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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 01 2016 02:49 GMT
#1461
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 01 2016 04:51 GMT
#1462
New wallpaper for 2016!

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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
January 02 2016 16:23 GMT
#1463
On December 23 2015 09:54 radscorpion9 wrote:
I had no idea reusable rockets were such a big deal. Apparently a single launch from a falcon 9 rocket costs 56.5 million (Wikipedia). Space X stated that if they are successful in developing reusable launch systems, they can bring that cost down to $5 - 7 million. That's quite amazing.

I wonder at what point does it become feasible to actually use rockets to throw away garbage from the Earth. In particular liquefied CO2 to help combat global warming. I'm guessing someone has already asked this online so off I go to research

Edit: Well I didn't find much specific, but I did find an extremely fascinating idea proposed by Professor Alfred Wong of the University of California, Los Angeles. For anyone interested, you can use the Earth's magnetic field to help propel ionized CO2 particles into space. www.economist.com. Anyway I shan't derail any further


As earth we should not throw any mass permanently into space.
Every gram the earth looses in weight is a loss.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
January 02 2016 16:25 GMT
#1464
On December 30 2015 18:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
also, note the conclusion ," requires NASA to come back with a status update about how it has distributed funds within 180 days of the bill becoming law, which happened on December 18."

NASA got a funding increase and they have $55 million to spend on building a prototype and Congress wants the prototype done by 2018. i'd like to hear NASA's official reaction to the money and the deadline.

i think nothing will ever come of this and what we have here is some politicians trying to gain some right wing street cred by acting tough towards NASA about keeping things on budget and on time.



55m$ to build a prototype,lol
This can not be serious.
You can not even build a prototype of a new car for that amount of money.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 02 2016 19:46 GMT
#1465
On January 03 2016 01:23 Rassy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2015 09:54 radscorpion9 wrote:
I had no idea reusable rockets were such a big deal. Apparently a single launch from a falcon 9 rocket costs 56.5 million (Wikipedia). Space X stated that if they are successful in developing reusable launch systems, they can bring that cost down to $5 - 7 million. That's quite amazing.

I wonder at what point does it become feasible to actually use rockets to throw away garbage from the Earth. In particular liquefied CO2 to help combat global warming. I'm guessing someone has already asked this online so off I go to research

Edit: Well I didn't find much specific, but I did find an extremely fascinating idea proposed by Professor Alfred Wong of the University of California, Los Angeles. For anyone interested, you can use the Earth's magnetic field to help propel ionized CO2 particles into space. www.economist.com. Anyway I shan't derail any further


As earth we should not throw any mass permanently into space.
Every gram the earth looses in weight is a loss.


Thanks kenM
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-02 20:59:35
January 02 2016 20:45 GMT
#1466
On January 03 2016 01:25 Rassy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2015 18:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
also, note the conclusion ," requires NASA to come back with a status update about how it has distributed funds within 180 days of the bill becoming law, which happened on December 18."

NASA got a funding increase and they have $55 million to spend on building a prototype and Congress wants the prototype done by 2018. i'd like to hear NASA's official reaction to the money and the deadline.

i think nothing will ever come of this and what we have here is some politicians trying to gain some right wing street cred by acting tough towards NASA about keeping things on budget and on time.



55m$ to build a prototype,lol
This can not be serious.
You can not even build a prototype of a new car for that amount of money.


Red Bull's R&D bill for its F1 team has varied from $20 million to $120 million over the past 10 years. so i'm sure "a car" can be prototyped for $55 million. However, its unlikely a top of the line F1 race car can be prototyped for $55 million in 2016.

basically, NASA top officials and Congress are engaged in a PR tug-of-war negotiation. NASA advertises long range goals requiring deadlines multipe decades long with budgets in the 10s of billions of dollars. Congress fires back with a 2 year deadline and $55 million. Both sides are trying to score points with voters/taxpayers.

Also, NASA has some discretion in how they spend their funding increase. They can spend more than $55 million on this specific prototype if they wish to take money away from other projects in 2016 and 2017. Cancelling Mars Insight, for example, might be a way to put more cash towards this prototype.

I've offered a pretty skeptical perspective when it comes to human space travel ; the US Congress is playing right into that skepticism with their latest actions because they believe its the best way to get votes and appear responsible with taxpayer cash.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 03 2016 01:53 GMT
#1467
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 04 2016 20:15 GMT
#1468
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
January 08 2016 01:47 GMT
#1469
a news item regarding some lesser known Apollo images.
some interesting photos.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-best-lesser-known-vintage-apollo-images/ss-AAgusPY#image=26
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 08 2016 05:26 GMT
#1470


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 12 2016 08:25 GMT
#1471


GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 13:44:14
January 12 2016 13:43 GMT
#1472
NASA just opened up an office in order to protect earth from Asteroids, and Black Holes, and stuff like that. I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot safer knowing we now have a NASA office to protect us from being sucked into a black hole or from being hit by asteroids.

http://www.cnet.com/news/goal-of-new-nasa-office-protect-earth-from-asteroids/

Jeb BUsh, however , disagrees. This Republican Presidential candidate takes a shot at NASA while complimenting SpaceX and Blue Origin.
http://spacenews.com/jeb-bush-nasa-has-lost-its-purpose/
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 12 2016 18:31 GMT
#1473
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-12 20:05:34
January 12 2016 20:05 GMT
#1474
That gave me goosebumps knowing I have a chance to visit at least LEO before I die.
Life?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 16:33:45
January 13 2016 15:58 GMT
#1475
Pretty cool seeing Wernher Von Braun's vision of manned space travel and how he deals with space radiation and electrical power generation.



the refueling stage in low earth orbit is particularly interesting.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24686 Posts
January 13 2016 17:04 GMT
#1476
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any mention of how to deal with space radiation... only radiation from the reactor powering the ship. I noticed there was no delay in communications when the ship was near the moon... communications should take second or two at that range in each direction.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 20:27:27
January 13 2016 20:25 GMT
#1477
On January 14 2016 02:04 micronesia wrote:
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any mention of how to deal with space radiation... only radiation from the reactor powering the ship.


true. also, my "low earth orbit" comment is not completely accurate either. Low earth orbit is at most 400 KM off the earth's surface; however, WVB's theoretic space station was 1600 KM off the earth's surface. Still not far away from earth , but not what is viewed as "low earth orbit" in modern times.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 20:26:31
January 13 2016 20:26 GMT
#1478
double post please delete.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 14 2016 21:56 GMT
#1479
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 16 2016 01:46 GMT
#1480

GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
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