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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
March 12 2011 06:57 GMT
#1361
Be mindful the next time you click on a google link regarding the disaster, as scams and exploits have already been employed by heartless hackers: http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/20880-cybercriminals-exploit/

=/
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 07:00:52
March 12 2011 06:59 GMT
#1362
NHK:

It's estimated that #1 is at least 2,700C to 2,800C right now from the fact that cesium is being detected. They can't deny that more rods will melt. They can't deny that the container isn't leaking water -- which if it is, the temperature will rise more.

Based on climatological observations it's expected that they won't have to extend the 10km evacuation radius.

Aaand just then, NHK goes offline and my phone informs me of another aftershock.

Edit: after some staff/anchor panic it looks like they're back online.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 07:01 GMT
#1363
On March 12 2011 15:40 AntiLegend wrote:
what is the relationship between reactor pressure and the meltdown? can't the rods still melt even though they manage to lower the pressure?


yes, but its better to have nuclear material melt and remain in a specifically designed and controllable site rather than have it explode into the air and surrounding area.
starleague forever
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 07:11:43
March 12 2011 07:11 GMT
#1364
Anyone know the estimate number of casualties so far?
My prayers goes to the japanese people.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 07:16 GMT
#1365
On March 12 2011 16:11 ilj.psa wrote:
Anyone know the estimate number of casualties so far?
My prayers goes to the japanese people.


NHK reports at least 1,000, but my family friends are saying NHK is hiding a lot of the worst.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
March 12 2011 07:19 GMT
#1366
[image loading]

From Reuters, The wreckage of a train destroyed by an earthquake and tsunami is seen near the coastal town of Sendai.

...
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
March 12 2011 07:20 GMT
#1367
The earthquake was so powerful, it moved Japan 8 feet, and shifted the Earth's axis.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
fanta[Rn]
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Japan2465 Posts
March 12 2011 07:28 GMT
#1368
"Nuclear safety committee of Japan consider the meltdown of the cladding tube happening, NHK reports. The tube contain uranium"
Nuri
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand280 Posts
March 12 2011 07:31 GMT
#1369
On March 12 2011 15:46 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 15:23 DeltruS wrote:
I was under the impression that all first world countries have MANY countermeasures preventing the nuclear fission from going out of countrol like this. Meltdowns occur when the fission material melts through the containment hull and hits groundwater, creating explosive steam thousands of degrees in temperature and sending radiactive material everywhere. There are many ways to prevent the fission material from going a chain reaction and causing a meltdown: submerging the rods that absorb the reaction sustaining neutrons, increasing the amount of coolant and having thick enough containment.

I really can't believe plants are having meltdowns like this. They should consider if a plant is in a tsunami safe zone and either not build there or have tsunami safety measures.


The plant did have tsunami safety measures, there's no way to avoid every possible meltdown scenario. If this earthquake was a 9.1 or 9.2 instead of the 8.9 (depending on source), it could have been even worse. It's a testament to the ability of Japanese engineers that after an 8.9 quake, multiple tsunamis, and every backup system they had being incapacitated in some way from the devastation, that the plant itself is still under control.

Nowhere else in the world has the kind of infrastructure Japan does - Japan's quake was hundreds of times stronger than the quake in Haiti that levelled the country early last year. As horrible as Japan has it, as Jibba said, we should be thankful it hit Japan if it hit anywhere - there's nowhere else in the world that can even pretend to have measures in place for a "swift" recovery for something bordering magnitude 9.

I completely agree with you dude, well said. A earthquake this big would of had a much more bigger impact in another country..I mean look at New Zealand for example its a first world country, Christchurch was completely destroyed and many killed. Earthquake was no where as big as what we saw in Japan..Just goes to show no other country is prepared as well as Japan is.
I hope they get through this okay.
The biggest risk in life is not taking any risks at all
Aurocaido
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada288 Posts
March 12 2011 07:38 GMT
#1370
Al Jazeera reporting that one of the earthquake hit reactors is currently experiencing a meltdown.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 07:41 GMT
#1371
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8248054/view.html

Has 3 news station streams
starleague forever
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 12 2011 07:47 GMT
#1372
So far it only looks like the original reactor is the one with all of the problems. But problems they are:

Fukushima 1: Fuel Rods Exposed
by NHK

12 March 2011, 12:03

According to the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), the level of water to cool the nuclear reactor at Unit 1 of the Fukushima 1 Nuclear Power Plant has declined. As of 11:20 AM, a part of the "fuel assembly" of fuel rods is now exposed above water. The maximum exposure as of now is about 90 cm. If the fuel rods remain exposed, they will be damaged, releasing radioactivity. That's the danger that is threatening the plant, according to NISA. So, about 27,000 liters of water, including the water that has been stored for firefighting, is now being pumped into the reactor, via makeshift pumps and other means, in order to raise the water level.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
March 12 2011 07:51 GMT
#1373
Reuters now reporting explosions heard at the Fukushima Daiichi plant.
...
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 07:52 GMT
#1374
one of the news station has footage from the town where a dam broke ... massive amount of flooding
starleague forever
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 07:58:48
March 12 2011 07:54 GMT
#1375
NHK says that someone on-site at Reactor #1 heard an explosion about an hour ago and saw smoke.

Edit: Analyst says there's not enough information on what's happening, but it's likely that an "explosion vent" opened.

Some workers injured.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 07:54 GMT
#1376
South Korean search and rescue teams have arrived in japan
starleague forever
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 12 2011 07:57 GMT
#1377
confirmed, one of the stations is showing footage of what appears to be an explosion, and footage of smoke as well
starleague forever
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
March 12 2011 07:58 GMT
#1378
hmm once again its proven nuclear energy is not safe at all. lets hope there wont be too much damage.
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Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 08:02:33
March 12 2011 07:59 GMT
#1379
Seems it's not confirmed if it's smoke or steam.

On March 12 2011 16:58 smileyyy wrote:
hmm once again its proven nuclear energy is not safe at all. lets hope there wont be too much damage.


Obviously you don't even know how a power-plant function.
Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
March 12 2011 08:01 GMT
#1380
On March 12 2011 16:58 smileyyy wrote:
hmm once again its proven nuclear energy is not safe at all. lets hope there wont be too much damage.


bullshit. People are just afraid of the word nuclear. Any other power plant would have trouble following the 5th largest earthquake since 1900. And all that's happening here is a minor leak. I would hazard to say Nuclear power plants have the best record of all fuel-using power plants worldwide.

How extraordinarily narrow minded
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