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What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
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this is not news because they are dogs..
Millions of dogs are killed every year at shelters.. including greyhounds which are bred just for people's entertainment and then slaughtered when they are no longer wanted. This is news because of the way they are killed. Killing animals should be done by somebody that knows what they are doing, not but a random guy with a shovel.
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On February 01 2011 14:06 BlackJack wrote:
this is not news because they are dogs..
Millions of dogs are killed every year at shelters.. including greyhounds which are bred just for people's entertainment and then slaughtered when they are no longer wanted. This is news because of the way they are killed. Killing animals should be done by somebody that knows what they are doing, not but a random guy with a shovel.
Agreed,
5,469 people died in Africa prematurely today.
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On February 01 2011 14:06 BlackJack wrote:
this is not news because they are dogs..
Millions of dogs are killed every year at shelters.. including greyhounds which are bred just for people's entertainment and then slaughtered when they are no longer wanted. This is news because of the way they are killed. Killing animals should be done by somebody that knows what they are doing, not but a random guy with a shovel.
Random guy with a gun, who has euthanized dogs before, but also had veterinary assistance doing it.
I think the company pressured him to do it despite the fact the veterinarian that was going to assist him refused to do it. The holes in this story lead me to believe that. They "expected" my ass. If you expect it, have it done right, or don't have it done at all.
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On February 01 2011 14:02 ReaverDrop! wrote:
What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
You're pretty fucking ignorant. No one cares that you're a hard ass wanna be farmer. Read the post. You can honestly justify 100 dogs getting slaughtered (that doesn't mean getting put to sleep IE the HUMANE way to kill an animal that needs to be put down), by guns some requiring multiple shots.. heads blown off etc. That's not humane, now reflect on your little brain and try to justify it again now than you understand the context.
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers. [/quote]
So intelligent humans (ie people who don't make posts like you) who want to defend intelligent beings from slaughter love animals more than humans? ... no they just love animals. They also love humans. Thoughtful people just don't support the mindless and shortsighted slaughter. Again, if they were actually put to sleep then it would be a lot less big of a deal.
And finally, stop trying to represent "Canada" with your narrow and coldhearted thought processes. There's plenty of "Canadians" in this thread who don't support mindless slaughter. You may think everyone else thinks like you, and if they don't their 'treehuggers', but no, they just aren't thickheaded and respect life.
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I have to say, it's a bit ironic that the level of outrage on TL.net (a site devoted to a gaming culture native to a country that EATS dogs), is much higher than I've seen on any other online outlet.
That being said, this is still sickening, and action should be taken.
EDIT: Just out of curiosity, for the people who are saying, they're only dogs, who gives a shit, do you think dogs can't feel pain? Are their pain receptors any less effective than the ones that would be firing like mad if a human had his face shot off by some no-aiming backwoods Canuck with rusty revolver?
I'm no bleeding heart. I've hunted animals from deer to doves, but I respect the animals and the sport. This kind of thing is as sick as "canned" hunting.
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On February 01 2011 13:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Pigs are generally considered more intelligent than dogs and yet I bet most of those making a fuss will eat bacon happily enough. It seems like the cull was carried out pretty poorly so I can see that being an issue, but the actual killing of useless animals that no one wants to care for isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned.
Ah well, people are almost always illogical when it comes to animals they like.
I promise you, if these dogs were killed in a humane manner and then processed for food, I would have no ethical problems with it. I would feel a little automatic revulsion, simply because I've come to see dogs as pets, but I can realize that this is illogical. That is not what happened here. This is the kind of situation where one might apply the phrase "senseless waste of life." These dogs were killed in a cruel manner with absolutely no justification for their deaths. It only happened because they stopped being useful, and their owners were too lazy or shortsighted to find a solution.
On February 01 2011 14:02 ReaverDrop! wrote:
What can I say but that some yuppies who live in the city will never know what its really like to work as hard as these men did. They have to put in the time and effort to provide a valuable service during a time of economic downturn.
The man who did this pleaded PTSD because he knew there would be a media shitstorm on his head if he didn't, he doesn't deserve this hatred.
I'm also trying to understand why the fuck Americans think their law is anything like our law or that any of the mass emotional bullshit verdicts that drop in the U.S.A are reflected in our legal system in the slightest?
The SPCA shouldn't have been given this case, they're rabid junkies looking for more "poor" animals to protect so they can spew ridiculous hatred onto others with the power that our government gave them. No doubt they protect animals from pointless destruction but in this case it makes no sense.
I see no cost effective alternative to culling, and to reason why its wrong, in a competitive environment like Whistler you need all the advantages you can get with business. You might think they're a big heartless corporation but as a matter of fact they're a small business that was driven to this due to a spike in business by the Olympics. Now they're probably fighting to just barely pay the rent and buy food and this scandal comes along to fuck them over?
I hate people who love animals more than humans, Hate, I would enjoy personally sending to jail every one of those son of a bitches who cause this type of pain to others without fully thinking the words that come out of their mouths. Freedom may allow you to say what you want but don't let your useless cry for emotional safety jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers.
Okay, at this point you're just speaking nonsense. It looks like you didn't even read the article. If you did, you'd have seen this quotation, right at the very beginning.
“Any dog sledder who culls dogs at the end of a season should be culled himself, as far as we’re concerned,” said Paul McCormick, head dog sledding guide for Wilderness Adventures, a Toronto-based company that runs dog-sledding trips through Canada’s Algonquin Park.
“You don’t go out and cull dogs,” he said. “We’re part of the largest dog sled operation in the world with 40 dogs and we never cull dogs. We retire them, they’re adopted ... there are a lot of alternatives.”
Clearly, you do not understand the dog-sled tour business the way you're trying to imply. Culling is not an established practice in the dog-sledding business, and it seems that there are many different options for retiring dogs that are no longer needed for work. Inhumane killing is not any kind of option, never mind the only option. The kind of situation you're presenting is ridiculously overdramatic. You think that people who oppose this "love animals more than humans?" I think most of us would be much more angry if this company was killing humans instead of animals, but that doesn't mean we're okay with the wholesale slaughter of animals for human convenience. Even your slave analogy is useless, because severe mistreatment (nevermind murder) of slaves was illegal even in countries where black people were considered subhuman. It's obvious that nobody loved slaves more than the slave-owning classes, but it was not legal or accepted to just kill them just because they were no longer necessary.
You're seriously saying that you want to send people to jail because of the pain they're causing by accusing others of being grossly negligent with responsibilities that they chose to accept? Nobody forced this company to take on these dogs, and it is never acceptable to take on a burden that you can't handle. The fact that thinking, feeling creatures suffered for this irresponsibility makes it all the worse. And you go as far to say that these complaints "jeopardize the well being and LIVES of many hard workers."? I don't think you said anything in this post that isn't ridiculous. If somebody actually rests their well-being on gross negligence of accepted duties and a complete disregard for the welfare of living beings (human or otherwise), I don't feel the need to protect them. And to say that their lives are at risk, because we consider it unacceptable for them to kill off unwanted animals? That's...there's no rebuttal to that. It's just not true. You gave absolutely nothing to support such a huge claim, so I don't feel that I need to say anything to counter it.
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On February 01 2011 10:48 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I bet nothing bad will even happen to them. You can pretty much torture and destroy an animal and get a very small time in prison or a small little fee and community service.
I killed 3 spiders and an ant today.
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On February 01 2011 14:24 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 10:48 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I bet nothing bad will even happen to them. You can pretty much torture and destroy an animal and get a very small time in prison or a small little fee and community service. I killed 3 spiders and an ant today.
Well, that's clearly relevant to this situation.
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On February 01 2011 14:24 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 10:48 Deadlyhazard wrote:
I bet nothing bad will even happen to them. You can pretty much torture and destroy an animal and get a very small time in prison or a small little fee and community service. I killed 3 spiders and an ant today.
What matters is if you kill them humanely.
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Anyways after freaking out a bit. I still don't understand why he would do that. They're dogs. Don't kill them. Imagine if it was you as the dog, I bet you wouldn't want to be killed by a random guy with a shovel right? Also why are people being so bitchy about these dogs and how the one person who killed all the dogs just jeopardized the peoples lives.
Few points here.
First. It takes a freaking lot of effort to train dogs. It's hard, and it takes a LOT of time.
Second. The dogs were killed, there goes all the trainers hard work and effort.
Third. The person who killed the dogs DID jeopardize some peoples lives. Those people, most likely the owners of the dog and business could have sold or at least found some way to use them.
Fourth. It's not legal to randomly kill animals.
Also ReaverDrop! what's wrong with you. Honestly. Why do you hate people who give affection to animals. Animals are great companions. Although we will never share the same connection with humans, they are still animals. Without them you would be screwed over anyways. Also why do you believe that there is no other cost effective alternative besides culling? I mean honestly, they could have been adopted OR SOMETHING! Killing them does nothing but letting them die uselessly.
Well dude who killed them. I hope you realize that you did something quite terrible. At least do it in some humane way next time. Just.
EDIT: Alright, i dunno why they ordered the cull actually. Wasn't pretty smart. Considering there were other alternatives to that. Well. That's fine. What's happened, has happened. You can't change that.
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My reading of it was that he hated the dozen or so people who said they'd like to shoot/torture/maim the guy who culled the dogs. That seems fairly reasonable to me, but I could be wrong.
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 I WOULD HAVE ADOPTED ONE
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if someone did that to my cats i'd have to rip someones scrotum off
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On February 01 2011 14:33 RyuChus wrote:
First. It takes a freaking lot of effort to train dogs. It's hard, and it takes a LOT of time.
Second. The dogs were killed, there goes all the trainers hard work and effort.
Apparently, according to the organization, their efforts were already wasted because these dogs were used mainly for tourism, and when the tourists left, the dogs had nothing to do. Also they apparently tried to consider the other solutions, according to the article, but I think the organization is the main fault here.
Third. The person who killed the dogs DID jeopardize some peoples lives. Those people, most likely the owners of the dog and business could have sold or at least found some way to use them.
He also jeapordized his own. He was attacked during it. And, while I'm not sure what the part about letting the leash go meant, but it seems like he wasn't too keen on this either. He wasn't supervised by a veterinarian (because the vet refused) when he was called in to do this, so I'm sure he felt out of his element.
Fourth. It's not legal to randomly kill animals.
It's not random, just inhumane.
Well dude who killed them. I hope you realize that you did something quite terrible. At least do it in some humane way next time. Just.
I don't believe what he did was intentional. I don't like it, it doesn't justify it, but I am more disappointed with the company than him. They expected him to do it properly, but didn't seem to give a damn when the setup wasn't going quite right. I get the feeling their concern about it is mainly because otherwise they would get hit hard.
EDIT: Alright, i dunno why they ordered the cull actually. Wasn't pretty smart. Considering there were other alternatives to that. Well. That's fine. What's happened, has happened. You can't change that.
Again, the article notes that the other options were not available. I wonder the truth behind it.
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some people are just really missing the point in this thread or are just trolling. nothing is equal to anything else. we humans are selfish beings so we can only judge on how that species benefits us. cows and pigs are fucking delicious and thats all they are good for pretty much. dogs have been known to do amazing things that benefit us like detect cancer, sniff drugs, help us in wars?? I mean to suggest that dog = pig = ant = spider = dumb poster is silly.
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On February 01 2011 14:49 PhiGgoT wrote:
some people are just really missing the point in this thread or are just trolling. nothing is equal to anything else. we humans are selfish beings so we can only judge on how that species benefits us. cows and pigs are fucking delicious and thats all they are good for pretty much. dogs have been known to do amazing things that benefit us like detect cancer, sniff drugs, help us in wars?? I mean to suggest that dog = pig = ant = spider = dumb poster is silly.
Exactly.
And to people who believe that killing animals in this fashion is OK because of the economic benefits, then that is telling about your own priorities and values. We don't all have to have the exact same values but imo if you think saving the hassle and expense of finding these dogs a home or care outweighs their standing as innocent living things then I feel sorry for you.
+ Show Spoiler +And btw, "we kill animals for food" =/= it is ok to have killed these dogs. Is =/= ought.
1) You should explore moral theory and learn a few things about how right/wrong works (hint: its not measured in dollars)
2) There is a social aspect to this as well. Killing 100 dogs for the sake of saving expenses is simply reprehensible in our society, and you thus hold antisocial views.
If you think that the benefit to the people is greater because their standing as rational beings (and the dogs as non-rational beings), then you are also implicitly making the argument that it would be OK to kill mentally disabled people to save $.
Either way you cut it, I see no plausible justification for what happened. Certainly the company is at fault for ordering the man to do this. He should have used his better judgment too however. If your boss tells you to rape a schoolgirl, what would you do? (yes not equivalent but both are illegal: you can't just take your dog out to the yard and shoot it in the face because you don't want to pay for its food anymore)
It really saddens me that several people in this thread are actually defending the actions of the man + company.
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Well, this certainly is a shame. Killing such large quantiy of companion and working animals is sad, but I don't get why people are so up in arms.
Millions of chicks die every year because they are born with wrong gender. Cows tilt and move plenty of stuff and "help us win wars", but are killed for their meat. Pigs benefit us with their amazing smells just like dogs but they are also killed for their meat. Even a beloved racing horse gets shot if it breaks a leg.
I have to ask why dogs are so special.
"dog = pig = ant = spider"
Might not be true,
But it's also hard to accept
" Dog > other animals"
There should be a really good justificaition for such special treatment, but I frankly don't see one.
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This entire issue just boils down to an individual's opinion on the rights of animals.
Some people consider themselves to be superior to animals and don't apply the same thought process when deciding if treatment of animals is cruel or acceptable.
Some people see all living creatures on the same level as themselves, in that they have a right to life just the same as we do. Financial burden is irrelevant to them, as life is precious above all else.
I find the former of the two to be slightly more primitive. Just because they haven't developed the same level as cognition as us doesn't mean they don't have every reason to live a relatively pain free life. If a life must be ended, with literally zero other options available, it must be done in the most humane way possible. I don't feel that killing them all was really the only option here, it was merely much easier than the alternatives. Even if killing them had been the only option, I'm certain a more humane way could have been decided upon.
Edit: And to people who believe that killing animals in this fashion is OK because of the economic benefits, then that is telling about your own priorities and values. We don't all have to have the exact same values but imo if you think saving the hassle and expense of finding these dogs a home or care outweighs their standing as innocent living things then I feel sorry for you.
This pretty much sums it up.
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