EPTSame-sex Couple Banned from Formal - Page 6
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InToTheWannaB
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Kalpman
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Deleted_143
Australia256 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
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Fenrax
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infecteddna
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LittLeD
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LOLtex
United States148 Posts
On November 12 2010 05:45 Panoptic wrote: Everything else aside, I don't understand why the school even gives a shit about the girl and her sexual preferences. "Just let her go, who even cares?" That should be their attitude. Why would they go out of their way to prohibit her from going when it's so much easier to just let it fly? They'd have to be pretty prejudiced I'd say. Because lesbianism can spread like magic, and if left unchecked, everyone will eventually turn into lesbians, even guys! Please excuse me, I must tend to my witch bonfire and butter churning. + Show Spoiler + shouldn't be necessary, but the above is in fact satire | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On November 12 2010 04:06 Tempest186 wrote: No....just no.... While I may agree that 15 is fairly young to "be in love," I doubt you can say its IMPOSSIBLE. There are stories of individuals marrying their childhood friends/lovers. As to they are too young to know they are gay....thats just blatantly false. Homosexuality is not a lifestyle decision to be made when one is ready to make it. Rather it is an underlaying "characteristic" that may be realized at a later time. So they likely already "know that they are gay." Within social sciences, the area where human behaviour is studied, what you describe would be called a social construct. All the things that are connect to gay relationships arises from and is given meaning by the social environment. While a great deal of sexual attraction might be instinctual (or "underlying" as you say), defining yourself as homosexual is a way of trying to negotiate your identity with other people. Describing the behaviour associated with homosexuals as something inherent is simply a result of our society making sense of this behaviour in a specific context. Depending on the context, it could be considered a decease or simply a result of the environment. An interesting example to consider here is paedophiles. On some societies, it has been completely normal and acceptable. In other societies it has been treated as a decease that people can rid themselves of. The reaction towards it has completely depended on circumstances and the social context. Paedophilia becomes problematic when you focus heavily the rights and mental well-being of individuals becuase it leads to violations that go against this focus. If you have a very authoritan society, where the say of the older "wise" patrons is given the most importance, consequences of such actions will be given less emphasis. Because western societies are very focused on homosexuality being a based human rights that are an intrinsic part of our existance, we are much more likely to see homosexuality as something inherant rather than just one of many instincts or socially affected behaviours. Whereas people might be against paedophilia because it goes against the current sanctity of the individual, others might be opposed to the promotion of homosexuality because it unbalances many of our traditional patterns of behaviour and might be unhealthy to the social coherence of society in a way that people mostly are just instinctually aware of. It's all about a constant negotiation of values and norms in society. I think this gives an insight into the reactions that we see from people to the incident in this topic while it may at the same time give an explanation for the actions of the other prom incident mentioned in this topic, where homophobia seems more evident. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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FishForThought
Canada88 Posts
On November 12 2010 05:45 Panoptic wrote: Everything else aside, I don't understand why the school even gives a shit about the girl and her sexual preferences. "Just let her go, who even cares?" That should be their attitude. Why would they go out of their way to prohibit her from going when it's so much easier to just let it fly? They'd have to be pretty prejudiced I'd say. They are letting her go, just not letting her bring a female guest. Obviously, she didn't bring her partner to the formal and got barred from entering at the door. More likely scenario was: 1. School hosting a male-female formal party which specifically indicated to bring a male guest. 2. The girl obviously asked if she could bring her female partner, and the school said no. 3. Girl did her pre-party drinking thing, and passed on the actual formal. 4. Parents saw her stay at home and screamed discrimination. She definitely didn't get banned for her sexual orientation, or get banned at all for that matter. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
More likely scenario is that they told her she couldn't bring her girlfriend and then the school made up some bullshit about how the dance was intended to bring males in for the girls to meet. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
I recommend watching the South Park episode where Big Gay Al gets kicked out of the Scouts. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On November 12 2010 06:09 overt wrote: I highly doubt it was stated that she had to bring a male guest lol. I've never heard of a school telling you, "YOU MUST BRING A DATE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX," because honestly they probably would get in trouble for that. More likely scenario is that they told her she couldn't bring her girlfriend and then the school made up some bullshit about how the dance was intended to bring males in for the girls to meet. they won't be overt about it, but they'll do it. | ||
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Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 12 2010 04:01 OPworgen wrote: These kids are to young to no What love is let alone decide if they really are gay. I'm mean 15 year's old lmao CRY FOR ATTENTION ANYONE? Are you just playing ignorant? Were you unsure of your sexuality before 15? Pretty sure I was interested in girls since Kindergarden and had the usual experience of regularly even doing sexual acts at that age (although I had no idea what I was doing, and it was much more curiosity oriented than anything). Literally girl crazy ever since I can remember. Sorry you weren't able to know. I've had countless gay friends. All except one were positive they were gay by freshman year of high school. Thanks for your idiocy and quick jumping to the classic "cry for attention" apathetic argument. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On November 12 2010 06:01 overt wrote: In response to a lot of the posts on page 5, just because it's a private school doesn't mean it can do whatever the fuck it wants to. Private businesses can't discriminate based on sexual orientation, why do people think private schools for some unknown reason can? This comparison is beyond flawed. First of all, the school is not discriminating against the girls, merely enforcing a rule for a dance that they are hosting in which they ask that the students only bring dates that are males. As far as I can tell from the article, the school had no problem with the girls actually attending the school. I fully support equal rights for everyone. In this case, the school has a certain methodology and it wasn't really a good fit for the girls, and the girls have since decided to change schools. But everyone posting here is being too quick to display outrage against the school. You can't just crucify people for enforcing a conservative rule that you may or may not disagree with. There are far too many assumptions being made about the school. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On November 12 2010 06:20 FabledIntegral wrote: Are you just playing ignorant? Were you unsure of your sexuality before 15? Pretty sure I was interested in girls since Kindergarden and had the usual experience of regularly even doing sexual acts at that age (although I had no idea what I was doing, and it was much more curiosity oriented than anything). Literally girl crazy ever since I can remember. Sorry you weren't able to know. I've had countless gay friends. All except one were positive they were gay by freshman year of high school. Thanks for your idiocy and quick jumping to the classic "cry for attention" apathetic argument. Hold on a second. .. Crazy for girls since Kindergarden? That doesn't sound familiar. I clearly remember this "girls ..meh" phase when me and my friends were 8 - 10. And before that you just dont make a difference between girls and boys. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On November 12 2010 06:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Hold on a second. .. Crazy for girls since Kindergarden? That doesn't sound familiar. I clearly remember this "girls ..meh" phase when me and my friends were 8 - 10. And before that you just dont make a difference between girls and boys. Yeah, I remember telling my mother that girls were creepy around the age of 12-13. Once we started having school parties with alcohol around the ages 14-16, girls became increasingly important. Of course, kids nowadays live in a more sexualized soceity, so I wouldn't find it strange if they develop a sexual interest in girls that early. I see young girls and boys in Denmark socalizing much more that my generation, with the sexes being less seperated in this sense. I still haven't figured out whether it's due to what I would call a positive development towards more open individuals and a less stigmatized society or whether it's simply a sexualization that saturates society to the point of fundamentally changing social behavioral patterns, even those of kids in the ages 11-16. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
1) The school is an ALL GIRLS school. 2) Girls at that age (who don't socialize with males on a regular basis) would often not be willing to bring a male if given the choice. 3) The school is trying to create a forum for this to happen. As a homosexual who found it a struggle to meet/talk to a guy that i was attracted to, i can sympathize with every non-lesbian in that all-girls school. If those lesbians want to be lesbians, they can do so every day of the fucking week. When do the other girls have a chance to meet boys? | ||
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