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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 18:32:58
November 11 2010 18:12 GMT
#1
On the night of her school formal, Hannah Williams found herself all dressed up with nowhere to go.

After inviting friends to her home for ''pre-drinks'', the 16-year-old stood on her doorstep and watched her classmates file into the darkness to attend one of the highlights of the school year.

Instead of joining them, Hannah took off her heels and black dress and went to bed.

A few weeks earlier a teacher had told the year 11 student she couldn't attend the dance with her 15-year-old girlfriend, Savannah Supski. She was asked to bring a male instead. ''It made me very upset. I thought it was unfair so I didn't go,'' she said.

''I put a lot of effort into trying to fix things. I had meetings with principals; looked through the Equal Opportunity Act; all my friends put posters up around the school and the teachers ripped them down. There was an easy solution; they just needed to let me go with my girlfriend.''

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‘‘It made me so upset’’ ... Hannah Williams, left, and her girlfriend, Savannah Supski,
are changing schools so they can be together.
Photo: Angela Wylie.

Hannah's father, Peter Williams, lodged a complaint with the Equal Opportunity Commission, alleging the school - Ivanhoe Girls' Grammar School in Melbourne - had discriminated against his daughter because of her sexual orientation.

''The school kept saying because it is an all-girls school we want to make an event where they can meet boys in a social scenario,'' he said. ''That process is anachronistic and creates feelings of discrimination among girls who are same-sex-attracted.''

After lodging the complaint in September, Mr Williams had a mediation session with the school but the two parties were unable to reach a conclusion.

The Williams family did not take matters further because it was becoming too stressful for their daughter, who will complete her final exams next year.

Mr Williams said the experience had forced his daughter to move to a ''more accepting'' government school.

Savannah, now 16, is also changing schools to be with her girlfriend and was happy to hear that their new school allowed same-sex couples to attend the formal. ''It was a homophobic issue and I feel extremely discriminated against at the old school,'' she said.

Sian Supski supports her daughter's decision to change schools. ''The idea that there had to be a gender balance at the dinner dance seemed to be discriminatory. It was a very difficult time for Savannah but she's an amazingly strong young person and we are very proud of her.''

The principal of Ivanhoe Girls' Grammar, Heather Schnagl, said the event did not discriminate against same-sex couples and was designed to promote a co-educational experience.

''I don't think it's appropriate they feel discriminated against, and I'm very upset they feel that,'' she said.

''If we opened it up and said girls could bring another female they would all bring females; the policy is trying to create an event where boys are invited. We are a school that has an all-girls environment, and they are meant to invite guests, not partners.''

She said age was also an issue. ''It's an event for year 11s and the student's guest was in year 10.''

Hannah said her friends took younger males and she was the only one asked to provide the age of her date. ''They kept on making up excuses, and said everything was a problem for me.''

The president of the NSW Secondary Principals' Council, Christine Cawsey, said it should be a matter for the student's family to decide. ''Our view is that if a student's family feels the partner is the best partner to bring then that's fine,'' she said. ''But I do understand that some schools can have different rules.''

The Equal Opportunity Commission said it could not comment.


A 16 year-old was told she couldn't attend her end of year formal (dance/prom) because she insisted on inviting her girlfriend, a 15 year-old at the same school. The school claimed it was because the dance was meant to serve as an event in which girls could socialise with boys, the school being an all girls school. Additionally the school suggested that the event was for year 11's and that the 15 year old was too young.

So who accepts the school's reasoning? Who thinks they're full of it?

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/girls-interrupted-samesex-couple-banned-from-ball-20101109-17m29.html
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 11 2010 18:15 GMT
#2
Oh my god, I originally misread it wrong and though it was an 11 year old dating a 15 year old.

I think the school's full of it. "You're not supposed to invite a partner, but a guest." Bullshit. That's what you do at dances.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
November 11 2010 18:15 GMT
#3
Bigotry knows no bounds. Sad, really. Does Australia have an organization that files lawsuits on these sorts of grounds in the interest of civil rights? I'm thinking something like the ACLU.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
November 11 2010 18:16 GMT
#4
Who would believe the schools excuse? It's clear they're entire school is filled with bigots that are afraid of kids.
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Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 18:24:29
November 11 2010 18:17 GMT
#5
I really can't stand this kind of injustice. I hope this raises some hell in Australia.
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Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
November 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#6
Depressing as fuck.
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Elbee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States224 Posts
November 11 2010 18:19 GMT
#7
Shit like this is really sad, the school's full of it, just trying to make weak excuses to cover up any bad publicity.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
November 11 2010 18:19 GMT
#8
These stories are fairly common, and I'm pretty sure that most schools dodge legal action against them. I'm curious why the Equal Opportunity Commission did not comment on this. It seems like it would make comments to try to make it a huge public issue. Whether the school's excuse is legitimate or not, it still seems wrong to me. If they made it open for people only in 11th grade, they should ID everyone.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 18:21:35
November 11 2010 18:20 GMT
#9
16 and 15 ? 20 years ago that would've been illegal. Lucky them!

No seriously, its pretty bad how they were treated.
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Tnerb
Profile Joined May 2010
United States141 Posts
November 11 2010 18:21 GMT
#10
Sounds like attention whoring to me.

If they really wanted to go to the dance together they could have just gone under the radar and done their own thing at the dance. Instead they decided that they wanted attention and so made a huge deal about it (putting up posters around the school).

It also seems like this is a private school and therefore should be allowed to have and enforce their own rules. If gays don't like it then they don't have to attend.


Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
November 11 2010 18:21 GMT
#11
I'm glad at least her father was more understanding.

But it is really depressing how the school comes up with terrible excuses not to let her bring her girlfriend. Is it really that horrible for them? -_-
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RiotSpectre
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-11 18:27:15
November 11 2010 18:22 GMT
#12
It's bigotry, pure and simple. A similar thing happened here in the States (Mississipi, I think?) several months ago, a girl wanted to bring her girlfriend to the prom and the high school said no. When faced with the idea of a lawsuit, instead of letting the girl go the school called off the official prom in its entirity. Pretty disgusting behavior if you ask me.

http://thefbomb.org/2010/03/lesbian-teen-banned-from-prom/

^ The story
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 11 2010 18:22 GMT
#13
Dude, this shit happens like every year in America...and yeah, that school is full of shit.
JamesJohansen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States213 Posts
November 11 2010 18:24 GMT
#14
In today's day and age, you are forced to accept this. I suppose I shouldn't voice my opinion, I'd rather not get banned

User was temp banned for this post.
RiotSpectre
Profile Joined October 2010
United States163 Posts
November 11 2010 18:29 GMT
#15
On November 12 2010 03:24 JamesJohansen wrote:
In today's day and age, you are forced to accept this. I suppose I shouldn't voice my opinion, I'd rather not get banned


You should not be forced to accept anything like this if you don't agree with the school's decision. If you do...well then I will vehemently disagree with you (to put it politely).
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 11 2010 18:30 GMT
#16
On November 12 2010 03:24 JamesJohansen wrote:
In today's day and age, you are forced to accept this. I suppose I shouldn't voice my opinion, I'd rather not get banned


I really appreciate your vague passive aggressive non-stance on this issue.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
November 11 2010 18:31 GMT
#17
This story is weird. Surely an all-girls school has dealt with lesbians before. They can't honestly expect to run an all-girls school without expecting their to be lesbians. Melbourne isn't Mississippi. Something doesn't add up, maybe the school is actually sincere in their defense
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Trinton07
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
November 11 2010 18:32 GMT
#18
This is fucking ridiculous, but sadly not too surprising.
-Frog-
Profile Joined February 2009
United States514 Posts
November 11 2010 18:33 GMT
#19
On November 12 2010 03:21 Brent352 wrote:
Sounds like attention whoring to me.

If they really wanted to go to the dance together they could have just gone under the radar and done their own thing at the dance. Instead they decided that they wanted attention and so made a huge deal about it (putting up posters around the school).

It also seems like this is a private school and therefore should be allowed to have and enforce their own rules. If gays don't like it then they don't have to attend.




There's a difference between attention whoring and bringing something that you feel is unjust into the public spotlight. The two girls and their friends were trying to spread the message that it isn't OK to bar a same sex couple from the school dance and there is nothing wrong with that.

It's clear that they couldn't attend the dance "under the radar" after having discussed the issue with the school's administrators. These kind of dances are heavily supervised and usually have some sort of sign-in at the door which is where the couple would be stopped.

Yes the school is private and can set their own rules but that doesn't give them license to practice bigotry.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
November 11 2010 18:35 GMT
#20
On November 12 2010 03:22 RiotSpectre wrote:
It's bigotry, pure and simple. A similar thing happened here in the States (Mississipi, I think?) several months ago, a girl wanted to bring her girlfriend to the prom and the high school said no. When faced with the idea of a lawsuit, instead of letting the girl go the school called off the official prom in its entirity. Pretty disgusting behavior if you ask me.

http://thefbomb.org/2010/03/lesbian-teen-banned-from-prom/

^ The story


You forgot the part where they secretly rescheduled the prom without telling her

Austrailia's got its fair share of odd and dumb rules, but I never thought of it as Mississippi without all the in-family humping. Sad.
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