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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
April 10 2021 15:18 GMT
#3681
I always liked Rupert Sheldrakes ideas about the existence of 'form-giving' fields. Though it couldn't be studied with definite results in the past, it's what I thought about first when I saw the news.

Couple it with consciousness not having a biological source. You can tell that neuronal activity is correlated with conscience, but a neuron on its own isn't conscious or a source of it. That's what is called emergence.

So in my mind I sort of settled with the idea that consciousness is somewhat of a constant, with our brains having the capacity to lease a part of it. Also allows me to be somewhat religious.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11940 Posts
April 10 2021 21:14 GMT
#3682
On April 10 2021 22:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Didn't know where to put this, but did anyone see the Fermilab press conference this week?
They produced a bizarre result about the anomalous magnetic dipole moment of the muon, meaning there might be some completely unknown physics to look for.
It might not sound exciting, but to physicists its potentially more exciting than when CERN found the Higgs boson.

The main problem with the Higgs Boson thing is that it was basically just showing what was expected. Which is good and important, but not excessively exciting. "We found a particle with the expected attributes of the Higgs particle at the mass we would expect it at, thus it seems as if the Standard Model works well in this area, too" is an important result, but not revolutionary.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 11 2021 19:54 GMT
#3683
In the latest in a long line of twists, SpaceX has requested permission from the FCC to operate a Starlink internet antenna installed on Starship serial number 15 (SN15).

The first in a planned batch of four or more upgraded Starship prototypes, SN15 was rolled a mile down the road from SpaceX’s South Texas factory to its suborbital launch pad late last week. Around the same time that its aft tank section was being prepped for nose installation on April 3rd, some of the first 360-degree views of the rocket revealed an unusual porthole-esque addition just above the Starship’s forward tank dome. As far back as Starhopper in 2019, Starships have used that space between tank and nosecone as an installation point for avionics, Tesla batteries, and a number of radio and GPS antennas, among other things.

The new hardware generally fell under the radar but most that took note assumed it was some kind of antenna upgrade. As it turns out, that speculation was almost certainly correct – but not in the way most expected.



When SN15’s new antenna first appeared, the author speculated that it bore a striking resemblance to a SpaceX Starlink dish. However, another forum user argued that it was more likely an upgraded S-band antenna akin to those used on SpaceX’s Falcon rockets. The author later noted that the S-band antenna pass-through located on the interstage of Falcon boosters was almost the same size as the new antenna and shroud visible on Starship SN15, seemingly closing the case.

Nine days later, SpaceX asked the FCC for permission to operate a Starlink dish (user terminal) in Boca Chica “at altitudes not to exceed 12.5 km” during operations “on the ground or during test flights.” In other words, the antenna installed on Starship SN15 is almost certainly a Starlink dish. Surrounded by an aerodynamic shroud, the antenna is firmly fixed on the rocket and would rely entirely upon cutting-edge phased array beamforming to electronically ‘steer’ itself to both transmit and receive from one or more of almost a thousand operational Starlink satellites currently in orbit.

In SpaceX’s FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) request, the company curiously asked for the 60-day test period to begin on April 20th. Even if the FCC moves extremely quickly and grants the STA within a few days to a week of SpaceX’s April 9th request, it’s unlikely that the company would delay Starship SN15 test or launch plans by almost ten days to wait for permission to use the rocket’s new Starlink antenna. In other words, while SN15 is the first Starship to have a Starlink antenna installed, there’s a decent chance it won’t be the first to actually put that capability to the test – both on the ground or during a launch.

While unlikely, the fact that SpaceX’s Starship SN15 Starlink antenna installation is almost the same size as Falcon 9’s reliable but far more basic S-band setup also begs the question of whether success on Starship test flights could eventually lead to the addition of Starlink dishes on future Falcon boosters. Regardless, Starship SN15 is on track to kick off a busy week of qualification testing in South Texas. If the rocket suffers any significant delays, as has admittedly been the norm for Starship prototypes, there’s a good chance SN15 could begin testing its Starlink dish around the middle of next week.


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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12132 Posts
April 11 2021 19:57 GMT
#3684
So what does it matter that they have a better antenna on their space craft? Is it for testing for Lunar or Martian journeys in the future and they want to test it?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
April 11 2021 20:06 GMT
#3685
On April 12 2021 04:57 Yurie wrote:
So what does it matter that they have a better antenna on their space craft? Is it for testing for Lunar or Martian journeys in the future and they want to test it?


There's currently communication blackouts for a fair chunk of the falcon's trip to orbit whenever there's no ground stations in range. If they could get communication through all engine lit stages, that is better for understanding how the vehicle is performing at all stages of the flight, without reliance on recorded data
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 11 2021 20:13 GMT
#3686
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 12 2021 21:36 GMT
#3687


So Blue Origin will have a dress rehearsal of crewed flight...

During the mission, astronaut operational exercises will be conducted in preparation for human space flight. The primary operations will entail Blue Origin personnel standing in as astronauts entering into the capsule prior to launch. These astronauts will climb the launch tower, get into their seats, buckle their harnesses, and conduct a communications check from their seat with CAPCOM, the Capsule Communicator. The tower operations team will prepare the capsule cabin for launch and then briefly close the capsule hatch. The astronauts will then exit the capsule prior to launch.

Post-landing, the astronauts will get inside the capsule to rehearse hatch opening, and exiting the capsule at the landing site.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 13 2021 14:48 GMT
#3688
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 13 2021 18:09 GMT
#3689
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2021 14:46 GMT
#3690
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2021 17:24 GMT
#3691
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-15 12:48:59
April 15 2021 12:46 GMT
#3692
Traffic jam on the ISS, now Boeing has to wait for a space to open up. The ISS can't be expanded or modernized without tens of billions of dollars to do such a thing so as to add another docking adapter.

About five weeks have passed since Boeing updated the status of its Starliner spacecraft, with the company saying it was "evaluating" a new target launch date for its next mission. This test flight of Starliner, which will not carry crew, is destined to launch on an Atlas V rocket and dock with the International Space Station for about a week before returning to Earth.

Despite the lack of an official update, it now seems likely that Boeing and NASA are targeting late July or early August for this test flight. This is largely due to traffic at the International Space Station rather than the readiness of Starliner itself. Two NASA sources said the vehicle is "close" to being ready, with only a few small tests to certify the spacecraft for flight remaining. Starliner is therefore expected to be ready to fly by early summer.

Traffic jam

The primary issue is the availability of space station docking ports fitted with an "international docking adapter," which are used by SpaceX's Crew Dragon, Cargo Dragon 2, and Starliner vehicles. There are presently two such ports on the station, and for NASA, the priority for access to these ports are crew rotations followed by supply missions. So the question becomes when the Starliner test flight can find an open slot on station.

The Crew-2 mission, carrying four astronauts on SpaceX's Crew Dragon vehicle, is expected to launch on April 22 and remain attached to one of these ports for about six months. Then, on June 3, a SpaceX cargo supply mission (CRS-22) is due to launch and occupy the other port.

Thus, there will be no docking ports available this summer until about July 20, the approximate date when the CRS-22 Dragon will depart the station and return to Earth. This departure will open an approximately one-month window during which Starliner could make its test flight. Therefore, although NASA and Boeing have not yet made a target date public, we can expect this flight to take place no earlier than late July or early August.

Starliner would likely remain attached to the station for about a week—depending on the needs of the International Space Station program—before landing in the southwestern United States. The next Dragon supply mission, CRS-23, is slated to arrive in late August, by which time Starliner will need to have left.

The upcoming Starliner test flight will be the vehicle's second uncrewed flight, which was necessitated after a problematic test mission in December 2019. During that flight, several software problems caused the spacecraft to be nearly lost minutes after launch and then again shortly before it was due to re-enter Earth's atmosphere. NASA declared the mishap a "high-visibility close call." As a result, Boeing agreed to perform a second uncrewed test flight after a rigorous review of the vehicle's flight software.

When crew?

After this repeat test flight, which is officially known as Orbital Flight Test-2, NASA and Boeing will perform a detailed data analysis. One source said that optimistically, this process would require about six months. This would push a crewed test flight into January 2022. Another NASA official said the spacecraft would not fly until the "hardware is ready and it makes the most sense to fly based on station's needs." He added that there is no clock on this crewed flight test, since NASA already has an operational vehicle, Crew Dragon, to meet its astronaut-rotation needs.

One source expressed "hope" that a 2021 launch date could be found for Starliner's crew test flight, but more realistically, the mission will slip into 2022. Although there is an availability of space station ports in November, there are presently no slots in December. A source with knowledge of space station flight schedules suggested that the best opportunity for Starliner's crewed flight test, commanded by astronaut Butch Wilmore, would likely come in February 2022. At that time, tentatively, there is scheduled to be an open docking port on the station. This slot would also provide about seven months to assess data from Orbital Flight Test-2 and clear humans to fly on Starliner.

Finally, if this crew test flight is successful, Boeing could fly its first "operational" Starliner mission for NASA. This would carry a full complement of four astronauts to the space station for about six months and would happen sometime later in 2022, most likely during the April or September time frames.


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
April 15 2021 13:07 GMT
#3693
They're going to have to expand it eventually. There's just no getting around it. Their Artemis plan is going to take time, so they might as well begin. Having an expanded ISS is better than having to wait for ports to open as space flight becomes more regular and would help with transiting to work on the Artemis relay. It's International for a reason: get the involved countries to promise 10bn each. Should be more than enough.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 16 2021 04:07 GMT
#3694
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-16 18:06:04
April 16 2021 17:44 GMT
#3695
This will/can become political very, very fast. Keep in mind who owns the Washington Post...



edit: It's out:

NASA on Friday selected Elon Musk’s SpaceX to build spacecraft that would land astronauts on the moon for the first time since the last Apollo mission, according to a source selection document obtained by The Washington Post.

The contract marks another major victory for the hard-charging company that vaults it to the top tier of the nation’s aerospace companies and solidifies it as one of the space agency’s most trusted partners.

In winning the $2.9 billion contract, SpaceX beat out Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin, which had formed what it called a “national team” by partnering with aerospace giants Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Draper. SpaceX also won over Dynetics, a defense contractor based in Huntsville, Ala. (Bezos owns The Washington Post.)

NASA had originally chosen all three companies for the initial phase of the contract, and was expected to choose two of them to build the lunar lander. In other major programs, NASA has chosen multiple providers to foster competition and to ensure it has redundancy in case one can’t deliver.

But in choosing SpaceX alone, it sent a message that it fully trusts the growing company to fly its astronauts for its signature human exploration program — the Artemis program, a campaign to return astronauts to the moon for the first time since 1972.

NASA is set to make the official announcement at 4 p.m. Eastern, according to a person with knowledge but not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

Over the past several years, SpaceX, founded by Musk in 2002 with the goal of eventually flying humans to Mars, has completely upended the space industry, moving through fast, and at times fiery test campaigns that have unsettled traditional industry officials but also ignited new waves of enthusiasm not seen since the early days of the Space Age.

For the Artemis program, SpaceX bid its reusable Starship spacecraft, which is being designed to fly large numbers of people into deep space and land on celestial bodies as well as back on Earth.

The company has been putting it through a fast-paced test campaign at its facility in south Texas, launching prototypes without any people on board several miles up in the air then flying them back to a landing site.

So far, all the test vehicles have crash landed in a series of fireballs that triggered investigations overseen by the Federal Aviation Administration. But the company is expected to try again soon with a test vehicle that Musk has said is outfitted with several upgrades. And it hopes to be able to fly the spacecraft to orbit this year.

SpaceX was one of two providers hired by NASA to fly its astronauts to the International Space Station. It flew two missions with astronauts last year and has its next mission scheduled for Thursday. Boeing is the other company hired to ferry crews to the station and back. But it has stumbled badly, and has yet to fly a test mission with astronauts.

That’s a reason why NASA is best suited having at least two providers, officials said, and the pressure will be on SpaceX to perform. According to the source selection document, SpaceX’s bid “was the lowest among the offerors by a wide margin." NASA also liked Starship’s ability to ferry a lot of cargo to and from the surface of the moon as well, which it said “has the potential to greatly improve scientific operations.”

The Artemis program was an initiative that began under former president Trump and has been embraced by the Biden administration. But unlike Trump, which mandated that astronauts land on the moon by 2024, the White House now says the timeline is under review as it works to develop its rockets and spacecraft. It is also working with Congress to get the funding it needs.

For this fiscal year, Congress appropriated $850 million for the effort—well short of the $3.3 billion NASA said it needed to meet the 2024 timeline.

Earlier this month, the Biden administration proposed a $24.7 billion budget for NASA, a 6.3 percent increase that included an additional $325 million for the Artemis program.

Acting NASA Administrator Steve Jurczyk praised the request and said it “supports the development of capabilities for sustainable, long-duration human exploration beyond Earth, and eventually to Mars.”

Previously NASA vowed that it would land a woman on the moon as part of the first Artemis lunar landing. But in his statement, Jurczyk said the agency would also include the “first person of color,” as part of the program.

The White House recently nominated former Florida Sen. Bill Nelson to lead the agency. His confirmation hearing is scheduled for next week, and he is expected to win confirmation easily. During his time in Congress, Nelson was a strong advocate for space exploration, and he flew on the Space Shuttle in 1986 as a member of the House. If confirmed, he has said he would push to get the funding the Artemis program needs, as the agency reassesses the timeline for returning astronauts to the moon.

The contracts for the lunar landers come a year after NASA awarded three initial contracts to Blue Origin, Dynetics and SpaceX.

In awarding those contracts, NASA said Blue Origin and its team was furthest along and awarded it the largest contract, $579 million. Dynetics, which is partnering with the Sierra Nevada Corp, received $253 million, and SpaceX won $135 million.

The defeat is a huge blow Blue Origin, and to Bezos, who has long been fascinated by the moon and has for years wanted to be part of the effort to return there. He has said that watching Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin walk on the moon when he was 5 years old was “a seminal moment” for him.

Blue Origin has been pitching its landing system, known as Blue Moon, since 2017, and Bezos has said he would invest in it heavily himself. In 2019, Bezos said that the program is “so ambitious that it needs to be done with partners. This is the only way to get back to the moon fast. We’re not going back to the moon to visit. We’re going back to the moon to stay."


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
April 16 2021 18:28 GMT
#3696
SpaceX is the most proven to keep costs down and to get the cargo to where it needs to be. Lockheed is probably going to run over and balloon their budget. That SpaceX has thrown off NG and LM makes them desperate to stop fucking around and start delivering. Otherwise SpaceX is going to be the sole winner of a lot of grants.

But this is all spec. We need to see the systems and see them in action.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24156 Posts
April 18 2021 23:22 GMT
#3697
But in choosing SpaceX alone, it sent a message that it fully trusts the growing company to fly its astronauts for its signature human exploration program...

So far, all the test vehicles have crash landed in a series of fireballs...


Astronauts are some brave mofos.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
April 19 2021 00:28 GMT
#3698
SpaceX already flies astronauts to the ISS. Makes sense to go with the proven contractor, especially when the rest is more expensive and likely to go wildly over budget anyway.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
April 19 2021 00:36 GMT
#3699
And they're pretty much close to getting a Starship to land without exploding. So once that's done a few more times, they'll be on their way to the moon and Mars. That trip with the billionaire is in 2023, right? The Japanese guy? At the pace they go with iterative designing of the rockets, they should be able to achieve that goal.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 21 2021 16:24 GMT
#3700
As predicted Political maneuvering:





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