North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.
North Korea did choose to discontinue the six party talks last year, but China has recently been pushing to resume the negotiations.
If you have a source for NK wanting talks to start up again that puts an entirely different tint on the whole situation, but I'm highly doubtful. Considering recent events, that seems extremely unlikely regardless of pressure from China.
Your claim of what NK's 'master plan' of suckering other countries to send more aid seems very likely, and I'm curious to see if it's successful. It's clear that the talks were just a (very effective) way for NK to extract foreign aid in exchange for empty promises and everyone knows it at this point, which makes their scare tactics less effective since it could not be more obvious that they have no intentions of stopping their weapons program. Since they can no longer play their most potent 'no more nuclear development' card with any believability, a very large incentive to give them aid went up in smoke.
SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- President Lee Myung-bak ordered his military Tuesday to strike North Korea's missile base around its coastline artillery positions if it shows signs of additional provocation, his spokeswoman said.
I really hope this deters any further action from North Korea, surely they'll be less likely to want to escalate this while the South Korean military is on high alert. We can pretty much assume there will only be harsh talks from now on, rather than actual military action.
I don't even see the point of all this anymore -_- all they do is little pot shots and then there is some tenstion and nothing comes of it... Either stop all together or do something.
The problem is that nobody wants to shoulder the burden. South Korea's capital is withing sneezing distance, China wants short-term stability for economic growth, America is already over-extended, and everyone is dealing with global economic turmoil.
This is actually the root of the problem - the outside world is too busy to deal with North Korea at the moment so they are lashing out for attention.
North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.
NK left the six party talks because nothing was achieved there. Basically, NK had a wishlist that they wanted to get approved but the US told them that they had to complete their old promises before they get any new treats. This is a way to force the US to come back to the negotiation table and actually offer something.
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote: 1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
S. Korea may strike N. Korea's missile base: President Lee SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- President Lee Myung-bak ordered his military Tuesday to strike North Korea's missile base around its coastline artillery positions if it shows signs of additional provocation, his spokeswoman said.
In a video conference with Gen. Han Min-koo, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the president ordered "multiple-fold retaliation" against the North for its artillery attack on a South Korean island, according to presidential spokeswoman Kim Hee-jung.
"President Lee instructed (the military) to strike North Korea's missile base near coastline artillery position if necessary... if there in an indication of further provocation," the spokeswoman said.
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote: 1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
Not good.
Oh geez...
I just saw that and I was kinda dumbfounded. It's our fault that Kim Jong Il is a nutjob who shells an island for no reason?
The only thing I like in North Korea are their newscasters. They just have attitude.
Back on topic, there is no way that China will compromise its own national security just because NK gets into trouble... I don't understand why people are worrying about that.
EDIT: Holy crap, they now blame US for the situation? That's ridiculous...
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote: 1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
On November 23 2010 23:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I just saw that and I was kinda dumbfounded. It's our fault that Kim Jong Il is a nutjob who shells an island for no reason?
Well, they have their reasons. No drills near their coast next time.
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote: 1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
Not good.
Who is Yueliu and why does his opinion count?
He's a professor of mathematics, you are correct his opinion doesn't really matter. I read it as coming straight from Beijing. That's what you get from reading too fast.
North Korea was the one that discontinued the six-party talks, not everyone else. That doesn't change that what you posted seems very reasonable, though.
North Korea did choose to discontinue the six party talks last year, but China has recently been pushing to resume the negotiations.
If you have a source for NK wanting talks to start up again that puts an entirely different tint on the whole situation, but I'm highly doubtful. Considering recent events, that seems extremely unlikely regardless of pressure from China.
Your claim of what NK's 'master plan' of suckering other countries to send more aid seems very likely, and I'm curious to see if it's successful. It's clear that the talks were just a (very effective) way for NK to extract foreign aid in exchange for empty promises and everyone knows it at this point, which makes their scare tactics less effective since it could not be more obvious that they have no intentions of stopping their weapons program. Since they can no longer play their most potent 'no more nuclear development' card with any believability, a very large incentive to give them aid went up in smoke.
North Korea would be more than willing to 'talk' if they were granted unconditional aid. But that's not really the point. When I say that China need to pressure North Korea, I mean that China needs to enact significant terms for continued support of the country. China is the only country that has any real leverage. Leverage being the fact that if North Korea loses China entirely, the rest of the world can carry out a joint operation against them without fear of upsetting a neighboring superpower.
On November 23 2010 23:08 John Acton wrote: He's a professor of mathematics, you are correct his opinion doesn't really matter. I read it as coming straight from Beijing. That's what you get from reading too fast.
You're good at using Google. The problem is that there are thousands of people named Yueliu.
There's no way in hell I'm going on a DMZ trip anytime soon now.
I'm not even kidding... you can pay like $35 to go on a tour to the DMZ. I think they might cancel any upcoming trips if the situation is as serious as it is right now.
On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote: 1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."
Not good.
Eh. Not what we were hoping for from China, but consistent with what they've always said. Looks like they're going to let North Korea continue throwing its tantrum, like always.
This is probably the best we could ever get if we're looking for peace.
EPT
this is sad..
