by simple ignorance. IE: Your hypothetical bullying victim really just doesn't understand how little time it would take to do what she did. The biggest time investment would have gone into figuring out who the "girlfriend" really is, and that was done by someone else. The rest is just copy-pasting twitter feeds and a few screenshots, and some pretty simple deduction and logic. You don't need the bullying part at all for that explanation to work. The simpler explanation is the better one, I think. An irrational argument presented through accidental or willful ignorance has nothing to do with bullying, or at least, it doesn't need bullying as a root cause to occur.
Once again, you are simply echoing what I said; those posts mentioned denouncing the girl are not rational, rather based in feelings (or "ignorance", if you like). No doubt the "willful ignorance" that you speak of requires a motivation.
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On March 25 2011 04:00 Flew wrote:Show nested quote +[B]On March 25 2011 03:32 Asjo wrote: However, he is powerless. There is no reason to put him down for it, really. His actions speak for themselves, and the ridicule he suffers leaves no doubt about how he will be judged. . I disagree with this - I feel there's every reason to put him down, and I admire the fact that she stood up to her bully. He's powerless now, but for a long time he made himself feel powerful by picking on people he thought would be easy targets, and using a fake identity he created to give himself credibility. It's so ironic how he hates women who are "fake", yet he created a fake woman himself in order to support his attacks on others.
No, no, I mean in this topic. The comments and reactions, which as the ones I'm trying to explain. Once again, I must repeat that I'm not talking about any justifications of the actions that occurred.
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On March 25 2011 03:48 Overpowered wrote:
Pwned. Do not fu*k with blonde asian girls.
wtf, what, my life has no meaning now :<
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On March 25 2011 04:14 Asjo wrote:
I do not believe that anyone deserves bad things to happen to them. Thus, regardless of the situation, I will not feel good about anyone being mocked or ridiculed, regardless of what for.
You're suffering from the tunnel vision that you spoke of earlier, where your reactions are based on the consequences of an action, without taking the cause of those consequences into account. You're welcome to your belief that no one deserves bad consequences, but it will surely skew your view of the world in relation to most of the people you'll come in contact with.
As to the rest, I'm responding to your post in which you try to explain other people's mindsets. I found two of your explanations to be off-base, especially the one about bullying. It's logically incorrect. My posts had nothing to do with your personal views on the subject, but were instead responses to the ideas you presented.
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On March 25 2011 04:18 Asjo wrote:
Once again, you are simply echoing what I said; those posts mentioned denouncing the girl are not rational, rather based in feelings (or "ignorance", if you like). No doubt the "willful ignorance" that you speak of requires a motivation.
It may require a motivation (consciously or subconsciously), but bullying would not be it. That explanation doesn't make logical sense at all, seeing as how she is the bullying victim and he is the bully that is getting his comeuppance. A bullying victim would identify with her, and thus you're needlessly complicating your explanation by adding in a factor that it doesn't require. I'm not echoing what you said at all, I'm clarifying an idea that you executed poorly by tying it to an external cause that does nothing but polarize and weaken it.
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Looking at the guys latest tweets i feel a little sorry for him now (even though i still think he had something coming to him, if not exactly this). Keep in mind these tweets were all made within the same hour.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:
I attempted to stop this privately with Xiaxue, who she seems quite intent on ruining me. Kimi is not me, I'm not sure who she is.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:I honestly wanted to work it out, but you can't make something real. I want her to be real. Desperately, even. In fact, that is all I want.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:But at this moment, you are attacking me for making something up. I didn't. I don't even know how to put what has happened to me.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:You can say what you'd like, but you need to know that yes. I did something blind, stupid and embarrassing hanging on to someone...
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:I didn't know that long. But I didn't invent this. I wish I had, but I didn't.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:Listen, if I were that mentally ill to make her up, I'd be dead right now. I didn't. I'm heartbroken and just dead inside.
On March 25 2011 Peter Coffin wrote:I'm not even asking you to do anything. You wanted my explanation, you have it. I probably won't be posting again for a while. Peace.
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On March 25 2011 04:29 OneBlueAugust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 04:14 Asjo wrote:
I do not believe that anyone deserves bad things to happen to them. Thus, regardless of the situation, I will not feel good about anyone being mocked or ridiculed, regardless of what for. You're suffering from the tunnel vision that you spoke of earlier, where your reactions are based on the consequences of an action, without taking the cause of those consequences into account. You're welcome to your belief that no one deserves bad consequences, but it will surely skew your view of the world in relation to most of the people you'll come in contact with. As to the rest, I'm responding to your post in which you try to explain other people's mindsets. I found two of your explanations to be off-base, especially the one about bullying. It's logically incorrect. My posts had nothing to do with your personal views on the subject, but were instead responses to the ideas you presented.
No, perhaps that was unclear. I was saying that Spacekyod's posts was more focused on trying to have my justify my own views. Your posts try to "discuss" the actions of the persons on an objective basis, kind of missing the point.
And yes, my personal views of are quite extreme. Ultra-humanistic, you might say. And can definite be hard to fit into our current society. Nonetheless, you have to remember that "justice", "evil" and many other terms used to pass judgment are simply social constructs led by past developments to be understood the way they are by people today. Therefore, it would be a mistake to say I suffer from "tunnel vision" simply because it does not fit into your rationale. I cannot to myself justify harming others, but that does not mean that I do not understand why others might. I simply means that I feel differently about it.
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