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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 15:37:40
June 04 2016 15:37 GMT
#7321
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36452094

How big is this? 30,000 Kurds from one side of Raqqa and Syrian army (how many?) from the other with 5,000 ISIS fighters in the city.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 04 2016 16:25 GMT
#7322
What do you mean by big? "Surges" has happened before against ISIS. Unfortunately we aren't military intelligence, so we can't tell you the significance or the plans of any of the military forces, and if we were, we probably wouldn't be allowed to tell you. This could be the start of a cascading defeat of ISIS, or it could be yet another interesting footnote in the currently 5 year timeline of ISIS. It just depends whether there will be a serious attempt to take the city, as both sides are racing to do so, or whether both sides are careful of the politcal fallout that may ensue if one sides are able to proclaim such a victory. One thing though, the Raqqa province is not the same thing as Raqqa the city.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 17:38:25
June 04 2016 17:37 GMT
#7323
Kurds are liberating Raqqa hopefully.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2016 20:23 GMT
#7324
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 12:18:51
June 08 2016 08:24 GMT
#7325
the Golden Division is predominantly shia these days, with some kurds and very few sunnis and it's oh so tight with Iran.

- there were about 15k SDF(mainly kurds with some arabs pushing for Raqqa but after taking some villages, they tiptoe around assessing the situation (30k is way overblown); some of them then seemed to start pushing east to Manbij and Jarablus. the idea here is to unite the kurds(E and W), close the border with Turkey, give US+allies more bargaining chips at negotiations, maybe have the kurds sit at the negotiations table. + Show Spoiler +
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- fairly good articles on that http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/turkey-syria-kurds-artillery-range-set-game-limits.html + Show Spoiler +
But on June 3, photographs circulated of the YPG crossing the river with not only fighters, but with tanks and military vehicles at Karakozak, which was once considered Turkish territory and housed the tomb of Suleiman Shah. But this time the Ankara government acted as if it had come to terms with the YPG crossing the Euphrates under the SDF banner and launching an operation.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s remarks after his telephone conversation with US President Barack Obama suggested that Erdogan has softened his opposition. “Nowadays, there are about 450 YPG militants in the SDF. They have about 2,500 Arabs in that force. That means about 3,000 people are involved in this operation. We were told that the YPG will basically be a logistics element at Manbij and the real force will be made up of Arabs,” Erdogan said.

Reports say Obama had told Erdogan that the number of YPG forces in the SDF would be limited and assured him that after the expulsion of the Islamic State (IS) from Manbij, the YPG would be withdrawn.
, http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/russia-syria-nusra-aleppo-qaeda-ypg-us-jihadi.html (the later a bit assumption-ish but decent) + Show Spoiler +
But Russia's patience has appeared to wear thin, and its next move might include Raqqa as well as Aleppo, according to Ballout. Vitaly Naumkin writes, “The United States is also hoping to avoid a situation in which Raqqa would be freed by the Syrian army with the help of Shiite militants from Arab countries, along with Russian air support. Russia knows that it would be unacceptable for its American partners in combat against IS if Damascus established its control over the territories freed from IS. In other words, Americans prefer the Kurds (as well as Assyrians, Arab groups, Armenians and Turkmens) over the Syrian army. However, as an anonymous senior source from the Kurdish People's Protection Units told Al-Monitor, that part of the Kurdish movement is not going to abandon its objective of unifying the three Kurdish cantons for the sake of capturing Raqqa. Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated, 'Moscow is willing to coordinate its efforts with the US-led coalition and Kurdish militia in Syria for the purpose of freeing Raqqa.'”

As we reported last week, the United States has struggled to appease Turkey's alarm about the disproportionate role of the People's Protection Units (YPG) in the Syrian Defense Forces (SDF), despite the YPG, and by extension the SDF, being the most effective ground force in Syria battling IS. Turkish-backed Syrian opposition groups have suffered a series of recent setbacks against IS. Semih Idiz writes this week that “the ultimate dilemma for Turkey, however, is the fact that it has ended up in what appears to be an ineffectual situation in Syria, even though it is one of the countries bearing the biggest brunt from this crisis.”


- meanwhile, "groups" are getting their invites to Geneva III peace talks (pro-kurd) http://ekurd.net/geneva-syria-peace-talks-kurds-2016-01-27 + Show Spoiler +
BEIRUT,— The United Nations on Tuesday sent out invitations to new Syria peace talks in Geneva this week, as leading opposition representatives debated whether to attend.

UN Syria envoy Staffan de Mistura’s office said it had issued invitations to the talks, which are scheduled to begin on Friday, but without saying who had been invited.
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Turkey threatens boycott

Several opposition figures who are not part of the HNC said they have been invited.

“I am on my way to Geneva after receiving an invitation,” said Qadri Jamil, a former deputy Syrian prime minister who was sacked in 2013 and has good ties with Russia.

And Haytham Manna, a longstanding opposition figure who is co-chair of the political wing of a Kurdish-Arab alliance, also said he had been invited.

“I received an invitation to participate in the talks as a negotiator,” he told AFP.

Syria’s most powerful Kurdish party in Syrian, the Democratic Union Party (PYD), said it had not yet received an invitation.

Sihanuk Dibo, an adviser to the party’s leadership, said the PYD was in contact with various parties to “resolve the issue in the coming hours or tomorrow”, Wednesday.

The PYD is not part of the HNC, and leading opposition backer Turkey has said it will boycott the talks if it is invited.


Edit: "a plot" for broadening the opposition was assumed a while ago; now, at least Qadri Jamil is getting an invite http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/203676-iraq-and-syrian-civil-wars?page=365#7297
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 11:39:31
June 08 2016 11:36 GMT
#7326
On June 02 2016 22:47 lastpuritan wrote:
Typical Assyrianking approach, been following him for almost a year. He hates Turks, he hates non-christian Arabs, he hates Kurds, he hates Iranians and Saudis, he was hating Assad before then suddenly started boot licking god knows why. Probably Assad said something promising to his people. This is what's wrong with all of the Syrian people, they all claim the land is theirs.

And for the US wearing Kurdish badges, or US wearing any opposition badge is a shame to country and what it fights for decades. They can help them, they can arm them, but wearing badge is something big. Think of a scenario KKK fighting Taliban on US soil somehow and Russia wearing KKK badges.


The Turks & Kurdish tribes killed 750,000 of our people in the first world war and to this day have not done anything serious to make up for this, they still steal our land and back stab us, just like how the Iraqi Kurds are back stabbing the Yazidis. The Iraqi Kurds disarmed the Assyrians and Yazidi's and on the eve of when ISIS was about to arrive, they abandoned their positions and left us to die. This whole situation with the Yezidi sex slaves is the Kurds fault. For a matter a fact, everyone hates the Saudis, even Syrians hate the Saudis, they didn't accept a single refugee, and they along with Turkey are funding rebels who also want a caliphate, only difference being that "ISIS is wrong because they kill muslims". You have no idea what shit my people have been through, from 1.5 million in 2003 down to less than 300,000 now. Now the same thing will occur in Syria, for crying out loud minimum 300 of our people were held hostage by ISIS, and nobody gave a shit. Thank God they were released, through our own work.

Did you know the Kurds recently assassinated one of the leaders of an Assyrian militia, who were meant to be allies. Attack Assyrian positions in Syria simply for setting up checkpoints because of ISIS suicide bombing and grenade attacks, how are we supposed to trust the Kurds, we will never live under the Kurds, every Assyrian that has come from Syria says life was fine with Assad, atleast.
John 15:13
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 06:43:17
June 10 2016 06:41 GMT
#7327
some sort of related middle-eastern annex http://www.sj-r.com/news/20160610/un-chief-took-saudis-off-blacklist-over-threat-to-stop-funds
UNITED NATIONS (AP) " Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday he temporarily removed the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen from a U.N. blacklist for violating child rights because its supporters threatened to stop funding many U.N. programs.

Ban said he had to consider "the very real prospect" that millions of other children in the Palestinian territories, South Sudan, Syria, Yemen and many other places "would suffer grievously" if U.N. programs were defunded.

"This was one of the most painful and difficult decisions I have had to make," he said.

U.N. secretary-generals are always subject to pressure from the 193 member nations. But in a rare rebuke, Ban said in this case some unnamed countries had gone too far, declaring "it is unacceptable for member states to exert undue pressure."
...
The secretary-general was responding to what he called the "fierce reaction" to his decision, which was denounced by human rights groups. They accused the U.N. chief of caving in to Saudi Arabia and said the U.S.-backed coalition belongs on the list for its attacks on children, schools and hospitals.

Ban said he stands by his annual report on children and armed conflict, which "describes horrors no child should have to face."

The report said the U.N. verified a total of 1,953 youngsters killed and injured in Yemen in 2015 " a six-fold increase compared with 2014 " and it attributed about 60 percent of those casualties to the coalition. The U.N. said it also verified 101 attacks on schools and hospitals last year, double the number in 2014, of which 48 percent were attributed to the coalition.

Ban said he decided "to temporarily remove" the Saudi-led coalition countries from the blacklist of governments and armed groups violating children's rights pending a joint review of cases with the Saudis.

"We will assess the complaints that have been made, but the content will not change," he said.

Ban did not say explicitly that the coalition could go back on the list after the review.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
June 12 2016 11:39 GMT
#7328
On June 08 2016 20:36 AssyrianKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2016 22:47 lastpuritan wrote:
Typical Assyrianking approach, been following him for almost a year. He hates Turks, he hates non-christian Arabs, he hates Kurds, he hates Iranians and Saudis, he was hating Assad before then suddenly started boot licking god knows why. Probably Assad said something promising to his people. This is what's wrong with all of the Syrian people, they all claim the land is theirs.

And for the US wearing Kurdish badges, or US wearing any opposition badge is a shame to country and what it fights for decades. They can help them, they can arm them, but wearing badge is something big. Think of a scenario KKK fighting Taliban on US soil somehow and Russia wearing KKK badges.


The Turks & Kurdish tribes killed 750,000 of our people in the first world war and to this day have not done anything serious to make up for this, they still steal our land and back stab us, just like how the Iraqi Kurds are back stabbing the Yazidis. The Iraqi Kurds disarmed the Assyrians and Yazidi's and on the eve of when ISIS was about to arrive, they abandoned their positions and left us to die. This whole situation with the Yezidi sex slaves is the Kurds fault. For a matter a fact, everyone hates the Saudis, even Syrians hate the Saudis, they didn't accept a single refugee, and they along with Turkey are funding rebels who also want a caliphate, only difference being that "ISIS is wrong because they kill muslims". You have no idea what shit my people have been through, from 1.5 million in 2003 down to less than 300,000 now. Now the same thing will occur in Syria, for crying out loud minimum 300 of our people were held hostage by ISIS, and nobody gave a shit. Thank God they were released, through our own work.

Did you know the Kurds recently assassinated one of the leaders of an Assyrian militia, who were meant to be allies. Attack Assyrian positions in Syria simply for setting up checkpoints because of ISIS suicide bombing and grenade attacks, how are we supposed to trust the Kurds, we will never live under the Kurds, every Assyrian that has come from Syria says life was fine with Assad, atleast.


Yeah, do you know how many Kurdish nations have been destroyed by early Turkish republic or late Ottoman or Iran?
Do you know how many Turkish civilians have died during WW1?
Or do you know how Arabs and Armenians backstabbed Turks or how Turkey backstabbed Russians and some Kurdish tribes? Get over it. It has been a century. Leave hatred aside, plan wise. Your old lands won't be yours again, and you guys are about to lose your current land as well and you still pick the worst guy as a savior.

Life was fine with Assad, but life isn't fine because of Assad now. I'm not that dumb to claim it all happened because Assad's army killed some protesters, but his role is major and he even himself let some of his people die, you know his army maneuvers and bombing strategy better than I do.

Actually right now he's the one who leaves your fate in the hands of the Kurds in Hasakah and mainly Northern Syria.You won't get a single portion of your Assyrian land from Kurds even under Assad or some moderate Islamic brotherhood type regime. Assyrians hold one advantage, they are christians. If there's one community to tell the world about upcoming leftist militaristic nationalism of YPG, it is yours.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3260 Posts
June 12 2016 12:23 GMT
#7329
On June 10 2016 15:41 xM(Z wrote:
some sort of related middle-eastern annex http://www.sj-r.com/news/20160610/un-chief-took-saudis-off-blacklist-over-threat-to-stop-funds
Show nested quote +
UNITED NATIONS (AP) " Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday he temporarily removed the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen from a U.N. blacklist for violating child rights because its supporters threatened to stop funding many U.N. programs.

Ban said he had to consider "the very real prospect" that millions of other children in the Palestinian territories, South Sudan, Syria, Yemen and many other places "would suffer grievously" if U.N. programs were defunded.

"This was one of the most painful and difficult decisions I have had to make," he said.

U.N. secretary-generals are always subject to pressure from the 193 member nations. But in a rare rebuke, Ban said in this case some unnamed countries had gone too far, declaring "it is unacceptable for member states to exert undue pressure."
...
Show nested quote +
The secretary-general was responding to what he called the "fierce reaction" to his decision, which was denounced by human rights groups. They accused the U.N. chief of caving in to Saudi Arabia and said the U.S.-backed coalition belongs on the list for its attacks on children, schools and hospitals.

Ban said he stands by his annual report on children and armed conflict, which "describes horrors no child should have to face."

The report said the U.N. verified a total of 1,953 youngsters killed and injured in Yemen in 2015 " a six-fold increase compared with 2014 " and it attributed about 60 percent of those casualties to the coalition. The U.N. said it also verified 101 attacks on schools and hospitals last year, double the number in 2014, of which 48 percent were attributed to the coalition.

Ban said he decided "to temporarily remove" the Saudi-led coalition countries from the blacklist of governments and armed groups violating children's rights pending a joint review of cases with the Saudis.

"We will assess the complaints that have been made, but the content will not change," he said.

Ban did not say explicitly that the coalition could go back on the list after the review.

Honestly I rarely ever wish people bad things, but I'll make an exception for the al Sauds and everyone related to them. I hope they all die a violent and very painful death. And better sooner than later, cause the world certainly would be better of without Saudi Arabia's political and religious leaders.

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low gravity, yes-yes!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6236 Posts
June 17 2016 10:21 GMT
#7330
Iraqi forces recaptured the municipal building in Falluja from Islamic State militants, state television said on Friday, nearly four weeks after the offensive to retake the city, an hour's drive west of Baghdad, began.

The ultra-hardline militants still control a significant portion of the city, where the conflict has forced the evacuation of most residents and many streets and houses remain mined with explosives.

A military statement said the federal police had raised the Iraqi flag above the government building and were continuing to pursue the insurgents, who continued to hold other areas.

The police were advancing along Baghdad Street, the main east-west road running through the city, and counter-terrorism forces had surrounded Falluja hospital, the statement said.

Those forces, along with the army, Shi'ite Muslim militias, Sunni tribal fighters and U.S.-led coalition air strikes, launched a major operation on May 23 to retake Falluja, an historic bastion of the Sunni insurgency against U.S. forces that toppled dictator Saddam Hussein, a Sunni, in 2003, and the Shi'ite-led governments that followed

The city is seen as a launchpad for Islamic State bombings in the capital, making the offensive a crucial part of the government's campaign to improve security. U.S. allies would prefer to concentrate on Islamic State-held Mosul, Iraq's second largest city in the far north.

www.reuters.com
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
June 21 2016 10:15 GMT
#7331
How did ISIS manage to get control of that tiny corner of land in the southwest bordering the Golan heights and Jordan??? How long have they controlled that area for?
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9229 Posts
June 21 2016 14:49 GMT
#7332
Probably because no one bothered to attack them there? On the map it looks like they're cut off and besieged but from my limited knowledge about this conflict I can say that all sides are pretty bad at controlling the land so "islands" like that are common in Syria.
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oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
June 21 2016 15:42 GMT
#7333
Yea but ISIS started in the east of Syria didn't they? And they didn't form until a couple of years into the war. The Opposition would have already controlled that southwestern corner. It just seems strange that they managed to get to that area
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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
June 21 2016 18:04 GMT
#7334
There was a merger of several smaller rebel groups about a month ago into a group called Khalid ibn al-Walid Army. Afaik the group consists mostly of local Syrians. The groups that merged got more radical over time. If I remember correctly LSY(one of the merged groups) for example was a SF group in the past and received support from US led MOC. Accusations that they are ISIS affiliates are around since at least 2014 but I am not sure if the ever overtly said so.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 21 2016 19:22 GMT
#7335
On June 22 2016 03:04 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
There was a merger of several smaller rebel groups about a month ago into a group called Khalid ibn al-Walid Army. Afaik the group consists mostly of local Syrians. The groups that merged got more radical over time. If I remember correctly LSY(one of the merged groups) for example was a SF group in the past and received support from US led MOC. Accusations that they are ISIS affiliates are around since at least 2014 but I am not sure if the ever overtly said so.

That's those good old "moderate rebels" for you. I wonder if the FP decision-makers don't know, or simply don't care. From what I've seen it could definitely be either one.
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
June 21 2016 20:32 GMT
#7336
IgorGirkin on Twitter: Russian reporter Roman Saponkov reports "catastrophe" in Raqqa and East to Palmyra. Daesh attacked with many dead SAA soldiers, Raqqa battle group is totally destroyed, some possible trapped in Daesh pocket


https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4p5qv3/igorgirkin_on_twitter_russian_reporter_roman/
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2016 15:03 GMT
#7337
A senior Iraqi commander has declared that Falluja is fully liberated from Islamic State militants after the capture of the last district held by the militants following a month-long military operation.

Iraqi troops entered the north-western Golan neighbourhood, the head of the counterterrorism forces in the operation, Lt Gen Abdul-Wahab al-Saadi, said on Sunday.

Saadi said the operation, which began in late May, was complete and the city was “fully liberated”. The Iraqi army was backed by US-led coalition airstrikes and paramilitary troops, mostly Shia militias.

“From the centre of Golan neighbourhood, we congratulate the Iraqi people and the commander in chief … and declare that the Falluja fight is over,” he told Iraqi state TV, flanked by military officers and soldiers. Some of the soldiers were shooting in the air, chanting and waving the Iraqi flag.

Falluja had been under the control of Isis since January 2014. It was the first major urban centre to fall to the group and was once considered to be a fortress that could take months to wrest back into government control.


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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6236 Posts
June 28 2016 19:05 GMT
#7338
It was barely more than a squiggle, but the mark of a single letter sprayed overnight on a wall in the heart of Islamic State's self-proclaimed caliphate was a daring act of dissent.

The next day, ultra-hardline Islamic State fighters came and scrubbed out the "M" -- the first letter of the word for "resistance" in Arabic -- which appeared in an alley near the Grand Mosque in the Iraqi city of Mosul about three weeks ago.

A video of the single letter, scrawled about a meter long on the wall, was shared with Reuters by an activist from a group called "Resistance", whose members risk certain execution to conduct small acts of defiance in areas under Islamic State rule.

Nearly two years since Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi delivered a sermon from that same mosque summoning Muslims worldwide to the "caliphate", it is fraying at the edges.

As an array of forces make inroads into their territory spanning Iraq and Syria, the jihadis are becoming even harsher to maintain control of a population that is increasingly hostile to them, according to Iraqi officials and people who managed to escape.

"They are harsh, but they are not strong," said Major General Najm al-Jubbouri, who is in command of the operation to recapture Mosul and the surrounding areas. "Their hosts reject them."

Many local Sunnis initially welcomed the Sunni Muslim militants as saviors from a Shi'ite-led government they perceived as oppressive, while thousands of foreigners answered Baghdadi's call to come and wage holy war.

For a time, the militants claimed one victory after another, thanks as much to the weakness and division of the forces arrayed against them as their own strength. They funded themselves through sales of oil from fields they overran, and plundered weapons and ammunition from those they vanquished.

But two years since the declaration of the caliphate, the tide has begun to turn in favor of its many enemies: Iraqi and Syrian government troops, Kurdish forces in both countries, rival Syrian Sunni rebels, Iranian-backed Shi'ite militias, and a U.S.-led coalition which has bombed the militants while conducting special operations to take out their commanders.

Of the 43 founders of Islamic State, also known as ISIS, ISIL or Daesh, 39 have been killed, said Hisham al-Hashimi, a Baghdad-based expert who advises the Iraqi government.

The self-proclaimed caliph, Baghdadi, is moving in a semi-desert plain that covers several thousand square kilometers west of the Tigris river and south of Mosul, avoiding Syria after two of his close aides were killed there this year: "war minister" Abu Omar al-Shishani and top civilian administrator and second-in-command Abd al-Rahman al-Qaduli, Hashimi said.

The most senior commanders after Baghdadi are now Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the group's spokesman who took over military supervision after Shishani's death, and Abu Muhammad al-Shimali, who oversees foreign fighters and succeeded Qaduli as civilian administrator, he said.

Kurdish and Iraqi military commanders say the group is deploying fighters who are less experienced and less ideologically committed to defend what remains of its quasi-state, which is under attack on multiple fronts.

Iraqi forces recently entered the Islamic State bastion of Falluja just west of Baghdad, and are pushing north towards Mosul, by far the biggest city Islamic State controls with a pre-war population of 2 million.

In neighboring Syria, U.S.-backed forces are closing in on the militant stronghold of Manbij, and President Bashar al-Assad's Russian-backed army has advanced into the province surrounding the de facto Islamic State capital Raqqa.

On a front south of Mosul, a group of women displaced by the offensive said Islamic State fighters' grip had begun to loosen as Iraqi forces advanced, to the point that they no longer punished people for not wearing the full face veil.

The number of foreign fighters has fallen significantly, and renewed efforts by the group to recruit locals have proven largely unsuccessful, except amongst the young and destitute, according to people who recently fled, including three repentant Islamic State members.

"When you are a young man and you don't own 250 dinars and someone comes and offers you 20,000, 15,000 or 30,000, you will do anything," said a former Islamic State militant from Iraq's northern Hawija district who recently gave himself up to Kurdish forces.

Members of Islamic State's vice squad, the Hisba, are increasingly being sent to the frontlines as designated fighters are killed off, according to people who escaped as well as Iraqi and Kurdish military and intelligence officials.

That means there are fewer militants to enforce the group's draconian rules and dress code. But a 28 year-old teacher who recently fled Mosul said people were so afraid of the militants they did not disobey them even when they were not around.

"If they say black is white, you agree," said the teacher, who asked not to be identified because he still has family inside the city and feared they could be targeted.

School courses were redesigned by the militants to reflect their war-like ideology. He gave an example of a math problem given to his pupils: "The Mudjahid is carrying seven magazines for his rifle, each with 30 bullets; how many rounds can he fire at the unbelievers?"

He said Arabic lessons were also redesigned, with pupils asked to fill in blanks in slogan-like sentences such as "The Islamic State is xxxx and xxxx". The answer is "staying and expanding".

www.reuters.com

Looks like they overextended and are now slowly collapsing.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 12:04:54
July 07 2016 11:54 GMT
#7339
i don't really know where i left off this but they mostly killed each other after; russians, Assad, Hezbollah killed more in Aleppo both rebels and civilians and al-Nusra, al-Sham, FSA returned the favor.
the hostilities culminated with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Aleppo_offensive_(June_2016) + Show Spoiler +
The offensive on 25 June, was preceded by heavy Russian air-strikes.[1] Heavy ground bombardment was also involved before the ground offensive was launched. The pro-government al-Watan newspaper said the amount of firepower used was "unprecedented," with local sources describing the fighting in the area as "World War III".[6] Overall, heavy mortars, rocket launchers, airstrikes and tank fire were used.[8] The Army attempted to advance in the northwestern part of the city, as well as in the Mallah farmlands to the north, near the Castello Road, the rebels' last supply route into Aleppo. Initially, the Army managed to capture several positions[6] in the northwestern al-Zahra and al-Khalidiyah districts of Aleppo.[3][9] By the next morning, over a 5-hour period, the Russian Air Force had conducted over 60 air-strikes against rebel positions.[10]
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- US and allies obviously ditched their Raqqa push and headed west towards Manbij https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manbij_offensive_(2016) + Show Spoiler +
The Manbij offensive, also known as Operation Martyr and Commander Faysal Abu Layla, is a 2016 military offensive operation by the Syrian Democratic Forces to capture the city of Manbij from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), and eventually, the ISIL-held areas through Al-Bab to Herbel, in the area referred to as the "Manbij Pocket"[57] in the northern Aleppo Governorate.[58] The main goal of the offensive is to cut off ISIL's last supply routes from the outside world, and to prevent ISIL from moving fighters out of Syria to carry out terrorist attacks in Turkey and Europe.[39][59][60] During the offensive, the US-led Coalition conducted over 55 airstrikes, in support of the SDF advances.
...
By 14 June, the SDF had captured 105 villages and farms, while intense airstrikes targeted the northern and eastern vicinity, and outskirts of Manbij city, to prepare for the eventual assault on the city.[101] Following a report by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights,[3] the Syrian government "strongly condemned" the presence of French and German special forces on Syrian territory. While France's defense minister had previously announced its special forces would help the SDF advance towards Manbij, a German Foreign Office spokesman declared the accusation to be "false", stating that there were no German special forces.[4]


- on Turkey - US rift, the same operation + Show Spoiler +
On 3 April, the U.S. asked for Turkey’s support for the Manbij offensive, but Turkey had two demands in exchange for helping the U.S.-led anti-ISIL coalition. Turkey first demanded that the Syrian Arab tribes to be included in the Manbij operation should leave the Syrian Democratic Forces, which mostly consists of the People's Protection Units and the Women's Protection Units, and also the U.S. should increase its airstrikes for groups Turkey supports.[63] On 4 April, according to a Turkish source, a group of U.S. military and intelligence staff traveled to Turkey to work on a plan for an operation to liberate Manbij.[63] Turkey stated that it would not participate nor contribute to the offensive,[64] the reason being the involvement of Kurdish (YPG) fighters and because it was beyond the range of artillery stationed in Turkey.[65] Furthermore, Turkish intelligence and military units were to closely watch the operation in Manbij.[66] When the offensive started, the Washington Post reported it under the headline of "Ignoring Turkey, U.S. backs Kurds in drive against ISIS in Syria".[67]
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On 31 May, the US announced that they would support the offensive and send supporting troops to the area. A US official stated that "Syrian Arab fighters would be the ones to stabilize and secure it once Islamic State is gone".[70] The same day the offensive started, the SOHR stated "most of the fighters were from the Kurdish Popular Protection Units (YPG) militia".[71] However, the next day, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said that around 3,000 SDF fighters were joining the operation and that some 2,500 of them were Arabs, while around 450 were from the YPG.[66] Furthermore, two Coalition spokesmen reiterated Arab fighters were leading the offensive, while Kurdish forces were in support, and one stated the reports that were suggesting the offensive was Kurdish-led were inaccurate.[43][44] Another report stated, per local activists, that 60 percent of the attacking force were Arabs from Manbij.[46] This was also confirmed by a Manbij Military Council commander who said 60 percent of the attacking force were Arabs and 40 percent Kurds, Turkmen and other ethnic groups,[19] while an SDF fighter gave his perspective as "we have Arabs, Kurds, nobody knows how many exactly, we all work under the SDF-forces".
; more gossip on http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-secret-turkish-us-military-deal-on-syria-and-kurds.aspx?PageID=238&NID=101298&NewsCatID=409 .

since then and after sacking its prime-minister(Davutoğlu), Turkey started mending fences with its neighbors: Israel http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-turkey-erdogan-idUSKCN0ZD0DS + Show Spoiler +
Israel and Turkey announced on Monday they would normalize ties after a six-year rupture, a rare rapprochement in the divided Middle East driven by the prospect of lucrative Mediterranean gas deals as well as mutual fears over growing security risks.

Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the two countries would exchange ambassadors as soon as possible.

The mending in relations between the once-firm allies after years of negotiations raises the prospect of eventual cooperation to exploit natural gas reserves worth hundreds of billions of dollars under the eastern Mediterranean, officials have said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it opened the way for possible Israeli gas supplies to Europe via Turkey.
and surprise, surprise Russia http://www.sigmalive.com/en/news/international/146354/erdogan-apologises-to-putin-over-death-of-russian-pilot + Show Spoiler +
Erdogan expressed readiness to restore relations with Moscow, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday.

The incident involving the downing of the Russian Su-24 bomber led to the worst deterioration of Turkish-Russian relations in recent history, with Russia describing it as a “stab in the back.”

“The head of the Turkish state expressed his deep sympathy and condolences to the relatives of the deceased Russian pilot and said ‘sorry,’” Peskov said.

In his letter, Erdogan called Russia “a friend and a strategic partner” of Ankara, with whom the Turkish authorities would not want to spoil relations.

“We never had a desire or a deliberate intention to down an aircraft belonging to Russia,” the letter read, according to a statement published on the Kremlin website.
; gossip http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=04&nav_id=98509 + Show Spoiler +
Russia has so far been launching air strikes against Islamic State from the Khmeimim base in the Syrian province of Latakia.

A green light to the Russian military to enter Incirlik could resonate much more in the West than in Syria, as that base is used by NATO forces, with troops and planes from the United States, Germany and Great Britain already stationed there.

"We can work with anyone in the fight against the Islamic State terrorists. As you know, we have opened the door of the Incirlik base to anyone who wants to participate in an active fight against IS. Why not cooperate with Russia, too? The terrorists are our common enemy and everyone should fight against them. My colleague Sergei Lavrov and I have agreed on that," Cavusoglu told Turkey's TRT Haber broadcaster.

However, Reuters reported on Monday that Cavusoglu in comments broadcast live on television "denied such an interpretation of his words":

"We said that we could cooperate with Russia in the period ahead in the fight against Daesh (Islamic State)... I did not make any comment referring to Russian planes coming to the Incirlik Air Base."

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, meanwhile, said there were not official talks with Turkey with the aim of allowing Russian aircraft to use the air base in question.
there are even reports of secret Assad <-> Turkey meetings; gossip http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-07/07/content_26003818.htm + Show Spoiler +
Now, according to HDP parliamentary group leader Idris Baluken, Ankara may be trying to mend relations with Damascus as well. Late last month, the lawmaker tabled a parliamentary question on the secret talks allegedly being held between Syrian and Turkish officials in third countries.

Speaking to Sputnik Turkey, Baluken explained that "according to available information, secret negotiations are being conducted between Syria and Turkey, in Algeria and several other countries."

"At the plenary session of parliament, I appealed to the government to clarify the situation regarding information of secret talks between Syria and Turkey. However, we have not received a response officially refuting this information, nor a declaration explaining the details [of such negotiations]."


- kurds view on a lot of things by PYD Co-President Salih Muslim http://ekurd.net/turkey-wants-relations-syria-kurd-2016-07-07
GENEVA,— Salih Muslim, the co-chair of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party PYD of Syrian Kurdistan spoke to ANF on recent political developments, and said that the US and Russia have documents that will enable the ICC to prosecute Erdogan. Muslim recalled the ongoing court case of Rıza Zarrab in the US, and said that this case enables certain powers to pull the plug.

during all that, Russia (allegedly or purposefully)bombed US backed rebels, somewhere in S-Syria, Jordanian border. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/17/russian-warplanes-bomb-elite-british-backed-syrian-rebels/ + Show Spoiler +
Russian and American warplanes confronted one another in the skies above Syria after Moscow bombed an elite force of US-trained rebels.

The Pentagon on Friday scrambled F/A-18 fighters to fend off an attack by Moscow's most advanced bombers on moderate opposition fighters it is supporting.

When the F/A-18s approached the Russians moved out of the area, but when the US fighters paused to refuel they returned and struck the base again, in what appeared to be a deliberately provocative move.

The Russians had been ordered to back off by the US pilots directly using a special communications channel set up to prevent air accidents, but were ignored.

Shortly after, US military officials held a video conference with Russia in which they "expressed strong concerns about the attack on the coalition-supported counter-Isil forces at the Al-Tanf garrison, which included New Syrian Army forces that are participants in the cessation of hostilities in Syria," said Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook.

The Russians claimed on Sunday that the location given by the US did not match what was on the ground.

"The Russian side explained that the target that was bombed is 300 kilometres from the area identified by the Americans as the location of Syrian opposition groups participating in the ceasefire," said Major General Igor Konashenkov, a Russian military spokesman, commenting on talks with the US after the incident.

The New Syrian Army (NSA), which receives training and direction from British, American and Jordanian special forces, said their base had been struck with cluster bombs.

The strike left two people dead and another 18 injured, appearing to incapacitate at least half of the force and drawing a furious reaction from Washington.
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- Obama - Putin talks on Syria, Ukraine and the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. http://europe.newsweek.com/putin-calls-obama-discuss-syria-ukraine-karabakh-478285?rm=eu or http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-07/07/content_25998571.htm

- latest gossip/opinions/declarations:
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-opposition-says-us-has-handed-over-control-crisis-russia-977600179 + Show Spoiler +
Washington has “handed over control” of the Syrian crisis to Russia, the head of the Syrian opposition’s political bloc alleged on Thursday.

In a strongly-worded statement issued on Thursday, the head of the opposition’s negotiating team slammed Washington for taking a back seat on Syria, accusing US officials of “handing over control” of the crisis to Russia, a key backer of President Bashar al-Assad.

Asaad al-Zubi said that a ceasefire agreed between the US and Russia in February had effectively completely broken down on the ground, leading to severe losses for the opposition.

Zubi said the latest ceasefire, a 72-hour truce announced unilaterally by President Assad on Wednesday to mark the festival of Eid, was proof that Washington had handed over responsibility for the crisis to Assad and his allies.

The accusations come as Washington comes under fire for allegedly leaving a group of US-backed fighters stranded without air cover during an assault on an IS position in eastern Syria.

http://us.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/syria-iraq-isis/index.html + Show Spoiler +
(CNN)U.S. support jets assisting Syrian rebels diverted to Iraq to strike suspected ISIS militants last week, according to a senior U.S. official, leaving the rebels without badly needed air cover.
"The timing was not ideal," the official said.
One aircraft flying air support missions over Al-Bukamal during the recent fighting there was called off and diverted to strike at a massive convoy of suspected ISIS militants that had been observed to be trying to leave the southern outskirts of Fallujah, according to the senior U.S. official. Several aircraft were diverted from various patrols in different parts of Iraq, but only one was taken away from the Al-Bukamal battle.
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https://theweek.com/articles/634221/russian-aircraft-carrier-something + Show Spoiler +
The aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is the biggest ship in the Russian navy and the most visible symbol of the Kremlin's military power. This October, she will travel to the Mediterranean and carry out air strikes in Syria, according to a report from the Moscow-based Tass news agency.


- currently, there's a 72 hours truce in Syria on the count of Ramadan ending(?)(the festival of Eid) but is being breached sporadically.

Edit: forgot a report on US/western allies http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-rebels-guilty-of-war-crimes-amnesty.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101268&NewsCatID=352
Islamist rebels and jihadists in Syria are guilty of war crimes, Amnesty International said in a report on July 5, accusing them of “a chilling wave of abductions, torture and summary killings.”

The London-based rights group named five Syrian anti-regime factions operating in northern Syria: al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra Front, hardliner Ahrar al-Sham, Nureddin Zinki, the Levant Front and Division 16.

The groups have detained and tortured lawyers, journalists, and children -- among others -- for criticizing them, committing acts seen as immoral, or being minorities, the report said. “Many civilians live in constant fear of being abducted if they criticize the conduct of armed groups in power or fail to abide by the strict rules that some have imposed,” said Philip Luther, head of Amnesty’s Middle East and North Africa program.

“In Aleppo and Idlib today, armed groups have free rein to commit war crimes and other violations of international humanitarian law with impunity,” he added.

The report is based on 24 accounts of abduction by anti-regime groups between 2012 and 2016 and another five cases of torture.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 12:20:48
July 07 2016 12:20 GMT
#7340
On July 07 2016 20:54 xM(Z wrote:
- currently, there's a 72 hours truce in Syria on the count of Ramadan ending(?)(the festival of Eid) but is being breached sporadically.

Al-Nusra & Co. tried to surprise attack the SAA in northern Aleppo during the cease-fire but they failed and were beaten back. SAA went on the counter (Tiger forces according to Syrian media) and now have fire control over the only road leading into rebel Aleppo. Technically Aleppo is now encircled but there are like 4 pockets in Syria already that the SAA have been failing to properly blockade.

Heres a Reuters article if you want to read more but keep in mind who Reuters is citing:
www.reuters.com
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