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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error.[ Seeing how you just assume that it's an error without delving into the more complicated facets of homosexuality, it's a bit hypocritical to call others close-minded no? | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:04 Mora wrote: .... cause 16 year old heterosexual girls who have never socialized with boys are incredibly afraid to do so? The whole point of getting these girls to invite a boy is that they are forced to then socialize/entertain their guest. What do you picture this dance looking like? I remember in junior-high, when everyone except for the few bold would sit on the sidelines and watch everyone else (usually older kids) dance. All the girls would stand with the girls, all the boys would stand with the boys. Occasionally a guy would be brave enough to walk over and ask a girl to dance; the girls would giggle and gossip, and the guys would sit envious trying to work up the courage to do the same. Now picture that same dance except that instead of approaching a random girl at the dance, you brought a girl from a different school. Would you abandon her and still sit with all your chums? No. You would be forced to sit/chat with her because you brought a guest. And that's what this school was trying to facilitate. If girls are allowed to bring girls, why would they bring boys? Except for a bold few (similar to the co-ed school), the majority of the girls would not have guests of the opposite sex. I'm really glad to see you say this. I was feeling the same way after reading the article. Perhaps the school didn't handle it as well as it could have, but I can definitely see things through their POV and don't feel like this is the "pathetic excuse" that many people are claiming. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:25 matjlav wrote: Because the social context of a dance is inherently sexual. Girls aren't going to bring girls as their "lesbian" date. If the girls are as uncomfortable with the thought of bringing boys as you think, then they wouldn't bring boys at all, anyway. Nope. | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that homosexuality is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a bigot/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with homosexuals pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. How many countries/cultures/religions say homosexuality is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Homosexuality should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. I hope I live to see the day when homosexuality is cured, even if that means homosexuality has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes homosexuals will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. Go ahead and ban me too since I disagree with homosexuality and am a bigot obviously. Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error. Thank God I live in America where we have freedom of speech. This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that bigotry is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Bigotry is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a fag/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with bigots pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. How many countries/cultures/religions say bigotry is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Bigotry should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. I hope I live to see the day when bigotry is cured, even if that means bigotry has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes bigots will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. Go ahead and ban me too since I disagree with bigotry and am a fag obviously. Too bad people are too close minded to realize bigotry is an error. Thank God I live in Australia where we have freedom of speech. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that homosexuality is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a bigot/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with homosexuals pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. How many countries/cultures/religions say homosexuality is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Homosexuality should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. I hope I live to see the day when homosexuality is cured, even if that means homosexuality has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes homosexuals will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. Go ahead and ban me too since I disagree with homosexuality and am a bigot obviously. Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error. Thank God I live in America where we have freedom of speech. ??????? So what is this cure, altering chemical levels in their brains and restructuring their neural pathways? | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that homosexuality is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Yes, because what two consenting adults do in their private sex life is the same as raping a child. That's amazing logic. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a bigot/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with homosexuals pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. Because you are a bigot, maybe? Are black people a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem that needs to be cured? They were born with different color skin, and some differences in muscle/bone growths. Are they a problem that needs to be cured? What about any other race? Do you realize that homosexuality has been around, for, like, ever? Since the recorded beginnings of man. Animals even show homosexuality--and I don't even need a citation for this, I live on a farm and see plenty of male rabbits fuck each other. Saying someone is an error is just stupid and ignorant. And you're saying people should be oppressed because they're different. Yeah, sorry, that's by definition what a bigot is. You can disagree with homosexuality all you want--I personally disagree with it, but that's why I'm straight--but I'll be DAMNED if I'm gonna tell someone else that they don't deserve to be alive, have a job, go to the same schools, etc, based on their sexual preference. It's their own business, and no one else has the right to deny someone the same opportunities because they were born different. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: How many countries/cultures/religions say homosexuality is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Homosexuality should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. Actually, most countries don't really care these days. And whether they try to ban it or not, it'll still happen--it's a natural thing in life. Get over it. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: I hope I live to see the day when homosexuality is cured, even if that means homosexuality has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes homosexuals will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. I hope I live to see the day when every idiot who wants someone else gone because they're different is cured. Maybe when people open their eyes and get off their own damn high horse they'll finally realize something is wrong with them, and find a cure... or maybe they'll just kill themselves. Hey, it's what a lot of them say the gays should do! On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error. lol. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: Thank God I live in America where we have freedom of speech. And freedom of expression. It's a pretty cool freedom. It's that one that says you can pursuit happiness as you please. You should look into it sometime. | ||
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:57 lvatural wrote: Seeing how you just assume that it's an error without delving into the more complicated facets of homosexuality, it's a bit hypocritical to call others close-minded no? At it's base, the root cause is an error in the human hardwiring of instinct. That doesen't mean that homosexuals are less than people, it's just that their hardwiring is different from the norm. In the same sense that Aspergers syndrome people have horrible social skills due to their lack of empathy. But hey, scientific fact is wrong when people are involved. I understand the moral dilemma attached to it. [edit] I'm pretty sure it's called Asperger's. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that homosexuality is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a bigot/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with homosexuals pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. How many countries/cultures/religions say homosexuality is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Homosexuality should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. I hope I live to see the day when homosexuality is cured, even if that means homosexuality has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes homosexuals will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. Go ahead and ban me too since I disagree with homosexuality and am a bigot obviously. Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error. Thank God I live in America where we have freedom of speech. Way to turn yourself into a martyr. PS. My religion says that your religion is wrong, I shouldn't have to tolerate you for believing in a false god. Let me cure you by getting you to convert. PSS. You aren't being forced to accept them. You're being forced to tolerate them. And if you can't do that you probably will be banned. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On November 12 2010 08:10 Alay wrote: And freedom of expression. It's a pretty cool freedom. It's that one that says you can pursuit happiness as you please. You should look into it sometime. Historically, when they said "happiness" they really meant "property". You know, because they were mostly plantation owners.. Just nitpicking. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 12 2010 08:14 LunarC wrote: Historically, when they said "happiness" they really meant "property". You know, because they were mostly plantation owners.. Just nitpicking. Don't think so? That's why the word was substituted, afaik. Because they were afraid to say that people were entitled to property. | ||
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TsoBadGuy
United States221 Posts
The reason I find homosexuality A-OK and pedophilia to be absolutely disgusting is the impact it has. If a man has sex with a child it literally pains me to think about what effect that will have. Homosexuality on the other hand is between 2 adult/teens that at least know what the concept of consent even is. I know many many many many many many MANY happy gay people. I typed in "Kids who like to be molested by adults." and I got nothing but help hotlines. THINK about that. Other countries are in to pedo stuff, and we're into gay stuff. And you think the other countries/cultures/religions are a reference? Pathetic, faulty, and thankfully the reason bigots like you never get far in life. You're not smarter than the people you despise. The wrong, in my opinion, comes not from the preference itself, but the impact it leaves. You can't sit here and tell me a child whose had sex before 12 with a grown adult is gonna come out better more often than a dude whose gay. That's OTHER countries... you (Blitz) made a reference suggest the pedos are the same level of wrong as homosexuals. There is no cure for homosexuality. From your perspective you'd have just as much luck curing 'bullies'. You will never see a cure, you call us close minded when you're so obviously closed to the thought yourself. I wish this was just a simple troll issue, but troll-bait isn't ever so convincing. I'm really sad for you, the world will leave you farther and farther behind, and you will be an example to those more progressive around you. If you're gonna thank god, down call him out on his errors. You're the kind of person that can tell god where he went wrong though right? It's in the bible right? Like beating you slave to near death is ok, and also in the bible. MOST PROGRESSIVE! Although this world will never be cured of idiots they can be forced to see how pathetic they are and live a life of seletive neglect. I am so ashamed I share a country with you. If you've lived so many years of life and all you can say is "Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-netal/hormonal/behavioral problem." Firstly, genetic, biological, and pre-netal pretty much run the same vein. Don't try and sound smart ever again please, you're definitely not gonna change any minds with your intelligence (Unless you count the other bigot who reads this and says to himself "Wow, is this how I sound? I'm a fucking idiot." | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On November 12 2010 08:20 FabledIntegral wrote: Don't think so? That's why the word was substituted, afaik. Because they were afraid to say that people were entitled to property. No, they said happiness, but in reality everyone wanted property. Think about it, England's land was basically all taken, but most people couldn't own any land. It was land that socially defined the person, perhaps as a social vestige of the feudal era. America had tons and tons of unclaimed, untamed property, hence people wanted to move there. Those that wrote the declaration of independence recognized that. @TsoBadGuy: Eh, I wouldn't go around Bible-bashing. That's a bit of a close-minded act if you ask me. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 12 2010 08:24 LunarC wrote: No, they said happiness, but in reality everyone wanted property. Think about it, England's land was basically all taken, but most people couldn't own any land. It was land that socially defined the person, perhaps as a social vestige of the feudal era. America had tons and tons of unclaimed, untamed property, hence people wanted to move there. Those that wrote the declaration of independence recognized that. @TsoBadGuy: Eh, I wouldn't go around Bible-bashing. That's a bit of a close-minded act if you ask me. Alright, I'll take your word for it  | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote: This is so disgusting how we even have to consider that homosexuality is like being a minority. When is child molestation going to be accepted? We already have NAMBLA which would never have been allowed 50 years ago. The world is so filled with disgusting things and they keep pushing them to be legal. The only thing that is wrong is saying something is wrong. Child molestation and homosexuality aren't the same thing, the fact that you would even suggest that just shows how ignorant you are. Fact, most child molestation cases consist of a man molesting a girl. Homosexuals actually have a much lower molestation rate than heterosexuals. So yeah, this point is void. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote:Homosexuality is at best a genetic/biological/pre-natal/hormonal/behavioral problem which needs to be cured. But instead it is treated like they are a minority and you can't even disagree with it or your a bigot/hater/fascist. Its really getting old dealing with homosexuals pushing their agenda to be accepted. Lets see them push for a cure instead of pretending they are ok the way they are. Yeah, how dare gays push to be accepted! They should just learn their place and not fight back! Of course people are going to fight to be accepted. Why are they treated like a minority? Maybe because they are one. Just being a minority doesn't automatically make your justified or correct by the way, for instance serial killers are also a minority but the general public doesn't exactly think they're awesome. I'm not trying to compare homosexuals with serial killers, just saying that technically homosexuals are a minority. As for the first part of that paragraph, there's not much I can say. The general public in virtually every established Democracy is okay with homosexuality, or at the very least has a large number of its citizens who are perfectly fine with it. So yeah, of course most people are going to come down on you for hating on gays. The same thing will happen to you if you hate on other groups that people are accepting of. And you can't "cure" homosexuality. Plenty of ultra-conservative religious groups have tried and failed over and over again. Currently we think that homosexuality is both genetic and learned, we're just unsure as to how much of those two factors influence it. The fact of the matter is, most people who are gay know that they're gay at the same age that people know they aren't gay. You can call it an error or disease or whatever but frankly science and the general public would disagree with you on that. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote:How many countries/cultures/religions say homosexuality is wrong? And yet its being forced to be accepted. Its disgusting and wrong. Homosexuality should be banned worldwide and the only thing done in regards to it is looking for a cure to it so no one has to suffer from it again. I don't think you can find anyone who's gay say that they're suffering from it. Most gays who suffer are doing so because of people like you who are so unempathetic and who have so little compassion that you could say such things. Oh, and homosexuality isn't recognized as any sort of disease or disorder by any reputable medical institution that I know of. Most of the same cultures and religions that say homosexuality is wrong also said that slavery was okay. Or that the earth is flat. Luckily, reason and science have changed our way of thinking and our culture's views on numerous things. But more importantly, religion has no place in this argument. Nor do older cultures. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote:I hope I live to see the day when homosexuality is cured, even if that means homosexuality has to be accepted temporarily before it is eradicated from the human race forever. Maybe when acceptance comes homosexuals will finally realize there is something wrong with them and find a cure. Funny that someone who thinks all homosexuals should go away and that homosexuality is disgusting would talk about acceptance. Ignorance knows no bounds, eh? If only we could cure the error of ignorance and eradicate that from the world forever. On November 12 2010 07:52 blitzkrieger wrote:Go ahead and ban me too since I disagree with homosexuality and am a bigot obviously. Too bad people are too close minded to realize homosexuality is an error. Thank God I live in America where we have freedom of speech. First, you are being a bigot and the fact that you can't see that is astounding. Then again, racists probably didn't consider themselves to be bigoted back during the 60s when they were arguing for segregation and for banning interracial marriage. Second, you bring up things like, "acceptance," and, "close minded," as if you even know what those terms mean. From your post I can tell that you don't. And just so you know, I used to be religious and I thought much the same way you did so I understand where you're coming from, but if you could only see the irony of what you're saying from my side... Third, I don't think anyone has gotten banned on this thread for expressing an opinion against homosexuality. So why you even put that part in your post confuses me. | ||
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TsoBadGuy
United States221 Posts
Damn dude, I thought I was the only one making a big ass thread about the bigot  Combo breaker. Mine had subtle jokes and stuff too! Edit: @Everyone It's somewhat comforting seeing everyone show this blitz guy his place. Goin all white knight and stuff, with a rainbow lance of words being rammed into the KKK initiates torso. Edit 2: @LunarC The bible can take a good ribbing. I wasn't joking about the bible saying stuff about slaves though. The bible has rules about how slaves can forgive there masters if they survive their beating. I understand how I could sound close minded, and in the future, cause of your post, I'll write a bit more articulately, cause I was trying to make an example out of the bible more than bash it. (Mom is a christian priest, I'm a diest, dad's and atheist, closed minds don't last long in my house.) | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
For example, we accept the idea of an all-girl school, but not the idea of an all-white school. We generally do not believe it is right to distinguish based on race in any scenario. However, gender exists in a gray area, where we sometimes believe it is still appropriate to make a distinction. In sports, we have separate categories for women and men. In tennis, we have mixed pair events, which must include one man and one woman. It would not be called discrimination in such a scenario if we rejected same-sex pairs from playing in these events. This situation exemplifies the ambiguity the arises from only sometimes distinguishing between gender. If the event really is just like a school dance, then I would certainly say that it is not acceptable. However, if the event is truly intended to be a forum for cross-gender interaction, then MAYBE the school's decision is okay, but it's still pretty sketchy. The school probably is just full of it, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here. It is the school's mistake for making an event that specifically targets heterosexual couples. I think it would make much more sense if they had a combined dance with a nearby all-boys school, and did not distinguish based on gender at all. | ||
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mierin
United States4942 Posts
On November 12 2010 03:21 Brent352 wrote: Sounds like attention whoring to me. If they really wanted to go to the dance together they could have just gone under the radar and done their own thing at the dance. Instead they decided that they wanted attention and so made a huge deal about it (putting up posters around the school). It also seems like this is a private school and therefore should be allowed to have and enforce their own rules. If gays don't like it then they don't have to attend. Honestly, this. If it is indeed a private school... | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 12 2010 08:31 Slithe wrote: This situation exemplifies the ambiguity the arises from only sometimes distinguishing between gender. If the event really is just like a school dance, then I would certainly say that it is not acceptable. However, if the event is truly intended to be a forum for cross-gender interaction, then MAYBE the school's decision is okay, but it's still pretty sketchy. The school probably is just full of it, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here. It is the school's mistake for making an event that specifically targets heterosexual couples. I think it would make much more sense if they had a combined dance with a nearby all-boys school, and did not distinguish based on gender at all. I will say that I do not approve of the idea of an all-girls and all-boys school to begin with. I would never send my kids to one and personally think we should just be rid of them. In fact, I'd be totally cool with not having private and home schooling to begin with if people weren't afraid of losing their civil liberties. That's for another topic though, lol. I think it's fine if the school wants to do what they claimed they wanted to do. After all, if you're at an all-girls school the school should be trying to integrate boys during certain events. However, the reason I don't accept that answer is because I highly doubt every girl that went came with a date and I doubt the school cared or denied entry to someone who didn't bring a boy. So if the requirement is that they needed to bring a male guest instead of a female couldn't you also say that girls who don't bring a date shouldn't be allowed in? For this reason I think the school was clearly acting in a homophobic way. Next year the school should just team up with an all-boys school and not allow anyone to bring guests. | ||
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