On February 25 2011 08:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Saw this an hour ago before I started doing homework. I really hope this isn't the case. UN needs to do some stuff ASAP.
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
On February 25 2011 08:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Show nested quote + Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida. He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them. 'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said. 'At the end when he’s really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.' Saw this an hour ago before I started doing homework. I really hope this isn't the case. UN needs to do some stuff ASAP. | ||
Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:10 Alou wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2011 08:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Mustafa Abdel Galil, who resigned three days ago from his post as the country's justice minister, spoke to Al Jazeera at a meeting of tribal leaders and representatives of eastern Libya in the city of Al Baida. He warned that Gaddafi has biological and chemical weapons, and will not hesitate to use them. 'We call on the international community and the UN to prevent Gaddafi from going on with his plans in Tripoli,' he said. 'At the end when he’s really pressured, he can do anything. I think Gaddafi will burn everything left behind him.' Saw this an hour ago before I started doing homework. I really hope this isn't the case. UN needs to do some stuff ASAP. They probably won't, Serbia anyone? | ||
KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
(Sorry but it was waiting to be said ;D) Al-jazeera wasn't working for me though, going to see if there's any archive of it later. | ||
MrSmarter
United States7 Posts
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krazymunky
United States727 Posts
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Mimic
Russian Federation76 Posts
On February 25 2011 13:31 krazymunky wrote: hearing (on CNNs anderson cooper) that women calling from tripoli is pretty depressing. hoping for a swift regime change with less death i am sure everyone hopes for a good transition of goverment however it has never happened. i garantee that it will not be to expectations and il give it 50/50 that it will not be better after 5 years. History has shown that when there is no goverment the only thing that works is firm control. and since that is what they are trying to change i dont see anything good from this | ||
Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:21 KaiserJohan wrote: Since there's lots of oil in libya though, maybe US will help, ehm, remove Gaddafi? (Sorry but it was waiting to be said ;D) Al-jazeera wasn't working for me though, going to see if there's any archive of it later. Nope. US energy policy since Bush has been focused on importing that seductively delicious sweet light crude from Nigeria and fostering relationships in what is considered to be the more stable """democracies""" in the sub Saharan region. Europeans import the vast majority of Libyan oil, as well as supplying most of its weapons. Italians, Brits, Germans etc have much more an economic stake in maintaining Libyan oil stability than the US. If something major happened in Nigeria (instead of Libya) to disrupt oil supply to the US, you bet your ass there would huge shenanigans going on in the States to ensure stable flow. Then again, Nigeria would probably be better off without oil, look at the Niger River Delta as one of the greatest environmental disasters in human history that goes completely ignored by the rest of the world because BP spilled a few gallons in the Gulf and killed some fish. The US already contributes a significant amount of its aid to Africa specifically to Nigeria (military aid in the form of counter-terrorism training, etc etc) specifically to ensure stable oil production. But I'm getting ahead of myself! Maybe it'd be a good idea to create a thread specifically on African misconceptions, historical events, and political history...Africa is easily the single most least understood region in the world, and definitely has the greatest number of misconceptions and "blank periods" of history in terms of typical western educations... On February 25 2011 12:58 MrSmarter wrote: Why can't they all just be like MLK jr, only not die. Less people would die at least, but they probably would not succeed, and some would still die. I could be wrong, but I think there might be a slightly perceivable difference between a civil rights movement for discriminated minorities in a democracy and an authoritarian regime constructed around a single autocrat, who controls the "petro-economy" of his nation with an iron first. | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On February 25 2011 13:36 Mimic wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2011 13:31 krazymunky wrote: hearing (on CNNs anderson cooper) that women calling from tripoli is pretty depressing. hoping for a swift regime change with less death i am sure everyone hopes for a good transition of goverment however it has never happened. i garantee that it will not be to expectations and il give it 50/50 that it will not be better after 5 years. History has shown that when there is no goverment the only thing that works is firm control. and since that is what they are trying to change i dont see anything good from this Sure, it won't be to expectations. It never is. But I don't think it will be worse in 5 years. With rising oil prices Libya is actually in a great position if they can only avoid civil war. Maybe we won't see huge progress in 5 years but in the long run Libya is much better off with a sometimes unstable democracy than a dynastic dictatorship. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
3:30am: The UN Security Council will meet on Friday to consider actions against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's government that could include sanctions aimed at deterring his violent crackdown on anti-government protesters. Possible measures include an asset freeze for government figures, travel and visa bans, investment and export restrictions or tough Security Council action. | ||
Grettin
42381 Posts
Gonna be interesting when this gets to full scale civil war.. oh yeah, source is from a local newspaper where i live. Feel free to search cnn or smthn. | ||
Alou
United States3748 Posts
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soullogik
United States1171 Posts
Britain sent sniper rifles to Gaddafi just before his troops began killing http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/britain-sent-sniper-rifles-to-gaddafi-just-before-his-troops-began-killing/ This is London | Feb 23, 2011 by Joe Murphy Britain approved the export of sniper rifles to Libya just months before marksmen began murdering protest- ers in Tripoli. An export licence was granted to let “a small quantity” of deadly long-range weapons be shipped out in November for exhibition or testing. Four licences were approved for the rifles, along with assault rifles and semi-automatic handguns, with cleaning kits. They were signed off by officials in the Department for Business and it was unclear today whether ministers were involved in the decision. Business Secretary Vince Cable told the Standard: “It is essential to stop arms exports where this could be used to suppress human rights and democratic protests and also fuel regional conflict.” He said he was “certainly surprised” about the export licences, particularly in the case of sniper rifles. He indicated that he would insist on tougher future curbs over exports to controversial regimes, saying: “We are where we are and have to act correctly from here.” Horrific wounds among Libyan demonstrators, including limbs ripped off, are consistent with the impact of a high-velocity round from a sniper rifle. Following calls from the Standard, the Department for Business was this morning contacting the firms involved to establish whether the British weapons were sent back, as required under the licence conditions. Last week the department suspended export licences to Bahrain and Libya after concern at attacks of protesters. These licences included tear gas but the department was unable to say this morning whether tear gas was exported to Libya. The Business Department was unable to give details of who signed the export licences and when. A spokeswoman said she understood that decisions were delegated to officials. The department would not say which companies were involved as this was “commercially confidential”. Britain’s top manufacturer of sniper rifles, the Portsmouth-based Accuracy International, said it was not involved. Labour today called on the Government to freeze Colonel Gaddafi’s overseas assets. Shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander said an agreement on sanctions should be pursued via the European Union. “The Government appeared slow to act on freezing assets misappropriated from the Egyptian people,” he said. “They should now be urgently seeking agreement in Europe to freeze assets of the Libyan regime.” The Treasury said the Government could freeze assets owned by a foreign leader but only after a United Nations or EU vote to impose sanctions, a request from the country involved or a Home Office decision that action was needed to prevent terrorism against Britons. This entry was posted in Black Ops & Dirty Tricks, Cover-ups, Crime & Corruption, Dictators, Divide and Conquer, Intelligence Agencies, Militarization, Military Industrial Complex, Order Out Of Chaos, Perpetual War, Police State Dictatorship, Psychological Operations, Riots, Social Engineering. Bookmark the permalink. Gaddafi son at heart of British high society http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/gaddafi-son-at-heart-of-british-highsociety/ This is London | Feb 23, 2011 by Joe Murphy A meeting between a dictator’s son and a senior Cabinet minister at a classic English shooting party revealed how deeply the Gaddafi regime wormed its way into the British Establishment. The weekend took place in 2009 at Waddesdon Manor, the Buckinghamshire home owned by financier Jacob, 4th Baron Rothschild. Saif al-Islam Gaddafi was a guest of financier Nat Rothschild and Lord Mandelson, the former business secretary who was virtual deputy to Gordon Brown. The peer and Saif are said to have got on well and met again at the Rothschild holiday home in Corfu, where Lord Mandelson stayed for a week and discussed the case of Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, who was freed days later. Saif is Muammar Gaddafi‘s third son and heir apparent. LSE educated, he owns a home in Hampstead with eight bedrooms, indoor pool, sauna and cinema. Last year Saif claimed Tony Blair was a “personal family friend” who had visited Libya many times, becoming an adviser to Colonel Gaddafi over the fund that manages Libya’s £65 billion oil wealth. Other key business links include Sir Mark Allen, a former MI6 officer who moved into BP, and Margaret Thatcher‘s former policy aide Lord Powell, whose companies have invested in Libyan hotels and offices. The Gaddafi family is believed to have stashed most of its wealth in Dubai, south-east Asia and the Gulf, where banking is more secretive than in Britain. The Libyan Investment Authority owns three per cent of Pearson, which owns the Financial Times. Its property includes a retail complex in Oxford Street. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
11:06pm The Guardian newspaper reports that UK officials have told Gaddafi loyalists to defect or face war crimes. The article says that a draft resolution which circulating within the Security Council seeks to achieve the following: arms embargo on the government, travel bans and asset freezes of senior officials.The writers Patrick Wintour and Julian Borger say that the idea of a no-fly zone was removed from the Frano-British draft resolution and it was not discussed at a NATO meeting in Brussels. Meanwhile, more than 200 Arab organisations and around 30 Arab intellectuals appealed for a no-fly zone over Libya. Egyptian writer and commentator Hani Shukrallah reportedly told the Guardian: Stopping Gaddafi and his family shopping in Harrods or on the Champs Elysées is not going to prevent him unleashing further bloodshed. It's time to stop fiddling about and get serious. | ||
Trion
Canada291 Posts
http://feb17.info/media/anonymous/ + Show Spoiler + Dear United Nations: Anonymous wishes you to act. We are watching the developments in Libya and are shocked. Shocked by the images we’ve seen. Shocked by the things Libya’s Anons have told us. Shocked by the fact that one man ignores the voices of his citizens and opens fire on them. Shocked by the fact that even with generals and diplomats deserting, this man is still ignoring the will of his people and unwilling to accept their human rights People ought not have to fear their leaders; leaders ought to fear their people. In too many places, though, this is currently not the case. A grasping dictator has taken an army to the skies and the streets to shed blood of people whom he should be protecting. Some of them have bravely refused, and thereby done their part; when will the UN do theirs? We just want the people to be free. Please help us help them. Again, this is not an attack, but rather a bid for your full attention, which ought to be directed towards assisting Libyans in their quest for liberty. The United Nations has the power to prevent this egregious loss of life, but it must act quickly and decisively to do so, contrary to its usual habits. We ask not for meetings or referenda. Rather, we demand that you implement the following measures and do so in a manner that will minimize the loss of life among civilians and put an end to the rule of this degenerate tyrant. 1. Provide a blanket no-fly zone to prevent state controlled aircraft from bombing civilians. 2. Provide secured transport of medical supplies to major population centers. 3. Announce the implemention of these measures within 24 hours. That world which you claim to protect is watching and will respond accordingly. We are Anonymous We are Legion. We do not forget, We do not forgive. | ||
stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
On February 26 2011 14:33 Trion wrote: A message of Solidarity from Anonymous to #Libya http://feb17.info/media/anonymous/ + Show Spoiler + Dear United Nations: Anonymous wishes you to act. We are watching the developments in Libya and are shocked. Shocked by the images we’ve seen. Shocked by the things Libya’s Anons have told us. Shocked by the fact that one man ignores the voices of his citizens and opens fire on them. Shocked by the fact that even with generals and diplomats deserting, this man is still ignoring the will of his people and unwilling to accept their human rights People ought not have to fear their leaders; leaders ought to fear their people. In too many places, though, this is currently not the case. A grasping dictator has taken an army to the skies and the streets to shed blood of people whom he should be protecting. Some of them have bravely refused, and thereby done their part; when will the UN do theirs? We just want the people to be free. Please help us help them. Again, this is not an attack, but rather a bid for your full attention, which ought to be directed towards assisting Libyans in their quest for liberty. The United Nations has the power to prevent this egregious loss of life, but it must act quickly and decisively to do so, contrary to its usual habits. We ask not for meetings or referenda. Rather, we demand that you implement the following measures and do so in a manner that will minimize the loss of life among civilians and put an end to the rule of this degenerate tyrant. 1. Provide a blanket no-fly zone to prevent state controlled aircraft from bombing civilians. 2. Provide secured transport of medical supplies to major population centers. 3. Announce the implemention of these measures within 24 hours. That world which you claim to protect is watching and will respond accordingly. We are Anonymous We are Legion. We do not forget, We do not forgive. Anon has seemed pretty active lately, they keep looking better and better in my eyes, first supporting Wikileaks rights and then providing internet and fighting for the people in countries with rebellions. They have come a long way from those trolling webcams that people claim they are. | ||
thesighter
United States347 Posts
Gaddafi has threatened to torch the oil fields if he gets forced out. UN wants Gaddafi replaced with another government that will keep the oil flowing. It's not really about democracy. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
ZAWIYA, Libya – Hundreds of armed anti-government forces backed by military defectors who control the city closest to the capital Tripoli prepared Sunday to repel an expected offensive by forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi surrounding Zawiya. Gadhafi has launched by far the bloodiest crackdown in a wave of anti-regime uprisings sweeping the Arab world. The United States, Britain and the U.N. Security Council all imposed sanctions on Libya over the weekend. And President Barack Obama said it is time for Gadhafi to go. The regime, eager to show foreign reporters that the country is calm and under their control, took visiting journalists to Zawiya, 30 miles (50 kilometers) west of Tripoli on Sunday. However, the tour confirmed the anti-government rebels are in control of the center of the city of 200,000. They have army tanks and anti-aircraft guns mounted on pickup trucks deployed. On the outskirts of the city, they are surrounded by pro-Gadhafi forces, also backed by tanks and anti-aircraft guns. There were at least six checkpoints controlled by troops loyal to Gadhafi on the road from Tripoli to Zawiya. Each checkpoint was reinforced by at least one tank, and the troops concealed their faces with scarves. "To us, Gadhafi is the Dracula of Libya," said Wael al-Oraibi, an army officer at Zawiya who joined the rebels. He said his decision to defect was prompted in large part by the Libyan leader's use of mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa against the people of Zawiya. Source | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On February 27 2011 17:16 thesighter wrote: Biggest loser in this whole mess is Italy. Berlusconi is in bed with Gaddafi, ENI owns a large stake in Libya's oil fields. Gaddafi has threatened to torch the oil fields if he gets forced out. UN wants Gaddafi replaced with another government that will keep the oil flowing. It's not really about democracy. IMO, it's more complex than that. Openly supporting dictators is political suicide in EU countries and probably isn't a plus in the US either. | ||
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