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On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.
If they go through the motions of the repeal and it is shut down by the Senate/Executive Branch, do you consider it a kept promise? I am honestly curious.
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On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.
Bill reduces deficit
Just sayin'
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On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.
Non-partisan analysis of the current law (Congressional Budget Office, I think?) indicates it reduces the deficit over the next 15 or something years. It may increase it slightly in the short term, but is a large net plus long term.
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LOL. That's what happens when Americans vote for Republicans. They get this crap. I feel sorry for the people that didn't vote for this crap, but I feel even more sorry for Republicans who think they're actually getting REAL representation in Congress by voting for these guys.
OH WELL.
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im not being a dick or anything but the american healthcare system atm is an epic fail. Its something you would expect in my country.
One of the richest most powerful countries in the world with first world technology, a huge military funding, etc.
With a 3rd world standard health care system.
I saw a documentary about it just after christmas and quite frankly, i was disgusted by the exploitation of the poor and their shitty useless medical insurance.
Some of those people were literally thrown out on the street when they couldnt pay, with nothing on but the hospital clothes they were sleeping in.
Something needs to be done.
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as if any political party ever has kept promises, well except clinton, he promised monica a... nevermind
the dems ran on public healthcare, the reps to shut it down
as someone whos had 14 surgeries i think the current healthcare system is not working, my family was busted financially by my first surgery, the majority (10 surgeries) were done in UK (being a british cit i get free healthcare there)
it took us nearly 10 years to recover financially from 1 surgery in the US without insurance
the healthcare system does need reform, but with the republicans... it wont be anything that would help the people without insurance
i had great healthcare from my last employer, my surgery cost more than $30,000, though i would not have died had i not had it, i would be unable to walk unless i had that procedure done
if someone did not have insurance, as many americans do, imagine a $30k debt, or even a third of that.
i was lucky i did not have to pay a cent of that, but not everyone has that luxury
i also spent 6 days in a hospital (emergency blood infection), bill came to around $10k
it costs nearly 1k a day for staying in a hospital, minus all the scans, medication, iv, and so on
if you have no insurance, you are financially fucked if you require a procedure.
just having insurance doesnt mean anything, for my first surgery i had insurance from my dads company, but they did not let you pick which physician you went to
the physician they allowed us (thru kaiser) stated himself he was not comfortable doing the procedure and we find another surgeon
sometimes people have to decide between medication or their financial life, i have seen people with cancer who cannot afford their medication as it would financially ruin them.
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On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.
I really wish the general population would...if not use un biased sources...at least more than one.
The bill will reduce deficit over the long term.
Our current health care is absolute balls, and this coming from a guy that has a VERY VERY good insurance plan. I am not narrow minded enough to ignore the fact that very few people have the insurance I have.
It's an empty gesture. They can repeal it in the House all they want but if by SOME MIRACLE the repeal passes the Senate it will just get Vetoed and there is no way in hell the senate will get enough votes to overturn the veto.
The only reason the Republicans are going through with this "promise" and pretty much none of the others is because it follows their own agenda. Don't believe for a minute either party really cares about the people.
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whatever.. as far as I understand US politics, the Senat won't repeal it.
And even if the senat does, Obama can still veto the decision, right?
so what's the point... just leads to another long Health Care discussion thread on TL with the same arguments..
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The chance isn't 0%, presidential vetos can be overruled by congress with enough votes.
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What happened to "Let's try it your way and see if it works. And if it doesn't we change it back?"
More rational thinking, less populism, please! Also, the house of representatives is most probably one of the most expensive Kindergartens in the world.
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On January 25 2011 19:01 Reborn8u wrote:
The chance isn't 0%, presidential vetos can be overruled by congress with enough votes.
Republicans have something like 47 votes in the Senate, a veto requires 66. They don't have enough to pass the bill, let alone override a veto.
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On January 25 2011 17:30 Euronyme wrote:
Hasn't like every other western world country already had this for like 70 years or so? Ah well. Hope it turns out alright for you, but imho keeping it is the best thing you can do.
Democrats are considered right wing over here though, so I guess my view of things are somewhat skewed.
Yeah the do. In fact all most every country in the world has a government run healthcare. I feel sorry for americans that this is such a big issue, especially i feel sorry for the millions of people that does not own a healthcare insurance. Its insane that in the richest country in the world, people just die on the streets and in their homes, because they dont have enough money. Nutz.
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Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.
How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?
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On January 25 2011 19:07 Rokit5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 17:30 Euronyme wrote:
Hasn't like every other western world country already had this for like 70 years or so? Ah well. Hope it turns out alright for you, but imho keeping it is the best thing you can do.
Democrats are considered right wing over here though, so I guess my view of things are somewhat skewed. Yeah the do. In fact all most every country in the world has a government run healthcare. I feel sorry for americans that this is such a big issue, especially i feel sorry for the millions of people that does not own a healthcare insurance. Its insane that in the richest country in the world, people just die on the streets and in their homes, because they dont have enough money. Nutz.
Well the problem is that the US has a 80% debt of their GDP, which is pretty gosh darn bad. Other countries have implented this when the economic position was reasonably good, or right after ww2 when the public demanded it.
Health care is also a bigger issue in the US.
Currently health care takes up a huge percentage in the spending of the US federal funds, whereas in other countries with even better health care it does not as much.
I think it all needs somewhat of a revamp.
Just my opinion. I don't live in the US, and I havn't studied the system in perfect detail, so ofcourse I might be totally wrong.
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On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.
How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?
Anything that can be labeled a socialist policy is "demonized" in the States. It comes from fears that were awakened during the 1950s red scare.
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On January 25 2011 18:03 RJGooner wrote:
You guys need to understand that this was a campaign promise. They told the people who voted for them that they would try to repeal it and they are. You may call it useless OP, but they have to start somewhere in repealing this awful bill. As for wasting taxpayers money, #1 they are doing work that people voted them in to do, and #2 what about the hundreds of billions this bill will add to the deficit? Maybe they should focus more on job creation right now, but honestly I support any attempt to repeal this legislation.
Dude, politicians break so many promises they vote to fight for and don't give a shrug about it, but when they are doing something really useless (for them and for the people, that is) they suddenly get all symbolic? Yeah, tell that someone else.
And believe it or not , this bill will be good for you guys over there. Maybe not immediatly, and it may need some changes, but it's a step in the right direction.
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On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.
How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance?
propaganda.
we have channels like fox full of far right 'reporters' like geraldo, beck, oreilly and hannity that sprew out biased information that naive people buy up, and the amount of idiots is astounding
how many believed obama is muslim and still do think that?
how many believe that iraq attacked on 9-11?
how many cant even find iraq on a map?
how many can still believe sarah palin is qualified for president?
i had one lady who used to frequent a transformers site, she said she was afraid of obama simply because of his race
few months after obama won, i managed to get rid of that racist bitch (though i could have banned her at any time, i felt it was better i used witty banter to get rid of her), she hated immigrants to the US... when she came to the US from manchester england as well as a teenager.
she was a die hard republican, who lived off welfare, by scamming unemployment.
under bush, she lost her job, her house, her credit rating due to a foreclosure, and her far right judge did not feel that a single mother could raise a child and so she was given joint custody of her kid with her child molesting ex husband
though financially broke, she made sure to donate to the republican campaign and felt that sarah palin was more qualified and intelligent than obama
for those who havnt been to washington DC, there is tons of money just pooped on lobbying... but DC is full of slums and homeless people as well, i hate going to DC for that fact
greed is a very very powerful tool. we saw a war that cost many lives based on lies, only for oil corporations.
take a look at the healthcare industry, they make billions
heres some information about that
i buy antibiotics in bulk (for work), it costs us dollars for pounds of it
buy the same thing from a pharmacist with fancy labels, $10/pill
whats the difference? ours is labelled 'for research only' and is in power form
hiv tests cost $40, a kit that can do 80 tess for about $400, less if i was to buy the stuff separately
it takes about a few hours to do the whole test from a kit, or 2 days if i was to assemble it myself
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They are representatives. They have only not done their job if they have done something that does not represent the positions or benefit of those that they represent. I know a lot of people on both sides of this issue, so it seems that contesting it is certainly within the spirit of representation.
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The people who say that this bill is good have not actually looked at the provisions. I could care less about healthcare either way, but taxing people for inaction is the largest and stupidest power grab the government has ever made.
Next they will penalize you for not driving a hybrid car. It's the entirely wrong way to work. They should offer incentives via subsidies or tax credits to people who switch, rather then taxing people who do not.
Remember, the government is really just a monopoly on force. In this case, they are basically saying "if you do not give away your money freely, we will come take it from you." Is this something you really want to stand for? It sets a bad precedent.
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On January 25 2011 19:27 Jswizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 19:16 plainsane wrote:
Someone care to explain why the people of the US dont want a social health care system? Most people would benefit from it. I would find it scary not to have a decent health insurance.
How greedy must one be not to grant all people a health insurance? Anything that can be labeled a socialist policy is "demonized" in the States. It comes from fears that were awakened during the 1950s red scare.
which is such a stupid thing. i couldnt believe they outrage of idiocy (propganda calling obama socialist/communist/nazi lolwtf?) when i saw what US republic media made out of health care something thats standart in most "rich" countries since like 100 years.
i cant imagine what was going on in US media last 50 years if some idiots can just call something randomly out for beeing "socialist" and immediatly tons of people blindly hate it.
mind i dont know if for whatever reason there might really be problems with health care in the US. but how could i when all i saw on us media was crap propaganda on the absolutely lowest level possible.
guess the usa is the first country completly run by media and big companies. whats going on there recently doesnt have much to do with politics at all.
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