Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please.
Bullying is, unfortunately, taken incredibly lightly not only by schools, but by society in general and this thread is the sad reflection of that. It can do serious harm to its victim's psychological development and children are especially vulnerable to it. The fundament for your personality and later self is built exactly in that time, before you know who you are and before you have gained enough self-awareness and autonomy to be considered an adult.
I consider bullying to be the major hole and weakness in upbringing today.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
Ehm, so considering Casey's height/weight, he could probably 1hit KO that kid. You'd actually prefer him knocking him out and possibly breaking his neck on something then start kicking him? So: Body slam = possible broken neck Fists/feet = Possible broken neck + broken ribs/nose etc
That little kid did not deserve that. Dramatic time while being pulled up then thrown... A few good stabs with nice knife would work better and faster! People who are dicks don't magically grow up/start to be normal. They either change after something big,or die as dicks.
On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote: Can't believe you guys are saying that this kid took it too far. Fuck that, he just picked up the little shitbag and dumped him. Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
What happened in that video can be summed up by 3 words:
badass fucking justice
HELL YEAH, none of the good people in society ever did stupid shit while they were kids.
wtf is up with all of these people who have death wishes on kids being kids?
Kids being kids argument is fine and dandy then you have shit like Columbine happen BECAUSE of bullies. Sorry but bullying isn't as harmless as you make it out to be. Are you going to tell me that rape is just 'men being men?'
bullying is common behavior in kids, and kids who bully often turn out just fine in adulthood. and no, Columbine didn't happen because of bullies; it happened because two kids brought guns to school and opened fire on their classmates. Bullying was one of the factors that contributed to their decision, but that doesn't mean that somehow bullies are directly responsible for school shootings.
i am so bewildered right now, are you actually arguing that kids who bully deserve broken necks? what. the. fuck. that is all I have to say.
Completely wrong. Bullies don't turn out to be fine. They're the ones who fill up prisons when they grow older. People don't just grow out of this phase. The little shithead was obviously a habitual bully and this type of behavior doesn't just go away when people grow up.
Woa this thread is moving way too fast for my ocassional breaks from work.
But I wanted to add in to the argument of going with the shock and awe approach (bodyslam).
It's not very uncommon that bullies try to start a fight, usually starts with some insults, then some worse insults, and if you ignore them, they'll walk up and surround you, get really close and start making threats. If that still doesn't give them the reaction they want, they'll start pushing you, and throwing in a punch now and then. And the moment you push back or throw a punch, they'll make a scene and you now have 3+ people beating you up simultaneously until you stop moving. Or alternatively, a adult appears and breaks up the fight, and you get the blame since there's atleast 2 people saying you hit him first, and a whole bunch of people didn't see anything.
And no, didn't happen to me (they were mannered and wouldn't hit a guy with glasses), so all I had to put up with was insults and beeing completely ignored in group activities. They did sort of try to make up for it in highschool tho, they never directly apolegized, but they'd be overly friendly and look kind of ashamed for quite some time.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
I disagree with your disagreement
If you poke a bear with a stick and it attacks you is there a single person that would blame the bear for getting poked with a stick?
A more accurate assessment would be something like poking a caged bear with a stick through bars every day for several years and then doing it one more time with cage door open.
Seriously, Casey's reaction is pretty calm, considering everything.It just so happened that bully was half the size of Casey. He didn't do anything after the throw, it was a pure instinctual decision to make all that poking/jabbing and humiliation stop.This may be the changing point in both their lives.Maybe he defended himself BECAUSE he heard he was being filmed and was afraid that more people will humiliate laugh at him if video spreads. Instead we got this little confrontation instead of hearing about yet another school shooting on the news 8 years later..
I also want to point out that in the gif, Casey's shoe has fallen off and then he starts to walk away. He didn't even stop to pick it up, he just wanted to get out. So I think it's rather obvious that he had no interest in standing there and fighting anyone.
Having watched the epic slam of great justice many times, it reminds me a lot of alexander karelin, the great Greco Roman wrestler.
I have come to the conclusion that this is a promo video for the real life version of undercover nerd, an idea that comes from the Simpsons. It will probably come out this year and star Karelin in the lead role, as 'undercover Casey'.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
Ehm, so considering Casey's height/weight, he could probably 1hit KO that kid. You'd actually prefer him knocking him out and possibly breaking his neck on something then start kicking him? So: Body slam = possible broken neck Fists/feet = Possible broken neck + broken ribs/nose etc
Which one would you prefer?
Considering Casey's height/weight and movement compared to the little guy, I'd say would have to be helluva lucky to land a punch, even less likely to land kick that does more than brush against him.
On March 15 2011 04:11 deepfield1 wrote: Is this a "special school"? Why would that little kid ever pick a fight with Casey..lol.
100% deserves it. Go Casey.
I think the only reason he went and did that was because he had 3-4 bigger (presumably high school?) kids backing him up. They probably put him up to it so they wouldn't get in trouble.
the only people who allow themselves to be punched in the face and not immediately react are a) bad friggin' dude who could stare you into submission after or b) a fat loser who is used to getting picked on. I mean dude, the kid's name is casey and he's fat. He started that day in B but is now in category A
I SALUTE YOU CASEY
also why do people think that being big and/or fat = you're able to fight, let alone one punch someone lol
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
I disagree with your disagreement
If you poke a bear with a stick and it attacks you is there a single person that would blame the bear for getting poked with a stick?
A more accurate assessment would be something like poking a caged bear with a stick through bars every day for several years and then doing it one more time with cage door open.
Seriously, Casey's reaction is pretty calm, considering everything.It just so happened that bully was half the size of Casey. He didn't do anything after the throw, it was a pure instinctual decision to make all that poking/jabbing and humiliation stop.This may be the changing point in both their lives.Maybe he defended himself BECAUSE he heard he was being filmed and was afraid that more people will humiliate laugh at him if video spreads. Instead we got this little confrontation instead of hearing about yet another school shooting on the news 8 years later..
I also want to point out that in the gif, Casey's shoe has fallen off and then he starts to walk away. He didn't even stop to pick it up, he just wanted to get out. So I think it's rather obvious that he had no interest in standing there and fighting anyone.
On March 15 2011 03:24 Almin wrote: [quote] Rofl, not to be a jerk, but you're the one who needs to rewatch the video, he could've nearly killed him, the way he picked him up, and the way the kid landed, with different variables, easily could've resulted in the kid breaking his neck.
There are plenty of stories out there, one in particular a few months ago, this bride-to-be was having a pool party, for fun her friends push her in the pool without her knowledge. Bam she breaks her neck, in a wheelchair afterwards.
Those kinds of moves are dangerous, especially for kids.
Sure, maybe he should have just punched the kid a few times in the head and broke his nose. Then people would be whining about concussions and brain damage. He's untrained, and the school clearly gave him no other outs - i'd much rather him smash some kid into the ground than come in with a pistol in a couple years.
Yeah I don't mind if the little kid gets his ass whopped, but I think it's wrong to be beat up in that way because the bigger kid could've easily taken the smaller kid with fists/legs, and severely beat him so he wouldn't pick on him again. But to bodyslam another person on the concrete with the knowledge that it might kill/cripple him for LIFE, is not the right way to fight.
Smash him into the ground with fists/legs, I would approve! A much lower chance of seriously hurting the person.
How many fights have you been in? Serious question, because when you fight you don't calmly sit down over the fire and figure out risk percentages. In fact the adrenaline is so high that you often have very vague memories of what exactly happened. Its really silly to argue about the body slam itself.
I've been in several, enough to actually assess the risk percentages.
He's old enough to know the consequences of body slamming someone, nearly headfirst on the concrete.
My point is, he took it too far considering that if he went into a fistacuffs fight with the kid, he would've beat him hands down, and would've ended with the same results, the bullies not picking on him anymore(hopefully)
I'm not defending anyone, but the way Casey handled it was wrong, and was much more dangerous than some bully punching him a few times in the face. Two wrongs don't make a right, but if he had gotten in a fistfight, the little kid would've backed off him in the future since he would've lost either way.
LOL, did you really have time to asses the "risk percentages" of your fights? In a fight you barely have time, if any to asses all your possibilities. You seriously talk like you have never been in a serious situation and as if you valued life the same way you play again. "Risk percentage" That is just video game talking...
No, I'm just not a barbaric monkey like you. I actually think when I'm in fights *Gasp*
At your first point, unless you are extremely slow, you have plenty of time to think about what to do in a fight, unless you're one of those kids that just charges at a person throwing fists around to no avail..
uh lashing out at people calling them barbaric monkeys doesn't really help you out here. we're talking about a little kid who snapped, it was obviously a really emotional moment. of course adults react differently and it depends on the situation. clearly UFC fighters are thinking when they fight and such.
I'm not sure what you think fights are like, but 99.5% of street fights are not boxing matches like rocky balboa vs tommy gunn.... They wind up on the ground after about 3 seconds, and are grappling until someone breaks them up. Except when someone is getting mugged, when 6 or 7 guys will jump them and beat the hell out of them before taking their wallet and running off. I don't believe I've ever heard of a non-sparring match that didn't simply go down into a wrestling match.
That's exactly the sort of point I'm making. Fights are very rarely these slow strategic street fighter like brawls. That's why I think it's ridiculous that people are saying "Why didn't this kid think or consider the blablabla"
I was thinking that either the little kid was really lucky or the big guy purposely threw him parallel to the ground instead of right on his head (which he could have easily done). Either way, things turned out alright.
I think the people who say otherwise are only looking at this from the point of an outsider to the situation. Just because the kid who attacked Casey didn't think he was going to get his neck broken doesn't mean that that happening is overboard or even unjustified.
Before attacking ANYONE there are risks involved ESPECIALLY if you don't know how they are going to react. Stupid little bastard got what was coming to him. If you mess with the bull, you get the horns, and shouldn't expect anything less.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
I wonder if you have ever been bullied in your life. Doesn't seem like it. If you were bullied, you know that when you snap, well.. YOU SNAP!!!
I used to be bullied by this big kid and once when he pushed me to the ground (while being in the ground) I went for his nuts. The kid cried non-stop and never bullied me again.
Are you fucking serious?
How can you compare nearly killing a kid for being punched by this pipsqueak? The fat kid took it too far, and would've gone to jail for it if the smaller kid got seriously hurt.
The big kid should've punched/kicked the crap out of him, it would've been easily a KO because of his height/weight. The fat kid took it way too far, but I can't say I would feel bad for the smaller kid, neither of them did the right thing.
LOL! I think you just proved my point. It is quite clear that you were/are a bully. You feel sorry for the bully because he got owned by the bullied kid. Is that bullies #1 fear?
BTW, the kid would not have gone to jail if he had killed the guy who was bulling him. He did it in self defense and that gets him out of trouble with the law.
Tell me, a guy with a revolver shoots in the arm another guy for no reason. The wounded guy sees a shotgun, takes it and fires back, killing the guy who first shot him. Would you feel sorry for the guy who died instead of being wounded like he wounded the other guy or would you prise the actions of the guy who killed as an act of self defense?
No, I never was a bully, but when i was bullied, I beat the shit out of the guy so he never messed with me again. I didn't almost kill him but I made sure he didn't mess with me again.
The kid would've gone to court and would've probably been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or some other charge.
Your example is terrible, guns are designed to kill. Punches are to hurt people, body slams have a chance of killing people/hurting them severely.
Both the kids were wrong, I would be defending Casey too, if he chose to beat the crap out of him with HIS FISTS/legs, but to throw the kid nearly head first on the pavement? You guys are taking it way too far.
Ehm, so considering Casey's height/weight, he could probably 1hit KO that kid. You'd actually prefer him knocking him out and possibly breaking his neck on something then start kicking him? So: Body slam = possible broken neck Fists/feet = Possible broken neck + broken ribs/nose etc
Which one would you prefer?
Hitting someone, a low chance of knocking him unconscious(especially at that age, i mean comon)
Kicking them in the stomach or something yeah, not the face, too dangerous, but not too high imo.
Bodyslam=high chance, considering if he landed wrong.
Yeah I would've preferred to see a fistfight, much less dangerous, you're blowing your statistics out of control.
I can not express with words the amazingness contained in that video.
So many kids get pushed around the entire time they're in school and can't or don't know how to defend themselves, but luckily for Casey his size gives him in the ability to make it up on the spot.
He probably didn't grab the little shit kid thinking he was going to body slam him and hurt him. He just got fed up and knew that the only way to keep from getting punched in the face was to physically stop it, and what happened, happened.
Has anyone raged out at the school board for reprimanding Casey? This was total self defense. 1.) He was being assaulted. 2.)He had his back to a wall with no safe retreat available. 3.)He disabled his assailant, and retreated.
Even if this was admitted as evidence in an adult trial I think Casey would be found not guilty.
On March 15 2011 03:50 sc4k wrote: Can't believe you guys are saying that this kid took it too far. Fuck that, he just picked up the little shitbag and dumped him. Faggot little child deserved a broken neck, as do all bullies.
What happened in that video can be summed up by 3 words:
badass fucking justice
HELL YEAH, none of the good people in society ever did stupid shit while they were kids.
wtf is up with all of these people who have death wishes on kids being kids?
Kids being kids argument is fine and dandy then you have shit like Columbine happen BECAUSE of bullies. Sorry but bullying isn't as harmless as you make it out to be. Are you going to tell me that rape is just 'men being men?'
bullying is common behavior in kids, and kids who bully often turn out just fine in adulthood. and no, Columbine didn't happen because of bullies; it happened because two kids brought guns to school and opened fire on their classmates. Bullying was one of the factors that contributed to their decision, but that doesn't mean that somehow bullies are directly responsible for school shootings.
i am so bewildered right now, are you actually arguing that kids who bully deserve broken necks? what. the. fuck. that is all I have to say.
Completely wrong. Bullies don't turn out to be fine. They're the ones who fill up prisons when they grow older. People don't just grow out of this phase. The little shithead was obviously a habitual bully and this type of behavior doesn't just go away when people grow up.
show me a study that shows that above 90% or so of children that exhibit bullying behaviors end up incarcerated, and maybe i'll give a thought to your idea that bullies should be thought of as if they are predestined to end up as the scourge of society. i'm guessing there isn't one.
Although what he did might be seen as too violent, the other kid didn't suffer any severe injuries. I think it was totally justified. I fully support Casey if he had been bullied for years...
Who are you people to judge who deserved what? "Street justice" is really pathetic. As long as people do something you agree with, it's justice. That's why street justice is dangerous. If you ever become a minority, street justice would be against you.
I'm truly sorry if some of you were bullied and authority failed you. But that doesn't justify anything. A rational thought process should be as follows: Authority fails => attempt to fix authority Not: Authority fails => rebel against authority
The latter has enormous consequences. In this scenario, there aren't as many, but as soon as we let small things like this pass, people won't hesitate to step up their actions.
He deserves the suspension. Maybe the suspension was worth it to him, though. But if he goes unpunished, it sets a terrible precedent.
Also, when most of you judge the bully, you exhibit fundamental attribution error. You overvalue dispositional explanations and undervalue situational explanations for the bulliles' behavior. You can't assume he's a terrible person, and he definitely doesn't deserve a broken neck no matter what. A huge part of a child's development comes from how they are raised, and you cannot fault a child for that, something he can't control.
Even if it was adult, I wouldn't condone violence, but there's absolutely no justification for condoning violence against a child.
As someone who's been fat for his entire life until the last 2 years, all I wanna say is......BRILLIANT! Much props to the Casey for standing up to the asshole. Bullying will not stop until people take stance. I know how Casey have felt, he's probably someone good-hearted and polite, always nice to other people, but sometimes, you gotta take stand and show those mfers what they deserve. Look at how hurt the kid is. If the thing on TVs were real, noone would survive those matches.
This is self-defence for the purposes of the law, but the defence has to be proportional to the attacks, which it clearly isn't in this case.. However, almost every legal system does not penalize/or lower the penalty when the defendant goes over the line due to excitement/panic/fear situations, so this kid shouldn't have been penalized for his actions because he's probably been messed by those people for God knows how long. He probably feels bad for what he's done already, and that is enough for him.
I agree to the above poster tho, what he got (4 days) is okay to discourage violence, but I'd only have given 2.
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
I disagree with your disagreement
If you poke a bear with a stick and it attacks you is there a single person that would blame the bear for getting poked with a stick?
A more accurate assessment would be something like poking a caged bear with a stick through bars every day for several years and then doing it one more time with cage door open.
Seriously, Casey's reaction is pretty calm, considering everything.It just so happened that bully was half the size of Casey. He didn't do anything after the throw, it was a pure instinctual decision to make all that poking/jabbing and humiliation stop.This may be the changing point in both their lives.Maybe he defended himself BECAUSE he heard he was being filmed and was afraid that more people will humiliate laugh at him if video spreads. Instead we got this little confrontation instead of hearing about yet another school shooting on the news 8 years later..
I also want to point out that in the gif, Casey's shoe has fallen off and then he starts to walk away. He didn't even stop to pick it up, he just wanted to get out. So I think it's rather obvious that he had no interest in standing there and fighting anyone.
That was the little kid's hat, not Casey's shoe.
Oh I see now. I went back and watched it, and you are right. It just appeared from under casey's foot, and was the same color as his shoe, so that's what I thought it was. I guess I'm thinking too much into this.
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