On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How did this post not get a ban or at least a warning?
1) Inconsistent with basic morality 2) Inconsistent with the law 3) Probably a troll 4) If not 3, a terrible terrible person who I would want no affiliation with... I'm surprised TL mods don't feel the same way about this...
Why is it inconsistent with the law? The law in our country states that any animal killed for reasons that are not cruel, irregardless of the amount, is completely legal.
Its nuts like you that belong in a tree, talking about emotions when it comes to basic human reasoning. If it weren't for the millions of hours that farmers put into killing animals, working fields, and taking the best out of animals that would die in what seems like a heartbeat in the wilderness, we wouldn't have any food.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves. Maybe you don't like the term but its the truth and that's how it has always been for logical and correct reasons. Your food won't just pop magically up in the supermarket when you want it, a man has to toil from the earth to get it. Now you criticize those who work hard and put their face in the dirt for our country?
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
Why are you asking for a ban or a warning? If you don't feel comfortable with the opinions of others you should just leave.
Disclaimer, I love dogs, and if anyone touched my Zoey, I'd hurt them really badly, but I mean.. Sigh, this is sad and all, but everyone here is completely wrong imo. The same type of people trying to get involved in this is the reason why whale wars is so popular. ( I love whales, and think they're magnificent creatures am awed by them ) . Those people on their giant boats are taking the law into their own hands and committing piracy. As such, despite their oh-so noble cause, they're wrong. The Japanese are not breaking any law, despite the bullshit those dumbass captains are trying to feed you. The damn near same concept goes with this. These dogs are property, and I am going to agree with a few others in that that no one cries when they eat a burger, or fish, or their bacon. You think those are killed humanely? No, they're killed quickest, most efficient, and most cost-effective way. The two obvious major differences here were , a) the person who killed them was clearly an idiot with no idea what the hell he was doing and should be punished for not killing them instantly after he brought harm upon them, and b) there weren't any walls to protect the poor eyes of the awe-stricken community. Everyone is falling victim to the media. Because this is a subject everyone can feel bad about, everyone believes everything they hear. Keep in mind, the media is trying to make money, get hits, and sell newspapers, and they'll do it anyway possible.
For instance, 'The Orlando Sentinel', no one hates the Orlando Magic more than our newspaper.
EDIT: Mass euthanizng of animals is not always an option, especially in a place where tourism is your main source of income, with your business being sled tours. You think these people are rich? You think they make 40 grand a year? You think they have the money for lethal injection of 100 dogs? They don't have to put the effort into finding a volunteer because the dogs are their property. (Again, wrong, but who am I to tell him what to do with his money and property)
You think the media would be all over this for a mass killing of 100 bunnies? squirrels? birds? cows? wolves? Mosquitoes? Turkeys? Deer? Chickens? No, the only reason they make this public is because it's dogs. What about mass killings of Eagles? Monkeys? Baby Giraffes? Siberian Tigers? Great White Shards? Manatees? Yep. (Yes endangered species are listed, but that doesn't change my point)
Please please please don't fall victim to this media crap, because that's where our generation is going I fear. Believing what the media feeds us.
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
I'm just shocked silent as to how you can think like that. The first thing you go to is how bad it must be to be that guy and waste your time with this? Not the fact that he's killings dogs in the most disgusting ways imaginable. Him massacring 100 sled dogs who now have no sleds to pull is in no way going to move canada forward, if anything backwards.
Mass euthanasia should've been the absolute last option on the list. And if it was the only option then it should've been done humanely. If they couldn't afford a humane way then they don't kill the dogs. Simple as that. Also no one should've been forced to do what he did. They should've had some professional do it. Not someone who probably worked with the dogs everyday and grew bonds with them.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How did this post not get a ban or at least a warning?
1) Inconsistent with basic morality 2) Inconsistent with the law 3) Probably a troll 4) If not 3, a terrible terrible person who I would want no affiliation with... I'm surprised TL mods don't feel the same way about this...
Why is it inconsistent with the law? The law in our country states that any animal killed for reasons that are not cruel, irregardless of the amount, is completely legal.
Its nuts like you that belong in a tree, talking about emotions when it comes to basic human reasoning. If it weren't for the millions of hours that farmers put into killing animals, working fields, and taking the best out of animals that would die in what seems like a heartbeat in the wilderness, we wouldn't have any food.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves. Maybe you don't like the term but its the truth and that's how it has always been for logical and correct reasons. Your food won't just pop magically up in the supermarket when you want it, a man has to toil from the earth to get it. Now you criticize those who work hard and put their face in the dirt for our country?
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
Why are you asking for a ban or a warning? If you don't feel comfortable with the opinions of others you should just leave.
Killing 100 SLED dogs is moving Canada forward? How? What? I don't understand how your brain works.
Sled dogs aren't farm animals. I wouldn't care if they killed 100 chickens.. but 100 sled dogs? Intelligent animals? Are you too illiterate to tell the difference?
I honestly hope all canadians dont have similiar though processes, but its starting to look that way in this thread.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves
Try to convince any animal rights or perhaps the fucking police that killing 100 intelligent, thoughtful beings is morally or remotely right. They aren't your 'slaves'.. if you treat your dog like a slave then give me your address so I can have someone take your dog away from you.
And if your original argument was that it's ok for farmers to kill animals then fine.. that has absolutely no relevance to this thread because sled dogs aren't farm animals . Think before you post, thanks.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How did this post not get a ban or at least a warning?
1) Inconsistent with basic morality 2) Inconsistent with the law 3) Probably a troll 4) If not 3, a terrible terrible person who I would want no affiliation with... I'm surprised TL mods don't feel the same way about this...
Why is it inconsistent with the law? The law in our country states that any animal killed for reasons that are not cruel, irregardless of the amount, is completely legal.
Its nuts like you that belong in a tree, talking about emotions when it comes to basic human reasoning. If it weren't for the millions of hours that farmers put into killing animals, working fields, and taking the best out of animals that would die in what seems like a heartbeat in the wilderness, we wouldn't have any food.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves. Maybe you don't like the term but its the truth and that's how it has always been for logical and correct reasons. Your food won't just pop magically up in the supermarket when you want it, a man has to toil from the earth to get it. Now you criticize those who work hard and put their face in the dirt for our country?
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
Why are you asking for a ban or a warning? If you don't feel comfortable with the opinions of others you should just leave.
Killing 100 SLED dogs is moving Canada forward? How? What? I don't understand how your brain works.
Sled dogs aren't farm animals. I wouldn't care if they killed 100 chickens.. but 100 sled dogs? Intelligent animals? Are you too illiterate to tell the difference?
I honestly hope all canadians dont have similiar though processes, but its starting to look that way in this thread.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves
Try to convince any animal rights or perhaps the fucking police that killing 100 intelligent, thoughtful beings is morally or remotely right. They aren't your 'slaves'.. if you treat your dog like a slave then give me your address so I can have someone take your dog away from you.
We kill pigs all the time and they are more intelligent than dogs, so the intelligence part is kind of a bad argument, However, I completely agree with you. There is nothing good about slaughtering animals, if it absolutely had to be done, then do it in a "humane manner", but sounds like they didn't even bother trying to take the dogs to a no kill shelter, let alone a kill shelter first. Some of these dogs probably had decent chances at finding a home or family before being put down. These people just wanted to get the dogs out of their hair so they didn't have to pay or worry about them. Sounds kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
What I hate worse about reading sick shit like this, is reading what people post. Yeah, I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you can think what you want, and that's cool. But when I read people saying things like "they're just animals" and "it doesn't matter, who cares" it just really gets to me. Maybe it's my love for animals that makes me fail to comprehend how people can just be so careless about situations like this and not give a shit, but it makes me feel absolutely terrible and angry how some people can't have just a sliver of sympathy, and they simply don't give a fuck. I will never understand where some people get their logic from.
the reason this story seems so poignant is because they are dogs, "man's best friend". honestly, if you have no qualms about eating beef i cant see how you could be angry at this. yes it sucks that the dogs were killed inhumanely, but was there a cheaper alternative for the owner, assuming he could not keep or sell the dogs?
Pigs are generally considered more intelligent than dogs and yet I bet most of those making a fuss will eat bacon happily enough. It seems like the cull was carried out pretty poorly so I can see that being an issue, but the actual killing of useless animals that no one wants to care for isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.
Ah well, people are almost always illogical when it comes to animals they like.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How did this post not get a ban or at least a warning?
1) Inconsistent with basic morality 2) Inconsistent with the law 3) Probably a troll 4) If not 3, a terrible terrible person who I would want no affiliation with... I'm surprised TL mods don't feel the same way about this...
Why is it inconsistent with the law? The law in our country states that any animal killed for reasons that are not cruel, irregardless of the amount, is completely legal.
Its nuts like you that belong in a tree, talking about emotions when it comes to basic human reasoning. If it weren't for the millions of hours that farmers put into killing animals, working fields, and taking the best out of animals that would die in what seems like a heartbeat in the wilderness, we wouldn't have any food.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves. Maybe you don't like the term but its the truth and that's how it has always been for logical and correct reasons. Your food won't just pop magically up in the supermarket when you want it, a man has to toil from the earth to get it. Now you criticize those who work hard and put their face in the dirt for our country?
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
Why are you asking for a ban or a warning? If you don't feel comfortable with the opinions of others you should just leave.
Killing 100 SLED dogs is moving Canada forward? How? What? I don't understand how your brain works.
Sled dogs aren't farm animals. I wouldn't care if they killed 100 chickens.. but 100 sled dogs? Intelligent animals? Are you too illiterate to tell the difference?
I honestly hope all canadians dont have similiar though processes, but its starting to look that way in this thread.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves
Try to convince any animal rights or perhaps the fucking police that killing 100 intelligent, thoughtful beings is morally or remotely right. They aren't your 'slaves'.. if you treat your dog like a slave then give me your address so I can have someone take your dog away from you.
And if your original argument was that it's ok for farmers to kill animals then fine.. that has absolutely no relevance to this thread because sled dogs aren't farm animals . Think before you post, thanks.
Chickens are also "intelligent, thoughtful" beings as are fish and cows and Laptops.
The degree of 'intelligence' or amount of 'thought' may vary between a dog and a laptop, but don't imply that there is no mental type activity in the chicken or the fish... or for that matter in the proteins-DNA interactions of a bacteria. (no neurons, but why is that the only way 'intelligence' can be expressed)
Although sad I can't help but disagree with the people complaining about this. On a farm when a dog is past it's point of use you put it down, the sled dogs are farm dogs. These dogs where born raised and trained outside. You could never find enough houses with the right amount of space for these dogs and would you rather see them die like this or in a puddle of their own piss I a 4x4 foot cage in some SPCA.
first of all, i find this whole affair distasteful.
but i still have to say this. humans are animals but animals are not humans. think about it. if a dog with broken legs and a baby were drowning, which would you save? i don't think anybody here would be able to justify saving the dog instead of the baby to themselves personally. there is still a fundamental difference.
that being said, i don't believe animals should be treated cruelly for no reason. but let's be honest, where are you going to find 100 households for dogs every time something like this happens? thousands of animals are euthanized because people want to buy their pets from pet stores rather than adopt from pounds. this is reality. and lethal injection.. they're already afraid of losing money; i doubt they would invest so many resources getting rid of assets that they no longer want.
On February 01 2011 10:58 ReaverDrop! wrote: They're just animals, they are the property of the man who owns them, what he does to them is nobodies business as far as I'm concerned.
How did this post not get a ban or at least a warning?
1) Inconsistent with basic morality 2) Inconsistent with the law 3) Probably a troll 4) If not 3, a terrible terrible person who I would want no affiliation with... I'm surprised TL mods don't feel the same way about this...
Why is it inconsistent with the law? The law in our country states that any animal killed for reasons that are not cruel, irregardless of the amount, is completely legal.
Its nuts like you that belong in a tree, talking about emotions when it comes to basic human reasoning. If it weren't for the millions of hours that farmers put into killing animals, working fields, and taking the best out of animals that would die in what seems like a heartbeat in the wilderness, we wouldn't have any food.
We give animals safety and security, worthless as they are to us otherwise, they owe us their lives, and they will always be our slaves. Maybe you don't like the term but its the truth and that's how it has always been for logical and correct reasons. Your food won't just pop magically up in the supermarket when you want it, a man has to toil from the earth to get it. Now you criticize those who work hard and put their face in the dirt for our country?
I feel true regret at the fact that a man who lives a regular life had to put so much effort in to kill 100 dogs but at least he's doing his part to keep the country moving forward and not dwelling on what to do with 100 now useless animals.
Why are you asking for a ban or a warning? If you don't feel comfortable with the opinions of others you should just leave.
First off its very naive and simple minded to insist that emotions and reason are mutually exclusive terms. Having studied philosophy (mostly philosophy of logic and moral theory btw) for years, it is pretty apparent that just about anyone who is a thoughtful and well-educated person (in the field) is well aware of this. (Yes i'm aware that this is a an appeal to authority but its a lot shorter than explaining all of the reasons why that standpoint is wrong). Thats a complete aside however since you're either trolling and/or have a severe social disorder. Either way best of luck to ya bud.
Please will some mod look at this guy's post history. All of them are trolly garbage except for one where he asks for free stuff from someone who was giving away games for christmas.
On February 01 2011 13:51 GypsyBeast wrote: Although sad I can't help but disagree with the people complaining about this. On a farm when a dog is past it's point of use you put it down, the sled dogs are farm dogs. These dogs where born raised and trained outside. You could never find enough houses with the right amount of space for these dogs and would you rather see them die like this or in a puddle of their own piss I a 4x4 foot cage in some SPCA.
So blowing therirheads off was ok? Did you even read the thread fully? I'm amazed at the general ignorance in the responses to this thread.
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