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vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:12:30
November 23 2010 14:12 GMT
#1221
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.

Hardly the first time they do something extremely stupid/bold. Remember the ship not too long ago?
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
November 23 2010 14:14 GMT
#1222
Anyone knows how many nukes they have ? If they have only one nuke why not send a jet and bomb it to oblivion ? And why not bomb Kim's palace too ? So that they are leaderless and armless and none of the normal citizens get killed ?
Khassar de Templari
John Acton
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden13 Posts
November 23 2010 14:14 GMT
#1223
On November 23 2010 23:11 Taosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:08 John Acton wrote:
He's a professor of mathematics, you are correct his opinion doesn't really matter. I read it as coming straight from Beijing. That's what you get from reading too fast.

You're good at using Google. The problem is that there are thousands of people named Yueliu.


Yeah sure it might not be him, but it is more likely than it being some random chinese guy named Yueliu. Anyway I hope you don't misunderstood me. I was being critical of myself for reading too fast, not you.
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Fitness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States12 Posts
November 23 2010 14:15 GMT
#1224
I will say this though. This is some of the smartest, most well-said posting I've ever seen from a video game forum. I think it speaks measures about the player-base. In WoW forums you'd just see things like "lol durp NK is going for a cannon rush" As a new SC2 player it's pretty cool to see the level of maturity associated with this community.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 23 2010 14:15 GMT
#1225
On November 23 2010 23:12 Tianx wrote:
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On November 23 2010 23:02 John Acton wrote:
1358: Yueliu in Beijing, China, says: "This situation is caused by the policies of the United States. The United States and South Korea should come back to the six party-talks instead of holding military exercises targeting North Korea or even China. The US should be responsible for the situation today, though we do not agree to North Korea's Kim's succession plan. Paper tigers are paper tigers."

Not good.

Eh. Not what we were hoping for from China, but consistent with what they've always said. Looks like they're going to let North Korea continue throwing its tantrum, like always.

This is probably the best we could ever get if we're looking for peace.


Seems that chinese oppinions are not uniform:

"It's unbelievable," said Zhu Feng, professor of international relations at Peking University. "Today's news proves that North Korea, under unprovoked conditions, shot these South Korean islands. It's reckless provocation. They want to make a big bang and force the negotiations back into their favor. It's the oldest trick."

Source Reuters.com
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:16:29
November 23 2010 14:16 GMT
#1226
Aside from critics and proffesors, has their been any official Chinese statements from the Government?
WriterXiao8~~
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
November 23 2010 14:16 GMT
#1227
On November 23 2010 23:12 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.

Hardly the first time they do something extremely stupid/bold. Remember the ship not too long ago?


That was pretty risky too, but at least it was a military target way out of position with deniability. An artillery strike on a semi-civilian target? As a way to improve position in diplomatic talks? Please..
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
November 23 2010 14:16 GMT
#1228
On November 23 2010 23:14 kamikami wrote:
Anyone knows how many nukes they have ? If they have only one nuke why not send a jet and bomb it to oblivion ? And why not bomb Kim's palace too ? So that they are leaderless and armless and none of the normal citizens get killed ?


Do some research. Its not that simple..

And none knows how many nukes any country has.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 14:17 GMT
#1229
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.


Not to sound callous to those who were effected, but 70-200 artillery strikes on a relatively small island town isn't a major military action in the grand scheme of things.

Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:20:04
November 23 2010 14:18 GMT
#1230
On November 23 2010 23:14 kamikami wrote:
Anyone knows how many nukes they have ? If they have only one nuke why not send a jet and bomb it to oblivion ? And why not bomb Kim's palace too ? So that they are leaderless and armless and none of the normal citizens get killed ?

That's a lot easier said than done.. Missile turret's are actually not made up by Blizzard
Any retaliation against North Korea risks the lives of everyone on the Korean peninsula.

On November 23 2010 23:17 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.


Not to sound callous to those who were effected, but 70-200 artillery strikes on a relatively small island town isn't a major military action in the grand scheme of things.


Imagine if Mexico by some god forsaken reason shelled a small area in the United States 70-200 times. No, in the middle of a war it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. But in the Korean situation? It can hardly be ignored.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
November 23 2010 14:18 GMT
#1231
On November 23 2010 23:16 Kipsate wrote:
Aside from critics and proffesors, has their been any official Chinese statements from the Government?


The reaction in the official media so far is rather small. It will hit the (international) chinese news soon, but so far no official statement.
DNB
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland995 Posts
November 23 2010 14:20 GMT
#1232
On November 23 2010 23:15 Fitness wrote:
I will say this though. This is some of the smartest, most well-said posting I've ever seen from a video game forum. I think it speaks measures about the player-base. In WoW forums you'd just see things like "lol durp NK is going for a cannon rush" As a new SC2 player it's pretty cool to see the level of maturity associated with this community.


I think it's the strict moderation that keeps this place clean. Without it this place would just be as messy as the ones you're talking about. We have examples even in this thread.
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 23 2010 14:22 GMT
#1233
On November 23 2010 23:16 Kipsate wrote:
Aside from critics and proffesors, has their been any official Chinese statements from the Government?


One official statement from spokesman of foreign ministery, quoted few pages back, can be read at Reuters.com, bottom line is "calm down both".
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:23:07
November 23 2010 14:22 GMT
#1234
Heres a good commentary about the incident:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/9218848.stm

And seems like there is up to the minute updates aswell. For those who are interested.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 14:23 GMT
#1235
On November 23 2010 23:18 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:14 kamikami wrote:
Anyone knows how many nukes they have ? If they have only one nuke why not send a jet and bomb it to oblivion ? And why not bomb Kim's palace too ? So that they are leaderless and armless and none of the normal citizens get killed ?

That's a lot easier said than done.. Missile turret's are actually not made up by Blizzard
Any retaliation against North Korea risks the lives of everyone on the Korean peninsula.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:17 Consolidate wrote:
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.


Not to sound callous to those who were effected, but 70-200 artillery strikes on a relatively small island town isn't a major military action in the grand scheme of things.


Imagine if Mexico by some god forsaken reason shelled a small area in the United States 70-200 times. No, in the middle of a war it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. But in the Korean situation? It can hardly be ignored.


I agree. I'm just saying that this particular act of aggression will probably not elicit any significant military response from South Korea.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
November 23 2010 14:23 GMT
#1236
I wonder if any koreans could give us insight into the korean public's opinion. Could the NK gov pressure the SK gov into some face saving retaliation?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
superarmy
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand422 Posts
November 23 2010 14:24 GMT
#1237
The New York Times reports that the South Korean Deputy Minister of Defence, Lee Yong-geul, has now acknowledged that artillery units were firing test shots on Tuesday afternoon close to the North Korean coast, from a battery on the South Korean island of Paeknyeongdo. But he denied that the shots crossed the disputed maritime border with North Korea.



Uhh crap, this doesnt add in well.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
November 23 2010 14:24 GMT
#1238
On November 23 2010 22:58 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 22:51 GreEny K wrote:
On November 23 2010 22:47 ComusLoM wrote:
On November 23 2010 22:43 Grettin wrote:
Though:
SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- President Lee Myung-bak ordered his military Tuesday to strike North Korea's missile base around its coastline artillery positions if it shows signs of additional provocation, his spokeswoman said.




http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/23/0200000000AEN20101123013200315.HTML


I really hope this deters any further action from North Korea, surely they'll be less likely to want to escalate this while the South Korean military is on high alert. We can pretty much assume there will only be harsh talks from now on, rather than actual military action.


I don't even see the point of all this anymore -_- all they do is little pot shots and then there is some tenstion and nothing comes of it... Either stop all together or do something.


The problem is that nobody wants to shoulder the burden. South Korea's capital is withing sneezing distance, China wants short-term stability for economic growth, America is already over-extended, and everyone is dealing with global economic turmoil.

This is actually the root of the problem - the outside world is too busy to deal with North Korea at the moment so they are lashing out for attention.


Good points, but since when does a country have to involve others to fight a war. I really don't understand that mindset, it's good to have backup but you can handle things yourself.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
November 23 2010 14:24 GMT
#1239
On November 23 2010 23:17 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.


Not to sound callous to those who were effected, but 70-200 artillery strikes on a relatively small island town isn't a major military action in the grand scheme of things.



If anything this will reinforce SK policy of blocking aid as well as harden Sino & US opinion on NK.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 14:27:34
November 23 2010 14:25 GMT
#1240
On November 23 2010 23:17 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:11 Rflcrx wrote:
I doubt this is calculated, way too heavy of a strike for this.


Not to sound callous to those who were effected, but 70-200 artillery strikes on a relatively small island town isn't a major military action in the grand scheme of things.



Mainila shelling started war between Finland and the Soviet Union. Basically soviets fired few artillery rounds on to their own soldiers and blamed on Finland (Nearest finnish artillery was out of reach to fire over border).

So don't just say 70-200 because they shot even less :D
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