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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
TheRealArtemis
Profile Joined October 2011
687 Posts
August 13 2014 18:46 GMT
#4161
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Dont even know what to think anymore, its all a big joke.
religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2014 19:08 GMT
#4162
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-13 19:56:54
August 13 2014 19:50 GMT
#4163
On August 14 2014 02:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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France will send weapons to Kurdish forces in Iraq to support their fight against the Islamic State, President François Hollande’s office said Wednesday. The announcement came as the United States said 130 Marines and special operations forces were sent to the Sinjar area and a defiant Nouri al-Maliki continued to rebuff calls for him to step down after eight years as prime minister.

"To meet the urgent needs expressed by the regional authorities in Kurdistan, the head of state has decided, in agreement with Baghdad, to deliver weapons in the coming hours," Hollande's office said in a news release. "France intends to play an active role by providing, along with its partners and in liaison with the new Iraqi authorities, all the assistance required."

Paris has already provided 18 tons of humanitarian aid to the semiautonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, and a new shipment of 20 tons was due to arrive on Wednesday.


Source

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Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria have taken control of several towns in the northern province of Aleppo, according to reports from activists.

The group seized the town of Akhtarin, 50km (30 miles) northeast of Aleppo city, where Syrian rebels are holed up.

The BBC's Rami Ruhayem says that if confirmed, it would be a significant expansion for IS fighters.


Source

Kurdish fighters are worthless these days. This is going to require intervention.

ISIS puts into perspective how silly it has been to fued with Iran the past 5 years. The main appeal of it is that Iran is a classical country with a classical army so it's easily identifiable. It has nothing to do with its overall threat or the crimes it has committed. It's just the enemy that old hawks know how to look for.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2014 19:52 GMT
#4164
On August 14 2014 04:50 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2014 02:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
France will send weapons to Kurdish forces in Iraq to support their fight against the Islamic State, President François Hollande’s office said Wednesday. The announcement came as the United States said 130 Marines and special operations forces were sent to the Sinjar area and a defiant Nouri al-Maliki continued to rebuff calls for him to step down after eight years as prime minister.

"To meet the urgent needs expressed by the regional authorities in Kurdistan, the head of state has decided, in agreement with Baghdad, to deliver weapons in the coming hours," Hollande's office said in a news release. "France intends to play an active role by providing, along with its partners and in liaison with the new Iraqi authorities, all the assistance required."

Paris has already provided 18 tons of humanitarian aid to the semiautonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, and a new shipment of 20 tons was due to arrive on Wednesday.


Source

Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria have taken control of several towns in the northern province of Aleppo, according to reports from activists.

The group seized the town of Akhtarin, 50km (30 miles) northeast of Aleppo city, where Syrian rebels are holed up.

The BBC's Rami Ruhayem says that if confirmed, it would be a significant expansion for IS fighters.


Source

Kurdish fighters are worthless these days. This is going to require intervention.



Ask and you shall receive:

More than 100 US marines and special forces landed on Mount Sinjar in Iraq on Wednesday to organise an escape route for 30,000 Yazidi civilians threatened by Islamic extremists and worn down by hunger and thirst.

The force flew in on V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft that can land vertically. They joined a small number of American special forces soldiers who have been on the mountain for some days, assessing the military and humanitarian situation and guiding US air strikes against Islamic State (Isis) fighters encircling the mountain.

A handful of British SAS soldiers are also in the area to “gather intelligence” a British official said.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 14 2014 02:34 GMT
#4165
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 14 2014 08:01 GMT
#4166
nice new article about how divided and weak the Kurds really are. So all the Kurd hype is media hype again. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119073/kurdistan-peshmerga-army-isnt-unified-fearsome-opponent-isis
Since 2003, when Iraqi Kurdistan was deemed the "success story" of the war, the region has been propped up as an example of the U.S.’s good intentions by those trying to rationalize military force, particularly conservative American policy makers. This has largely crafted the region's image. Because Kurdistan was doing so well relative to the rest of Iraq, it was mostly spared scrutiny from watchdog groups and journalists, who often romanticize the region, obscuring its failings and depriving large populations of alienated Kurds a role in shaping Kurdistan's future by criticizing the present.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 14 2014 08:32 GMT
#4167
You can bomb them but you still need boots on the ground to clear things out, there is always the CIA.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15330 Posts
August 14 2014 08:42 GMT
#4168
On August 14 2014 17:01 Sub40APM wrote:
nice new article about how divided and weak the Kurds really are. So all the Kurd hype is media hype again. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119073/kurdistan-peshmerga-army-isnt-unified-fearsome-opponent-isis
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Since 2003, when Iraqi Kurdistan was deemed the "success story" of the war, the region has been propped up as an example of the U.S.’s good intentions by those trying to rationalize military force, particularly conservative American policy makers. This has largely crafted the region's image. Because Kurdistan was doing so well relative to the rest of Iraq, it was mostly spared scrutiny from watchdog groups and journalists, who often romanticize the region, obscuring its failings and depriving large populations of alienated Kurds a role in shaping Kurdistan's future by criticizing the present.

It's pretty much like someone else in this thread said. While they look great compared to the mess around them, the Kurds are not the region's second Israel, they are more like the region's Albania.
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
August 14 2014 12:46 GMT
#4169
Turkey is a joke, they can't even stop ISIS crossing their own borders, it almost appears they are letting them come and go as they please
John 15:13
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5281 Posts
August 14 2014 14:30 GMT
#4170
well Turkey backed Al-Nustra from the beginning but since they went over to IS, the alliances became unclear.
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morse
Profile Joined August 2014
1 Post
August 14 2014 16:34 GMT
#4171
People seem to forget that Turkey along with Jordan allowed the CIA and Israeli Mossad to train and fund all these Islamic fighters. In fact, if you do your research you will find that the CIA has advisers and hired mercenaries from all different countries fighting along side these Islamic terrorist, including a former Chechnya rebel who fought in the Georgian conflict. Then there were early reports a year ago about the Department of Defense buying up tons of 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition and look what guns they're using, AK-47 AND M4/M16 assault rifles, thanks Uncle Sam. Whats worse is that people seems to not realize each side of this conflict are playing into each other, two sides of the same coin. ISIS is a group built by the CIA to destroy Saudi Arabia and Iran so when the time comes Israel can bomb the shit out of the rest of the region and secure resources/territory along with U.S. As we have seen in the past weeks Israel has no problem killing innocent people, no problem using chemical weapons and ignoring the rest of the worlds pleas.

I might want to add too since no one again on here even seems to bring it up but Israel does NOT represent Judaism and it is NOT A JEWISH STATE. Israel is a Zionist state created by American and European powers. The current Israeli regime along with the current government in The United States is also Zionist. Zionist use the ignorance of humans on subjects like religion to exploit differences between people and ultimately leads to war. The current Israel governemnt is hiding behind Judaism as an excuse. Religion is just being exploited once again. People in America today are just willfully ignorant that their own government is undermining the world, always have been. If you actually do your reading and research you will find out the CIA and Mossad have been very successful in assassinating world leaders since the 1950s. Its nothing new and people need to WAKE UP.

I recommend this documentary especially on the CIA using American Corporations as fronts for doing their dirty work titled "Confessions of an Economic HItman"



Please if you have time read these links related the CIA creation of ISIS

http://moroccantimes.com/2014/07/nsa-documents-reveal-isis-leaderabu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-israeli-mossad/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi-to-al-bagdahdi-the-islamic-state-is-a-cia-mossad-mi6-intelligence-asset/5391731

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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 14 2014 16:41 GMT
#4172
On August 14 2014 23:30 xM(Z wrote:
well Turkey backed Al-Nustra from the beginning but since they went over to IS, the alliances became unclear.

Well the borders between the different are sometimes blurry, and in the beginning some of the support for the rebels probably also went to Al-Nusra. But I am pretty sure Turkey favored other groups over them. They also declared them a terrorist organisation now and arrested some of their members.
Also ISIS was a competitor to Nusra and fought them. ISIS won and recruited some of the former Nusra fighters, especially the foreign ones.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 16:47:57
August 14 2014 16:47 GMT
#4173
On August 15 2014 01:34 morse wrote:
People seem to forget that Turkey along with Jordan allowed the CIA and Israeli Mossad to train and fund all these Islamic fighters. In fact, if you do your research you will find that the CIA has advisers and hired mercenaries from all different countries fighting along side these Islamic terrorist, including a former Chechnya rebel who fought in the Georgian conflict. Then there were early reports a year ago about the Department of Defense buying up tons of 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition and look what guns they're using, AK-47 AND M4/M16 assault rifles, thanks Uncle Sam. Whats worse is that people seems to not realize each side of this conflict are playing into each other, two sides of the same coin. ISIS is a group built by the CIA to destroy Saudi Arabia and Iran so when the time comes Israel can bomb the shit out of the rest of the region and secure resources/territory along with U.S. As we have seen in the past weeks Israel has no problem killing innocent people, no problem using chemical weapons and ignoring the rest of the worlds pleas.

I might want to add too since no one again on here even seems to bring it up but Israel does NOT represent Judaism and it is NOT A JEWISH STATE. Israel is a Zionist state created by American and European powers. The current Israeli regime along with the current government in The United States is also Zionist. Zionist use the ignorance of humans on subjects like religion to exploit differences between people and ultimately leads to war. The current Israel governemnt is hiding behind Judaism as an excuse. Religion is just being exploited once again. People in America today are just willfully ignorant that their own government is undermining the world, always have been. If you actually do your reading and research you will find out the CIA and Mossad have been very successful in assassinating world leaders since the 1950s. Its nothing new and people need to WAKE UP.

I recommend this documentary especially on the CIA using American Corporations as fronts for doing their dirty work titled "Confessions of an Economic HItman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc

Please if you have time read these links related the CIA creation of ISIS

http://moroccantimes.com/2014/07/nsa-documents-reveal-isis-leaderabu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-israeli-mossad/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi-to-al-bagdahdi-the-islamic-state-is-a-cia-mossad-mi6-intelligence-asset/5391731

Lol like in every topic about middle east etc it is inevitable that the retards pop up. Take that 9/11 truther and evil juice crap elsewhere.
Off-season = best season
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 14 2014 18:52 GMT
#4174
Sooner or later infighting might develop within these factions but currently they seem quite content and loyal to Al-Baghdadi
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 14 2014 19:14 GMT
#4175
BEIRUT: Hezbollah Chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has accused Lebanese parties of continuing to support Syrian militants, highlighting Qatari and Turkish support for the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria while insisting Saudi Arabia fears ISIS.

“Lebanese parties are still sponsoring armed Syrian militants militarily and financially, [providing] guidance and [encouraging] intervention” Nasrallah said in the second installment of an interview set to be published Friday by local daily Al-Akhbar.

“Turkey and Qatar are supporting ISIS, and I am convinced that Saudi Arabia fears it,” he said.


Source

(Reuters) - Syrian government forces backed by Lebanon's Hezbollah took control of a town just outside Damascus from Islamist fighters on Thursday, a blow to the rebels who had held it for more than a year.

Syrian state television broadcast showed government soldiers in the streets of Mleiha, which lies on the edge of the eastern Ghouta region near Damascus airport and had been surrounded by President Bashar al-Assad's forces. Buildings were damaged or reduced to rubble, and tanks patrolled the streets.

Mleiha, about 7 km (4 miles) from the heart of Damascus, has formed a base for rebel fighters to bombard the capital with mortars in Syria's three-year-old civil war.

The Britain-based, pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said government warplanes attacked several areas in the town. A Syrian rebel source said government forces had taken most of Mleiha and were using planes to attack the last point of resistance. Some of the rebels pulled out to nearby villages.


Source
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radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 19:28:29
August 14 2014 19:19 GMT
#4176
On August 15 2014 01:34 morse wrote:
[... Rant...]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc

Please if you have time read these links related the CIA creation of ISIS

http://moroccantimes.com/2014/07/nsa-documents-reveal-isis-leaderabu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-israeli-mossad/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi-to-al-bagdahdi-the-islamic-state-is-a-cia-mossad-mi6-intelligence-asset/5391731

A long and pretty one-sided rant with some more than a bit questionable sources. Could you back it up without using known new world order sources like globalresearch.ca and controversial and at least partially conspiratorial people like John Perkins?

I believe that Snowden is a relatively trustworthy source and the shit CIA did and does (Torture Report anyone? Illegal domestic sourveillance activity? Just the tip of the iceberg and some of the most well-documented official scandals.) is pretty well problematic in a lot of ways regardless.

But the specific story has not been confirmed. In fact Glenn Greenwald has used twitter to respond to it, though it is a reference and very short:

+ Show Spoiler +
The answer from Ben Wizner is "hoax" for those who cannot or don't want to read it

As for his take on Saudi Arabia it is that USA is not fighting, but helping them (as has been the story line in western media forever).
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 14 2014 21:25 GMT
#4177
On August 15 2014 01:47 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 01:34 morse wrote:
People seem to forget that Turkey along with Jordan allowed the CIA and Israeli Mossad to train and fund all these Islamic fighters. In fact, if you do your research you will find that the CIA has advisers and hired mercenaries from all different countries fighting along side these Islamic terrorist, including a former Chechnya rebel who fought in the Georgian conflict. Then there were early reports a year ago about the Department of Defense buying up tons of 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition and look what guns they're using, AK-47 AND M4/M16 assault rifles, thanks Uncle Sam. Whats worse is that people seems to not realize each side of this conflict are playing into each other, two sides of the same coin. ISIS is a group built by the CIA to destroy Saudi Arabia and Iran so when the time comes Israel can bomb the shit out of the rest of the region and secure resources/territory along with U.S. As we have seen in the past weeks Israel has no problem killing innocent people, no problem using chemical weapons and ignoring the rest of the worlds pleas.

I might want to add too since no one again on here even seems to bring it up but Israel does NOT represent Judaism and it is NOT A JEWISH STATE. Israel is a Zionist state created by American and European powers. The current Israeli regime along with the current government in The United States is also Zionist. Zionist use the ignorance of humans on subjects like religion to exploit differences between people and ultimately leads to war. The current Israel governemnt is hiding behind Judaism as an excuse. Religion is just being exploited once again. People in America today are just willfully ignorant that their own government is undermining the world, always have been. If you actually do your reading and research you will find out the CIA and Mossad have been very successful in assassinating world leaders since the 1950s. Its nothing new and people need to WAKE UP.

I recommend this documentary especially on the CIA using American Corporations as fronts for doing their dirty work titled "Confessions of an Economic HItman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqIHKWd9rSc

Please if you have time read these links related the CIA creation of ISIS

http://moroccantimes.com/2014/07/nsa-documents-reveal-isis-leaderabu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-israeli-mossad/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-abu-musab-al-zarqawi-from-al-zarqawi-to-al-bagdahdi-the-islamic-state-is-a-cia-mossad-mi6-intelligence-asset/5391731

Lol like in every topic about middle east etc it is inevitable that the retards pop up. Take that 9/11 truther and evil juice crap elsewhere.


Where did he mention the 9/11 attacks ?
Yes im
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 21:31:04
August 14 2014 21:27 GMT
#4178
Heard on the radio that there are more exiled people now than after the second world war. Pretty sad.

It's not impossible that there is a link between the Mossad and ISIS. They already used djihadists to kill civilians involved in the Iranians nuclear program.
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sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 21:49:39
August 14 2014 21:49 GMT
#4179
On August 15 2014 06:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Heard on the radio that there are more exiled people now than after the second world war. Pretty sad.

It's not impossible that there is a link between the Mossad and ISIS. They already used djihadists to kill civilians involved in the Iranians nuclear program.

I want to list the possible links ISIS has:

2003-2013 iraq accuses isis of being saudi agents
2003-2013 saudi accuses isis of being iranian agents
2013-2014 syrian rebels accuse isis of being assad's agents
2013-2014 kurds accuse isis of being turkish agents
2013-2014 iraq insists isis are saudi agents
2013-2014 iran/bashar accuse isis of being american agents
2013-2014 saudi insists isis are iranian agents.


Now reports of ISIS being israeli agents. Here is a very wild wild idea. Maybe they are disenfranchised sunnis hellbent on making a Caliphate. Just a wild guess. Dont ask where I got this idea from.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 14 2014 22:00 GMT
#4180
On August 15 2014 06:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Heard on the radio that there are more exiled people now than after the second world war. Pretty sad.

It's not impossible that there is a link between the Mossad and ISIS. They already used djihadists to kill civilians involved in the Iranians nuclear program.

maybe they are french inspired, since france needed a new way to bash America and Israel while at the same time getting rid of undesirable Arab immigrants that the French hate and fear.
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