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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 28 2011 19:55 GMT
#261
US ships moving closer to Libya in case needed, Gaddafi troops arresting anyone in Tripoli if been on YouTube, interviewed, or been taking pictures etc. Gunfire heard.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
February 28 2011 20:04 GMT
#262
On February 25 2011 11:15 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2011 11:10 Alou wrote:
On February 25 2011 08:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida.

He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them.

'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said.

'At the end when he’s really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.'


Saw this an hour ago before I started doing homework. I really hope this isn't the case. UN needs to do some stuff ASAP.

They probably won't, Serbia anyone?


What about Serbia?
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
February 28 2011 21:17 GMT
#263
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .



Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.
We avoid risks in life to arrive safely at death.
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 21:23:54
February 28 2011 21:23 GMT
#264
On March 01 2011 06:17 Blanke wrote:
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DG4_JHXGs


Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.


It's already affected us. Have you seen gas prices lately?
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-28 22:14:55
February 28 2011 21:26 GMT
#265
On March 01 2011 06:23 Gatsbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 06:17 Blanke wrote:
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DG4_JHXGs


Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.


It's already affected us. Have you seen gas prices lately?


Mom drives a Lexus, which needs premium, fucking $3.96 a gallon at one of the cheaper places where I live. Go to a gas station by the freeway and it's well over $4 a gallon. And don't prices go up during the summer? .

NOTE: Gas prices are supposedly actually going to fall because the rebels are still selling oil, they only spiked in speculation they might not. Or something along those lines.
Boen
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7 Posts
February 28 2011 21:44 GMT
#266
Its only a matter of time before the Qaddafi regime collapses. Outlying regions such as Zawiyah and Misurata are firmly under control by the resistance groups having repelled multiple assaults. Many Libyan troops have defected and the resistance has become heavily armed. The Italian government has rescinded a non-aggression pact with Libya on the grounds that the Libyan state no longer exists. France, the UK, and the US have met to discuss options for aiding the resistance, so far this has consisted of humanitarian medical aid to the resistance. While the authoritarian regime has tried to cover up much of the violence and the strength of the resistance groups, this effort failed just as it began. When Libya forbade journalists from entering Libya, everyone knew that something was wrong. When journalists were allowed back in, government paid drivers would sometimes take the journalists to all the places that did prove violence against protesters and that resistance groups were showing some success. Even now, days later, journalists taken to pro Qaddafi supporters would talk to the supporters and some openly admitted to being paid by the government to come out and support Qaddafi for the journalists. Qaddafi's regime has even bombed ammunition depots in the outlying areas, clearly they are fighting a losing battle. The resistance now controls 80% of the oil and shipments have resumed with buyers recognizing the resistance and paying them for the oil.
Some cause happiness wherever they go. Others, whenever they go.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 28 2011 23:06 GMT
#267
Seems pro government forces have made gains towards rebel held areas, still no decision by the UN make the country a no fly zone as reports have been coming in that weapons from Belarus are being flown in as well as Mercenaries from other parts of Africa.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 01:04:25
March 01 2011 01:03 GMT
#268
BBC interviews gadaffi.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12604760

Guy seems to be totally crazy lol.


Mad props to the ballsy journalists.
Whats the altitude?
lastprobeALIVE
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States974 Posts
March 01 2011 01:05 GMT
#269


LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed
when in doubt DT out
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 03:47:20
March 01 2011 03:46 GMT
#270
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
Show nested quote +
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.
mcbrite
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 06:54:01
March 01 2011 06:52 GMT
#271
On March 01 2011 06:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 06:23 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 01 2011 06:17 Blanke wrote:
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DG4_JHXGs


Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.


It's already affected us. Have you seen gas prices lately?


Mom drives a Lexus, which needs premium, fucking $3.96 a gallon at one of the cheaper places where I live. Go to a gas station by the freeway and it's well over $4 a gallon. And don't prices go up during the summer? .

NOTE: Gas prices are supposedly actually going to fall because the rebels are still selling oil, they only spiked in speculation they might not. Or something along those lines.


Cry me a river, I paid $ 8.35 yesterday... Yeah, you read that right... Converted from Euro/Litres to dollars/gallon. Germany... Also premium, Evo X...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2011 07:47 GMT
#272
On March 01 2011 15:52 mcbrite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 06:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
On March 01 2011 06:23 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 01 2011 06:17 Blanke wrote:
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DG4_JHXGs


Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.


It's already affected us. Have you seen gas prices lately?


Mom drives a Lexus, which needs premium, fucking $3.96 a gallon at one of the cheaper places where I live. Go to a gas station by the freeway and it's well over $4 a gallon. And don't prices go up during the summer? .

NOTE: Gas prices are supposedly actually going to fall because the rebels are still selling oil, they only spiked in speculation they might not. Or something along those lines.


Cry me a river, I paid $ 8.35 yesterday... Yeah, you read that right... Converted from Euro/Litres to dollars/gallon. Germany... Also premium, Evo X...


Doesn't count as you live in Germany the coolest place in the world.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 08:05:51
March 01 2011 08:04 GMT
#273
Latest map of Libya detailing rebel held areas and pro-government forces:

[image loading]

Fighting is said be going on right now, there was also a six hour battle at Zawiya in which pro-government forces attacked from six sides in hopes of taking the rebel held town which lies 30 miles West of Tripoli, it's the closest rebel held area to the Capital. Pro-government forces failed to take the town.

+ Show Spoiler +


TRIPOLI, Libya – Witnesses say forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi have tried but failed to retake the rebel-held city closest to the Libyan capital Tripoli.

They said Tuesday that pro-Gadhafi troops supported by tanks and anti-aircraft guns tried to retake the city of Zawiya Monday night in six hours of fighting, attacking rebel positions from six directions. They said the rebels managed to push back the attackers. Zawiya is 30 miles (50 kilometers) west of Tripoli.

"We will not give up Zawiya at any price," said one witness.

Gadhafi, Libya's ruler of 41 years, has already lost control of the eastern half of the country since protests demanding his ouster began two weeks ago. He still holds the capital Tripoli.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
March 01 2011 08:34 GMT
#274
On March 01 2011 12:46 Krikkitone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.


Yeah, and it's not exactly an open and shut decision for Western Europe + USA to all agree on mobilization in an area where everyone already hates them for political meddling. Doubt we'll see this happen unless it turns into outright war with a humanitarian crisis.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
March 01 2011 08:42 GMT
#275
On March 01 2011 17:34 Broodwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 12:46 Krikkitone wrote:
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.


Yeah, and it's not exactly an open and shut decision for Western Europe + USA to all agree on mobilization in an area where everyone already hates them for political meddling. Doubt we'll see this happen unless it turns into outright war with a humanitarian crisis.


Although most experts of international law (and no, these DON'T include paid puppets from politics...) agree that intervention is justified because of drastic violation of human rights, I think you are right in that the Arab peoples have to "free themselves". I think the whole "democracy from above"-approach done by especially the US is doomed to fail because people will never have the feeling that they are truly independent now, making their own rules for themselves.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Broodwich
Profile Joined February 2009
United States393 Posts
March 01 2011 08:56 GMT
#276
On March 01 2011 17:42 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 17:34 Broodwich wrote:
On March 01 2011 12:46 Krikkitone wrote:
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.


Yeah, and it's not exactly an open and shut decision for Western Europe + USA to all agree on mobilization in an area where everyone already hates them for political meddling. Doubt we'll see this happen unless it turns into outright war with a humanitarian crisis.


Although most experts of international law (and no, these DON'T include paid puppets from politics...) agree that intervention is justified because of drastic violation of human rights, I think you are right in that the Arab peoples have to "free themselves". I think the whole "democracy from above"-approach done by especially the US is doomed to fail because people will never have the feeling that they are truly independent now, making their own rules for themselves.


Completely agree with this assessment. It has to come from within for it to be legitimate. The US propped up a lot of really unsavory characters over there (the Saudi govt being the biggest offenders), and we've lost any authority / popular support in the area.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 09:32:00
March 01 2011 08:58 GMT
#277
On a slightly bizarre and humorous note to this whole thing, a remix of one of Gaddafi's latest speeches entitled "Zenga Zenga" has become, supposedly, the anthem for the rebels. Even more amazingly, the fact that it was made by an Israeli hasn't been a dealbreaker too much in the Arab world.

Its quite well-done too, actually:


Translated, the lyrics are:
Inch by inch, home by home, house by house, lane by lane

Forward, forward, Revolution, Revolution

I have millions on my side not from the inside but from other countries. From here I send a call to all the millions in the desert, from desert to desert the millions will march and no one will be able to stop them.

Quickly, quickly!

The bell to work has rang!, the bell to march has rang!, the bell of victory has rang!, no turning back!

Clearly a testament to the wonders of Auto-tune.
?
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6287 Posts
March 01 2011 10:02 GMT
#278
On March 01 2011 17:34 Broodwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 12:46 Krikkitone wrote:
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.


Yeah, and it's not exactly an open and shut decision for Western Europe + USA to all agree on mobilization in an area where everyone already hates them for political meddling. Doubt we'll see this happen unless it turns into outright war with a humanitarian crisis.


Actually it was on the news here yesterday that the Lybian protestors see us as their allies since they export most of their oil to Europe and the support from Sarkozy, Berlusconi etc. I got to add though this was about the no fly zone not militairy intervention but still I think we got to help them as much as possible if they see the western world as their allies the oppertunity has to be taken not only from a humanic point of view but also political.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 01 2011 10:09 GMT
#279
On March 01 2011 15:52 mcbrite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 06:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
On March 01 2011 06:23 Gatsbi wrote:
On March 01 2011 06:17 Blanke wrote:
I guess this affects us more than we think . .. .

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9DG4_JHXGs


Food and gas prices, anyone? Expect to see inflations in the coming weeks.


It's already affected us. Have you seen gas prices lately?


Mom drives a Lexus, which needs premium, fucking $3.96 a gallon at one of the cheaper places where I live. Go to a gas station by the freeway and it's well over $4 a gallon. And don't prices go up during the summer? .

NOTE: Gas prices are supposedly actually going to fall because the rebels are still selling oil, they only spiked in speculation they might not. Or something along those lines.


Cry me a river, I paid $ 8.35 yesterday... Yeah, you read that right... Converted from Euro/Litres to dollars/gallon. Germany... Also premium, Evo X...


I'm aware Euro prices are vastly higher than US prices, it's just very high in the U.S.^^. It's the equivalent of me saying, "damn, I just paid $80 for that game, wtf why so highhh" and then a guy from New Zealand comes in and says, "whatever, I paid $115." $80 is still more expensive than anything I'd normally pay.

But if your point was that I had no right to complain... I guess :-/
0mar
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
March 01 2011 14:07 GMT
#280
On March 01 2011 17:56 Broodwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 17:42 sleepingdog wrote:
On March 01 2011 17:34 Broodwich wrote:
On March 01 2011 12:46 Krikkitone wrote:
On March 01 2011 10:05 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI4vlWbKFFw&feature=player_embedded

LOL?? tell me this guy is not the biggest troll on earth. also posted on the al jazeera
1:40am
Abdullah, a witness speaking to Al Jazeera from Misurata, about 200km east of Tripoli, says:

There’s now artillery shelling on the suburbs of Misurata and on the Air force college, south west of Misurata. There are also helicopters trying to bomb the local broadcast.

They are also using heavy weapons against the protestors ... also last night helicopters dropped leaflets and threats from the regime.

A plane fell in the sea and we arrested five of its crew ... we have weapons trying to use to defend ourselves but it is normal weapons that cannot be compared to the planes or tanks or armored vehicles or the heavy weapons they use to bomb us ... we are the defending righteous and freedom ... we want him [Gaddafi] to leave.


I can't understand why they wouldn't have the no-air space restriction set in place t.t

Reading this al-jazeera blog is keeping me intrigued throughout this whole ordeal. I hope they can get that whacko out of there without much much more bloodshed


non-interference/national sovereignty/ etc.


Yeah, and it's not exactly an open and shut decision for Western Europe + USA to all agree on mobilization in an area where everyone already hates them for political meddling. Doubt we'll see this happen unless it turns into outright war with a humanitarian crisis.


Although most experts of international law (and no, these DON'T include paid puppets from politics...) agree that intervention is justified because of drastic violation of human rights, I think you are right in that the Arab peoples have to "free themselves". I think the whole "democracy from above"-approach done by especially the US is doomed to fail because people will never have the feeling that they are truly independent now, making their own rules for themselves.


Completely agree with this assessment. It has to come from within for it to be legitimate. The US propped up a lot of really unsavory characters over there (the Saudi govt being the biggest offenders), and we've lost any authority / popular support in the area.



If you think propping up the Saudis is the biggest offense the US has done in the Middle East, you don't know much history. The Saudis are quite tame compared to Saddam and the Shah. We put Saddam in power in the '60s when Qassem, another likely candidate to overthrow the Monarchy of Iraq didn't have the balls to execute the communists/leftists/royal family in Iraq. Saddam did. During the war in the '80s with Iran, we sold him chemical and biological weapons which he used on his own people. We looked the other way. Likewise, with the Shah, we supported 20 years of basically a Nazi state in Iran. Every sector of life was infiltrated by the Shah's spies. If you made an anti-government remark to your butcher, chances are you would end up in prison being tortured in the worst ways possible.
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