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TOKYO (AFP) – Japanese researchers will launch a project this year to resurrect the long-extinct mammoth by using cloning technology to bring the ancient pachyderm back to life in around five years time.
..."If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed (the mammoth) and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said. "After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors."...
...Researchers hope to achieve their aim within five to six years, the Yomiuri said...
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+ Show Spoiler [Full article] +TOKYO (AFP) – Japanese researchers will launch a project this year to resurrect the long-extinct mammoth by using cloning technology to bring the ancient pachyderm back to life in around five years time. The researchers will try to revive the species by obtaining tissue this summer from the carcass of a mammoth preserved in a Russian research laboratory, the Yomiuri Shimbun reported. "Preparations to realise this goal have been made," Akira Iritani, leader of the team and a professor emeritus of Kyoto University, told the mass-circulation daily. Under the plan, the nuclei of mammoth cells will be inserted into an elephant's egg cell from which the nuclei have been removed, to create an embryo containing mammoth genes, the report said. The embryo will then be inserted into an elephant's uterus in the hope that the animal will eventually give birth to a baby mammoth. The elephant is the closest modern relative of the mammoth, a huge woolly mammal believed to have died out with the last Ice Age. Some mammoth remains still retain usable tissue samples, making it possible to recover cells for cloning, unlike dinosaurs, which disappeared around 65 million years ago and whose remains exist only as fossils Researchers hope to achieve their aim within five to six years, the Yomiuri said. The team, which has invited a Russian mammoth researcher and two US elephant experts to join the project, has established a technique to extract DNA from frozen cells, previously an obstacle to cloning attempts because of the damage cells sustained in the freezing process. Another Japanese researcher, Teruhiko Wakayama of the Riken Centre for Developmental Biology, succeeded in 2008 in cloning a mouse from the cells of another that had been kept in temperatures similar to frozen ground for 16 years. The scientists extracted a cell nucleus from an organ of a dead mouse and planted it into the egg of another mouse which was alive, leading to the birth of the cloned mouse. Based on Wakayama's techniques, Iritani's team devised a method to extract the nuclei of mammoth eggs without damaging them. But a successful cloning will also pose challenges for the team, Iritani warned. "If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed (the mammoth) and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said. "After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors." More than 80 percent of all mammoth finds have been dug up in the permafrost of the vast Sakha Republic in eastern Siberia. Exactly why a majority of the huge creatures that once strode in large herds across Eurasia and North America died out towards the end of the last Ice Age has generated fiery debate. Some experts hold that mammoths were hunted to extinction by the species that was to become the planet's dominant predator -- humans. Others argue that climate change was more to blame, leaving a species adapted for frozen climes ill-equipped to cope with a warming world. source
I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next.
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Nice, then they can tweak with it a bit and pretty soon we'll have real live ultralisks!
But still, this is really awesome, hopefully it works.
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I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next.
Jurassic Park?
Also, the methods they plan to use aren't new or anything (at least I believe so). What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics?
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On January 18 2011 21:12 Phenny wrote: Nice, then they can tweak with it a bit and pretty soon we'll have real live ultralisks!
But still, this is really awesome, hopefully it works. hahahaha! ULTRARIIISKUUUUU!
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Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success.
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I liked it better when Jurassic Park did it...
Either ways this could be huge if it's succesful. Pretty strange line here though: "and whether to display it to the public,". Surely documentation provided (images/videos) would be fantastic, hope they don't want to keep it too close.
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People that say this is immoral really bother me. Do people know how many animals suffer for our food? It's literally billions of animals throughout all these industrialized years.
And just one mammoth for the sake of science is immoral and that they ought to stay extinct because they are extinct for a reason...
Maybe it's not worth the effort but calling it immoral is really annoying.
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On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote:Show nested quote +I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next. Jurassic Park? Also, the methods they plan to use aren't new or anything (at least I believe so). What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics? The methods aren't new but they haven't been applied in this way before. They're planning on carrying out research on it I would suppose.
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"scientists" will do x... tell us which organization is funding them. "scientists" are always employed by someone.. usually government or multi-national corporations.
the graph doesnt show the inbred offspring of the eventual two adult mammoths.
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On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote: What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics? Did you even read? "After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors."
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On January 18 2011 21:16 Redunzl wrote: "scientists" will do x... tell us which organization is funding them. "scientists" are always employed by someone.. usually government or multi-national corporations.
the graph doesnt show the offspring of the two inbred mammoths though... No idea. The team is located at kyoto university. It's probably government funded.
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Hopefully they can do the same to dinosaurs, maybe create a theme park out of it!
edit: aw, too late with the joke
On January 18 2011 21:14 Chriamon wrote: Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success. When I was about 12 years old I had read an article about that animal and ever since I've been hopeful for its resurrection. It seems so cool to be able to solve extinctions caused by human policies.
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damn japanese scientists are badass! i hope this works, i wanna see mammoths in the zoo
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and what if it works? will they be like, k, weve got a mammoth now?
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On January 18 2011 21:19 B.I.G. wrote: and what if it works? will they be like, k, weve got a mammoth now?
Maybe mammoths will replace the common pig in the meat industry?
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OH YEAH!!! Mammoth steak!! My mouth is watering already!!
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On January 18 2011 21:14 Chriamon wrote: Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success. That was some time ago. Don't you have any faith in science and how fast it's improving?
"Although earlier efforts in the 1990s were unsuccessful due to damage caused by extreme cold, Professor Iritani believes he can use a technique pioneered by Dr Wakayama (who successfully cloned a frozen mouse) to overcome this obstacle. "
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On January 18 2011 21:17 superjoppe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote: What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics? Did you even read? "After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors."
Actually, I did not, thanks for clarifying
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If they can ressurect the mammoths, then it means that immortality is not far away from our reach. Only if those scientists are koreans, then it is also possible to have our real starcraft world, even just a miniature one.
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On January 18 2011 21:25 NicksonReyes wrote: If they can ressurect the mammoths, then it means that immortality is not far away from our reach. Only if those scientists are koreans, then it is also possible to have our real starcraft world, even just a miniature one. Hm not sure if you misunderstood but they're not resurrecting a dead individual. It's just cloning really. ^^
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They talked about this back in 2005 as well - said the exact same thing even....
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On January 18 2011 21:16 Kirameki wrote: People that say this is immoral really bother me. Do people know how many animals suffer for our food? It's literally billions of animals throughout all these industrialized years.
And just one mammoth for the sake of science is immoral and that they ought to stay extinct because they are extinct for a reason...
Maybe it's not worth the effort but calling it immoral is really annoying.
Off Topic: Sorry, I just read that word and after reading the ultralisk jokes, I really read that as "immortal" 
Anyway, I hope that they can do it, 'cos the cloning of the tasmanian tiger didn't work out too well.
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On January 18 2011 21:22 Mr Tambourine Man wrote: OH YEAH!!! Mammoth steak!! My mouth is watering already!! This opened my eyes... at first I was like "why don't the clone something cool, like a Liger", but now I want to eat grill mammoth.
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Mammoth steak doesn't sound very good, I mean sorta elephant meat?
My suggestion would be to replace horses with mammoths. Maybe place some guns on top of them or something. Then we should totally call them mammoth tanks. I love command & conquer.
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On January 18 2011 21:51 sk` wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 21:22 Mr Tambourine Man wrote: OH YEAH!!! Mammoth steak!! My mouth is watering already!! This opened my eyes... at first I was like "why don't the clone something cool, like a Liger", but now I want to eat grill mammoth. A liger is just a hybrid...
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If this succeeds, there will be so many "Meanwhile in Japan..." demots featuring a mammoth picture I cant even imagine. It would be awesome though
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Huh, I remember 2 years ago, reading about these types of cloning on mice in my biology class yielded a ton of birth defects such as disproportionately large organs and pervasive tumors. I guess, good luck Japanese scientists!
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good luck to them in this completely retardedly futile endeavor.
elephants are fast becoming obsolete, and i'm not saying that because they've been hunted to the brink of extinction, but because situations where tigers or lions effectively hunt adult male elephants are becoming more and more common. if this isn't nature's way of saying "your time is up", i don't know what is
now the purpose of a mammoth on earth is what again ? not like you're gonna raise herds like with cows for food. and they might as well clone something else if they want to work on their technology and make some breakthroughs in science instead of headlines in tabloids
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On January 18 2011 21:14 Chriamon wrote: Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success. Tasmania doesn't have so much permafrost.
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I am skeptical that this will work. The mammoth were from a very long time ago, and consequently, its DNA is actually poorly preserved (i.e. has a lot of missing parts). I understand they might try to substitute the missing sections with modern elephant DNA - but it seems a bit far-fetched.
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I also doubt thtey will succeed, but if they do I will seriously think about taking on a new hooby. Mammoth Polo, here I come!
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On January 18 2011 22:16 Sufficiency wrote: I am skeptical that this will work. The mammoth were from a very long time ago, and consequently, its DNA is actually poorly preserved (i.e. has a lot of missing parts). I understand they might try to substitute the missing sections with modern elephant DNA - but it seems a bit far-fetched. It probably won't, but what makes it at least somewhat promising is that they have performed the same thing on a mouse preserved in similar simulated conditions.
On January 18 2011 22:12 anatem wrote: good luck to them in this completely retardedly futile endeavor.
elephants are fast becoming obsolete, and i'm not saying that because they've been hunted to the brink of extinction, but because situations where tigers or lions effectively hunt adult male elephants are becoming more and more common. if this isn't nature's way of saying "your time is up", i don't know what is
now the purpose of a mammoth on earth is what again ? not like you're gonna raise herds like with cows for food. and they might as well clone something else if they want to work on their technology and make some breakthroughs in science instead of headlines in tabloids Well, you can't know what kind of results that research might yield. Maybe we learn something in an ecological sense or in terms of cloning techniques. Mammoths are interesting because we don't have a clear picture of how they got instinct.
Other seemingly futile endeavours:
Colombus navigating shortcuts to india Visiting the moon Nuclear fission
etcetc.
Funny how whenever there's a thread about some random scientific undertaking, there are always people seemingly pissed off at the fact that we're studying our surroundings rather than solving world hunger or whatever. But it's not like we could have known 200 years ago that intense studying of microbes would eventually lead to certain practical uses such as vaccines etc.
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What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?
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Fuck mammoths! I wonna see real Oliphants with savages on them!
Not sure how to feel about this, but mainly I just think it's cool that we can even do this.
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On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote: What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?
Progress in the field of cloning?
Setting up a working method to prevent future extinction?
Proof that humans are now capable of creating life that no longer exists, something a large majority o earth believes only deities can do?
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On January 18 2011 22:15 KwarK wrote: Tasmania doesn't have so much permafrost.
We may not have permafrost but I think we do have a much younger specimen preserved by mankind. Not sure how it's going though.
In any case, a mammoth is much cooler.
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On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote: What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?
I actually think their mission statement as to the reason for undertaking this project was: "it's all kewl and stuff" The people in charge needed no more convincing words than that, needless to say their funding was approved of immediately.
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well sounds like a great idea....xD
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i did the same thing with my cat
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I really, really hope this works. These scientists are much, much, much more knowledgeable than I so I won't even attempt to comment on if it will be a success or not. But, to know an extinct species has been brought back? That's amazing.
I want to see two things before I die. A dinosaur (not gonna happen ) and a human on mars (got 40 years of tech advancement to come before I start to dribble and soil myself, so this isn't too far fetched)
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On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote: What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point?
The point? This is like the greatest thing ever if it succeeds! I want to see mammoth and saber toothed cats :D
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On January 18 2011 22:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 21:14 Chriamon wrote: Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success. Tasmania doesn't have so much permafrost. Well the age of extinction is'nt relevant, you should look at the age of species separation between the host and the extinct animal (ie genetic distance).
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every single extinct specie ever existed were gone because they can't survive on their own and fit in the ever changing environment, The idea of bring back extinct species is not to repopulate them, it's just a mean to study the method of bring them back along with curiosity and bragging rights.
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Knowing Japan, it'll just become a giant, carnivore Mammoth that'll destroy Tokyo.
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On January 18 2011 23:46 SupaChicken wrote: Knowing Japan, it'll just become a giant, carnivore Mammoth that'll destroy Tokyo. lol 
How can some of you say that there's no point!? It's friggin sweet! I want to see one at the zoo!
Plus, I have the greatest dog in the world. He is pretty old now so any research that may aid in cloning him one day soon is great, thanks science
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that would be so cool to see a live mammoth in a zoo someday
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This is a childhood dream of mine come true. While cloning can potentially become a problem in society, this kind of use, is pretty cool if you ask me.
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i feel sorry for the elephant giving birth. I mean. really mammoths are bigger than elephants stands to reason baby mammoth is bigger also.
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Hey, why not do the same with Hitlers corpse??
Oh wait... he didnt die.
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You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could...you never stopped to think if you should
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I am pretty sure I have heard something like this before. Several years ago. Although I think back then they (dunno who) were trying to "interbreed" Elephants and Mammoths step by step to get gradually closer to the Mammoth side.
Why is it Mammoths all the time?
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Really interesting, best of luck to them as having a live mammoth would be pretty cool.
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They were talking about this a few years ago, but I guess it turned out to be unsuccessful. It would be pretty creepy if this actually worked
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth
Psh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose.
..."If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed (the mammoth) and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said I know what they're going to breed it with...women! They'll open it to the public alright, as a beastality porn shack to fulfill their mens sexually suppressed need for bizarre fetish sex. Heck they'd make millions of that idea.
"After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors.".. It's pretty obvious why it went extinct it was to huge to survive in a forest and...
The spread of advanced human hunters through northern Eurasia and the Americas around the time of the extinctions was a new development, and thus probably contributed significantly. Data derived from studies done on living elephants suggest human hunting was likely a strong contributing factor in the mammoth's final extinction. Homo erectus is known to have consumed mammoth meat as early as 1.8 million years ago. Clone a fucking Mammoth in 5 years...don't they know how huge a Mammoth is? What's the point? The Elephant is already almost extinct...NO let's cross breed it with a mammoth and see what the results are...can you imagine the complications. And how would they control such a beast? Mammoth's are not domesticated and friendly like Manfred in Ice Age.
Someone fucking facepalm with me please? x_x
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Funny how whenever there's a thread about some random scientific undertaking, there are always people seemingly pissed off at the fact that we're studying our surroundings rather than solving world hunger or whatever.
it's got noting to do with that, i appreciate your sensitivity to puritanical narrow-minded argumentation, but boy you got the wrong guy
i'm all for pushing of scientific boundaries however they care to go about it, i just think this particular one is stupid, opinion to which i am very much entitled, surely you can see that and be more careful about assuming things in an argument before dropping the big words
oh, and please don't compare the study of microbes or columbus' ideas to this, those were very practical projects with evident benefits. taking risks in the the pursuit of innovation, understanding, or wealth, does not equal investing valuable resources into something that has no practical value. -and what bothers me isn't that they're doing it, but that there's this hypocrisy about this whole thing in that it hides under the pretense of being something reputable when it's barely more than an elitist version of those "brainiac" type of shows - for a main drive at least
and ye, while scientists do stumble upon great discoveries every once in a while accidentally, we'd get nowhere if instead of goal-oriented research we'd get this kind of joke experiment that looks to me more like grownups playing with their cool toys rather than serious researchers spending their time and resources on an experiment with projected benefits
-yes, i can see them making money were they to succeed with this, but unless more information as to what the specific scientific value of such an experiment would be is released by them, i can't take it seriously or give it more credit than i would give to a host of random publicity stunts coming from other less prestigious domains than clone research
note: i do respect the value of experimenting with random stuff just for the sake of it, as it's a good component of human individual development and evolution as a species, BUT this isn't art or circus. call it circus research and i'll be fine with that
though who knows, they might actually discover something amazing while doing this, anything's possible, and i'll think it;s very ironic if they do. till then, i think it's funny as hell, and that some guys with money/brainpower are too bored for their, and our, own good
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I thought this was already done. I remember hearing about this in school (with the mammoth and the exact method described) upwards of 5 years ago. Maybe it was just an idea then and now they are actually doing it? I don't know.
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This is really interesting. Will be a giant leap for science if it works. And will demolish the sci-fi business! :D
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On January 19 2011 00:41 anatem wrote:Show nested quote +
Funny how whenever there's a thread about some random scientific undertaking, there are always people seemingly pissed off at the fact that we're studying our surroundings rather than solving world hunger or whatever.
it's got noting to do with that, i appreciate your sensitivity to puritanical narrow-minded argumentation, but boy you got the wrong guy i'm all for pushing of scientific boundaries however they care to go about it, i just think this particular one is stupid, opinion to which i am very much entitled, surely you can see that and be more careful about assuming things in an argument before dropping the big words oh, and please don't compare the study of microbes or columbus' ideas to this, those were very practical projects with evident benefits. taking risks in the the pursuit of innovation, understanding, or wealth, does not equal investing valuable resources into something that has no practical value. -and what bothers me isn't that they're doing it, but that there's this hypocrisy about this whole thing in that it hides under the pretense of being something reputable when it's barely more than an elitist version of those "brainiac" type of shows - for a main drive at least and ye, while scientists do stumble upon great discoveries every once in a while accidentally, we'd get nowhere if instead of goal-oriented research we'd get this kind of joke experiment that looks to me more like grownups playing with their cool toys rather than serious researchers spending their time and resources on an experiment with projected benefits -yes, i can see them making money were they to succeed with this, but unless more information as to what the specific scientific value of such an experiment would be is released by them, i can't take it seriously or give it more credit than i would give to a host of random publicity stunts coming from other less prestigious domains than clone research note: i do respect the value of experimenting with random stuff just for the sake of it, as it's a good component of human individual development and evolution as a species, BUT this isn't art or circus. call it circus research and i'll be fine with that though who knows, they might actually discover something amazing while doing this, anything's possible, and i'll think it;s very ironic if they do. till then, i think it's funny as hell, and that some guys with money/brainpower are too bored for their, and our, own good "Circus science" don't you think you're somewhat belittling the efforts of biologists, ecologists and etiologists across the world closely studying nature and all things living? If anything, the opportunity to study a lifeform that went extinct nearly 10,000 years ago should be even more worthwhile. And that is completely disregarding whatever value and application there may be in advancing our cloning techniques. Even if the mammoth isn't hugely important to us, there may very well be other extinct life forms that are.
"evident benefits" obviously not so evident at the time being.
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Eh... this isn't really resurrecting mammoths.. it is more like cloning like someone said. But this method has been used on a ton of stuff. Sheeps, Goats, etc...
Hopefully it works.. would be cool to see one.
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I'm totally for this. Who says this is playing god?
"God" did manage to kill all of them off, but if you think about it, he also gave us the ability to improve intellectually and at the same time, since he's incapable of accidents, deliberately left us preserved mammoth DNA. Clearly he wants this to happen no?
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On January 19 2011 00:40 ChaseR wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MammothPsh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose. Show nested quote +..."If a cloned embryo can be created, we need to discuss, before transplanting it into the womb, how to breed (the mammoth) and whether to display it to the public," Iritani said I know what they're going to breed it with...women! They'll open it to the public alright, as a beastality porn shack to fulfill their mens sexually suppressed need for bizarre fetish sex. Heck they'd make millions of that idea. Show nested quote +"After the mammoth is born, we will examine its ecology and genes to study why the species became extinct and other factors.".. It's pretty obvious why it went extinct it was to huge to survive in a forest and... Show nested quote +The spread of advanced human hunters through northern Eurasia and the Americas around the time of the extinctions was a new development, and thus probably contributed significantly. Data derived from studies done on living elephants suggest human hunting was likely a strong contributing factor in the mammoth's final extinction. Homo erectus is known to have consumed mammoth meat as early as 1.8 million years ago. Clone a fucking Mammoth in 5 years...don't they know how huge a Mammoth is? What's the point? The Elephant is already almost extinct...NO let's cross breed it with a mammoth and see what the results are...can you imagine the complications. And how would they control such a beast? Mammoth's are not domesticated and friendly like Manfred in Ice Age. Someone fucking facepalm with me please? x_x
I really don't think there's anything to be 'learnt' from a work of fiction.
You make it sound like a mammoth would mean the end of the whole.
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I heard on QI that toads used to test pregnancy in the 1950's broke out and had some sort of disease that spread across the globe and threatened 75% of all ambient life just because man wanted to know if his woman was pregnant -_-
I really don't think there's anything to be 'learnt' from a work of fiction Oh please shove your ignorance, do you know how Star Trek influenced modern scientists and technology, the ideas for the cellphone, ipods etc. (There was a whole documentary with William shatner about it.)
@oBlade It's when these genetically altered specimens are being released in the wild that unexpected results and mutations occur when they mix together back into the eco system.
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On January 19 2011 00:40 ChaseR wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MammothPsh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose. On the contrary, the force of nature is mas/sive compared to what a couple of early 21st century scientists can do. And this has nothing to do with repopulating a species or reintroducing a species to the environment. Civilized countries have laws that work against importing exotic foreign species because of the consequences.
Hell doesn't break loose* all the time either. Genetic manipulation in the form of selective breeding works just fine - think of the square watermelons in Japan or whatever. Fuck, all manner of domesticated crops and livestock are viable sources of food because of human intervention.
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the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.=
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This has been discuessed for many years. I believe I first read something about this in 2000. As for their reasoning behind why they want a mammoth to discover why it went extinct that is probably the stupidest reason for cloning one. We know why it went extinct or at the very least have a very good reasoning behind it. To clone it to see if there are any medical gains or information we can learn about restablishing some other chains of species is however a good reason.
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On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote: the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.= Why not?
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Oh common, Science is the only field where the answer "because we can" is legitimate. Please do not take this from us. And this is precisely the point of the undertaking, to show that one can pull it off. Everything else is just pretense. Studying a mammoth? Please. Since it will not be able to learn behaviors from other mammothes it is pretty useless for behavioral studies.
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I have a huge bananagrin right now. This is really nothing but scientists playing God, but that doesn't matter if it's AWESOME.
Oh, and we might learn something about the thing, but that would just be an interesting side-effect.
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On January 19 2011 01:18 Electric.Jesus wrote: Oh common, Science is the only field where the answer "because we can" is legitimate. Please do not take this from us. And this is precisely the point of the undertaking, to show that one can pull it off. Everything else is just pretense. Studying a mammoth? Please. Since it will not be able to learn behaviors from other mammothes it is pretty useless for behavioral studies.
They'd be looking at more of the ecology... and some of the behavior is going to be partially hardwired... particularly if they could start breeding groups of mammoths.
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Title is kind of misleading. It should be cloning instead of resurrecting.
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On January 19 2011 01:57 Kaasflipje wrote: Title is kind of misleading. It should be cloning instead of resurrecting. I know. I felt it was pretty obvious they weren't actually resurrecting a mammoth though so I kept the headline of the article.
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On January 18 2011 22:45 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote: What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point? Progress in the field of cloning? Setting up a working method to prevent future extinction? Proof that humans are now capable of creating life that no longer exists, something a large majority o earth believes only deities can do? Wat? Pretty sure this is nothing of the sort....but still mega-cool.
I'm pretty sure if they have to use existing DNA from existing preserved mammoth cells, they aren't "creating" anything. If they were making some random new animal from scratch, then maybe you'd have a point.
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On January 19 2011 03:23 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 22:45 Fa1nT wrote:On January 18 2011 22:38 Scaipax wrote: What's the point? It's all kewl and stuff, but what's the point? Progress in the field of cloning? Setting up a working method to prevent future extinction? Proof that humans are now capable of creating life that no longer exists, something a large majority o earth believes only deities can do? Wat? Pretty sure this is nothing of the sort....but still mega-cool. I'm pretty sure if they have to use existing DNA from existing preserved mammoth cells, they aren't "creating" anything. If they were making some random new animal from scratch, then maybe you'd have a point.
Not out loud, where funders can hear, but biologists and geneticists have wanted to "play god" for many years behind closed doors.
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On January 19 2011 01:09 ChaseR wrote: Oh please shove your ignorance, do you know how Star Trek influenced modern scientists and technology, the ideas for the cellphone, ipods etc. (There was a whole documentary with William shatner about it.) .
You're right. It influences technology. It gives people ideas to work towards. We model real life around fiction.
Fiction however, does not dictate how nature or any other beings act. It has absolutely not influence on them. We do not see whales swallowing humans, monkeys being trained to fly spaceships or anything of that sort. Unless the mammoth reads Jurassic Park and goes: "Hey, that's pretty cool, lets work towards being like that T-Rex", I don't see the connection.
If you're saying that Jurassic Park gives us an idea of how the mammoth may act, remember that the whole piece of work is speculation. I wouldn't even dare to call it speculation as there is no context. Anyway, it'd be pretty boring to read about a successful dinosaur theme park wouldn't it?
If I wrote fictitious novel about resurrected triceratops that were all friendly and played with babies and mowed my lawn and stuff, why couldn't my piece of work be used to predict how a resurrected mammoth would act?
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On January 18 2011 21:16 Redunzl wrote: "scientists" will do x... tell us which organization is funding them. "scientists" are always employed by someone.. usually government or multi-national corporations.
the graph doesnt show the inbred offspring of the eventual two adult mammoths. ahh the mindset of a conspiracist. 1. Who said they were going to create two mammoths and breed them to try and recreate the entire species... 2. Why would the offspring of the unlikely breeding of the clones be inbred.. why would the scientists use the same Elephant to birth both of them, plus these are still animals, inbreeding is common and almost completely negligible. 3. Who cares who they are funded by? It's for the advancement of Science...
????? so confusing ?????
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On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote:Show nested quote +I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next. Jurassic Park? Also, the methods they plan to use aren't new or anything (at least I believe so). What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics? It would be a proof-of-concept. The next step would be saddling up and riding em. Also, recreating velociraptors, I imagine, should be fairly high up the priority list.
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On January 19 2011 01:17 DrainX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote: the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.= Why not? Because humans weren't made at all. Remember evolution? It's without intention. 
+ Show Spoiler +edit: sorry for the double post, I just clicked quote... ^^
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Mammoth themes giant mecha robos from japan <3
but in all seriousness, this is pretty cool and it'd be pretty great leap forward in genetic engineering
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I can't wait until the Tusks are commercialized and the meat harvested to feed thousands. think about how many kids wouldn't go starving if there was a healthy population of Mammoth to provide meat to them and their families.
The Tusks could be used to fashion luxuries sold at a high price, which the proceeds could be used to counteract the financial loss from giving away the meat that could have otherwise been sold.
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How could this possibly go wrong?
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Pretty bad ass if it's actually working.
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There's no danger to clone a mammoth.
I'd be much more worried about cloning small insects or more niche animals that don't have natural predators. If, years from now in some weird sci-fi scenario, mammoth populations began covering the planet it'd be simple to kill them off, but insects and small animals (rabbits in Australia) can be impossible to deal with.
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Quick question? Why is everybody convinced that mammoths will taste good? Played too much age of empires? From what I have found out on the internet, elephant meat is "not repulsive" which is not what I would be looking for in meat, to be honest.
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On January 19 2011 04:50 Electric.Jesus wrote: Quick question? Why is everybody convinced that mammoths will taste good? Played too much age of empires? From what I have found out on the internet, elephant meat is "not repulsive" which is not what I would be looking for in meat, to be honest.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=34736/chunk-o-mammoth
Doesn't that look tasty? Well, if it was cooked?
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On January 19 2011 01:17 DrainX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote: the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.= Why not?
Haha i guess technically since we are made in gods own image we are mini wana be god's ? oh wait the worst sin of all is pretending to be god ...
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On January 18 2011 21:14 Chriamon wrote: Probably won't work, weren't scientists already trying to resurrect the Tazmanian tiger, which has only been extinct for ~60 years, to no success.
On January 18 2011 21:14 ZerGuy wrote:Show nested quote +I found this pretty intriguing, and I really hope they succeed. Makes you wonder what's next. Jurassic Park? Also, the methods they plan to use aren't new or anything (at least I believe so). What's the point? Do we want to make mammoths walk the surface of earth, or is it for making steps forward in genetics?
From what I've read it's new breaktroughs in genetic science that makes this more possible. Sure they've known other methods earlier.
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On January 19 2011 05:20 BritishBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 01:17 DrainX wrote:On January 19 2011 01:10 clayn wrote: the human wasnt made for being a wannabe god. =.= Why not? Haha i guess technically since we are made in gods own image we are mini wana be god's ? oh wait the worst sin of all is pretending to be god ... If it works then it does, If it doesn't try harder.
If we stopped making new discoveries or advanced our technology we'd still be without televisions and computers. The guy who invented the wheel probably is considered a God because if it never got invented imagine the pain in the lower back, the dead bodies. the long travel distances. Ect
I think its good they try. But i hope they have prepared for everything that possibly could go wrong. It might turn out 100x stronger than they thought and a city may fall.
Ugh i'm probably fantasying about it again.
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Resurrecting extinct species would be awesome, but it's kinda scary ^^
On January 19 2011 04:12 whiteguycash wrote: I can't wait until the Tusks are commercialized and the meat harvested to feed thousands. think about how many kids wouldn't go starving if there was a healthy population of Mammoth to provide meat to them and their families.
The Tusks could be used to fashion luxuries sold at a high price, which the proceeds could be used to counteract the financial loss from giving away the meat that could have otherwise been sold.
There's no way that something like this would be used in a way to "help" other people You'd also have to feed the Mammoth until it's grown up, so you'd probably pay much more than you can get out of selling the stuff
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On January 19 2011 00:06 Jstor wrote:You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could...you never stopped to think if you should ![[image loading]](http://cghm.org/wow/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ian_malcolm.jpg)
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Condors, if I were to clone a flock of condors, you wouldn't have anything to say!
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Even if the cloning works, the mammoth won't be identical to what existed in an ancient mammoth. Sure, the nuclear material is the same, but the maternal factors will relate to the elephant egg donor, not the mammoth. It won't be a full fledged clone but more of a hybrid of sorts(this type of blend happens in all types of cloning).
The DNA also isn't as straight forward as many people that learn about cloning believe. There are factors(epigenetics) a lot of scientists don't understand, particularly with age. The mammoth may be born as a baby, but the nuclear DNA in the cells of the mammoth will still be as old as the mammoth it was derived from.
This will be sufficient enough to learn enough about a single mammoth, but it won't be enough to bring back mammoths as a species.
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On January 18 2011 22:12 anatem wrote: good luck to them in this completely retardedly futile endeavor.
elephants are fast becoming obsolete, and i'm not saying that because they've been hunted to the brink of extinction, but because situations where tigers or lions effectively hunt adult male elephants are becoming more and more common. if this isn't nature's way of saying "your time is up", i don't know what is
now the purpose of a mammoth on earth is what again ? not like you're gonna raise herds like with cows for food. and they might as well clone something else if they want to work on their technology and make some breakthroughs in science instead of headlines in tabloids
Man what is wrong with you. They're doing it because cloning Mammoths is COOOOOL.
I mean, that's what drives science, at heart. Atom theory or early Space research wasn't initiated out of immediate benefit, they were done out of curiosity alone.
Psh...they of all people should have learned the lessons of Jurassic Park, throughout history humans have destroyed and threatened to extinct most of the ambient lifeforms on this planet because of interfering and trying to control nature. The evolution of life on this planet Is like a billion years old, whenever "scientist" go about changing the biological eco system with gene manipulation thinking they can predict the result they end up with unpredictable unwanted results they can't rectify and all hell breaks lose.
Feel like a lot of people here needs to read this and get some perspective.
http://dresdencodak.com/comics/2009-09-22-caveman_science_fiction.jpg
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This just sounds awesome. I cant wait to see a giant mammoth. I hope they really look like we expected and dont have acid spitting capabilities!
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No hold on, this is not some species that was obliterated by deforestation, or the building of a dam. Mammoths, uh, *had* their shot, and nature *selected* them for extinction!
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They've been talking about doing this ever since at least the 90s. It's about time they actually do it.
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