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Some of your reactions are confusing. I know I'm kinda've rehashing what some other people have already said, but I'm wondering where all the bashing on the chick is coming from.
The chick didn't spend "forever" stalking the dude. She spent at most a day or two (the stuff she found would have taken me an hour or so if I was really looking into the dude, all it is is a few twitter posts and a blog entry or two), as the stuff she's referencing that set her off was only posted a little while ago. And it's her job to post ridiculous crap like this, so her "stalking" was actually journalistic research - and yes, I did shudder when I typed that. I give her a pass on the pseudo-stalking completely, as this kind of stuff is what makes her her money. And, if this whole thing isn't some viral marketing scheme, the dude put himself out there himself with his twitter crap, all the youtube stuff, and the constant bashing of "fake" female celebrities, so he has no one to blame. No one's forcing someone to make up a fake girlfriend and post conversations, bios, pictures, and all that stuff online. No one forced him to bash on famous chicks in an attempt to gain fame and money either. He had it coming.
As for her lifestyle, what's with all the judging? It's her body, her life. For a group of people that are often maligned as no-life losers, basement dwelling nerds, or socially awkward degenerates (not saying any of those are true, just that that's what some people stereotype hardcore gamers as), you'd think there'd be a lot less judgement being levelled at this chick for doing what she likes. I really don't see how plastic surgery or trying to become a physical ideal is a lot worse than being completely uncaring about your body to the point where you're massively overweight and unhealthy.
Anyway, this was just a bit of fluff that I thought was funny. Not something to get into a deep moral discussion over. Just remember that your judgement (sometimes based on the background color of her web page) is missing the point, and often says a lot more about you than you think.
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unbelievable.. he would go that far for fame? I don't feel sorry for him at all, he had it coming
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Remember, tweeting, blogging and youtubing are all public posting forums! If you post something, you are putting it out there to be legally read. This kid wasn't stalked at all, because she did not invade his privacy.
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Austin10833 Posts
With the legs this thing has gotten, I'd probably feel bad for the guy if his "girlfriend" wasn't just a foil for him to bandy about all his racist, jingoistic stabs at humor which seem to be almost universally abysmal.
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On March 25 2011 01:32 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Some of your reactions are confusing. I know I'm kinda've rehashing what some other people have already said, but I'm wondering where all the bashing on the chick is coming from.
The chick didn't spend "forever" stalking the dude. She spent at most a day or two (the stuff she found would have taken me an hour or so if I was really looking into the dude, all it is is a few twitter posts and a blog entry or two), as the stuff she's referencing that set her off was only posted a little while ago. And it's her job to post ridiculous crap like this, so her "stalking" was actually journalistic research - and yes, I did shudder when I typed that. I give her a pass on the pseudo-stalking completely, as this kind of stuff is what makes her her money. And, if this whole thing isn't some viral marketing scheme, the dude put himself out there himself with his twitter crap, all the youtube stuff, and the constant bashing of "fake" female celebrities, so he has no one to blame. No one's forcing someone to make up a fake girlfriend and post conversations, bios, pictures, and all that stuff online. No one forced him to bash on famous chicks in an attempt to gain fame and money either. He had it coming.
As for her lifestyle, what's with all the judging? It's her body, her life. For a group of people that are often maligned as no-life losers, basement dwelling nerds, or socially awkward degenerates (not saying any of those are true, just that that's what some people stereotype hardcore gamers as), you'd think there'd be a lot less judgement being levelled at this chick for doing what she likes. I really don't see how plastic surgery or trying to become a physical ideal is a lot worse than being completely uncaring about your body to the point where you're massively overweight and unhealthy.
Anyway, this was just a bit of fluff that I thought was funny. Not something to get into a deep moral discussion over. Just remember that your judgement (sometimes based on the background color of her web page) is missing the point, and often says a lot more about you than you think.
You should google the word perception, then reread your post from a different perspective. We're not doing anything different from what he/she/team liquid posters are doing, it's how the human social interactions go. I'd also like to note you shouldn't write a statement condoning moral discussion when you've written one of those most lengthy posts on it <it's even more blatant because you follow it up with a moral quote>.
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Now THAT was an acceptable way to spend 30 minutes of my time on the internet. I can't stand fake people/liars. It kind of makes me wish i was on as many forums as i used to be in order to help spread the fun.
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On March 25 2011 02:03 Whomp wrote:
You should google the word perception, then reread your post from a different perspective. We're not doing anything different from what he/she/team liquid posters are doing, it's how the human social interactions go. I'd also like to note you shouldn't write a statement condoning moral discussion when you've written one of those most lengthy posts on it <it's even more blatant because you follow it up with a moral quote>.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. I think a few of the words you used don't mean what you think they mean...
I didn't write any statement condoning moral discussion about this issue (maybe you should google the word condone?). Also, you missed the point on the perception bit, or perhaps you're a bit fuzzy on the definition of that as well. What I was saying is that people's perceptions of this girl are based on a blog-based persona that she created to make a living, and therefore judging her lifestyle or her worth as a person with it as sole evidence is silly.
Also, even if she is exactly who she says she is, to focus on her lifestyle and her choices and judge them as pointless / lame / stupid is your choice, but it's a bit hypocritical coming from a board that supports many lifestyles that are considered just as pointless / lame / stupid by a large portion of the world. To me, it just seems like unfounded venom that points more to the psyche of the poster than anything else. I'd say the same thing if people were bashing on her for being gay, or for collecting beanie babies.
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Ouch....
This really sucks, yo. :/
Can't imagine being the guy but he does kinda deserve it.
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On March 25 2011 02:00 BroOd wrote:
With the legs this thing has gotten, I'd probably feel bad for the guy if his "girlfriend" wasn't just a foil for him to bandy about all his racist, jingoistic stabs at humor which seem to be almost universally abysmal.
The racism and all that was bad, but the truly disgusting / weird thing for me was how he kept bringing up her period. The two that come to mind was mentioning how "my vagina is filled with blood" and "my privates look like a scene from Saving Private Ryan".
Imagining some guy chilling by himself, alone, writing about his fake girlfriend's period (or, writing AS his fake girlfriend who's writing about her fake period), in such stark, disgusting terms, is pretty surreal to me.
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He posted some tweets today that are pretty disturbing. I think this guy needs serious help.
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I read the whole thing and I must say that while I think the douchebag had it coming, this involves so many personal issues that I think it's just plain sad. I feel like this man needs so much attention, and growing up (based on his comments). Poor guy is getting hell for making a fictional friend up for 8 months that would let him feel like he belongs in some way and use this alter ego to dish out his thoughts.
I feel like this guy is definitely in need of heavy psychologic advice, and, upon discovering aaaaaalll the crazy shit, I wouldnt've go on to bashing him publically on my super popular blog. This could/will be a massive blow on him that, given his record on doing weird shit, could end up on him not giving anything more about his life.
I know most people don't give a shit about another person if they act like jerks, but I can't really just ignore the fact that this peter guy is a human being.
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On March 25 2011 02:29 never_toss wrote:
I read the whole thing and I must say that while I think the douchebag had it coming, this involves so many personal issues that I think it's just plain sad. I feel like this man needs so much attention, and growing up (based on his comments). Poor guy is getting hell for making a fictional friend up for 8 months that would let him feel like he belongs in some way and use this alter ego to dish out his thoughts.
I feel like this guy is definitely in need of heavy psychologic advice, and, upon discovering aaaaaalll the crazy shit, I wouldnt've go on to bashing him publically on my super popular blog. This could/will be a massive blow on him that, given his record on doing weird shit, could end up on him not giving anything more about his life.
I know most people don't give a shit about another person if they act like jerks, but I can't really just ignore the fact that this peter guy is a human being.
Perhaps I'm a lot more cynical than you, but in my opinion, he created the persona of the girlfriend to give him a platform to continue to attack the women he made all those videos / tweets about. It has nothing to do with a mental illness per say, but is instead a sad attempt to gain money and fame.
If you look into this dude at all, his whole schtick is slamming popular women for being fake, superficial, stupid, or whatever. Anytime someone posted that he had no idea what he was talking about, or had no basis for his accusations, along came his girlfriend to white knight for him. This girlfriend, being 100% natural, beautiful, smart, funny, and whatever else, gave him some amount of legitimacy. How much is up for debate, but the fact that the fake girl had some huge amount of twitter followers and a pretty big fan-following of her own, which he then used as a platform for his own ideas, definitely played a part.
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To those not understanding the negative comments regarding the girl, let me try to explain a few elements that may play a part:
- Bullyism: Many posters on this forum will have been victims to bullying is some form and will exhibit an adverse reaction to it. This girl placer herself in a position and power because she is seen and heard. What we see play out in the blog is a good parallel to how bullying would occur on the playground. Often bullies will try to ridicule people and make them feel worse about themselves, often to increase their own self-worth (hence why most bullies are people who feel insecure about themselves rather than people with anti-social disorders). The natural reaction from those who are bullied is to rationalize the situation, telling themselves that the bullies are the bad ones - that they are "stupid" or "immature". The victim will want the bullies to feel that way about themselves because it serves to justify this rationalization, and thus will be more likely to pursue the agenda or simply denounce the bullies in any given communication situation to "balance the power". In this way, bullying becomes a battle of self-worth and self-image. What we see in the blog is the girl trying to make herself feel good about making someone else feel bad about themselves, exerting power in this way. People will subconsciously draw this parallel and react to it.
- Superficial persona: This girl represents the lack of empathy and distance that has, for many, come to characterize the modern "internet society". The media constantly shows us different versions of reality in the forum of reality shows and similar entertainment, and with so many different representations of reality there seems to be a disconnect. It gives the feeling that people do not understand it other and live life without a common connection. That previously, people were just people, and everyone could relate, but today people are "personas" and everything becomes surreal and distant. If you look as the way this girl presents herself, communicates or writes in her entries, she represents this disconnect - this emptiness. It all seems to scream of superficial interaction, self-justifications, impersonal presence. The fact that she promotes vile and anger just seems to enhance this.
- Dissasociation: More "mature" people might simply find the girl's childish outburst or hostile tone, and wish to distance themselves from the girl. They don't really try to understand the motives or circumstance, but simply relate to the raw act. The people who feel this will generally feel that such behavior is disruptive or worse, and therefore feel strongly about calling it out or dissasociating themselves.
I felt quite sad about the girl as well, but even worse that many kids on Teamliquid seemed to find this funny. Whatever reason this guy had for doing what he did (seemingly to aid his income from blogging/making videos), it's still a sad situation. Yet, I have to remind myself that it is simply about a awkward girl trying to feel good about herself (see videos to the right in the blog, and you will feel bad for her), and that it is simply a bunch of kids recognizing the situation as "OWNED!" or feeling kind of justice that anti-social behavior like that of the guy is dealt with, something which stems from their own insecurities or ethos.
I certainly do not feel in any position to judge whether this girl is displaying a fake persona or a refreshing honesty. I read "Psyche of A Plastic", and though it provided decent insight into the skewed rationalizations of a girl who getting plastic surgery én masse, I also observed how it served for other young girls with a similar problem to justify their behavior. Yes, in the end it is terribly insignificant, and this is just a girl and a guy acting out in different ways, but it's still part of the world we live in. More and more, the internet or other "surface-based" communication forms have become a way to communicate and negotiate our identities, and it's not really possible to just "ignore those stupid bloggers".
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On March 25 2011 02:52 Asjo wrote:To those not understanding the negative comments regarding the girl, let me try to explain a few elements that may play a part: - Bullyism: Many posters on this forum will have been victims to bullying is some form and will exhibit an adverse reaction to it. This girl placer herself in a position and power because she is seen and heard. What we see play out in the blog is a good parallel to how bullying would occur on the playground. Often bullies will try to ridicule people and make them feel worse about themselves. The natural reaction from those bullied is to rationalize the situation, telling themselves that the bullies are the bad ones - that they are "stupid" or "immature". The victim will want the bullies to feel that way about themselves because it serves to justify this rationalization. In this way, bullying becomes a battle of self-worth and self-image. What we see in the blog is the girl trying to make herself feel good about making someone else feel bad about themselves, exerting power in this way. People will subconsciously draw this parallel and react to it.
- Superficial persona: This girl represents the lack of empathy and distance that has, for many, come to characterize the modern "internet society". The media constantly shows us different versions of reality in the forum of reality shows and similar entertainment, and with so many different representations of reality there seems to be a disconnect. It gives the feeling that people do not understand it other and live life without a common connection. That previously, people were just people, and everyone could relate, but today people are "personas" and everything becomes surreal and distant. If you look as the way this girl presents herself, communicates or writes in her entries, she represents this disconnect - this emptiness. It all seems to scream of superficial interaction, self-justifications, impersonal presence. The fact that she promotes vile and anger just seems to enhance this.
- Dissasociation: More "mature" people might simply find the girl's childish outburst or hostile tone, and wish to distance themselves from the girl. They don't really try to understand the motives or circumstance, but simply relate to the raw act. The people who feel this will generally feel that such behavior is disruptive or worse, and therefore feel strongly about calling it out or dissasociating themselves.
Before you ask... Yes, I'm very bored.
Bullying: This guy sent a series of unprovoked attacks to this girl in a public manner for weeks before she responded. If anyone sees her as the bully in this situation, they either didn't take the time to read the whole story or are purposefully ignorant.
Superficial Persona: Superficiality is completely subjective. What's superficial to you or I can be life or death to someone else. This chick isn't doing something that's outside the norm of society by blogging about her lifestyle, nor is her lifestyle particularly odd within the culture that she's living in. Therefore, negativity that's directed at her is pretty misplaced. The plastic surgery and whatnot that she talks about is sponsored, which basically makes her a walking advertisement for the companies that donated their services. Maybe I swim in different waters than many posters here, but just about every girl I know would take free plastic surgery for the cost of a blog post. Hell, I'd definitely take some free dental work if all I had to do was write about it.
Disassociation: I think you were going more for noncomprehension or tunnel vision. In other words, people sometimes tend to focus on the act of revenge, without comprehending the events that led up to it. They see an act of violence or whatever and immediately judge it as wrong, without thought for the cause. This always reminds me of a football player getting a personal foul because the ref only saw the retaliatory punch, and not the one that started the fight. If that's the cause of a lot of the negativity, then there's not much to be done about it, as this isn't anything that anyone should really care enough about to research it.
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On March 25 2011 02:52 Asjo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +To those not understanding the negative comments regarding the girl, let me try to explain a few elements that may play a part: - Bullyism: Many posters on this forum will have been victims to bullying is some form and will exhibit an adverse reaction to it. This girl placer herself in a position and power because she is seen and heard. What we see play out in the blog is a good parallel to how bullying would occur on the playground. Often bullies will try to ridicule people and make them feel worse about themselves, often to increase their own self-worth (hence why most bullies are people who feel insecure about themselves rather than people with anti-social disorders). The natural reaction from those who are bullied is to rationalize the situation, telling themselves that the bullies are the bad ones - that they are "stupid" or "immature". The victim will want the bullies to feel that way about themselves because it serves to justify this rationalization, and thus will be more likely to pursue the agenda or simply denounce the bullies in any given communication situation. In this way, bullying becomes a battle of self-worth and self-image. What we see in the blog is the girl trying to make herself feel good about making someone else feel bad about themselves, exerting power in this way. People will subconsciously draw this parallel and react to it.
- Superficial persona: This girl represents the lack of empathy and distance that has, for many, come to characterize the modern "internet society". The media constantly shows us different versions of reality in the forum of reality shows and similar entertainment, and with so many different representations of reality there seems to be a disconnect. It gives the feeling that people do not understand it other and live life without a common connection. That previously, people were just people, and everyone could relate, but today people are "personas" and everything becomes surreal and distant. If you look as the way this girl presents herself, communicates or writes in her entries, she represents this disconnect - this emptiness. It all seems to scream of superficial interaction, self-justifications, impersonal presence. The fact that she promotes vile and anger just seems to enhance this.
- Dissasociation: More "mature" people might simply find the girl's childish outburst or hostile tone, and wish to distance themselves from the girl. They don't really try to understand the motives or circumstance, but simply relate to the raw act. The people who feel this will generally feel that such behavior is disruptive or worse, and therefore feel strongly about calling it out or dissasociating themselves.
I felt quite sad about the girl as well, but even worse that many kids on Teamliquid seemed to find this funny. Whatever reason this guy had for doing what he did (seemingly to aid his income from blogging/making videos), it's still a sad situation. Yet, I have to remind myself that it is simply about a awkward girl trying to feel good about herself (see videos to the right in the blog, and you will feel bad for her), and that it is simply a bunch of kids recognizing the situation as "OWNED!" or feeling kind of justice that anti-social behavior like that of the guy is dealt with, something which stems from their own insecurities or ethos. I certainly do not feel in any position to judge whether this girl is displaying a fake persona or a refreshing honesty. I read "Psyche of A Plastic", and though it provided decent insight into the skewed rationalizations of a girl who getting plastic surgery én masse, I also observed how it served for other young girls with a similar problem to justify their behavior. Yes, in the end it is terribly insignificant, and this is just a girl and a guy acting out in different ways, but it's still part of the world we live in. More and more, the internet or other "surface-based" communication forms have become a way to communicate and negotiate our identities, and it's not really possible to just "ignore those stupid bloggers" .
Can i get a TL:DR of this, because i've read it a few times now and i feel like you completely missed the point of this situation.
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On March 25 2011 01:14 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 01:00 qwaykee wrote:
cant really say i agree with how she reacts, if he is trolling she does exactly what he wants. I don't understand this. Dude spends eight months creating an elaborate alter ego online and using it to flirt with himself, and she's the sucker for making one blog post to expose him? Come on.
Meh, the phenomenon of genuine stupidity = trolling started here a while ago =p didnt one of the mods go on a spree banning people for the wrong use of the word??
as for the hate for her, it's best summed up by the Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus tag line 'whoever wins, we lose'
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On March 25 2011 03:08 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Bullying: This guy sent a series of unprovoked attacks to this girl in a public manner for weeks before she responded. If anyone sees her as the bully in this situation, they either didn't take the time to read the whole story or are purposefully ignorant.
She is the bully because she is the one being given support, having the backing of others. This puts her in a position of power where she is able to create the definitions. Regardless of what you might think subjectively, this is how the situation plays out and how those bullied will often subconsciously identify with it. I'm not saying she's a bully, I'm saying "bullyism" is one of the deciding elements for the negative comments against the girl. If you ask people about their reasoning or rationale, I'm sure they can tell you a lot of thing, but I dare say this is really what it boils down to in a lot of the cases.
On March 25 2011 03:08 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Superficial Persona: Superficiality is completely subjective. What's superficial to you or I can be life or death to someone else. This chick isn't doing something that's outside the norm of society by blogging about her lifestyle, nor is her lifestyle particularly odd within the culture that she's living in. Therefore, negativity that's directed at her is pretty misplaced. The plastic surgery and whatnot that she talks about is sponsored, which basically makes her a walking advertisement for the companies that donated their services. Maybe I swim in different waters than many posters here, but just about every girl I know would take free plastic surgery for the cost of a blog post. Hell, I'd definitely take some free dental work if all I had to do was write about it.
I'm not saying she is superficial either. I'm saying that people will get this feeling because they find what she writes hard to relate to. Her often hateful or self-absorbed writing will leave people with a similar feeling as well. If she is writing stuff just for the sake of attention to make money off it, that would definitely add to the whole superficial and value-less turn in society that people tend to identify.
On March 25 2011 03:08 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Disassociation: I think you were going more for noncomprehension or tunnel vision. In other words, people sometimes tend to focus on the act of revenge, without comprehending the events that led up to it. They see an act of violence or whatever and immediately judge it as wrong, without thought for the cause. This always reminds me of a football player getting a personal foul because the ref only saw the retaliatory punch, and not the one that started the fight. If that's the cause of a lot of the negativity, then there's not much to be done about it, as this isn't anything that anyone should really care enough about to research it.
I'm not justifying anything, simply explaining it. What you said sounds like another version of what I said about focusing on the "raw action".
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Whatever reason this guy had for doing what he did (seemingly to aid his income from blogging/making videos), it's still a sad situation. Yet, I have to remind myself that it is simply about a awkward girl trying to feel good about herself (see videos to the right in the blog, and you will feel bad for her)
It's really interesting to see the different perceptions on this, and read your explanation for why some people relate to that guy. I saw it as an awkward guy who was criticising women in order to feel better about himself. I didn't see the blog as a way for the woman to feel good about herself - it's a way to show that the person criticising her lifestyle was a liar with no credibility.
I admit this woman is certainly not the kind of person I would like to hang out with, and I don't agree with her stance on using plastic surgery to "improve" yourself, but she seems quite aware that she's shallow and fake. In her first blog about this guy she says she knows that he dislikes vapid and vain females (which suggests she knows she's one), and she's fine with that, but to leave her alone.
She has no problem with his beliefs - at no point does she try to defend his accusation that she's fake. She just attacks his attempt to use his twitter and another fake twitter account to bully women who follow a certain lifestyle. I don't agree with the way this woman lives her life, but she's not bothering me in any way. What the guy did though is absolutely wrong.
If someone stole my picture, and put it at the top of a fake personality, then used that twitter or blog to make rascist and vulgar remarks, I'd be hugely pissed off.
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On March 25 2011 03:20 Flew wrote:Show nested quote + Whatever reason this guy had for doing what he did (seemingly to aid his income from blogging/making videos), it's still a sad situation. Yet, I have to remind myself that it is simply about a awkward girl trying to feel good about herself (see videos to the right in the blog, and you will feel bad for her) It's really interesting to see the different perceptions on this, and read your explanation for why some people relate to that guy. I saw it as an awkward guy who was criticising women in order to feel better about himself. I didn't see the blog as a way for the woman to feel good about herself - it's a way to show that the person criticising her lifestyle was a liar with no credibility. I admit this woman is certainly not the kind of person I would like to hang out with, and I don't agree with her stance on using plastic surgery to "improve" yourself, but she seems quite aware that she's shallow and fake. In her first blog about this guy she says she knows that he dislikes vapid and vain females (which suggests she knows she's one), and she's fine with that, but to leave her alone. She has no problem with his beliefs - at no point does she try to defend his accusation that she's fake. She just attacks his attempt to use his twitter and another fake twitter account to bully women who follow a certain lifestyle. I don't agree with the way this woman lives her life, but she's not bothering me in any way. What the guy did though is absolutely wrong. If someone stole my picture, and put it at the top of a fake personality, then used that twitter or blog to make rascist and vulgar remarks, I'd be hugely pissed off.
Glad you liked it - hoped it would provide some perspective, even though I allow myself to make a lot of assumptions about the people posting here. I will venture that feeling the need to discredit him is actually quite similar to making herself feel better about herself by making him feel worse about himself. It might not be something she does overtly. On the surface of things, it seems like she is just posting for the sake of a good story or to do others the "favour" or exposing this guy. But at the same time, she clearly states that it is an action of anger, and therefore not one without feeling. So, as such, it becomes what I describe - a battle, of sorts.
No doubt that the guy is doing several bad things. He is being offensive. He is being greatly dishonest, fooling people, leading them on. And he completely ignores how the hot girl whose pictures he uses for his persona might feel about what's happening. However, he is powerless. There is no reason to put him down for it, really. His actions speak for themselves, and the ridicule he suffers leaves no doubt about how he will be judged. Regardless, some people will more easily be able to empathize with the guy, whether they think of his actions as related to a greedy person looking to make money through false pretense, an "offish" guy exhibiting his own weird sense of humor or a desperate lonely guy trying to feel something where there is nothing. Others will have experienced other side, having been extremely annoyed or angered at the "weird", "dodgy" or anti-social person, and will therefore rejoice when they see such people "put in their place" (kind of re-iterating my first post with that sentence, I realize).
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