• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:35
CEST 08:35
KST 15:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 234ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
60% Keyboards Viable for Starcraft? ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6141 users

[US] House Passes Healthcare Repeal - Page 2

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
Whiladan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
January 25 2011 09:07 GMT
#21
On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.


If they go through the motions of the repeal and it is shut down by the Senate/Executive Branch, do you consider it a kept promise? I am honestly curious.
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
January 25 2011 09:28 GMT
#22
On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.

Bill reduces deficit

Just sayin'
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
January 25 2011 09:36 GMT
#23
On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.

Non-partisan analysis of the current law (Congressional Budget Office, I think?) indicates it reduces the deficit over the next 15 or something years. It may increase it slightly in the short term, but is a large net plus long term.
ci_esteban
Profile Joined April 2010
United States217 Posts
January 25 2011 09:39 GMT
#24
LOL. That's what happens when Americans vote for Republicans. They get this crap. I feel sorry for the people that didn't vote for this crap, but I feel even more sorry for Republicans who think they're actually getting REAL representation in Congress by voting for these guys.


OH WELL.
eu.exodus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa1186 Posts
January 25 2011 09:43 GMT
#25
im not being a dick or anything but the american healthcare system atm is an epic fail. Its something you would expect in my country.

One of the richest most powerful countries in the world with first world technology, a huge military funding, etc.

With a 3rd world standard health care system.

I saw a documentary about it just after christmas and quite frankly, i was disgusted by the exploitation of the poor and their shitty useless medical insurance.

Some of those people were literally thrown out on the street when they couldnt pay, with nothing on but the hospital clothes they were sleeping in.

Something needs to be done.
6 poll is a good skill toi have
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 09:56:31
January 25 2011 09:45 GMT
#26
as if any political party ever has kept promises, well except clinton, he promised monica a... nevermind

the dems ran on public healthcare, the reps to shut it down

as someone whos had 14 surgeries i think the current healthcare system is not working, my family was busted financially by my first surgery, the majority (10 surgeries) were done in UK (being a british cit i get free healthcare there)
it took us nearly 10 years to recover financially from 1 surgery in the US without insurance

the healthcare system does need reform, but with the republicans... it wont be anything that would help the people without insurance

i had great healthcare from my last employer, my surgery cost more than $30,000, though i would not have died had i not had it, i would be unable to walk unless i had that procedure done
if someone did not have insurance, as many americans do, imagine a $30k debt, or even a third of that.
i was lucky i did not have to pay a cent of that, but not everyone has that luxury

i also spent 6 days in a hospital (emergency blood infection), bill came to around $10k
it costs nearly 1k a day for staying in a hospital, minus all the scans, medication, iv, and so on

if you have no insurance, you are financially fucked if you require a procedure.
just having insurance doesnt mean anything, for my first surgery i had insurance from my dads company, but they did not let you pick which physician you went to
the physician they allowed us (thru kaiser) stated himself he was not comfortable doing the procedure and we find another surgeon

sometimes people have to decide between medication or their financial life, i have seen people with cancer who cannot afford their medication as it would financially ruin them.
North Korea is best Korea!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 25 2011 09:51 GMT
#27
On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.


I really wish the general population would...if not use un biased sources...at least more than one.

The bill will reduce deficit over the long term.

Our current health care is absolute balls, and this coming from a guy that has a VERY VERY good insurance plan. I am not narrow minded enough to ignore the fact that very few people have the insurance I have.

It's an empty gesture. They can repeal it in the House all they want but if by SOME MIRACLE the repeal passes the Senate it will just get Vetoed and there is no way in hell the senate will get enough votes to overturn the veto.

The only reason the Republicans are going through with this "promise" and pretty much none of the others is because it follows their own agenda. Don't believe for a minute either party really cares about the people.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:01:04
January 25 2011 10:00 GMT
#28
whatever.. as far as I understand US politics, the Senat won't repeal it.

And even if the senat does, Obama can still veto the decision, right?

so what's the point... just leads to another long Health Care discussion thread on TL with the same arguments..
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
January 25 2011 10:01 GMT
#29
The chance isn't 0%, presidential vetos can be overruled by congress with enough votes.
:)
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
January 25 2011 10:02 GMT
#30
What happened to "Let's try it your way and see if it works. And if it doesn't we change it back?"
More rational thinking, less populism, please! Also, the house of representatives is most probably one of the most expensive Kindergartens in the world.
"Sir, the enemy has us sourrounded" - "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
Whiladan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:07:07
January 25 2011 10:05 GMT
#31
On January 25 2011 19:01 Reborn8u wrote:
The chance isn't 0%, presidential vetos can be overruled by congress with enough votes.


Republicans have something like 47 votes in the Senate, a veto requires 66. They don't have enough to pass the bill, let alone override a veto.
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:08:58
January 25 2011 10:07 GMT
#32
On January 25 2011 17:30 Euronyme wrote:
Hasn't like every other western world country already had this for like 70 years or so? Ah well. Hope it turns out alright for you, but imho keeping it is the best thing you can do.
Democrats are considered right wing over here though, so I guess my view of things are somewhat skewed.


Yeah the do. In fact all most every country in the world has a government run healthcare. I feel sorry for americans that this is such a big issue, especially i feel sorry for the millions of people that does not own a healthcare insurance. Its insane that in the richest country in the world, people just die on the streets and in their homes, because they dont have enough money. Nutz.
plainsane
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany98 Posts
January 25 2011 10:16 GMT
#33
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.

How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?
I'm going, i'm going!
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:29:34
January 25 2011 10:27 GMT
#34
On January 25 2011 19:07 Rokit5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 17:30 Euronyme wrote:
Hasn't like every other western world country already had this for like 70 years or so? Ah well. Hope it turns out alright for you, but imho keeping it is the best thing you can do.
Democrats are considered right wing over here though, so I guess my view of things are somewhat skewed.


Yeah the do. In fact all most every country in the world has a government run healthcare. I feel sorry for americans that this is such a big issue, especially i feel sorry for the millions of people that does not own a healthcare insurance. Its insane that in the richest country in the world, people just die on the streets and in their homes, because they dont have enough money. Nutz.


Well the problem is that the US has a 80% debt of their GDP, which is pretty gosh darn bad. Other countries have implented this when the economic position was reasonably good, or right after ww2 when the public demanded it.
Health care is also a bigger issue in the US.
Currently health care takes up a huge percentage in the spending of the US federal funds, whereas in other countries with even better health care it does not as much.
I think it all needs somewhat of a revamp.

Just my opinion. I don't live in the US, and I havn't studied the system in perfect detail, so ofcourse I might be totally wrong.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:28:50
January 25 2011 10:27 GMT
#35
On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.

How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?


Anything that can be labeled a socialist policy is "demonized" in the States. It comes from fears that were awakened during the 1950s red scare.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
snpnx
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany454 Posts
January 25 2011 10:30 GMT
#36
On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.


Dude, politicians break so many promises they vote to fight for and don't give a shrug about it, but when they are doing something really useless (for them and for the people, that is) they suddenly get all symbolic? Yeah, tell that someone else.

And believe it or not , this bill will be good for you guys over there. Maybe not immediatly, and it may need some changes, but it's a step in the right direction.
"Language is Freeware, in that it's free to use, but it's not Open Source, so you can't just change things how you like."
amd098
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (North)1366 Posts
January 25 2011 10:41 GMT
#37
On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.

How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?


propaganda.
we have channels like fox full of far right 'reporters' like geraldo, beck, oreilly and hannity that sprew out biased information that naive people buy up, and the amount of idiots is astounding
how many believed obama is muslim and still do think that?
how many believe that iraq attacked on 9-11?
how many cant even find iraq on a map?
how many can still believe sarah palin is qualified for president?


i had one lady who used to frequent a transformers site, she said she was afraid of obama simply because of his race
few months after obama won, i managed to get rid of that racist bitch (though i could have banned her at any time, i felt it was better i used witty banter to get rid of her), she hated immigrants to the US... when she came to the US from manchester england as well as a teenager.
she was a die hard republican, who lived off welfare, by scamming unemployment.

under bush, she lost her job, her house, her credit rating due to a foreclosure, and her far right judge did not feel that a single mother could raise a child and so she was given joint custody of her kid with her child molesting ex husband
though financially broke, she made sure to donate to the republican campaign and felt that sarah palin was more qualified and intelligent than obama



for those who havnt been to washington DC, there is tons of money just pooped on lobbying... but DC is full of slums and homeless people as well, i hate going to DC for that fact


greed is a very very powerful tool. we saw a war that cost many lives based on lies, only for oil corporations.

take a look at the healthcare industry, they make billions

heres some information about that

i buy antibiotics in bulk (for work), it costs us dollars for pounds of it
buy the same thing from a pharmacist with fancy labels, $10/pill
whats the difference? ours is labelled 'for research only' and is in power form

hiv tests cost $40, a kit that can do 80 tess for about $400, less if i was to buy the stuff separately
it takes about a few hours to do the whole test from a kit, or 2 days if i was to assemble it myself
North Korea is best Korea!
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
January 25 2011 10:44 GMT
#38
They are representatives. They have only not done their job if they have done something that does not represent the positions or benefit of those that they represent. I know a lot of people on both sides of this issue, so it seems that contesting it is certainly within the spirit of representation.
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 10:48:02
January 25 2011 10:45 GMT
#39
The people who say that this bill is good have not actually looked at the provisions. I could care less about healthcare either way, but taxing people for inaction is the largest and stupidest power grab the government has ever made.

Next they will penalize you for not driving a hybrid car. It's the entirely wrong way to work. They should offer incentives via subsidies or tax credits to people who switch, rather then taxing people who do not.


Remember, the government is really just a monopoly on force. In this case, they are basically saying "if you do not give away your money freely, we will come take it from you." Is this something you really want to stand for? It sets a bad precedent.
Baller Fanclub || CheAse Fanclub || Scarlett Fanclub || LJD FIGHTING!
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
January 25 2011 10:49 GMT
#40
On January 25 2011 19:27 Jswizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.

How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?


Anything that can be labeled a socialist policy is "demonized" in the States. It comes from fears that were awakened during the 1950s red scare.


which is such a stupid thing. i couldnt believe they outrage of idiocy (propganda calling obama socialist/communist/nazi lolwtf?) when i saw what US republic media made out of health care something thats standart in most "rich" countries since like 100 years.

i cant imagine what was going on in US media last 50 years if some idiots can just call something randomly out for beeing "socialist" and immediatly tons of people blindly hate it.



mind i dont know if for whatever reason there might really be problems with health care in the US. but how could i when all i saw on us media was crap propaganda on the absolutely lowest level possible.





guess the usa is the first country completly run by media and big companies. whats going on there recently doesnt have much to do with politics at all.


life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 18 19 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 267
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3484
GuemChi 2952
Mind 151
ZergMaN 56
Bale 31
Icarus 7
Nal_rA 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm149
League of Legends
Doublelift3660
JimRising 719
Counter-Strike
Sick179
Other Games
summit1g5908
C9.Mang0278
Hui .139
Mew2King37
RuFF_SC226
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick28679
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 92
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 38
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1031
• Rush964
• Lourlo872
• Stunt323
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 25m
CrankTV Team League
4h 25m
OSC
6h 25m
Big Brain Bouts
9h 25m
Replay Cast
17h 25m
RSL Revival
1d 2h
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
1d 3h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 3h
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Heroes Pulsing #3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.