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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is rethinking its opposition to arming rebels opposed to the Syrian government, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said on Thursday.

At a Pentagon news conference, Hagel said the administration is considering a range of options. He said he personally has not decided whether it would be wise to provide weapons to the rebels.

"Arming the rebels – that's an option," he said. "We must continue to look at options." He said the U.S. is considering a range of options in consultation with allies.

At the same news conference, British Defense Secretary Philip Hammond said his government has not yet provided arms to the Syrian rebels but would not rule it out.

On May 03 2013 14:00 Shake n Blake wrote:
God dammit, everything is going as I had anticipated. Next thing you know they'll be considering a no-fly zone. It's as if America and NATO are hellbent on escalating this scenario as much as they possibly can.

On May 03 2013 19:23 iMAniaC wrote:


Libya:
-Arming rebels, imposing no-fly zone, goal of overthrowing dictator
-Death toll: ~25,000
-Duration: ~8 months
(Wikipedia)

Syria:
-Not arming rebels, no no-fly zone, goal of diplomatic solution
-Death toll: ~120,000 and counting
-Refugees: ~1,200,000
-Duraion: ~2 years and ongoing
(Wikipedia)

Yeah, I know. Those war mongering US and NATO, eh? They're only after military escalation with no heed to human life. Bastards! Before you know it, they've intervened and selfishly just made an end to all the bloodshed. Western imperial scumbags! [/sarcasm]

On May 03 2013 22:41 ImFromPortugal wrote:


so.. giving more weapons to terrorists is a good solution?

On May 03 2013 23:03 radscorpion9 wrote:
I think its still worth it to intervene, just to save lives. There is a chance that terrorists could remain after Assad is gone, and there is a chance that the government could transition to radical Islamic law. But I think its pretty unlikely that they will actively oppose and attack the country that showed good will to you, and bombed Assad to oblivion along with the rest of his murderous army. Over time the country will institute democratic reforms, just because its unavoidable...you must gravitate towards a more inclusive, rights-based government if you are going to maintain your rule.

Giving them weapons is probably something that should be avoided if possible. I'm kind of hoping they can just send an army of drones.

On May 04 2013 00:35 ImFromPortugal wrote:



keep dreaming..also his "Murderous army" has lots of brave Syrian men fighting for their country.

On May 04 2013 00:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Yes it is truly brave to have tanks and artillery indiscriminately fire into civilian neighborhoods, or to massacre hundreds of people in one day, as the brave Syrian army men fighting for their country have done.

Is there any reason besides anti-Americanism that you are an apologist for literally every dictator the US has an issue with?

On May 04 2013 00:53 Holo82 wrote:
Syria was a multicultural country with muslims of several confessions, christs, jews living together in relative peace for the last 50 years, since the country exists independently from france / great britain.

Now its a messed up fanatism mob rebelling against the government, using civilian as hostages /meat shields against the army, most of those djihad guys even come from other countries,and the governments fault was trying to stop the fanatics in a civil way in the beginning.
The majority of syrian people have fled to either government controlled regions or abroad. If the western world should support anyone in this war, it should be Assad. The alternative would be another Scharia state in the middle East.

We already have this stupid shit in Egypt, Libya, Algeria and Tunisia due to those "Democratic" movements, that resulted in fundamental islamic governments.

On May 04 2013 01:02 BioNova wrote:

Is there any reason besides Americanism that you are an apologist for literally every dictator the US doesn't have an issue with?

Edit:It's personal attack, so I got the mirror out for you.

On May 04 2013 01:10 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Which dictators would those be that I'm an apologist for? None? Oh. Good day.

I was talking about what people have actually done and said. Unlike you, who is talking about things people have not done and said. You're playing the gotcha game wrong.

During an interview with Current TV’s Cenk Uygur, Wilkerson explained that he had been told by his sources in the intelligence community that evidence that Syria had used chemical weapons was “really flaky” and that President Barack Obama should think twice before intervening.

“This could have been an Israeli false flag operation,” he said. “You’ve got basically a geo-strategically, geo-political — if you will — inept regime in Tel Aviv right now.”

Wilkerson pointed to the fact that Obama had to tell Netanyahu to “pick up the phone, you idiot,” and call Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to apologize for a Israeli raid that killed killed eight Turkish civilians aboard a Gaza-bound flotilla in 2010.

“Look at Israel’s situation right now, it’s as dangerous as it’s been since 1948,” Wilkerson remarked. “You’ve got Lebanon growing increasingly unstable with [Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan] Nasrallah and Hezbollah having more and more political power. You’ve got Syria involved in a brutal civil war. You’ve got Iraq in Iran’s back pocket with [Iraq Prime Minister] Nuri al-Maliki, the Sunnis realizing that and restating the civil war. You’ve got Saudi Arabia funding the Sunnis in Iraq. You’ve got Jordan, whose king has publicly said he wished he weren’t the king. You’ve got Egypt in an untenable position, no longer the security that Israel needed on that flank.”

“So Israel is in a very, very dangerous situation right now. The president has got to be very circumspect about what he does in exacerbating that situation. Netanyahu is clueless as to this. I hope that President Obama gave him a lecture into geo-strategic realities.”

I think Libya was a broad success,

On May 04 2013 01:33 Holo82 wrote:


Libya, Egypt, tunisa, syria were the most "modern" "humanistic" "anticlerical" and western countrys in the arabic world, behind turkey. Now they are all falling back to middle ages .

Now Libya was such a sucess, that libya became host of those guys that just got stomped by french army in the neighbour country mali.ansar al islam or whatever they are called... Even the northern mali tuareg (who were rebelling since like forever) were freaked out by those guys crueltys, and started to work with mali government.

Most of the radical djihadist foreigners fighting against Assad government in Syria are from Libya, with Saudi arabia coming 2nd. I bet, Saudi arabia officials are happy for every single Saudi djihadist that gets shot in syria, one problem less for them.

Murder of U.S Ambassadors didnt happen in libya before the "democratic revolution". Getting rid of Gadaffie and was the most destabilizing thing in the whole arabic world since 1967 war.


I have yet to hear from crueltys that the assad regime did to its own, syrian people,
(propaganda from fsa is not proof, torture, death sentence, shooting, or drone-bombing are U.S policy on how to cope with terrorists, so no problem with assad doing that) ,
all i here is that his army fights those freaking djihadists, who hide themselfes behind civilians.

I personaly thing that chemical weapons have been tested on a very small scale (the only fotograph i have seen in news was a court with like 12 dead sheep in it) and shown, to say loud "if u interfere, we might go nuts and use them on invading forces"

On May 03 2013 19:23 iMAniaC wrote:


Libya:
-Arming rebels, imposing no-fly zone, goal of overthrowing dictator
-Death toll: ~25,000
-Duration: ~8 months
(Wikipedia)

Syria:
-Not arming rebels, no no-fly zone, goal of diplomatic solution
-Death toll: ~120,000 and counting
-Refugees: ~1,200,000
-Duraion: ~2 years and ongoing
(Wikipedia)

Yeah, I know. Those war mongering US and NATO, eh? They're only after military escalation with no heed to human life. Bastards! Before you know it, they've intervened and selfishly just made an end to all the bloodshed. Western imperial scumbags! [/sarcasm]