EPTRio de Janeiro on the edge of Civil War - Page 2
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Sounds like the OP will be fine though. Just hope he kept his fridge stocked. | ||
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AlexDeLarge
Romania218 Posts
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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Tevo
Netherlands75 Posts
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:35 AlexDeLarge wrote: I don't understand why the gangsters attacked civilians though. They have a beef against the government who promulgated that comunitary special police force law, not innocent civilians. Also, don't the mob and the government usually go hand in hand regarding corruption in 3rd world countries? How did they come to be in open conflict. third world country.Brazil.Ok. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:35 AlexDeLarge wrote: I don't understand why the gangsters attacked civilians though. They have a beef against the government who promulgated that comunitary special police force law, not innocent civilians. Also, don't the mob and the government usually go hand in hand regarding corruption in 3rd world countries? How did they come to be in open conflict. Its all about interest groups. The bus mafia is not friends with the drug mafia. And lately politicias have been able to sustain their corruption agendas without drug money because of the huge construction projects for the olimpics, and to make the olimpic works they need to well, pacify the city. It was just a question of getting the same corruption money but from a more legitimate source. it basically work like this. The drug gangs give money to police and politicias to leave them alone. The bus cartel gives money to politicias to get legislation done in their favor. And the new kids on the block, the civil construction guys, need the favelas destroyed to build new flashy condoms on top of it (ok not all the time, but its a motivation to give money to politicians if some of those juicy terrans end in your hand) and to do that politicias have to attack the gangs. Its all politics but this time it ended up favoring legitimate business over the drug mafia, which got them super fucking pissed big time. On November 25 2010 07:35 Kakera wrote: You seem well-informed. I know a lot of people who have relatives as officers in BOPE or the police etc;; | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:35 AlexDeLarge wrote: I don't understand why the gangsters attacked civilians though. They have a beef against the government who promulgated that comunitary special police force law, not innocent civilians. Also, don't the mob and the government usually go hand in hand regarding corruption in 3rd world countries? How did they come to be in open conflict. Why would they strike against a foe who can retaliate when they can instead terrorize civilians. The citizens will complain that the actions of the police have caused the gangster to up the ante in terms of violence. Ultimately if the people feel safer with the status quo there will be pressure for the police to back down. This isn't some sort of revolutionary force out to overthrow the government they're out to take money and control territory, usually these are easier to achieve without engaging in some sort of open warfare. | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:32 D10 wrote: I know I already answered you but let me add since you double posted, they have at this moment almost 40000 thousand man on the street trying to order the chaos. And they are unable to do so, unless they are given permission to attack. The bad guys are many, are everywhere, hidden under the disguise of society, the police cant be everywhere, and until they are given orders to seek and destroy (which our politicians seem to be OKing today) they cant really stop the chaos. sorry for the double post. safari likes to trick me. but now i get the situation thanks. 40000 seems promising. i think i heard about something like this about a year ago - when they said they shut down some gangs. since then i thought the situation would be better. so what im trying to ask: in your opinion will this work or is this just a sign of strength from the state? or does this happen every few years when those gangs gain back the strength? i guess id like to hear some personal thoughts from someone living there who has a bit more insight then europe newspapers.... so.. will it work?? and man, why dont you took a bus and visit someone outside of the city you may happen to know? ;( | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:42 D10 wrote: And the new kids on the block, the civil construction guys, need the favelas destroyed to build new flashy condoms on top of it (ok not all the time, but its a motivation to give money to politicians if some of those juicy terrans end in your hand) and to do that politicias have to attack the gangs. You mean condos right? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:45 leecH wrote: sorry for the double post. safari likes to trick me. but now i get the situation thanks. 40000 seems promising. i think i heard about something like this about a year ago - when they said they shut down some gangs. since then i thought the situation would be better. so what im trying to ask: in your opinion will this work or is this just a sign of strength from the state? or does this happen every few years when those gangs gain back the strength? i guess id like to hear some personal thoughts from someone living there who has a bit more insight then europe newspapers.... and man, why dont you took a bus and visit someone outside of the city you may happen to know? ;( Honestly ? my personal belief is that as long as gangsters can make money from selling drugs there will be problems with big organized mafias. We need to legalize drugs at some level, get that off the gangsters hands so they starve to death, without the drug money, they wouldnt be able to pay off anyone, and would quickly be arrested trying dangerous crimes. yea i do =) | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
the day all young adults would be in university trying their equivalent to SATs My sis is pissed, dunno whats gonna happen | ||
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Tekin
2711 Posts
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/24/brazil.rio.violence/index.html | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On November 25 2010 07:24 AlexDeLarge wrote: Does this have anything to do with the global financial crisis? Maybe we finally reached the point of en-mass mental breakdowns, and many things that used to be the norm yesteryear, now don't make any more sense. Unlike most countries, Brazil wasnt affected by the financial crisis at all. The criminal are most likely fighting over territory. Let BOPE kill them all. | ||
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Pinkie
United States145 Posts
When you say a 20 hour shootout do you mean like police officers raiding favelas trying to find drug lords and stuff like in Somalia?? | ||
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