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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
November 23 2010 13:07 GMT
#1161
On November 23 2010 21:58 LazyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:54 GTR wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:05 MrHoon wrote:
This is just sad...
One of the dead Sergeant's Cyworld Wall Post (Cyworld is like Korean Facebook)

[image loading]

2010.11.22 8:54PM
Sergeant JungWoo Suh Says:

I'm finally done moving my stuff, and I finally get to sleep on a nice bed close to the end of my conscription service.

I heard the weather tomorrow is going to be bad, I wish the boat ride back home doesn't get canceled.
-----------------------------

2010.11.23 6:05PM
SungMin Yang Says:

Hopefully this means you got out safe, things are crazy out here right now
2010.11.23 6:32PM
MinGoo Says:

Hey JungWoo I just heard from the news... Please tell me that it wasn't you... Please


so depressing wow.

That...

... is indeed depressing. Rest in peace, Sergeant.
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
November 23 2010 13:08 GMT
#1162
As our friend from S Korea has pointed out, Vortok, it only helps people not connected to the situation feel less tense. Other people, who have family and friends there, or just basic human empathy, feel even worse because you're making light of the situation. You're NOT distracting them from "the grim realities of the situation" you're making light of it. You seem like a reasonable person. Just stop defending people making dumb-ass comments about this.

And while I agree N.Korea is one of the most fucked up places out there..

" Sure, the USA (and China and Japan for that matter) has done a lot of nasty stuff in the name of justice,"


Are you fucking serious? In the name of justice? They're not Batman or some shit. They're self interested states who have engaged in atrocities. You can argue a lot of states are worse, and I'll agree, but please understand that your moral high ground is not quite as high as you might think.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
November 23 2010 13:08 GMT
#1163
On November 23 2010 21:31 QQNoRE wrote:
[image loading]

Baba Vanga was a Bulgarian alleged clairvoyant. She convinced many followers that she possessed paranormal abilities.

Predictions:

2010 – World War III. War will begin in November 2010 and end in October 2014. Will begin as usual, then nuclear will be used initially, and then chemical weapons.



http://lighthead.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/baba-vanga-predictions-2010-5079/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga


Hate to spoil it to you, but it's already October 2010, so that means she is wrong.

Just like a bunch of other stuff she said. Pure gibberish.

I feel bad for the people of SK, this will hurt them very much.
I am not good with quotes
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:11:49
November 23 2010 13:10 GMT
#1164
Right now I'm not sure if US military is involved with this issue. Least not in the Osan area... I haven't heard any news of it at work. I think South Korea and North Korea needs to settle this on their own through communication before getting other countries involved.

I still can't believe the first time I heard of the NK artillery is on a Starcraft forum... when I'm in the USAF with Seoul like a hour away from me.

GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:14:14
November 23 2010 13:12 GMT
#1165
On November 23 2010 21:55 kazansky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:49 Uriel_SVK wrote:
I am not defending NK here, but why are there so many army excersises near them? It is not the first time something like this happened. If I got an angry, violent, armed neighbour, i wont be runing with a gun around his yard...


They do maneuvres where a possible conflict would occur. You need realistic background for these kind of exercises at is it very likely that if war occurs, they will battle there. Not very likely to fight NK in the shores of Phillipines. It's not exactly paintball sessions they do there.



source
The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the North.
South Korea's annual Hoguk military exercises were to last nine days and include as many as 70,000 South Korean military personnel, according to the Stratfor global intelligence company.

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

"Marines were training in that area, including firing artillery, in the morning. But they were aiming south and southwest, not east or north," said a representative for the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff. "North Korea sent a telephone message at 8:20 a.m. to cease the drill. We did not stop the drill."


They were 10 km away from borders, with 70000 people. They were asked to leave, but they did not. I understand that they have to conduct excersises on places where fights could occur, but is this not a little bit extreme?
Ries
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark12 Posts
November 23 2010 13:15 GMT
#1166
Ive read alot of the comments, and no one really asked about this. Is Team Liquid pulling their players home after this?
Next time you spawn as Zerg, just ask yourself...what would Action Jesus do?
LazyMacro
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
976 Posts
November 23 2010 13:16 GMT
#1167
I think it's extreme to commit an act of war against an island full of people entirely unrelated to a military exercise being conducted without the permission of a country that does much crazier things on a more regular basis.
QQNoRE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States21 Posts
November 23 2010 13:16 GMT
#1168
On November 23 2010 22:10 Silentness wrote:
Right now I'm not sure if US military is involved with this issue. Least not in the Osan area... I haven't heard any news of it at work. I think South Korea and North Korea needs to settle this on their own through communication before getting other countries involved.

I still can't believe the first time I heard of the NK artillery is on a Starcraft forum... when I'm in the USAF with Seoul like a hour away from me.



Are you @ Camp Casey? I have friends there.

13B/Field Artillery US Army. Being a 155mm Cannon crew member myself, I can tell you that those people in the videos are VERY lucky, if still alive. The shrapnel alone from those 155mm rounds have around a 100m kill radius. Just wow.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:17:02
November 23 2010 13:16 GMT
#1169
On November 23 2010 22:10 Silentness wrote:
Right now I'm not sure if US military is involved with this issue. Least not in the Osan area... I haven't heard any news of it at work. I think South Korea and North Korea needs to settle this on their own through communication before getting other countries involved.

I still can't believe the first time I heard of the NK artillery is on a Starcraft forum... when I'm in the USAF with Seoul like a hour away from me.


At least in Sweden the army's famous for no one kn owing anything at any time and when someone does know it takes 24 years before the information gets anywhere. Maybe the same in the US.
It's odd in any case.
Ryhn
Profile Joined February 2010
United States509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:17:34
November 23 2010 13:16 GMT
#1170
On November 23 2010 22:08 s.a.y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:31 QQNoRE wrote:
[image loading]

Baba Vanga was a Bulgarian alleged clairvoyant. She convinced many followers that she possessed paranormal abilities.

Predictions:

2010 – World War III. War will begin in November 2010 and end in October 2014. Will begin as usual, then nuclear will be used initially, and then chemical weapons.



http://lighthead.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/baba-vanga-predictions-2010-5079/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga


Hate to spoil it to you, but it's already October 2010, so that means she is wrong.

Just like a bunch of other stuff she said. Pure gibberish.

I feel bad for the people of SK, this will hurt them very much.


While I don't think the Baba was right . . . She predicted it would end in October 2014 and start in November, 2010.
Famous Books Written by Progamers - "Clam: Mastering your other self"
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
November 23 2010 13:16 GMT
#1171
On November 23 2010 22:15 Ries wrote:
Ive read alot of the comments, and no one really asked about this. Is Team Liquid pulling their players home after this?


Dont think the situation is confirmed to be extreme enough to take such measures, i could be wrong though.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 13:18:40
November 23 2010 13:17 GMT
#1172
On November 23 2010 22:15 Ries wrote:
Ive read alot of the comments, and no one really asked about this. Is Team Liquid pulling their players home after this?


I see no need to. As long as there won't be a serious war (which might put the players in risk) they'll stay there.


Also:

"Yonhap: Presidential spokesman says #DPRK coastal missile bases to be hit if further #DPRK provocations."
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
November 23 2010 13:18 GMT
#1173
On November 23 2010 22:12 Uriel_SVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 kazansky wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 Uriel_SVK wrote:
I am not defending NK here, but why are there so many army excersises near them? It is not the first time something like this happened. If I got an angry, violent, armed neighbour, i wont be runing with a gun around his yard...


They do maneuvres where a possible conflict would occur. You need realistic background for these kind of exercises at is it very likely that if war occurs, they will battle there. Not very likely to fight NK in the shores of Phillipines. It's not exactly paintball sessions they do there.


Show nested quote +

source
The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the North.
South Korea's annual Hoguk military exercises were to last nine days and include as many as 70,000 South Korean military personnel, according to the Stratfor global intelligence company.

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

"Marines were training in that area, including firing artillery, in the morning. But they were aiming south and southwest, not east or north," said a representative for the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff. "North Korea sent a telephone message at 8:20 a.m. to cease the drill. We did not stop the drill."


They were 10 km away from borders, with 70000 people. They were asked to leave, but they did not. I understand that they have to conduct excersises on places where fights could occur, but is this not a little bit extreme?



so the best course of action to deter this exercise is to shell a civillian fishing settlement to show that they are serious?

North Koreans works in mysterious ways indeed...
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#1174
this sergeant death is really sad

Also i knew i should'nt have clicked on this thread before leaving for college :3 now i'll be sad all day for the koreans
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
November 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#1175
On November 23 2010 22:12 Uriel_SVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 kazansky wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 Uriel_SVK wrote:
I am not defending NK here, but why are there so many army excersises near them? It is not the first time something like this happened. If I got an angry, violent, armed neighbour, i wont be runing with a gun around his yard...


They do maneuvres where a possible conflict would occur. You need realistic background for these kind of exercises at is it very likely that if war occurs, they will battle there. Not very likely to fight NK in the shores of Phillipines. It's not exactly paintball sessions they do there.


Show nested quote +

source
The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the North.
South Korea's annual Hoguk military exercises were to last nine days and include as many as 70,000 South Korean military personnel, according to the Stratfor global intelligence company.

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

"Marines were training in that area, including firing artillery, in the morning. But they were aiming south and southwest, not east or north," said a representative for the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff. "North Korea sent a telephone message at 8:20 a.m. to cease the drill. We did not stop the drill."


They were 10 km away from borders, with 70000 people. They were asked to leave, but they did not. I understand that they have to conduct excersises on places where fights could occur, but is this not a little bit extreme?

This sounds dangerously close to justifying a first-strike bombing because South Korea was doing a military drill on their own land.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
sksyen
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States359 Posts
November 23 2010 13:21 GMT
#1176
On November 23 2010 22:08 s.a.y wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:31 QQNoRE wrote:
[image loading]

Baba Vanga was a Bulgarian alleged clairvoyant. She convinced many followers that she possessed paranormal abilities.

Predictions:

2010 – World War III. War will begin in November 2010 and end in October 2014. Will begin as usual, then nuclear will be used initially, and then chemical weapons.



http://lighthead.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/baba-vanga-predictions-2010-5079/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga


Hate to spoil it to you, but it's already October 2010, so that means she is wrong.

Just like a bunch of other stuff she said. Pure gibberish.

I feel bad for the people of SK, this will hurt them very much.


It really is quite ironic, considering the other predictions that came true.

- Stalin's exact date of death
- Chernobyl
- Obama, a black president as no 44. (Quote: "20+ years ago Baba Vanga supposedly predicted that the 44th US president would be black and would be the last US president, because America will freeze up and spectacular economic crisis")
- 9/11 (Vanga,1989: "....The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush....")
- Kursk Submarine incident 2001
InflowYen.681 || /dance
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 23 2010 13:24 GMT
#1177
On November 23 2010 22:12 Uriel_SVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 kazansky wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 Uriel_SVK wrote:
I am not defending NK here, but why are there so many army excersises near them? It is not the first time something like this happened. If I got an angry, violent, armed neighbour, i wont be runing with a gun around his yard...


They do maneuvres where a possible conflict would occur. You need realistic background for these kind of exercises at is it very likely that if war occurs, they will battle there. Not very likely to fight NK in the shores of Phillipines. It's not exactly paintball sessions they do there.


Show nested quote +

source
The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers (6 miles) from the North.
South Korea's annual Hoguk military exercises were to last nine days and include as many as 70,000 South Korean military personnel, according to the Stratfor global intelligence company.

"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.

"Marines were training in that area, including firing artillery, in the morning. But they were aiming south and southwest, not east or north," said a representative for the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff. "North Korea sent a telephone message at 8:20 a.m. to cease the drill. We did not stop the drill."


They were 10 km away from borders, with 70000 people. They were asked to leave, but they did not. I understand that they have to conduct excersises on places where fights could occur, but is this not a little bit extreme?


It seems bit extreme, but it's the Island that is about 10 kilometers from the north (see Google Maps, very strange border), and the border, especially the sea border, is not accepted by both parties as far as I know, so it is a contested area. I can understand the purpose of showing presence there by SK, although it obviously doesn't cool down the situation.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
November 23 2010 13:24 GMT
#1178
On November 23 2010 22:21 sksyen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 22:08 s.a.y wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:31 QQNoRE wrote:
[image loading]

Baba Vanga was a Bulgarian alleged clairvoyant. She convinced many followers that she possessed paranormal abilities.

Predictions:

2010 – World War III. War will begin in November 2010 and end in October 2014. Will begin as usual, then nuclear will be used initially, and then chemical weapons.



http://lighthead.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/baba-vanga-predictions-2010-5079/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga


Hate to spoil it to you, but it's already October 2010, so that means she is wrong.

Just like a bunch of other stuff she said. Pure gibberish.

I feel bad for the people of SK, this will hurt them very much.


It really is quite ironic, considering the other predictions that came true.

- Stalin's exact date of death
- Chernobyl
- Obama, a black president as no 44. (Quote: "20+ years ago Baba Vanga supposedly predicted that the 44th US president would be black and would be the last US president, because America will freeze up and spectacular economic crisis")
- 9/11 (Vanga,1989: "....The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush....")
- Kursk Submarine incident 2001

Stop derailing this thread with this nutcase everyone please.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
November 23 2010 13:26 GMT
#1179
Can you guys please make a new thread where you can discuss psychics to your hearts content?This is about North / South Korea and the attacks today.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Astir
Profile Joined November 2010
2 Posts
November 23 2010 13:26 GMT
#1180
Well this is certainly shocking news to wake up and read on TL. Good coverage of the world. Read a few reports online already. And yes, TL was the first in the 'American' sector to have something posted.

We should vote for TL as the #1 News site.

Sucks for S.K. Hopefully this doesn't go further I doubt it will. As for the state of mind that they NEED to do something? It probably won't happen, U.N. Security council is going into emergency session today at some time.
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