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Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 23 2010 13:58 GMT
#1201
On November 23 2010 22:41 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 22:37 Tianx wrote:
the US has refused to resume the six party talks

North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.


North Korea did choose to discontinue the six party talks last year, but China has recently been pushing to resume the negotiations.

I was alluding to the recent statement made by the US envoy just yesterday.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/11/22/us_envoy_says_six_party_nkorea_talks_wont_resume/

If you have a source for NK wanting talks to start up again that puts an entirely different tint on the whole situation, but I'm highly doubtful. Considering recent events, that seems extremely unlikely regardless of pressure from China.

Your claim of what NK's 'master plan' of suckering other countries to send more aid seems very likely, and I'm curious to see if it's successful. It's clear that the talks were just a (very effective) way for NK to extract foreign aid in exchange for empty promises and everyone knows it at this point, which makes their scare tactics less effective since it could not be more obvious that they have no intentions of stopping their weapons program. Since they can no longer play their most potent 'no more nuclear development' card with any believability, a very large incentive to give them aid went up in smoke.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:59:05
November 23 2010 13:58 GMT
#1202
On November 23 2010 22:51 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 22:47 ComusLoM wrote:
On November 23 2010 22:43 Grettin wrote:
Though:
SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- President Lee Myung-bak ordered his military Tuesday to strike North Korea's missile base around its coastline artillery positions if it shows signs of additional provocation, his spokeswoman said.




http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/23/0200000000AEN20101123013200315.HTML


I really hope this deters any further action from North Korea, surely they'll be less likely to want to escalate this while the South Korean military is on high alert. We can pretty much assume there will only be harsh talks from now on, rather than actual military action.


I don't even see the point of all this anymore -_- all they do is little pot shots and then there is some tenstion and nothing comes of it... Either stop all together or do something.


The problem is that nobody wants to shoulder the burden. South Korea's capital is withing sneezing distance, China wants short-term stability for economic growth, America is already over-extended, and everyone is dealing with global economic turmoil.

This is actually the root of the problem - the outside world is too busy to deal with North Korea at the moment so they are lashing out for attention.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Stenstyren
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden619 Posts
November 23 2010 14:00 GMT
#1203
On November 23 2010 22:37 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
the US has refused to resume the six party talks

North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.



NK left the six party talks because nothing was achieved there. Basically, NK had a wishlist that they wanted to get approved but the US told them that they had to complete their old promises before they get any new treats. This is a way to force the US to come back to the negotiation table and actually offer something.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6184 Posts
November 23 2010 14:01 GMT
#1204
oh my god. north korea needs a better leader this is sad..
John Acton
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden13 Posts
November 23 2010 14:02 GMT
#1205
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Blackrobe
Profile Joined August 2010
United States806 Posts
November 23 2010 14:02 GMT
#1206
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.


Oh geez...
"To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future."
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:04:43
November 23 2010 14:03 GMT
#1207
S. Korea may strike N. Korea's missile base: President Lee
SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- President Lee Myung-bak ordered his military Tuesday to strike North Korea's missile base around its coastline artillery positions if it shows signs of additional provocation, his spokeswoman said.

In a video conference with Gen. Han Min-koo, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the president ordered "multiple-fold retaliation" against the North for its artillery attack on a South Korean island, according to presidential spokeswoman Kim Hee-jung.

"President Lee instructed (the military) to strike North Korea's missile base near coastline artillery position if necessary... if there in an indication of further provocation," the spokeswoman said.


This looks pretty bad now

edit: saw it was already posted, sorry
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 23 2010 14:04 GMT
#1208
On November 23 2010 23:02 Blackrobe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.


Oh geez...

I just saw that and I was kinda dumbfounded. It's our fault that Kim Jong Il is a nutjob who shells an island for no reason?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:08:05
November 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#1209
The only thing I like in North Korea are their newscasters. They just have attitude.


Back on topic, there is no way that China will compromise its own national security just because NK gets into trouble... I don't understand why people are worrying about that.


EDIT: Holy crap, they now blame US for the situation? That's ridiculous...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
November 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#1210
(LEAD) S. Korea vows 'stern retaliation' against N. Korea's attacks


http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2010/11/23/81/0301000000AEN20101123013700315F.HTML


Hopefully it wont go that far.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Alienator
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania11 Posts
November 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#1211
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.

Who is Yueliu and why does his opinion count?
http://sc2sig.com/s/eu/225043-1.png
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
November 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#1212
On November 23 2010 23:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I just saw that and I was kinda dumbfounded. It's our fault that Kim Jong Il is a nutjob who shells an island for no reason?

Well, they have their reasons. No drills near their coast next time.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
John Acton
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden13 Posts
November 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#1213
On November 23 2010 23:06 Alienator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.

Who is Yueliu and why does his opinion count?


He's a professor of mathematics, you are correct his opinion doesn't really matter. I read it as coming straight from Beijing. That's what you get from reading too fast.
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:09:57
November 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#1214
misread, just ignore me.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:10:35
November 23 2010 14:10 GMT
#1215
On November 23 2010 22:58 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 22:41 Consolidate wrote:
On November 23 2010 22:37 Tianx wrote:
the US has refused to resume the six party talks

North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.


North Korea did choose to discontinue the six party talks last year, but China has recently been pushing to resume the negotiations.

I was alluding to the recent statement made by the US envoy just yesterday.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2010/11/22/us_envoy_says_six_party_nkorea_talks_wont_resume/

If you have a source for NK wanting talks to start up again that puts an entirely different tint on the whole situation, but I'm highly doubtful. Considering recent events, that seems extremely unlikely regardless of pressure from China.

Your claim of what NK's 'master plan' of suckering other countries to send more aid seems very likely, and I'm curious to see if it's successful. It's clear that the talks were just a (very effective) way for NK to extract foreign aid in exchange for empty promises and everyone knows it at this point, which makes their scare tactics less effective since it could not be more obvious that they have no intentions of stopping their weapons program. Since they can no longer play their most potent 'no more nuclear development' card with any believability, a very large incentive to give them aid went up in smoke.


North Korea would be more than willing to 'talk' if they were granted unconditional aid. But that's not really the point. When I say that China need to pressure North Korea, I mean that China needs to enact significant terms for continued support of the country. China is the only country that has any real leverage. Leverage being the fact that if North Korea loses China entirely, the rest of the world can carry out a joint operation against them without fear of upsetting a neighboring superpower.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Fitness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States12 Posts
November 23 2010 14:10 GMT
#1216
On November 23 2010 15:58 Powerpill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 15:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nothing on U.S. news channels... yet.


They haven't finished their massive Dancing with the stars coverage yet...



Bristol doesn't deserve to win!!!!

It's kinda funny/ironic to find such concerned posts about irl war'ing happening on a wargame forum. :D

NK is pretty silly imo. Should be only a matter of time.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
November 23 2010 14:11 GMT
#1217
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
November 23 2010 14:11 GMT
#1218
On November 23 2010 23:08 John Acton wrote:
He's a professor of mathematics, you are correct his opinion doesn't really matter. I read it as coming straight from Beijing. That's what you get from reading too fast.

You're good at using Google. The problem is that there are thousands of people named Yueliu.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
November 23 2010 14:11 GMT
#1219
There's no way in hell I'm going on a DMZ trip anytime soon now.

I'm not even kidding... you can pay like $35 to go on a tour to the DMZ. I think they might cancel any upcoming trips if the situation is as serious as it is right now.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 23 2010 14:12 GMT
#1220
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.

Eh. Not what we were hoping for from China, but consistent with what they've always said. Looks like they're going to let North Korea continue throwing its tantrum, like always.

This is probably the best we could ever get if we're looking for peace.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
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