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Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
January 18 2011 15:58 GMT
#61
Eh... this isn't really resurrecting mammoths.. it is more like cloning like someone said. But this method has been used on a ton of stuff. Sheeps, Goats, etc...

Hopefully it works.. would be cool to see one.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
January 18 2011 16:02 GMT
#62
I'm totally for this. Who says this is playing god?

"God" did manage to kill all of them off, but if you think about it, he also gave us the ability to improve intellectually and at the same time, since he's incapable of accidents, deliberately left us preserved mammoth DNA. Clearly he wants this to happen no?
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
January 18 2011 16:04 GMT
#63
On January 19 2011 00:40 ChaseR wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth

Psh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose.
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..."If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed (the mammoth) and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said

I know what they're going to breed it with...women! They'll open it to the public alright, as a beastality porn shack to fulfill their mens sexually suppressed need for bizarre fetish sex. Heck they'd make millions of that idea.

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"After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors."..

It's pretty obvious why it went extinct it was to huge to survive in a forest and...

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The spread of advanced human hunters through northern Eurasia and the Americas around the time of the extinctions was a new development, and thus probably contributed significantly. Data derived from studies done on living elephants suggest human hunting was likely a strong contributing factor in the mammoth's final extinction. Homo erectus is known to have consumed mammoth meat as early as 1.8 million years ago.

Clone a fucking Mammoth in 5 years...don't they know how huge a Mammoth is? What's the point? The Elephant is already almost extinct...NO let's cross breed it with a mammoth and see what the results are...can you imagine the complications. And how would they control such a beast? Mammoth's are not domesticated and friendly like Manfred in Ice Age.

Someone fucking facepalm with me please? x_x


I really don't think there's anything to be 'learnt' from a work of fiction.

You make it sound like a mammoth would mean the end of the whole.
OGS:levelchange
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 16:21:24
January 18 2011 16:09 GMT
#64
I heard on QI that toads used to test pregnancy in the 1950's broke out and had some sort of disease that spread across the globe and threatened 75% of all ambient life just because man wanted to know if his woman was pregnant -_-

I really don't think there's anything to be 'learnt' from a work of fiction
Oh please shove your ignorance, do you know how Star Trek influenced modern scientists and technology, the ideas for the cellphone, ipods etc. (There was a whole documentary with William shatner about it.)

@oBlade It's when these genetically altered specimens are being released in the wild that unexpected results and mutations occur when they mix together back into the eco system.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5823 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 16:10:38
January 18 2011 16:10 GMT
#65
On January 19 2011 00:40 ChaseR wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth

Psh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose.

On the contrary, the force of nature is mas/sive compared to what a couple of early 21st century scientists can do. And this has nothing to do with repopulating a species or reintroducing a species to the environment. Civilized countries have laws that work against importing exotic foreign species because of the consequences.

Hell doesn't break loose* all the time either. Genetic manipulation in the form of selective breeding works just fine - think of the square watermelons in Japan or whatever. Fuck, all manner of domesticated crops and livestock are viable sources of food because of human intervention.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
January 18 2011 16:10 GMT
#66
the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.=
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1601 Posts
January 18 2011 16:13 GMT
#67
This has been discuessed for many years. I believe I first read something about this in 2000. As for their reasoning behind why they want a mammoth to discover why it went extinct that is probably the stupidest reason for cloning one. We know why it went extinct or at the very least have a very good reasoning behind it. To clone it to see if there are any medical gains or information we can learn about restablishing some other chains of species is however a good reason.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
January 18 2011 16:17 GMT
#68
On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote:
the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.=

Why not?
Electric.Jesus
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany755 Posts
January 18 2011 16:18 GMT
#69
Oh common, Science is the only field where the answer "because we can" is legitimate. Please do not take this from us. And this is precisely the point of the undertaking, to show that one can pull it off. Everything else is just pretense. Studying a mammoth? Please. Since it will not be able to learn behaviors from other mammothes it is pretty useless for behavioral studies.
"Sir, the enemy has us sourrounded" - "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
DerNebel
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark648 Posts
January 18 2011 16:37 GMT
#70
I have a huge bananagrin right now. This is really nothing but scientists playing God, but that doesn't matter if it's AWESOME.

Oh, and we might learn something about the thing, but that would just be an interesting side-effect.
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
January 18 2011 16:53 GMT
#71
On January 19 2011 01:18 Electric.Jesus wrote:
Oh common, Science is the only field where the answer "because we can" is legitimate. Please do not take this from us. And this is precisely the point of the undertaking, to show that one can pull it off. Everything else is just pretense. Studying a mammoth? Please. Since it will not be able to learn behaviors from other mammothes it is pretty useless for behavioral studies.


They'd be looking at more of the ecology... and some of the behavior is going to be partially hardwired... particularly if they could start breeding groups of mammoths.
Kaasflipje
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands198 Posts
January 18 2011 16:57 GMT
#72
Title is kind of misleading. It should be cloning instead of resurrecting.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 18 2011 16:59 GMT
#73
On January 19 2011 01:57 Kaasflipje wrote:
Title is kind of misleading. It should be cloning instead of resurrecting.

I know. I felt it was pretty obvious they weren't actually resurrecting a mammoth though so I kept the headline of the article.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
January 18 2011 18:23 GMT
#74
On January 18 2011 22:45 Fa1nT wrote:
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On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote:
What's the point?
It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?


Progress in the field of cloning?

Setting up a working method to prevent future extinction?


Proof that humans are now capable of creating life that no longer exists, something a large majority o earth believes only deities can do?


Wat? Pretty sure this is nothing of the sort....but still mega-cool.

I'm pretty sure if they have to use existing DNA from existing preserved mammoth cells, they aren't "creating" anything. If they were making some random new animal from scratch, then maybe you'd have a point.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
January 18 2011 18:35 GMT
#75
On January 19 2011 03:23 Sm3agol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 22:45 Fa1nT wrote:
On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote:
What's the point?
It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?


Progress in the field of cloning?

Setting up a working method to prevent future extinction?


Proof that humans are now capable of creating life that no longer exists, something a large majority o earth believes only deities can do?


Wat? Pretty sure this is nothing of the sort....but still mega-cool.

I'm pretty sure if they have to use existing DNA from existing preserved mammoth cells, they aren't "creating" anything. If they were making some random new animal from scratch, then maybe you'd have a point.


Not out loud, where funders can hear, but biologists and geneticists have wanted to "play god" for many years behind closed doors.
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
January 18 2011 18:40 GMT
#76
On January 19 2011 01:09 ChaseR wrote:
Oh please shove your ignorance, do you know how Star Trek influenced modern scientists and technology, the ideas for the cellphone, ipods etc. (There was a whole documentary with William shatner about it.)
.


You're right. It influences technology. It gives people ideas to work towards. We model real life around fiction.

Fiction however, does not dictate how nature or any other beings act. It has absolutely not influence on them. We do not see whales swallowing humans, monkeys being trained to fly spaceships or anything of that sort. Unless the mammoth reads Jurassic Park and goes: "Hey, that's pretty cool, lets work towards being like that T-Rex", I don't see the connection.

If you're saying that Jurassic Park gives us an idea of how the mammoth may act, remember that the whole piece of work is speculation. I wouldn't even dare to call it speculation as there is no context. Anyway, it'd be pretty boring to read about a successful dinosaur theme park wouldn't it?

If I wrote fictitious novel about resurrected triceratops that were all friendly and played with babies and mowed my lawn and stuff, why couldn't my piece of work be used to predict how a resurrected mammoth would act?
OGS:levelchange
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
January 18 2011 18:43 GMT
#77
On January 18 2011 21:16 Redunzl wrote:
"scientists" will do x...
tell us which organization is funding them.
"scientists" are always employed by someone.. usually government or multi-national corporations.

the graph doesnt show the inbred offspring of the eventual two adult mammoths.

ahh the mindset of a conspiracist.
1. Who said they were going to create two mammoths and breed them to try and recreate the entire species...
2. Why would the offspring of the unlikely breeding of the clones be inbred.. why would the scientists use the same Elephant to birth both of them, plus these are still animals, inbreeding is common and almost completely negligible.
3. Who cares who they are funded by? It's for the advancement of Science...

????? so confusing ?????
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
January 18 2011 18:50 GMT
#78
On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote:
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I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next.


Jurassic Park?

Also, the methods they plan to use aren't new or anything (at least I believe so). What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics?

It would be a proof-of-concept. The next step would be saddling up and riding em. Also, recreating velociraptors, I imagine, should be fairly high up the priority list.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 18:52:54
January 18 2011 18:52 GMT
#79
On January 19 2011 01:17 DrainX wrote:
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On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote:
the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.=

Why not?

Because humans weren't made at all. Remember evolution? It's without intention.

+ Show Spoiler +
edit: sorry for the double post, I just clicked quote... ^^
ProjectVirtue
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada360 Posts
January 18 2011 19:03 GMT
#80
Mammoth themes giant mecha robos from japan <3

but in all seriousness, this is pretty cool and it'd be pretty great leap forward in genetic engineering
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