Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 350

On December 10 2015 19:55 frontliner2 wrote:
Same guy that refers to Putin as Mr. Poopoo?

This should be bannable. We're trying to have a mature discussion here.

We have seen a number of incursions into the British flight information region over recent months. We've been pressing for ways of avoiding any miscalculation or accident because these aircraft have not been responding to communications from air traffic control, or indeed signals from the planes we send up to intercept them. - Defence Secretary Michael Fallon

Any targets threatening the Russian grouping or our land infrastructure should be immediately destroyed."
"I would like to warn those who would once again try to organise some sort of provocations against our servicemen, [our servicemen] I order you to act as tough as possible." - Vladimir Putin.

President Erdoğan again vowed on Dec. 11 that Turkey would not withdraw troops, despite strong objections from Baghdad. The deployed soldiers are not combat troops, but have been sent to protect soldiers providing training to Iraqi and Kurdish forces, Erdogan told reporters on Dec. 11 before departing for a visit to Turkmenistan. He added that Turkey is “determined” to continue the training program. I confirm that we deployed our troops there due to Iraqi request, but are we gonna wait central government's permission to react against an ISIL threat to our country? We don't have that luxury. If central government can't take any measures against such threats, we surely do. We warned them about this several time in past.

Earlier in the week, Turkey sent “one armored regiment with a number of tanks and artillery” across the Iraqi border, according to a statement from the office the Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi.

The Turkish deployment was not part of the US-led efforts against the IS, officials in Washington said.

The Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov yesterday said that Russia is ready to close the Turkish Syrian border:
Lavrov recalled that French President Francois Hollande earlier voiced the proposal to adopt specific measures to block the Turkish-Syrian border.

"We actively support that. We are open for coordination of practical steps, certainly, in interaction with the Syrian government," he said. "We are convinced that by blocking the border we will in many respects solve the tasks to eradicate terrorism on Syrian soil."

BEIJING - China on Wednesday called for better coordination and dialogue as Iraq demanded Turkey withdraw its troops from northern Iraq.

"China is closely following the development of the incident. We noticed that defense ministers of Turkey and Iraq talked over phone about the matter," said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying at a press briefing.

Iraq's sovereignty and territorial integrity should be respected, she said.

China urges state-to-state relations be handled in accordance with the UN Charter and basic norms of international relations, said the spokeswoman.

On December 12 2015 22:01 xM(Z wrote:
Putin stated countless of times that he is defending Russia's strategical interests. now, if those are the same as the interests of the russian people or the same as the interests of russian oligarchs is open to debate.

On December 13 2015 00:29 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone wants ISIS gone

On December 12 2015 17:24 xM(Z wrote:

Turkey is playing on its own and it never supported the kurds in Syria or Iraq(only US did that).

my guess is that the russians are closing(or closed already) a major transit point for IS oil into Turkey so Turkey wants to open another one; a new rat line.

And tomorrow [Dec. 10], Mr. Feridun [Sinirlioğlu] and Mr. Hakan [Fidan], our MİT undersecretary, will go to Baghdad. In any case, you can be sure that we will always give all kinds support against terror for Iraq and for you,” Davutoğlu told Barzani

Barzani made clear that their only target at present was to eradicate ISIL. “We are the friend of Turkey, Iran and all countries. We are not taking sides and we will not allow anybody to make plans on our region.”

For providing security on entire Kurdish region, the removal of ISIL from Mosul is must, Barzani noted.

“We have already said that we are ready for liberating the city but other parties are not ready. DAESH needs to be defeated in Syria and Iraq. It’s not right if they are hit in Iraq and not hit in Syria. Our stance is clear on this. They may have been weakened militarily but they can hit through other ways.”

On December 12 2015 21:34 NukeD wrote:
I don't believe a word western countries have to say about this conflict. I think fighting ISIS plays a very tiny portion on their agenda.

What seems as most plausible theory for this whole conflict is that Turkey (?) wanted to build an oil pipeline that went from Quatar to Turkey, through Saui Arabia and Syria, but Assad refused because of his deal with Russia. This pipeline would also suposedly be a huge financial blow to Russian monopole over the delivery to oil and gas to Europe. I think western countries then tried to get rid of Assad, in the same fashion as they disposed Gadaffi, by making use of exremist forces such as ISIS, that flourished after the western invasion of Middle east, so they could install a more obedient Sydian leader who would allow the pipeline to be built. Naturally Russia came to defend Assad and his regime for the above stated reason, while publicly claiming fighting terrorism is their agenda, which is not. Russia by doing this also kind of forced USA to fight ISIS because it made their air bombing look pathetic in contrast to Russia, which has posed some serious questions to their real agenda.

On December 13 2015 00:29 LegalLord wrote:
Everyone wants ISIS gone, but they also want Syria to develop on its own terms as a precondition for doing anything about it, which leads to this awkward and destructive stalemate in which ISIS flourishes.

On December 13 2015 06:19 xM(Z wrote:
i'll still say you're delusional and not going to argue with you; i'll say that Turkey wants to take Mosul(some parts at least) before Russia + the kurds get there.

On December 13 2015 18:09 xM(Z wrote:
all they have to do is help kurds with air strikes and maybe weapons. they already have the green light for air strikes inside Iraq(against IS).
US+kurds will go against IS but turks+kurds never.
Turkey is opening a new "safe zone"(IS oil trucks will pass from Mosul through their safe zone and into Turkey) since the one in Syria was closed by the russians; it will be relatively safe if no further alliances between kurds/iraqis and russians develop.