On February 01 2011 13:47 FuzzyJAM wrote: Pigs are generally considered more intelligent than dogs and yet I bet most of those making a fuss will eat bacon happily enough. It seems like the cull was carried out pretty poorly so I can see that being an issue, but the actual killing of useless animals that no one wants to care for isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.
Ah well, people are almost always illogical when it comes to animals they like.
I promise you, if these dogs were killed in a humane manner and then processed for food, I would have no ethical problems with it. I would feel a little automatic revulsion, simply because I've come to see dogs as pets, but I can realize that this is illogical. That is not what happened here. This is the kind of situation where one might apply the phrase "senseless waste of life." These dogs were killed in a cruel manner with absolutely no justification for their deaths. It only happened because they stopped being useful, and their owners were too lazy or shortsighted to find a solution.
On February 01 2011 14:02 ReaverDrop! wrote: What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
Okay, at this point you're just speaking nonsense. It looks like you didn't even read the article. If you did, you'd have seen this quotation, right at the very beginning.
“Any dog sledder who culls dogs at the end of a season should be culled himself, as far as we’re concerned,” said Paul McCormick, head dog sledding guide for Wilderness Adventures, a Toronto-based company that runs dog-sledding trips through Canada’s Algonquin Park.
“You don’t go out and cull dogs,” he said. “We’re part of the largest dog sled operation in the world with 40 dogs and we never cull dogs. We retire them, they’re adopted ... there are a lot of alternatives.”
Clearly, you do not understand the dog-sled tour business the way you're trying to imply. Culling is not an established practice in the dog-sledding business, and it seems that there are many different options for retiring dogs that are no longer needed for work. Inhumane killing is not any kind of option, never mind the only option. The kind of situation you're presenting is ridiculously overdramatic. You think that people who oppose this "love animals more than humans?" I think most of us would be much more angry if this company was killing humans instead of animals, but that doesn't mean we're okay with the wholesale slaughter of animals for human convenience. Even your slave analogy is useless, because severe mistreatment (nevermind murder) of slaves was illegal even in countries where black people were considered subhuman. It's obvious that nobody loved slaves more than the slave-owning classes, but it was not legal or accepted to just kill them just because they were no longer necessary.
You're seriously saying that you want to send people to jail because of the pain they're causing by accusing others of being grossly negligent with responsibilities that they chose to accept? Nobody forced this company to take on these dogs, and it is never acceptable to take on a burden that you can't handle. The fact that thinking, feeling creatures suffered for this irresponsibility makes it all the worse. And you go as far to say that these complaints "jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers."? I don't think you said anything in this post that isn't ridiculous. If somebody actually rests their well-being on gross negligence of accepted duties and a complete disregard for the welfare of living beings (human or otherwise), I don't feel the need to protect them. And to say that their lives are at risk, because we consider it unacceptable for them to kill off unwanted animals? That's...there's no rebuttal to that. It's just not true. You gave absolutely nothing to support such a huge claim, so I don't feel that I need to say anything to counter it.
Its humorous that you pretend to know anything about a business that you probably know nothing about due to a quote that shows a single part of a wide spread business that encapsulates much of our country. The quote in question in addition to similar quotes in this article are used to an effect that is known as, "Media manipulation", and as it seems to me you have allowed your own personal feeling to mask what is truly reasonable and intelligent.
If you had TRULY read the entire thing you would have seen these important and sobering words,"The huskies, weighing about 40 to 50 pounds, were used for dog sled tours during the 2010 Winter Olympics, but were uneconomic to keep after the Games were over and the tourists went home." Though these words come also from the news company I believe that it is probably one of the only true statements made. It is extremely uneconomical to take care of 40-50 pound dogs who require feeding and watching, medicine, and exercise, every single day. It is quite frankly a shame that any man would have to waste his time with animals that are past their prime and useless. "Some of the dogs at the kennel have long since retired. The kennel has been unable to find homes for them because of their age, so they remain at the facility ". Relocation right? Adoption right? Where are the people who speak of adopting and protecting these weak animals when they are in need? They had plenty of time, years in fact, to adopt but some people don't realize just how hard it is to get rid of an animal. "Attempts were made to adopt out the dogs, but with only limited success."
"Lived at the same location as the dogs, handled hundreds of dogs. Occasionally he euthanized animals, using a gun, with the support of a veterinarian. ", Another quote showing that not only has this been going on for a LONG time but that it has not been documented until recently because the vultures that are the media knew that scooping up a headline such as "100 sled dogs shot when B.C. tour business slows", would certainly pay their bills for that much longer.
There is no play or drama here, only the truth that these men had bought animals to entertain and could not use them anymore, so they had to die, simple, it doesn't matter if they feel pain, they're animals our slaves as I said, not HUMAN slaves, animal slaves, Don't bring humanity down to the level of animals and pretend like we are nothing more than animals. We are the alpha, the omega, Number 1!, and we always will be because the animals serve us not the other way around. I shouldn't have to explain such a simple concept as, humans are above animals to you, and that in any way shape or form that animals shall not hinder our progress forward, irregardless of what we have to do to get rid of them.
These hard working people who get trashed for working hard lose their business that they rely on and you have to say that you wouldn't protect them, simply because their business is DOGS?, I have been called heartless but it truly takes a cold heart to put a man out in the cold because you feel that because his business isn't successful,and he should receive no mercy for killing that which was holding him down to poverty.
I feel bad for these guys, doing fine for so many years, and losing their business after the Olympic business crash in Whistler and now they get this shitty media scandal that could've happened to anyone. This man is beaten and injured from his work, "Other dogs attacked him when he went to retrieve the body. ", and he carries this memory in his mind, probably not due to the way it was done, but due to the fact that the veterinarian who usually helps didn't arrive for one reason or another, "A veterinarian was contacted but refused to euthanize healthy animals.". If anything this man should receive praise for being able to actually fight through that many dogs to protect the well being of his company and employees who work to keep our country out of the red.
To any who oppose what this man did, understand that your freedom to read an article and take it at face value rather than thinking about it, truly shows a lack of integrity and patience for others, especially after speaking so vehemently about how bad someone who does this sort of thing as a regular job, in such a lowly way. Think before you let the media manipulate you, this is just a media story, the true details haven't even been released as of yet, What we are reading is a press release, something that is constructed far from what the law will find is the truth.
On February 01 2011 11:13 MapleFractal wrote: If the owners couldn't find home's for the animals I believe it would have been moral to have the animals put down. However the manner in which this was handled is disgusting, just another fine example of man's willingness to sacrifice moral ground to maximize profits. $100 to be a decent human being or $1 for a bullet. Oh well, its Canada killing dogs like that is a worse offense then selling weed. They will most likely get hit pretty hard in court.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
You're terrible . Humans are just animals too you know...
No , human's are not animal's. Animals are driven by instinct not emotions that you or I experience. We have the capability to be driven by instinct but one a whole were are different.
I didn't read the rest of this thread yet so i apologize if this had already been replied too... But, you Sir are just plain wrong(by genetics and just plain definition), I hate to inform you but humans(the only living species in the Homo genus of bipedal primates in Hominidae, the great ape family.) are just animals we are driven by primal instincts as much has we try to fight/hide it we are all animals. That being said we have developed higher standards for morals and whats 'Right' and ' Wrong' but to try and deny the fact that we are instinct driven animals is just simply foolish...
On February 01 2011 15:14 keynest wrote: Well, this certainly is a shame. Killing such large quantiy of companion and working animals is sad, but I don't get why people are so up in arms.
Millions of chicks die every year because they are born with wrong gender. Cows tilt and move plenty of stuff and "help us win wars", but are killed for their meat. Pigs benefit us with their amazing smells just like dogs but they are also killed for their meat. Even a beloved racing horse gets shot if it breaks a leg.
I have to ask why dogs are so special.
"dog = pig = ant = spider"
Might not be true,
But it's also hard to accept
" Dog > other animals"
There should be a really good justificaition for such special treatment, but I frankly don't see one.
We are outraged in which the manner they were killed. Completely inhumane and near torturous. If they were properly put down then i would still ask questions like "Is killing them the best option?" In some cases killing is the best option, like the horse you mentioned. But in this case i would think they could be given away.
My great uncle used to hunt bears for Alberta Fish&Wildlife whenever they asked him too (usually for overpopulating an area).
He used a pack of dogs, with one lab as the leader of the pack. The leader would track down a bear and when he found one the rest of the hounds would chase the bear back to my uncle. But one time my dad went with him and all of a sudden a deer darted infront of them, with the hounds chasing it. The lab came after and sat with his tail between his legs. My uncle (to my Dad's surprise) shot all of the hounds. Why? because he said once the dogs chase deer, they will never get another bear. And they were bred and trained to be mean for the job so he said they could never be pets after it, hence why he put them down. And he paid over a thousand bucks a piece for those dogs.
On February 01 2011 13:47 FuzzyJAM wrote: Pigs are generally considered more intelligent than dogs and yet I bet most of those making a fuss will eat bacon happily enough. It seems like the cull was carried out pretty poorly so I can see that being an issue, but the actual killing of useless animals that no one wants to care for isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.
Ah well, people are almost always illogical when it comes to animals they like.
I promise you, if these dogs were killed in a humane manner and then processed for food, I would have no ethical problems with it. I would feel a little automatic revulsion, simply because I've come to see dogs as pets, but I can realize that this is illogical. That is not what happened here. This is the kind of situation where one might apply the phrase "senseless waste of life." These dogs were killed in a cruel manner with absolutely no justification for their deaths. It only happened because they stopped being useful, and their owners were too lazy or shortsighted to find a solution.
On February 01 2011 14:02 ReaverDrop! wrote: What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
Okay, at this point you're just speaking nonsense. It looks like you didn't even read the article. If you did, you'd have seen this quotation, right at the very beginning.
“Any dog sledder who culls dogs at the end of a season should be culled himself, as far as we’re concerned,” said Paul McCormick, head dog sledding guide for Wilderness Adventures, a Toronto-based company that runs dog-sledding trips through Canada’s Algonquin Park.
“You don’t go out and cull dogs,” he said. “We’re part of the largest dog sled operation in the world with 40 dogs and we never cull dogs. We retire them, they’re adopted ... there are a lot of alternatives.”
Clearly, you do not understand the dog-sled tour business the way you're trying to imply. Culling is not an established practice in the dog-sledding business, and it seems that there are many different options for retiring dogs that are no longer needed for work. Inhumane killing is not any kind of option, never mind the only option. The kind of situation you're presenting is ridiculously overdramatic. You think that people who oppose this "love animals more than humans?" I think most of us would be much more angry if this company was killing humans instead of animals, but that doesn't mean we're okay with the wholesale slaughter of animals for human convenience. Even your slave analogy is useless, because severe mistreatment (nevermind murder) of slaves was illegal even in countries where black people were considered subhuman. It's obvious that nobody loved slaves more than the slave-owning classes, but it was not legal or accepted to just kill them just because they were no longer necessary.
You're seriously saying that you want to send people to jail because of the pain they're causing by accusing others of being grossly negligent with responsibilities that they chose to accept? Nobody forced this company to take on these dogs, and it is never acceptable to take on a burden that you can't handle. The fact that thinking, feeling creatures suffered for this irresponsibility makes it all the worse. And you go as far to say that these complaints "jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers."? I don't think you said anything in this post that isn't ridiculous. If somebody actually rests their well-being on gross negligence of accepted duties and a complete disregard for the welfare of living beings (human or otherwise), I don't feel the need to protect them. And to say that their lives are at risk, because we consider it unacceptable for them to kill off unwanted animals? That's...there's no rebuttal to that. It's just not true. You gave absolutely nothing to support such a huge claim, so I don't feel that I need to say anything to counter it.
Its humorous that you pretend to know anything about a business that you probably know nothing about due to a quote that shows a single part of a wide spread business that encapsulates much of our country. The quote in question in addition to similar quotes in this article are used to an effect that is known as, "Media manipulation", and as it seems to me you have allowed your own personal feeling to mask what is truly reasonable and intelligent.
If you had TRULY read the entire thing you would have seen these important and sobering words,"The huskies, weighing about 40 to 50 pounds, were used for dog sled tours during the 2010 Winter Olympics, but were uneconomic to keep after the Games were over and the tourists went home." Though these words come also from the news company I believe that it is probably one of the only true statements made. It is extremely uneconomical to take care of 40-50 pound dogs who require feeding and watching, medicine, and exercise, every single day. It is quite frankly a shame that any man would have to waste his time with animals that are past their prime and useless. "Some of the dogs at the kennel have long since retired. The kennel has been unable to find homes for them because of their age, so they remain at the facility ". Relocation right? Adoption right? Where are the people who speak of adopting and protecting these weak animals when they are in need? They had plenty of time, years in fact, to adopt but some people don't realize just how hard it is to get rid of an animal. "Attempts were made to adopt out the dogs, but with only limited success."
"Lived at the same location as the dogs, handled hundreds of dogs. Occasionally he euthanized animals, using a gun, with the support of a veterinarian. ", Another quote showing that not only has this been going on for a LONG time but that it has not been documented until recently because the vultures that are the media knew that scooping up a headline such as "100 sled dogs shot when B.C. tour business slows", would certainly pay their bills for that much longer.
There is no play or drama here, only the truth that these men had bought animals to entertain and could not use them anymore, so they had to die, simple, it doesn't matter if they feel pain, they're animals our slaves as I said, not HUMAN slaves, animal slaves, Don't bring humanity down to the level of animals and pretend like we are nothing more than animals. We are the alpha, the omega, Number 1!, and we always will be because the animals serve us not the other way around. I shouldn't have to explain such a simple concept as, humans are above animals to you, and that in any way shape or form that animals shall not hinder our progress forward, irregardless of what we have to do to get rid of them.
These hard working people who get trashed for working hard lose their business that they rely on and you have to say that you wouldn't protect them, simply because their business is DOGS?, I have been called heartless but it truly takes a cold heart to put a man out in the cold because you feel that because his business isn't successful,and he should receive no mercy for killing that which was holding him down to poverty.
I feel bad for these guys, doing fine for so many years, and losing their business after the Olympic business crash in Whistler and now they get this shitty media scandal that could've happened to anyone. This man is beaten and injured from his work, "Other dogs attacked him when he went to retrieve the body. ", and he carries this memory in his mind, probably not due to the way it was done, but due to the fact that the veterinarian who usually helps didn't arrive for one reason or another, "A veterinarian was contacted but refused to euthanize healthy animals.". If anything this man should receive praise for being able to actually fight through that many dogs to protect the well being of his company and employees who work to keep our country out of the red.
To any who oppose what this man did, understand that your freedom to read an article and take it at face value rather than thinking about it, truly shows a lack of integrity and patience for others, especially after speaking so vehemently about how bad someone who does this sort of thing as a regular job, in such a lowly way. Think before you let the media manipulate you, this is just a media story, the true details haven't even been released as of yet, What we are reading is a press release, something that is constructed far from what the law will find is the truth.
No need to kill animals humanely, not like they feel pain or anything right? But then that might hurt the bottom-line, right? Oh shit my bad, having my own opinion that differs from your own makes me a slave of the evil media. I wish I could think about things like you, but I'm too busy being a mindless drone...
As an owner of multiple dogs myself, I think it was definitely wrong to kill the dogs in that manner, but, as many other people have said, they're still animals like any other, and I'm not particularly offended or angry about them being killed. The manner of death on the other hand, was pretty brutal and no animal should go through something like that. A clean shot to the head or an injection or something would have done just as well and would be far more humane, and should only have been done if there was no other way to get rid of the dogs (give them away, whatever).
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
Humans are just animals, they might as well be the property of the person who births them. Especially while they're just a baby and stupid what the owner does to them is nobody's business as far as I'm concerned.
Why should man expect his prayer for mercy to be heard by What is above him when he shows no mercy to what is under him? ~Pierre Troubetzkoy
The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to the other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creatures that cannot. ~Mark Twain, What Is Man, 1906
Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit your dog would go in and you would stay out. Of all the creatures ever made [man] is the most detestable. Of the entire brood, he is the only one... that possesses malice. He is the only creature that inflicts pain for sport, knowing it to be pain. ~Mark Twain
Very little of the great cruelty shown by men can really be attributed to cruel instinct. Most of it comes from thoughtlessness or inherited habit. The roots of cruelty, therefore, are not so much strong as widespread. But the time must come when inhumanity protected by custom and thoughtlessness will succumb before humanity championed by thought. Let us work that this time may come. ~Albert Schweitzer
A short fuse to scatter steady hands if I forget to remember that better lives have been lived in the margins, locked in the prisons and lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in palaces. [whispered It's not your fault, there's nothing we can do, it's just the way it is, there's nothing we can do. - Propagandhi
some intellectually stimulating perspectives of animal rights, propagandhi is awesome. (caution start of the audio in the video may be disturbing)
It's a pity to mention the nazi's but this is rather reminiscient of autshwitz (whatever the spelling) isn't it? And I for one have seen far too many Graham Chapman type comments on this thread.
EDIT: meant in broad terms of industrialisation of death without regards to humane methods not intending to offend anyone in any way, it was just a metaphor. While I'm here I should probably explain what a ''graham chapman comment'' is + Show Spoiler +
Graham Chapman was a member of Monty Python, the famous comedy show. When the troop was on tour in Germany (still not long after the war) they went to see autshwitz. They asked to go in and were refused. Graham Chapman then proceded to yell out (to his english speaking guides and he was also exceedingly drunk at the time) ''Tell ém we're Jewish!''
On February 01 2011 16:19 valheru wrote: It's a pity to mention the nazi's but this is rather reminiscient of autshwitz (whatever the spelling) isn't it? And I for one have seen far too many Graham Chapman type comments on this thread.
I hope you mean that in the most general way possible. Not even going to discuss it.
I am by no means an animal rights activist, but this is pretty wasteful and unnatural. You'd think in today's world if you absolutely HAD to do away with a living creature, you'd have the courtesy to put away civilly and swiftly. Some of the stuff doesn't make any sense in there.
But ultimately, I agree with this guy.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
As disgusting as it is, it didn't shock me as much as the article published a few weeks ago reporting that they buried alive millions of pigs in our beloved South Korea. I couldn't stop thinking about it. How did they fucking buried alive millions of pigs ? Just thinking about huge bulldozers pushing alive pigs like a mountain of garbage in a big hole made me sick
Poor dogs. Because of the very simple fact that money > life.
Supposedly killed in a "humane" manner... What a fucking joke.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
I'd have thought in this day and age, people were less heartless than this. If not, I've really lost my faith in humanity.
If a human is unable to recognize a sled dog as a living being, I just don't believe he should have the right to own one. Simple as that.
On February 01 2011 13:47 FuzzyJAM wrote: Pigs are generally considered more intelligent than dogs and yet I bet most of those making a fuss will eat bacon happily enough. It seems like the cull was carried out pretty poorly so I can see that being an issue, but the actual killing of useless animals that no one wants to care for isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.
Ah well, people are almost always illogical when it comes to animals they like.
I promise you, if these dogs were killed in a humane manner and then processed for food, I would have no ethical problems with it. I would feel a little automatic revulsion, simply because I've come to see dogs as pets, but I can realize that this is illogical. That is not what happened here. This is the kind of situation where one might apply the phrase "senseless waste of life." These dogs were killed in a cruel manner with absolutely no justification for their deaths. It only happened because they stopped being useful, and their owners were too lazy or shortsighted to find a solution.
On February 01 2011 14:02 ReaverDrop! wrote: What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
Okay, at this point you're just speaking nonsense. It looks like you didn't even read the article. If you did, you'd have seen this quotation, right at the very beginning.
“Any dog sledder who culls dogs at the end of a season should be culled himself, as far as we’re concerned,” said Paul McCormick, head dog sledding guide for Wilderness Adventures, a Toronto-based company that runs dog-sledding trips through Canada’s Algonquin Park.
“You don’t go out and cull dogs,” he said. “We’re part of the largest dog sled operation in the world with 40 dogs and we never cull dogs. We retire them, they’re adopted ... there are a lot of alternatives.”
Clearly, you do not understand the dog-sled tour business the way you're trying to imply. Culling is not an established practice in the dog-sledding business, and it seems that there are many different options for retiring dogs that are no longer needed for work. Inhumane killing is not any kind of option, never mind the only option. The kind of situation you're presenting is ridiculously overdramatic. You think that people who oppose this "love animals more than humans?" I think most of us would be much more angry if this company was killing humans instead of animals, but that doesn't mean we're okay with the wholesale slaughter of animals for human convenience. Even your slave analogy is useless, because severe mistreatment (nevermind murder) of slaves was illegal even in countries where black people were considered subhuman. It's obvious that nobody loved slaves more than the slave-owning classes, but it was not legal or accepted to just kill them just because they were no longer necessary.
You're seriously saying that you want to send people to jail because of the pain they're causing by accusing others of being grossly negligent with responsibilities that they chose to accept? Nobody forced this company to take on these dogs, and it is never acceptable to take on a burden that you can't handle. The fact that thinking, feeling creatures suffered for this irresponsibility makes it all the worse. And you go as far to say that these complaints "jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers."? I don't think you said anything in this post that isn't ridiculous. If somebody actually rests their well-being on gross negligence of accepted duties and a complete disregard for the welfare of living beings (human or otherwise), I don't feel the need to protect them. And to say that their lives are at risk, because we consider it unacceptable for them to kill off unwanted animals? That's...there's no rebuttal to that. It's just not true. You gave absolutely nothing to support such a huge claim, so I don't feel that I need to say anything to counter it.
Its humorous that you pretend to know anything about a business that you probably know nothing about due to a quote that shows a single part of a wide spread business that encapsulates much of our country. The quote in question in addition to similar quotes in this article are used to an effect that is known as, "Media manipulation", and as it seems to me you have allowed your own personal feeling to mask what is truly reasonable and intelligent.
Dog sledding is popular not only in Canada, there are sledding companies in Sweden/Norway/Finland. Mass culling by a person not trained to do this using a rifle without a vet present is neither reasonable nor intelligent.
If you had TRULY read the entire thing you would have seen these important and sobering words,"The huskies, weighing about 40 to 50 pounds, were used for dog sled tours during the 2010 Winter Olympics, but were uneconomic to keep after the Games were over and the tourists went home." Though these words come also from the news company I believe that it is probably one of the only true statements made. It is extremely uneconomical to take care of 40-50 pound dogs who require feeding and watching, medicine, and exercise, every single day. It is quite frankly a shame that any man would have to waste his time with animals that are past their prime and useless. "Some of the dogs at the kennel have long since retired. The kennel has been unable to find homes for them because of their age, so they remain at the facility ". Relocation right? Adoption right? Where are the people who speak of adopting and protecting these weak animals when they are in need? They had plenty of time, years in fact, to adopt but some people don't realize just how hard it is to get rid of an animal. "Attempts were made to adopt out the dogs, but with only limited success."
They where put down in April 2010, as far as i recall the olympic games ended just before March 2010, so they tried for about a month?
But yes, putting down old workign dogs no longer able to perform is not morally wrong. But when you own animals you are responsible for them, and responsible for making the killing as humane as possible.
"Lived at the same location as the dogs, handled hundreds of dogs. Occasionally he euthanized animals, using a gun, with the support of a veterinarian. ", Another quote showing that not only has this been going on for a LONG time but that it has not been documented until recently because the vultures that are the media knew that scooping up a headline such as "100 sled dogs shot when B.C. tour business slows", would certainly pay their bills for that much longer.
Euthanizing one animal with a vet present is a hell of a lot different than eutanizing 100 animals without a vet present.
There is no play or drama here, only the truth that these men had bought animals to entertain and could not use them anymore, so they had to die, simple, it doesn't matter if they feel pain, they're animals our slaves as I said, not HUMAN slaves, animal slaves, Don't bring humanity down to the level of animals and pretend like we are nothing more than animals. We are the alpha, the omega, Number 1!, and we always will be because the animals serve us not the other way around. I shouldn't have to explain such a simple concept as, humans are above animals to you, and that in any way shape or form that animals shall not hinder our progress forward, irregardless of what we have to do to get rid of them.
This statement is just absurd to me, what about moral, laws and responisbility? If you take in an animal, for any reason, you also take on a responsibility. Even if you personally think you can do anything at all to that animal frankly you are wrong, I and several others disagree with you we WILL hold you accountable for your actions towards your animals. If i see a man kick his dog i will interfere. If i hear about a company slaughtering 100 dogs for no reason without proper education/preparation i expect the police to interfere.
Humans are above dogs, yes, but this does not only mean privileges, it also means responisbilities.
These hard working people who get trashed for working hard lose their business that they rely on and you have to say that you wouldn't protect them, simply because their business is DOGS?, I have been called heartless but it truly takes a cold heart to put a man out in the cold because you feel that because his business isn't successful,and he should receive no mercy for killing that which was holding him down to poverty.
They are getting trashed because they are running thier business in an imoral fashion, I have no problem what so ever to put them out in the cold because of thier actions. They had responsibilities towards the animals they owned, they ignored thoose responsibilities and instead of trying to pin blame they should man up and pay for thier mistakes.
I feel bad for these guys, doing fine for so many years, and losing their business after the Olympic business crash in Whistler and now they get this shitty media scandal that could've happened to anyone. This man is beaten and injured from his work, "Other dogs attacked him when he went to retrieve the body. ", and he carries this memory in his mind, probably not due to the way it was done, but due to the fact that the veterinarian who usually helps didn't arrive for one reason or another, "A veterinarian was contacted but refused to euthanize healthy animals.". If anything this man should receive praise for being able to actually fight through that many dogs to protect the well being of his company and employees who work to keep our country out of the red.
That man should have realised that something is not right about this when the vet refused to assist. He should not recieve praise, he should be punished for what he did. "keeping your country out of the red", you do realise that this is a tourism buisness right? How good PR do you think this is? How many future tourists are as we speak changing thier mind and not going to Canada on vacation? Or skipping the planned dog-sledding tour?
The ecenomic damage done to Canadas tourism could be massive, THAT is the main reason every other sledding company are publicly condemning this. He is not a hero of the Canadian workforce, he is a fool working for a cheap company who does not think about the consequences of thier actions before doing them. I bet every other sledding company right now are pissed off because of the bad publicity.
To any who oppose what this man did, understand that your freedom to read an article and take it at face value rather than thinking about it, truly shows a lack of integrity and patience for others, especially after speaking so vehemently about how bad someone who does this sort of thing as a regular job, in such a lowly way. Think before you let the media manipulate you, this is just a media story, the true details haven't even been released as of yet, What we are reading is a press release, something that is constructed far from what the law will find is the truth.
And when the details all come out i might change my mind, right now my opinion is based in the information at hand, and based on that i condemn this man and the company he works for. What of it? I do not suggest he goes to jail because of public opinion, but there are always more information to be had so we can only form opinions on the information we have now and keep an open mind in case of future revelations.
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. Humans are just animals too you know...
