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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-14 22:17:22
August 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#4181
On August 15 2014 07:00 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 06:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Heard on the radio that there are more exiled people now than after the second world war. Pretty sad.

It's not impossible that there is a link between the Mossad and ISIS. They already used djihadists to kill civilians involved in the Iranians nuclear program.

maybe they are french inspired, since france needed a new way to bash America and Israel while at the same time getting rid of undesirable Arab immigrants that the French hate and fear.

Sure man it's about the french... Today's France is pro USA if you didn't understood. I'd never mix USA and Israel together btw.

Now do you deny that the Mossad used djihadists from the Jundallah organization to attack Iranian civilians ?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

Imo Isis work for itself, but it's not completly stupid to believe some third party provided some help or support to them believing that it could destabilize an opponent.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 15 2014 00:12 GMT
#4182
On August 15 2014 07:10 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2014 07:00 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 15 2014 06:27 WhiteDog wrote:
Heard on the radio that there are more exiled people now than after the second world war. Pretty sad.

It's not impossible that there is a link between the Mossad and ISIS. They already used djihadists to kill civilians involved in the Iranians nuclear program.

maybe they are french inspired, since france needed a new way to bash America and Israel while at the same time getting rid of undesirable Arab immigrants that the French hate and fear.

Sure man it's about the french... Today's France is pro USA if you didn't understood. I'd never mix USA and Israel together btw.

Now do you deny that the Mossad used djihadists from the Jundallah organization to attack Iranian civilians ?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/13/false_flag

Imo Isis work for itself, but it's not completly stupid to believe some third party provided some help or support to them believing that it could destabilize an opponent.

That comparison makes about as much sense as me saying that because the French secret service sank the rainbow warrior the French government was responsible for MH17. Conspiracy theories specifically thrive on these 'well its not out of the realm of ALL possibility and they did this thing that looks sort of like what is happening now if we strip out the context of the entire action'
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 05:16:26
August 15 2014 05:13 GMT
#4183
Kurdish military in Iraq calling in Syrian Kurds to help battle the IS.

edit: I guess this is one way to unite all the Kurds together, maybe.

https://news.vice.com/article/how-kurdish-militias-have-successfully-fought-off-the-islamic-state


"As the Islamic State has continued its shocking military advances throughout Syria and Iraq recently, much has been written about its seemingly unstoppable battle capabilities. But there's one force that has scored a number of successes against its forces: the Syrian Kurdish militia known as the People's Protection Units, or YPG.

Though originally linked to the Democratic Union Party (PYD), the most powerful Kurdish political party in Syria, the YPG is now seen as the armed force of all of Syrian Kurdistan. The PYD is also affiliated with the Kurdistan Worker's Party, or PKK, a group classified as terrorists by the US, the EU and Turkey, among others..."
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 15 2014 13:34 GMT
#4184
Breaking:



On Al-Jazeera America/English the spokesman is listing the demands/conditions live.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
August 15 2014 16:08 GMT
#4185
If anyone needs to explain this conflict to somebody who knows very little about it, you may use this

ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 16:26:11
August 15 2014 16:20 GMT
#4186
Mods could you reopen the Ukraine thread ? There are some important news regarding the issue:

12 Russian armored personnel carriers appear near large aid convoy parked near Ukrainian border poised to cross into rebel-held territory - @AP

Ukrainian artillery destroyed 'significant' part of a Russian armored column that crossed into Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko says in conversation with UK Prime Minister David Cameron - statement

Britain summons Russian ambassador to clarify reports of military incursion into Ukraine, foreign office says - @Reuters, @AFP

User was warned for this post
Yes im
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 17:12:49
August 15 2014 17:11 GMT
#4187
On August 16 2014 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Mods could you reopen the Ukraine thread ? There are some important news regarding the issue:

12 Russian armored personnel carriers appear near large aid convoy parked near Ukrainian border poised to cross into rebel-held territory - @AP

Ukrainian artillery destroyed 'significant' part of a Russian armored column that crossed into Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko says in conversation with UK Prime Minister David Cameron - statement

Britain summons Russian ambassador to clarify reports of military incursion into Ukraine, foreign office says - @Reuters, @AFP


At the same time Russia Today says that they were increasing security at the border , because of Ukraine forces passing it and that some western reporters have filmed them on russian soil . Also they reported that russian health aid convoy has run in to some trouble from Kiev's forces in Ukraine .

"News" nowadays is several reporting agencies posting photos or videos of something and making a story that they want you to believe , while "the truth" is hidden and ends up being what the public believes ...
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 15 2014 17:13 GMT
#4188
On August 16 2014 02:11 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Mods could you reopen the Ukraine thread ? There are some important news regarding the issue:

12 Russian armored personnel carriers appear near large aid convoy parked near Ukrainian border poised to cross into rebel-held territory - @AP

Ukrainian artillery destroyed 'significant' part of a Russian armored column that crossed into Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko says in conversation with UK Prime Minister David Cameron - statement

Britain summons Russian ambassador to clarify reports of military incursion into Ukraine, foreign office says - @Reuters, @AFP


At the same time Russia Today says that they were increasing security at the border , because of Ukraine forces passing it and that some western reporters have filmed them on russian soil . Also they reported that russian health aid convoy has run in to some trouble from Kiev's forces in Ukraine .

"News" nowadays is several reporting agencies posting photos or videos of something and making a story that they want you to believe , while "the truth" is hidden and ends up being what you yourself believe ...


And do you believe that if the ukranian forces really had crossed the russian leaders would be silent about it?
Yes im
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 15 2014 17:13 GMT
#4189
On August 16 2014 01:08 Cheerio wrote:
If anyone needs to explain this conflict to somebody who knows very little about it, you may use this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQPlREDW-Ro&list=UUsXVk37bltHxD1rDPwtNM8Q


Thanks man
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 15 2014 17:22 GMT
#4190
On August 16 2014 02:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 02:11 raga4ka wrote:
On August 16 2014 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Mods could you reopen the Ukraine thread ? There are some important news regarding the issue:

12 Russian armored personnel carriers appear near large aid convoy parked near Ukrainian border poised to cross into rebel-held territory - @AP

Ukrainian artillery destroyed 'significant' part of a Russian armored column that crossed into Ukraine, President Petro Poroshenko says in conversation with UK Prime Minister David Cameron - statement

Britain summons Russian ambassador to clarify reports of military incursion into Ukraine, foreign office says - @Reuters, @AFP


At the same time Russia Today says that they were increasing security at the border , because of Ukraine forces passing it and that some western reporters have filmed them on russian soil . Also they reported that russian health aid convoy has run in to some trouble from Kiev's forces in Ukraine .

"News" nowadays is several reporting agencies posting photos or videos of something and making a story that they want you to believe , while "the truth" is hidden and ends up being what you yourself believe ...


And do you believe that if the ukranian forces really had crossed the russian leaders would be silent about it?


No i don't believe anything at first until some more "evidence" is posted and i get a better view of the bigger picture . I am always sceptical on anything and end up forming an opinion as time goes by . I do like following news from different sources like Al Jazeera , RT , BBC ,CNN to see what their stand is . Evidence will probably leak afterwards as you read on history from a more neutral writers .
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11355 Posts
August 15 2014 17:32 GMT
#4191
This is not the Ukrainian Thread. If you want to ask regarding it, please use website feedback. Do NOT hijack this thread.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 15 2014 19:00 GMT
#4192
It seems the sunni hand of forgiveness would entail security and social administrations in the areas being raised to equal status as that of the government. That sounds like quite a decentralisation.

In the event this gets through it sounds like the locals are willing to drive out ISIS.
The beep

It is quite a messy situation:
Are the sunni leaders willing to suffer ISIS if their demands are not met? Are the sunni leaders strong enough to suppress ISIS? Will the current government sit on their hands and wait for EU and USA to arm the Kurds and bomb ISIS enough for them not to need acting?

It sounds like EU and USA are playing right into the hands of an unfortunate stalemate where the new Iraqi government do not need to actually do anything to cater to the sunni minority.
Repeat before me
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
August 15 2014 19:51 GMT
#4193
UN Security Council unanimously adopts a resolution aimed at weakening Islamic State - @BBCBreaking
Yes im
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-15 20:47:15
August 15 2014 20:33 GMT
#4194
On August 16 2014 04:51 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UN Security Council unanimously adopts a resolution aimed at weakening Islamic State - @BBCBreaking

According to Al Arabiya (english) the resolution calls for:
- A condemnation of ISIS abuses of human rights, their extreme ideology and breach of international law.
- A condemnation of people trading with ISIS or Jabhat al-nusra.
- Setting down the expert committee on al Qaeda to find out how to weaken them further within 90 days.
- A call for all member countries to suppress the flow of foreign fighters, criminally sanction them and call for immediate withdrawal for those already participating as well as taking preventive measures against potential future fighters leaving for the area.

It is not a toothless resolution by any means, but a lot hinges on the al Qaeda committees recommandations in 3 months, when the situation is quite different.
Repeat before me
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 15 2014 21:18 GMT
#4195
On August 16 2014 05:33 radiatoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2014 04:51 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UN Security Council unanimously adopts a resolution aimed at weakening Islamic State - @BBCBreaking

According to Al Arabiya (english) the resolution calls for:
- A condemnation of ISIS abuses of human rights, their extreme ideology and breach of international law.
- A condemnation of people trading with ISIS or Jabhat al-nusra.
- Setting down the expert committee on al Qaeda to find out how to weaken them further within 90 days.
- A call for all member countries to suppress the flow of foreign fighters, criminally sanction them and call for immediate withdrawal for those already participating as well as taking preventive measures against potential future fighters leaving for the area.

It is not a toothless resolution by any means, but a lot hinges on the al Qaeda committees recommandations in 3 months, when the situation is quite different.

If they want to stop ISIS they need to get Qatar and Saudi Arabian millionaires to stop giving money to terrorist charities. Which they wont because oil!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 15 2014 21:21 GMT
#4196
Reports that IS has massacred 80 Yazidis.

The European Union on Friday forged a unified response to the rapid advance of the Islamic State insurgency in Iraq and the resulting refugee crisis, allowing direct arms deliveries to Kurdish fighters battling the Sunni fighters, while several EU nations pledged more humanitarian aid.

The emergency meeting of the bloc's 28 foreign ministers in Brussels, called by France, marked a shift toward greater involvement in Iraq, following weeks during which EU governments mainly left the U.S. to dealt with the situation.

The 2003 U.S.-led Iraq invasion created a bitter rift across the EU, and the bloc has since been loath to get involved in the country. But armed fighters in Iraq and Syria who threaten to reshape the Middle East have raised the stakes by drawing Europeans to their ranks.

EU ministers pledged to step up their efforts to help those displaced by the advances of militants from the Islamic State (IS) group, with several nations announcing they will fly dozens of tons of aid to northern Iraq over the coming days.

"First of all we need to make sure that we alleviate humanitarian suffering," Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans told reporters. "Secondly, I believe we need to make sure that IS is not in a position to overrun the Kurds or to take a stronger hold on Iraq."

IS advancements have brought danger closer to European shores, with officials saying about 1,700 radical Muslims from France, Britain and Germany alone are believed to have joined them.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 16 2014 00:47 GMT
#4197


https://twitter.com/jondreporter/status/500197420945670144/photo/1

Map: Rebels 4km Away from Hama Airbase


Also there is this:

[image loading]
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
omisa
Profile Joined January 2011
United States494 Posts
August 16 2014 02:30 GMT
#4198
Wow. That photo. I just stopped and stared... Definitely worth a 1000 words.
\m/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 16 2014 17:58 GMT
#4199


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2014 16:29 GMT
#4200




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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