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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
October 19 2014 17:59 GMT
#5041
Yeah I suspect jihadist propaganda videos where everyone's literally ducking and running from American warplanes are probably not going to be the most effective recruitment tools....
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 23:10:28
October 19 2014 18:38 GMT
#5042
On October 19 2014 22:46 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 22:17 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Just watched some isis footage from kobani .. why they keep on shooting the coalition planes with their pick up mounted machine guns instead of hiding ?

Because they are idiots overhyped by Western media and made look successful on the background of cowardice and ineptness of the Iraqi army.

It's a shame the US and Maliki made it that way. Despite the ineptness, they've been beating ISIS everywhere except Anbar lol. Fortunately, Abadi has cleared out a lot of the Maliki goons from the military leadership, who were 100% responsible for the June-August collapse (desert your soldiers, tell them to go home, etc... great leadership), and has even brought back formerly-banned officers of the previous Baath-era military. Even the new defense minister was a senior air force officer back then.

However, did anyone notice that the Interior minister is from the Badr group? They're pretty much an Iranian proxy in Iraq. The only purpose Iran serves is to cause more instability in Iraq for its own interests.

Related: Mixed reactions over Iraq appointments
Also: Appointment of Iraq’s new interior minister opens door to militia and Iranian influence


This is why it's not a good idea to play with fire explosives XD
Five members of the IS killed by a bomb they were trying to plant west of Kirkuk
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 20 2014 03:50 GMT
#5043
Those guys are so fanatic that it reaches the point of them not caring if they live or die. I would never cheer for such barbarians but if you are fighting for a cause at least do it properly.

Important:

Central Command: US military conducted multiple airdrops tonight to resupply Kurdish forces near Kobani, Syria - @CENTCOM


More: US military forces deliver weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to Kurdish forces in Kobani, Syria - @CENTCOM
Yes im
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 20 2014 09:29 GMT
#5044
Looks like the US has finally lost patience with Turkey's attitude:

US military aircraft have dropped weapons, ammunition and medical supplies to Kurdish fighters battling Islamic State (IS) militants in the key Syrian town of Kobane.

US Central Command said C-130 transport aircraft had made "multiple" drops of supplies provided by Kurdish authorities in Iraq.

US air strikes have helped push back IS in the town near the Turkish border.

Correspondents say the airdrops are likely to anger key US ally Turkey.

The drops of supplies provided by Kurdish authorities in Iraq were "intended to enable continued resistance against Isil's attempts to overtake Kobane," CentCom said in a statement. IS is also referred to as Isil and Isis.

All the aircraft involved had returned safely, it added.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29684761
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15353 Posts
October 20 2014 12:39 GMT
#5045
Well so that means they just airlifted existing Kurdish supplies from Iraq to Syria, right? What does that have to do with Turkey?
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5286 Posts
October 20 2014 14:35 GMT
#5046
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
October 20 2014 15:07 GMT
#5047
On October 20 2014 23:35 xM(Z wrote:
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.


Concern is, giving weapons to Kurdish fighters may(probably) lead to a point where those same weapons used against Turkey in the future since there is an on going war for 30 years between PKK(still recognized as Terrorists) & Turkey.
It is not about being evil against Kurdish people.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 18:16:00
October 20 2014 18:11 GMT
#5048
On October 20 2014 21:39 zatic wrote:
Well so that means they just airlifted existing Kurdish supplies from Iraq to Syria, right? What does that have to do with Turkey?


From the same article:

On Sunday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he would not allow Kurdish fighters to receive any transfers of American arms.


Turkey would not allow arms to reach the defenders of Kobane so the US decided to sidestep them.

Wow and check out this latest news:

Turkey is to allow Iraqi Kurdish fighters to cross the Syrian border to fight Islamic State (IS) militants in Kobane, in what is being seen as a policy reversal.

Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said talks on the subject were continuing.

Tens of thousands of people have fled months of fighting in Kobane between IS forces and Syrian Kurd defenders.

The announcement came shortly after the US carried out air drops of weapons to the town's Kurdish fighters.

Meanwhile the US-led coalition has carried out its first air strike of the day, against IS positions in the south-west of the town, says the BBC's Kasra Naji on the Turkish border.

US Central Command later confirmed six strikes near Kobane over Sunday and Monday, as well as six in Iraq near Falluja and Baiji involving French and UK aircraft.

Our correspondent says Kobane has been largely quiet for the second day running, with Kurdish fighters apparently having driven IS militants from most of the town.

But the Turkish government decision is nevertheless a major boost for the defenders' morale, he adds, and soon for their fighting capability.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29685830

Looks like the pressure paid off.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
October 20 2014 18:47 GMT
#5049
It looks like it is only allowing Peshmerga from Iraqi Kurdistan and not the volunteers that have been trying to get through for the last couple weeks form the article.

Maybe it was a compromise solution since the Turks have been on decent terms with the Kurdish factions in Iraq.
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iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
October 20 2014 18:56 GMT
#5050
On October 21 2014 00:07 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 23:35 xM(Z wrote:
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.


Concern is, giving weapons to Kurdish fighters may(probably) lead to a point where those same weapons used against Turkey in the future since there is an on going war for 30 years between PKK(still recognized as Terrorists) & Turkey.
It is not about being evil against Kurdish people.


I think by this point most people understand this argument, but someone has to fight ISIS on the ground, and the Turkish army doesn't seem like it wants to commit to that, along with every member of the "Coalition". Point being, someone has to fight ISIS on the ground, and if it's solely the remanents of the Iraqi army, well soon Turkey will be fighting ISIS anyway.. If it's not going to be the Kurds, along with the the Iraqi's.. then who? If the tradeoff is "Maybe" the Kurds will attack Turkey after ISIS is defeated, then that problem will be dealt with when it happens (even if it did the Turks would make short work of the Kurds anyway).

It's really a question of who would you rather have fighting ISIS, the Kurds, or your own army. I for one (if I was you), would pick the Kurds, then my brothers aren't getting killed.. And IF the Kurds attack, well then at least you didn't have to fight ISIS. Either way the Kurds will be getting their hands dirty, while the Turks watch from the sidelines.

Outcome1: Kurds defeat ISIS, Kurds don't attack Turkey. (Turkey doesn't have to do anything)
Outcome2: Kurds defeat ISIS, attack Turkey (Turkey has to fight)
Outcome3: Kurds are defeated and ISIS attacks Turkey eventually (Turks has to fight)
Outcome4: Kurds are defeated and ISIS takes over all of Syria (Looks like NATO is rolling in, GG ISIS, oh and Turkey has to fight)

Anyone else feel the same way or am I just crazy?
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 19:11:46
October 20 2014 19:10 GMT
#5051
There is also the most desirable short term outcome for Turkey. Kurds fight ISIS for another decade. Neither side attacks Turkey since doing so would mean Turkey would help the other side.

Or both sides are decimated and neither able to attack Turkey until a few decades have passed when diplomacy has probably removed the problem.
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 19:34:52
October 20 2014 19:28 GMT
#5052
On October 21 2014 04:10 Yurie wrote:
There is also the most desirable short term outcome for Turkey. Kurds fight ISIS for another decade. Neither side attacks Turkey since doing so would mean Turkey would help the other side.

Or both sides are decimated and neither able to attack Turkey until a few decades have passed when diplomacy has probably removed the problem.


Yes that is true, I forgot that one. I think in ordered for that to happen though, the Kurds would need more weaponry over the decades.. otherwise I doubt they would be able to hold out against a multi-prong-multi-decade attack. Maybe I'm wrong.. just an assumption



In mid-September, Islamic State militants launched an offensive to seize Kobane, a predominantly Kurdish town in Syria just across the border from Turkey. In the following weeks, Turkey closed its border, leaving thousands of civilians stuck inside the active war zone, trying to get past the tightly controlled crossings.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 20 2014 19:34 GMT
#5053
On October 21 2014 03:47 Antisocialmunky wrote:
It looks like it is only allowing Peshmerga from Iraqi Kurdistan and not the volunteers that have been trying to get through for the last couple weeks form the article.

Maybe it was a compromise solution since the Turks have been on decent terms with the Kurdish factions in Iraq.


Turkey was not allowing Iraqi Peshmerga to pass through Turkey either though so this is actually significant.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2115 Posts
October 20 2014 23:22 GMT
#5054
@judiciatorhammurabi, I'm pipogevy (got name change)

I think the biggest fault of the Iraqi government was breaking the trust of it's citizens, many in the Assyrian community are either leaving the country because of loss of faith that Iraq will treat them equal, or they are forming their own militia because of distrust between them and the both the government & the Kurds
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pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 01:40:52
October 21 2014 01:34 GMT
#5055
On October 21 2014 03:56 iMOOrtal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 00:07 Laserist wrote:
On October 20 2014 23:35 xM(Z wrote:
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.


Concern is, giving weapons to Kurdish fighters may(probably) lead to a point where those same weapons used against Turkey in the future since there is an on going war for 30 years between PKK(still recognized as Terrorists) & Turkey.
It is not about being evil against Kurdish people.


Outcome1: Kurds defeat ISIS, Kurds don't attack Turkey. (Turkey doesn't have to do anything)
Outcome2: Kurds defeat ISIS, attack Turkey (Turkey has to fight)
Outcome3: Kurds are defeated and ISIS attacks Turkey eventually (Turks has to fight)
Outcome4: Kurds are defeated and ISIS takes over all of Syria (Looks like NATO is rolling in, GG ISIS, oh and Turkey has to fight)

Anyone else feel the same way or am I just crazy?


Nice saying, but probability of outcome 2 is not acceptable in our turkish public. Pkk was doing very well with their previous guns, mines and tech. Mistakenly (or somehow) upgraded PKK with better guns, more ammo, simply will end up with a lot of civilian and soldier killing, lasting maybe 30 more years, and even if they kill soldiers, you cant really say they are freedom fighters against Turkey, like they are against ISIS, title will be "Nato Ally was hit by soonly armed PKK". You can still blame Turkey with its kurdish violating past and maybe think like "The snake that doesn't touch me can live a thousand years " but somehow, there is no guarantee that PKK will be a good ally to west, or at least stay neutral, and of course, -nobody cares about what Turks really care (maybe USA) - you should care and listen 50 million turks before deciding on something strongly related with them and their future concerning deaths, borders, neighbors etc. IF YOU ARE REALLY SEEKING FOR PEACE.

Turkey was able to do offensive operations to seek & destroy PKK inside Iraq, Northern Iraq and central were not backing up PKK in those good old times, now, Turkey can face a strong army while trying to respond. (Combined 3 kurdish armies)

I know the word "terrorist" is dumb and most of the times, states are the greatest terrorizing structures, but its still a matter of trust. Prove us that you are not terrorist anymore, you can even hold a nuke in your pocket, i dont care. But if you try to make an uprising like previous one *ending with turkish jets bombing border and kurdish leaders sheathe swords*, if you still try to liberate 5 provinces and threaten Turkey with revolution, no, no, no. Its been a long time since Turkey actually stopped trying to convert Kurdish people to Turkish or destroy them.

Meh, i wish i could share you some long turkish leaked videos about Kurdish leaders and Turkish generals, that would be gamechanging and %100 would change your perspective about both Syria - Turkey.


News:

We talked with Turkish authorities - I did, the president did, to make it very very clear that this is not a shift in policy by the United States. It is crisis moment, an emergency," Kerry told reporters on a visit to Indonesia, adding that it was a "momentary effort."


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-told-turkey-arms-drop-to-syrian-kurds-momentary-response-to-crisis-kerry.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73224&NewsCatID=359

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-military-says-air-drops-weapons-for-kurdish-fighters-near-kobane.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73209&NewsCatID=352

“We are helping the Peshmerga cross into Kobane. Our discussions are still underway,” Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said during a joint press conference with Tunisian Foreign Minister Mongi Hamdi.

Although Çavuşoğlu did not elaborate on the ongoing discussions, Foreign Ministry sources confirmed that crossings of Peshmerga forces through Turkey had already begun.

Turkey had been in “full cooperation with the international coalition over Kobane,” Çavuşoğlu said.

“We have never wanted Kobane to fall [into the hands of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - ISIL] and never will. Turkey has made every effort to prevent that. Turkey sent humanitarian assistance and medical equipment. We have been in full cooperation with coalition forces for Kobane. We want the region to be cleaned of all threats,” he said.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-lets-kurdish-fighters-cross-into-kobane.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73218&NewsCatID=338
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 01:49:49
October 21 2014 01:47 GMT
#5056
On October 21 2014 10:34 pls no ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 03:56 iMOOrtal wrote:
On October 21 2014 00:07 Laserist wrote:
On October 20 2014 23:35 xM(Z wrote:
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.


Concern is, giving weapons to Kurdish fighters may(probably) lead to a point where those same weapons used against Turkey in the future since there is an on going war for 30 years between PKK(still recognized as Terrorists) & Turkey.
It is not about being evil against Kurdish people.


Outcome1: Kurds defeat ISIS, Kurds don't attack Turkey. (Turkey doesn't have to do anything)
Outcome2: Kurds defeat ISIS, attack Turkey (Turkey has to fight)
Outcome3: Kurds are defeated and ISIS attacks Turkey eventually (Turks has to fight)
Outcome4: Kurds are defeated and ISIS takes over all of Syria (Looks like NATO is rolling in, GG ISIS, oh and Turkey has to fight)

Anyone else feel the same way or am I just crazy?


Nice saying, but probability of outcome 2 is not acceptable in our turkish public. Pkk was doing very well with their previous guns, mines and tech. Mistakenly (or somehow) upgraded PKK with better guns, more ammo, simply will end up with a lot of civilian and soldier killing, lasting maybe 30 more years, and even if they kill soldiers, you cant really say they are freedom fighters against Turkey, like they are against ISIS, title will be "Nato Ally was hit by soonly armed PKK". You can still blame Turkey with its kurdish violating past and maybe think like "The snake that doesn't touch me can live a thousand years " but somehow, there is no guarantee that PKK will be a good ally to west, or at least stay neutral, and of course, -nobody cares about what Turks really care (maybe USA) - you should care and listen 50 million turks before deciding on something strongly related with them and their future concerning deaths, borders, neighbors etc. IF YOU ARE REALLY SEEKING FOR PEACE.

Turkey was able to do offensive operations to seek & destroy PKK inside Iraq, Northern Iraq and central were not backing up PKK in those good old times, now, Turkey can face a strong army while trying to respond. (Combined 3 kurdish armies)

I know the word "terrorist" is dumb and most of the times, states are the greatest terrorizing structures, but its still a matter of trust. Prove us that you are not terrorist anymore, you can even hold a nuke in your pocket, i dont care. But if you try to make an uprising like previous one *ending with turkish jets bombing border and kurdish leaders sheathe swords*, if you still try to liberate 5 provinces and threaten Turkey with revolution, no, no, no. Its been a long time since Turkey actually stopped trying to convert Kurdish people to Turkish or destroy them.

Meh, i wish i could share you some long turkish leaked videos about Kurdish leaders and Turkish generals, that would be gamechanging and %100 would change your perspective about both Syria - Turkey.


I wish you could share that as well then? But since you can't or choose not to, I guess I will go on thinking that if someone is going to fight ISIS on the ground, it might as well be the Iraqi's and the Kurds and whatever FSA units are able to while still fighting the gov in Syria, and not us NATO bro's until we have to or are forced to. It's not like I'm saying that if the Kurds turn on you don't fight them, obviously no one would advocate that. But someone has to fight with their feet against IS and it doesn't look like its going to be the Turks, and it doesn't look like its going to be the west. Next best option, arm the only people who are actually putting up a fight against them, then deal with the consequences after it's over. There's no reason why the Turks should have to fight until they are threatened, so it might as well be the guys you hate. I'm just saying give them some guns so they can kill the barbarians, then we can sort it out after. It's not like what we give them would stop us from carpet bombing them back into the stone age anyway, right? I'm just hoping, and assuming, we won't have to do that. Maybe if we showed the Kurds some trust they would return it. Maybe they will attack you after they fight ISIS but that is not today. One battle at a time brother. We will cross those roads when we get to them.
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 03:53:09
October 21 2014 02:00 GMT
#5057
Lots of news, so it'll be in spoilers.

MAJOR ISIS OFFENSIVE in far north Iraq, but doesn't make much progress (see spoiler):
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(CNN) -- ISIS militants launched about 15 near-simultaneous attacks on Kurdish forces in northern Iraq on Monday in what Kurdish government officials and the news agency Rudaw said was a fierce and renewed push for territory.

ISIS also launched attacks against Mosul Dam, a strategic prize, and also renewed its offensive on the Sinjar mountain range in northern Iraq.

An ISIS-commandeered military truck loaded with explosives targeted a Peshmerga checkpoint along the security belt circling the dam, killing six security force members and injuring seven others critically, according to Peshmerga spokesman Said Mamazeen.

At almost the same time, ISIS militants launched an attack on the Nineveh Valley near the dam, which was repelled by Peshmerga forces using European and American weapons, the spokesman said.

Another Kurdish military official, who asked not to be named for protocol and security reasons, said that despite the attacks, it would be difficult for ISIS to gain control of the dam because of the large numbers of Peshmerga forces in the area.

Attacks in Sinjar mountain range
A senior official at the Ministry of Peshmerga, who similarly asked not to be identified as a matter of government protocol, reported that ISIS fighters were also killed in the attacks, and that the Peshmerga successfully repelled most of the more than dozen incidents Monday.

ISIS fighters launched attacks on several areas of the Sinjar mountain range Monday, including the village of Sharaf ad-Din, which holds one of the most important shrines for the Yazidi community, Hazhar Ismail, brigadier general at the Ministry of Peshmerga, told CNN.

"ISIS failed in their attempt to control the village of Sharaf ad-Din after Peshmerga forces repelled the attack and managed to kill a number of ISIS militants," Ismail told CNN.

ISIS fighters managed to seize two villages in an area close to Sharaf ad-Din, but these villages were unpopulated as a result of ISIS attacks in August, Ismail said.

Ismail said he expected coalition airstrikes against those villages in the near future.

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Also related: Peshmerga Forces Defeat IS on Three Front-lines in Northern Iraq


Major suicide bombings in Karbala, Iraq. Suicide bombing also killed 15 peshmerga near the Mosul Dam.
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Five car bombings in the revered Iraqi city of Karbala have killed at least 15 people, Iraqi official have said.

A police officer said on Monday that the explosives-laden cars were parked in commercial areas and parking lots near government offices. He said 48 others were wounded in the explosions.

Karbala is home to two of the most sacred Shia shrines and is located about 90km south of the capital city of Baghdad.

src


Yesterday, Iraqi forces declared an operation to clear out the road between Tikrit and Baiji. Apparently, they are making progress.
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Salah-il-Din (IraqiNews.com) The Iraqi Army Forces controlled the village of Hajaj within Beiji district (22 km) to the north of Tikrit city.

Security source reported to IraqiNews.com “The IA forces controlled the Hajaj village after defeating and killing the elements of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant and liberating the house of the Minister of Provinces Affairs and former Governor of Salah-il-Din province (Ahmed al-Jubouri).”

“The IA put down the flag of the ISIL and raised the Iraqi flag above the village,” the source added.

“The ISIL elements fled through the river into Albu Ali village close to Hajaj village,” the source concluded.

src


There's been lots of fighting going on near Tikrit, but now Iraqi forces have blockaded the city in an effort to liberate the parts under ISIS control.
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Salahudidn (IraqiNews.com) On Monday, a security source in Salahuddin province said that the Iraqi Army forces are now blockading the city of Tikrit, and violent clashes have begun in the western areas.

The source informed IraqiNews that “Iraqi Army has blockaded the city of Tikrit and took over north, west and south main roads that lead to the city. Heavy clashes between the ISIS militants in the city and Iraqi forces have begun in the western areas, and ISIS has only one way to withdraw which is from Al-Alam area on the eastern side of the city.”

“The violent clashes between ISIS militants and Iraqi forces accompanied by tribal fighters are currently taking place at Abu Abid and Al-Dayoom villages, located in western Tikrit” he said.

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Iraqi forces make gains north of Baghdad.
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The Iraqi army says it has liberated several areas in the north of the war-torn country from the ISIL Takfiri militants, inflicting heavy losses on the insurgents.

"The military operations, which began on Friday, have succeeded in their first phase in liberating some areas," Khaled al-Khazraji, a senior army commander in the northern Salahuddin Province, said on Sunday.

Reports say Iraqi military forces secured a route between the northern cities of Tikrit and Baiji during an operation, which left dozens of terrorists dead.

They also conducted a military operation in Diyala province, killing a large number of ISIL terrorists there.

Khazraji went on to say that the operations “will continue to liberate other areas and cut the supply routes for the terrorist ISIL gangs."

src


70 ISIS bodies reported to be deposited at the hospital in Tal Abyad, in northern Syria on the Turkish border.
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(CNN) -- ISIS has apparently taken a heavy hit over the past several days. The bodies of at least 70 fighters for the terror group have been dropped off over four days at a hospital in the Syrian town of Tal Abyad, a Syrian opposition group told CNN. Tal Abyad is on the Turkish border and about 80 kilometers (50 miles) from Raqqa.

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria took control of Raqqa last year. ISIS uses the once-liberal city as a kind of headquarters where it applies its hardline interpretation of Islamic law, terrorizing the population.

Kurdish and Iraqi forces have been battling ISIS on the ground. With the help of airstrikes from an international coalition led by the United States, the foot soldiers are now focused on pushing ISIS back from its relentless attempt to take Kobani, a Kurdish town on the Syrian-Turkish border.

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Iraqi PM is in Tehran to discuss the fight against ISIS;
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Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi arrived in Tehran late Monday on his first visit to Iran since taking office after the crisis triggered by the advance of Islamic State militants.

Iraqi state television said Abadi, whose country remains beset by IS, arrived shortly before midnight for talks with Iranian officials including President Hassan Rouhani about the ongoing battle, which has drawn in US and other international air strikes.

IS fighters hold towns just a few miles (kilometres) from the Iranian border, and the Islamic republic has been reported by senior Kurdish officials to have deployed troops inside Iraq.

Abadi's visit is all the more important given his surprise elevation to the premiership after the removal in August of Nuri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister whom Iran had resolutely backed since 2006 until this summer's cataclysmic events.
Maliki's armed forces failed in the face of a lightning surge by IS fighters into Iraq from Syria, eventually resulting in him stepping down from the top job after Iran publicly endorsed Abadi's candidature as premier.

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Iraq arms tribal militias fighting ISIS
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Iraq has begun arming tribes battling the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) in four provinces, the Ministry of Defence said Monday (October 20th).

"The ministry has started arming 40 tribes in Diyala, Anbar, Kirkuk and Salaheddine provinces so they can defend themselves against ISIL attacks, prevent ISIL terrorists from capturing their areas, and bolster the war on terror as these tribes support army and police operations," said Maj. Gen. Ahmed al-Hamdani, the ministry's tribal affairs advisor.

The tribes' confrontation of ISIL proves the falsehood of the group's claims regarding conditions in areas under its control, he said.

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US to send $600 million in tank rounds to Iraq.
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Washington is preparing to send the Iraqi military 46,000 rounds for its fleet of M1A1 Abrams tanks in a $600 million foreign weapons sale, the latest indication that Baghdad is preparing for a new military campaign to take back turf it lost to the Islamic State militant group.

The State Department said the deal will “advance Iraq’s efforts to develop an integrated ground defense capability to support a strong national defense.” The announcement comes as the Iraqi government struggles with how to take back Mosul, its second most populous city, and broad swaths of western Anbar province from the militants.

The government in Baghdad requested four different kinds of 120mm rounds, which are used in the tank’s main gun. Most will be variations of the Pentagon’s high-explosive anti-tank munitions, or HEAT rounds. They’re built to penetrate the armor of other vehicles and tanks, and can hit a target a mile away. Militants have captured both armored personnel carriers and tanks from Iraqi government forces this year, and are using them to maintain control of territory they have seized.

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Russia pledges continued support for Iraq and Syria:
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MOSCOW, October 20. /TASS/. Russia is supporting the governments of Iraq, Syria and other Middle East states in their fight against terrorism, including by supplying weapons to them, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Monday.

“We also back these governments by massive supplies of weapons and military equipment and effectively enhancing their combat capacity,” Lavrov said during an open lecture on Russia’s foreign policy in Moscow.

Lavrov said the situation in Iraq, where the US forces have been deployed for over 10 years, shows that the “concept of artificially imposing recipes of state forms of government and social and economic development is absurd.”

“Today this country, which is our friend, and which Americans planned to turn into an example of modernization or democratic role model for all the other Arab nations, is struggling against the deepest foreign policy crisis which is threatening the existence of Iraq as a single state,” Lavrov said.

Lavrov also stressed that Iran and Syria are allies in combating terrorism.

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On October 21 2014 08:22 AssyrianKing wrote:
@judiciatorhammurabi, I'm pipogevy (got name change)

I think the biggest fault of the Iraqi government was breaking the trust of it's citizens, many in the Assyrian community are either leaving the country because of loss of faith that Iraq will treat them equal, or they are forming their own militia because of distrust between them and the both the government & the Kurds

Yes, the early US policies and then Maliki have been enormously successful in losing the trust of Iraq's people and turning it sectarian.

And yes, most of the Christians have left since '03. Most were already gone even before the 2014 ISIS invasion. Maybe all the Armenians are gone from Iraq and most of the Assyrians and their various churches are gone. I do not blame them for mistrusting the Iraqi government and others. They have been abandoned since 2003, and yet they are among the only people in Iraq who aren't killing and murdering people or causing other types of trouble, along with Shabaks and Yazidis and Turkomen. This cannot be said about the Arabs and Kurds.

Abadi is an enormous improvement on Maliki (probably the most useless leader in the last century of Mideastern history), but I think the situation for non-Islamic religious minorities has been beyond-repair since 2003.

As you may know, Christians used to be quite esteemed in Iraq, but this was when there was a strictly secular and anti-Islamist government. I know wealthy and well-educated people from Iraq who never felt they were treated unfairly from what they tell me, even in the big cities of Baghdad and Mosul. Even people who had a recent ancestor that were given the title and name of sheikh, something usually reserved for Arab Muslims. It's interesting in a very grim manner to see how things have radically changed in the last decade.

Even Saddam was a huge patron of the Assyrians, and also donated tons of money to the Assyrian communities over in America. Churches and communities were built with that money.

But honestly, maybe in the future, maybe near future, Iraq will become a prosperous and booming and stable country again, but I think in the meantime, it is not a bad decision for the Assyrians to leave for places where less than 1% of people are crazy. I think the Jews who left Iraq in the early 1950s due to the Denaturalization Act, the king's fears, and the Zionist terrorist attacks against the Jews in Baghdad, are much happier they are not in today's Iraq. It is similar for the 100,000s of Assyrians who now live in Europe and America and Australia.

Source: I know shittons of Iraqis.
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
October 21 2014 02:54 GMT
#5058
On October 21 2014 10:47 iMOOrtal wrote:
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On October 21 2014 10:34 pls no ty wrote:
On October 21 2014 03:56 iMOOrtal wrote:
On October 21 2014 00:07 Laserist wrote:
On October 20 2014 23:35 xM(Z wrote:
the general feeling/impression is that Turkey doesn't want Kobane kurds to be helped.


Concern is, giving weapons to Kurdish fighters may(probably) lead to a point where those same weapons used against Turkey in the future since there is an on going war for 30 years between PKK(still recognized as Terrorists) & Turkey.
It is not about being evil against Kurdish people.


Outcome1: Kurds defeat ISIS, Kurds don't attack Turkey. (Turkey doesn't have to do anything)
Outcome2: Kurds defeat ISIS, attack Turkey (Turkey has to fight)
Outcome3: Kurds are defeated and ISIS attacks Turkey eventually (Turks has to fight)
Outcome4: Kurds are defeated and ISIS takes over all of Syria (Looks like NATO is rolling in, GG ISIS, oh and Turkey has to fight)

Anyone else feel the same way or am I just crazy?


Nice saying, but probability of outcome 2 is not acceptable in our turkish public. Pkk was doing very well with their previous guns, mines and tech. Mistakenly (or somehow) upgraded PKK with better guns, more ammo, simply will end up with a lot of civilian and soldier killing, lasting maybe 30 more years, and even if they kill soldiers, you cant really say they are freedom fighters against Turkey, like they are against ISIS, title will be "Nato Ally was hit by soonly armed PKK". You can still blame Turkey with its kurdish violating past and maybe think like "The snake that doesn't touch me can live a thousand years " but somehow, there is no guarantee that PKK will be a good ally to west, or at least stay neutral, and of course, -nobody cares about what Turks really care (maybe USA) - you should care and listen 50 million turks before deciding on something strongly related with them and their future concerning deaths, borders, neighbors etc. IF YOU ARE REALLY SEEKING FOR PEACE.

Turkey was able to do offensive operations to seek & destroy PKK inside Iraq, Northern Iraq and central were not backing up PKK in those good old times, now, Turkey can face a strong army while trying to respond. (Combined 3 kurdish armies)

I know the word "terrorist" is dumb and most of the times, states are the greatest terrorizing structures, but its still a matter of trust. Prove us that you are not terrorist anymore, you can even hold a nuke in your pocket, i dont care. But if you try to make an uprising like previous one *ending with turkish jets bombing border and kurdish leaders sheathe swords*, if you still try to liberate 5 provinces and threaten Turkey with revolution, no, no, no. Its been a long time since Turkey actually stopped trying to convert Kurdish people to Turkish or destroy them.

Meh, i wish i could share you some long turkish leaked videos about Kurdish leaders and Turkish generals, that would be gamechanging and %100 would change your perspective about both Syria - Turkey.


I wish you could share that as well then? But since you can't or choose not to, I guess I will go on thinking that if someone is going to fight ISIS on the ground, it might as well be the Iraqi's and the Kurds and whatever FSA units are able to while still fighting the gov in Syria, and not us NATO bro's until we have to or are forced to. It's not like I'm saying that if the Kurds turn on you don't fight them, obviously no one would advocate that. But someone has to fight with their feet against IS and it doesn't look like its going to be the Turks, and it doesn't look like its going to be the west. Next best option, arm the only people who are actually putting up a fight against them, then deal with the consequences after it's over. There's no reason why the Turks should have to fight until they are threatened, so it might as well be the guys you hate. I'm just saying give them some guns so they can kill the barbarians, then we can sort it out after. It's not like what we give them would stop us from carpet bombing them back into the stone age anyway, right? I'm just hoping, and assuming, we won't have to do that. Maybe if we showed the Kurds some trust they would return it. Maybe they will attack you after they fight ISIS but that is not today. One battle at a time brother. We will cross those roads when we get to them.


Agreed.

I wont believe Germany, France and some other EU countries will cross those roads ever, but i trust USA and its allies, they did provide great assist to Turkey in the last 10 years of PKK terror.

Those videos are related to PKK leader and its plans for todays Turkey with Turkish generals, mostly based on how Pkk and Turkey will be re/united against neighbors even if they wont seem to be. Sadly, they are in Turkish and i dont have time to translate, but i may give it a try, later on.


pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 03:05:47
October 21 2014 03:02 GMT
#5059
Whenever i read that term "TURKMEN" in our and world media, it feels so empty.

Ottomans invaded and converted some Iraqi places, sent there turkish citizens, Ottoman Empire is perished, they became Turkmen, Anatolian Turks stood Turkish.. This makes my country care less about them, while we stupidly arm other turkic armies.

Have a look at it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmens
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Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 21 2014 03:18 GMT
#5060
Syrian Rebels with new weapons and armor:



ISIS has launched a large offensive around on Sinjar:

At 3 am ISIS terrorists launched today one of the most massive large-scale offensives on Sinjar since the takeover of that region. Commanders of Ezidi militias tell ezidiPress that hundreds of fighters are surrounded in Borik, Duhola and at the pilgrimage site of Sharfadeen. From all sides the terrorists attack again the region with a massive contingent of fighters, succeeding in surrounding several Ezidi localities.

The terrorists have advanced with more than 40 armoured Humvee vehicles alone to the village complex of Duhola and managed to surround around 100 Ezidi resistance fighters located there. All civilians have fled to the mountain. Commanders of the resistance units are currently trying to defend the pilgrimage site, Supreme Commander Haydar Shesho and General Qasim Shesho refuse to give up the Ezidis´ holy shrine.


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