EPTtldr: Kurds fucked over the Yizidis by promising to stay and fight for them which in turn caused the Yizidis to stay in their home villages. The Kurds wanted them to stay so they had more say in the provincial government but when ISIS fighters got close the Kurds cut and ran without telling the Yizidis who expected protection. Which just goes to show, everyone in the middle east is a giant asshole. Once the US finishes killing the ISIS assholes it should leave the entire region.
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Sub40APM
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tldr: Kurds fucked over the Yizidis by promising to stay and fight for them which in turn caused the Yizidis to stay in their home villages. The Kurds wanted them to stay so they had more say in the provincial government but when ISIS fighters got close the Kurds cut and ran without telling the Yizidis who expected protection. Which just goes to show, everyone in the middle east is a giant asshole. Once the US finishes killing the ISIS assholes it should leave the entire region. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On August 18 2014 13:47 Sub40APM wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/17/how-the-u-s-favored-kurds-abandoned-the-yazidis-when-isis-attacked.html tldr: Kurds fucked over the Yizidis by promising to stay and fight for them which in turn caused the Yizidis to stay in their home villages. The Kurds wanted them to stay so they had more say in the provincial government but when ISIS fighters got close the Kurds cut and ran without telling the Yizidis who expected protection. Which just goes to show, everyone in the middle east is a giant asshole. Once the US finishes killing the ISIS assholes it should leave the entire region. I think you're overlooking the fact that the Kurds were completely outgunned by the ISIS- 50-year-old soviet junk which is all the Kurds have left vs state-of-the-art US equipment that the Iraqi army gifted the ISIS. This is the whole reason they've been begging the west for military aid. If it wasn't for the Kurds tens of thousands of Yizidis would still be stuck on mountaintops dying of dehydration. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Sub40APM
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On August 18 2014 21:43 tomatriedes wrote: I think you're overlooking the fact that the Kurds were completely outgunned by the ISIS- 50-year-old soviet junk which is all the Kurds have left vs state-of-the-art US equipment that the Iraqi army gifted the ISIS. This is the whole reason they've been begging the west for military aid. If it wasn't for the Kurds tens of thousands of Yizidis would still be stuck on mountaintops dying of dehydration. 50 year old soviet tanks will fuck up a humwee. The US has so far reported that they have struck 0 US tanks, which means all that ISIS had to chase away the mighty Kurds was humwees and APCs, which again, get fucked up by even World War 2 tanks. This is what it really looks like. Kurds used ISIS to galvanize world opinion further by letting ISIS slaughter the most vulnerable and least politically threatening people and American armed strikes, allowing the Kurds to preserve their troops for what they believe will be an inevitable confrontation with the Shiites in Baghdad. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 18 2014 21:43 tomatriedes wrote: I think you're overlooking the fact that the Kurds were completely outgunned by the ISIS- 50-year-old soviet junk which is all the Kurds have left vs state-of-the-art US equipment that the Iraqi army gifted the ISIS. This is the whole reason they've been begging the west for military aid. If it wasn't for the Kurds tens of thousands of Yizidis would still be stuck on mountaintops dying of dehydration. It is not coincidence that the Kurds were only "unable" to hold Yazidi, Assyrian and Shia areas. And ISIS is not that much better equipped than Kurds. Those few Humvees are not gamechanging. Kurds also have much bigger numbers than ISIS in the region, maybe about 10 times as many. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Kurdish leaders say their Peshmerga forces have taken control of the Mosul dam from the Islamic State group, after days of fighting aided by rounds of air strikes from US jets and drones. Qubad Talabani, the deputy prime minister of the Kurdish regional government, told Al Jazeera on Monday evening that the operation to recapture Iraq's largest dam was "almost complete". "Most of the dam is now in the hands of the Kurdish forces, with the Iraqi forces, and they are clearing some of those areas, making sure there are no planted bombs," he said. "It has been a difficult, but successful operation so far." A Kurdish presidential adviser, who asked not to be named, also told Al Jazeera that Peshmerga forces were now setting up defences around the dam to strengthen their position. Source | ||
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Sent.
Poland9335 Posts
On August 19 2014 03:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/OmarJerbi/status/501102629280559104 How do you spy on Arabs as a Japanese man? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
Probably not a spy, but an idiot that seeked "adventure" and fought alongside FSA. Or rather just a battlefield tourist after watching his video. Then ISIS captured him in Aleppo and that was it. http://www.ibtimes.co.in/how-did-japanese-national-haruna-yukawa-end-isis-militants-video-607067 | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On August 18 2014 21:43 tomatriedes wrote: I think you're overlooking the fact that the Kurds were completely outgunned by the ISIS- 50-year-old soviet junk which is all the Kurds have left vs state-of-the-art US equipment that the Iraqi army gifted the ISIS. This is the whole reason they've been begging the west for military aid. If it wasn't for the Kurds tens of thousands of Yizidis would still be stuck on mountaintops dying of dehydration. I saw this post and yeah what you said was not true, but Sub40APM and Redox pretty much summed up what I had to say. Yes, the Kurds, despite overwhelming in numbers and force against ISIS' infantry-based ragtag baboon squad, were suffering defeat after defeat, only making any headway with the introduction of renewed standard Iraqi military involvement and US air strikes. Most importantly, the Mosul Dam has been recaptured. And yes, I mostly agree with Sub40APM's comment about preserving their fighting forces and leaving religious minorities and Arabs to die. The Kurds are politically-motivated extremists, so this comes as no surprise. At the same time, it seemed like the previous Iraqi administration was letting ISIS and Peshmerga duke it out to exhaust each other, which is royally dickish as well. However, with that said, with a new administration, Iraqi forces appear to be making good headway against ISIS, unlike Al-Maliki, who seemingly deliberately retreated forces to consolidate his own power. This is a good sign, but is the norm in the country's history. Maliki was a weird exception. Only a traitor would not throw all his effort into fighting against an invading force, instead of doing the opposite and causing catastrophe. On August 18 2014 13:47 Sub40APM wrote: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/17/how-the-u-s-favored-kurds-abandoned-the-yazidis-when-isis-attacked.html tldr: Kurds fucked over the Yizidis by promising to stay and fight for them which in turn caused the Yizidis to stay in their home villages. The Kurds wanted them to stay so they had more say in the provincial government but when ISIS fighters got close the Kurds cut and ran without telling the Yizidis who expected protection. Which just goes to show, everyone in the middle east is a giant asshole. Once the US finishes killing the ISIS assholes it should leave the entire region. Just a little fun fact many people may not know, the Yazidis are culturally Kurdish. Just not Muslim religiously-speaking  . Despite the media pity and whatever, the Kurds are by no means heroes of any kind and despite being heavily ethnically-motivated, yes, they will forsake their own culture group because those specific ones happen to be of a different religion. To keep from posting a huge wall of text, I'll just say they're hardly the knights in shining armor. Quite closer to the contrary, really. Traditionally, following the monarchy, religious minorities (non-Muslims) were generally much protected by the Iraqi government, whether in regular Iraqi cities or in ethnic towns. With the Baath gone, obviously everything decent kinda went to shit except the removal of embargo, and it explains why we have statistics like the liquidation of 80% of Iraq's Christian population in the last decade. However, one would think preserving national security and integrity would be enough of a motivation. Not for Maliki obviously. Barzani is a real fanatic, and I think he's pushing for a fight with Baghdad, which is a frightening prospect to consider. But the simple, tribalistic society and system of the Kurds doesn't stand much of a chance against a (now) consolidated, effective force on strong terms with the USA, Russia and other European nations, other Arab republics, India, and God knows where else in Asia and Latin America. One would think Kurdish fanatics would have realized it wasn't a good idea during the Iran-Iraq War. But quite honestly, the internal divisions of Kurdish politics and society would probably fracture before a military effort would. Seriously I don't know what Barzani's deal is, but I have the feeling he's up to no good. On August 18 2014 17:53 PiPoGevy wrote: Why aren't the other middle eastern countries making a noise, besides Iran this is bullshit! Because the Gulf Arabs support Islamic terrorism, Syria is too mired, Israel hates everyone, Turkey hates everyone, Lebanon is too small, and the North African states are either beat down by regimes led by Islamic terrorists (see Libya) or dealing with too many issues. And Iran? Their only concern is the threat ISIS poses to Karbala and Najaf, the two Shiite holy cities. Yes, the IRI has extreme religious motivations. Most of the Islamic Republic of Iran's interest in "taking over" Iraq over the past 35 years has been because of this, since Khomeini took power. You do not even know how important these two cities are to Shiite radicals, especially in Iran. The loss of their #1 stooge Maliki is a very heavy blow to their influence and terrorism in Iraq, fortunately. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On August 19 2014 11:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Because the Gulf Arabs support Islamic terrorism, Syria is too mired, Israel hates everyone, Turkey hates everyone, Lebanon is too small, and the North African states are either beat down by regimes led by Islamic terrorists (see Libya) or dealing with too many issues. And Iran? Their only concern is the threat ISIS poses to Karbala and Najaf, the two Shiite holy cities. Yes, the IRI has extreme religious motivations. Most of the Islamic Republic of Iran's interest in "taking over" Iraq over the past 35 years has been because of this, since Khomeini took power. You do not even know how important these two cities are to Shiite radicals, especially in Iran. The loss of their #1 stooge Maliki is a very heavy blow to their influence and terrorism in Iraq, fortunately. And still accept all the war immigrants without any question. More than 1.5 million(est.) of Syrian immigrants were accepted to Turkey during the war and we still open gates to any other minorities/majorities come from Syria and Iraq. I appreciate if you state why you think Turkey hates everyone? Turkey has some issues with the condition. 1 - Unfortunately ruler party is not putting a strong attitude against ISIS for religious(Sunni) reasons(a huge, I mean huge of the population is strongly against ISIS already) 2 - Turkey's overall problems with the separatist Kurds stationed in North Iraq currently fighting with ISIS. 3 - Turkey is dealing with the immigration problems and Turkey's overall tendency of not intervening to Syria/Iraq issues with military power(as it should). 4 - Turkey already had a diplomat crisis with ISIS. When you don't hear a noise, it doesn't mean that no one doing anything. As I said before in this thread, people sometimes throw baseless ideas around. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On August 19 2014 11:33 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Because the Gulf Arabs support Islamic terrorism, Syria is too mired, Israel hates everyone, Turkey hates everyone, Lebanon is too small, and the North African states are either beat down by regimes led by Islamic terrorists (see Libya) or dealing with too many issues. And Iran? Their only concern is the threat ISIS poses to Karbala and Najaf, the two Shiite holy cities. Yes, the IRI has extreme religious motivations. Most of the Islamic Republic of Iran's interest in "taking over" Iraq over the past 35 years has been because of this, since Khomeini took power. You do not even know how important these two cities are to Shiite radicals, especially in Iran. The loss of their #1 stooge Maliki is a very heavy blow to their influence and terrorism in Iraq, fortunately. Syria is too mired, Israel hates everyone. There is some wiggleroom for specific deviations but I am with you so far. Turkey has specific problems with all sides. Erdogan has run on religion (sunni) and nationalism (Turkish) in his presidential campaign. He would have to walk a fine line in terms of ISIS since they are sunni and he seems completely incapable of being that non-divisive and diplomatic. Also Kurds in Turkey and that history is threatening his nationalism of Turkey for turks. Lebanon is a hornets nest of secterianism and targeted murders along with suicide bombers and that whole shebang. The officials have been surprisingly clear in their disapproval of ISIS. The imams on the other hand... Northern africa don't care enough. While several of them are pretty much dictatorships (they are indeed sunnis but not necessarily interested in having ISIS inspire or the opposite) there are other issues closer to them that they care more about. Most of them don't have as vested interests in the middle east as the western countries. They may also actually care about the wars and sectarian conflicts in Africa we hear nothing about in the west! | ||
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Thor.Rush
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unkkz
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Source in norwegian: http://nrk.no/verden/_-amerikansk-journalist-drepen-1.11888251 | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 20 2014 07:07 unkkz wrote: Reports coming in that IS have decapitated american journalist James Foley and there's a video of it floating around with the title "A message to America". They are also holding american journalist Steven Sotloff captive, threatening to kill him if the airstrikes do not stop. Source in norwegian: http://nrk.no/verden/_-amerikansk-journalist-drepen-1.11888251 Silly ISIS, they thought they were building a state and now they will all die in fire. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 20 2014 07:07 unkkz wrote: Reports coming in that IS have decapitated american journalist James Foley and there's a video of it floating around with the title "A message to America". They are also holding american journalist Steven Sotloff captive, threatening to kill him if the airstrikes do not stop. Source in norwegian: http://nrk.no/verden/_-amerikansk-journalist-drepen-1.11888251 I have a feeling this won't get the reaction ISIS was hoping for. B2s are probably fueling now. | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
something has to be done and another invasion will be as ineffective as the first, but many more innocent people will die, even if we do nothing. | ||
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