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On November 12 2010 09:26 FALAPARK wrote:
I dont get Why people should get banned for voicing their openion, specially the guy I quoated before, he wasnt insulting anyone, he just said he thinks youth is forced into accepting lesbians and gays, thats his stance, nothing wrong with that, thats his openion, it is not wrong nor correcot. I do understand why the other guys were banned, they were being aggresive with their posts.....but this guy meant no harm at all.
He was banned for martyr-calling. If you post anywhere on this forum "i might get banned for this, but....", then you'll get banned. Even if you're only saying "i might get banned for this, but I think unicorns kick ass !"
Try it.
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On November 12 2010 09:33 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 09:26 FALAPARK wrote:
I dont get Why people should get banned for voicing their openion, specially the guy I quoated before, he wasnt insulting anyone, he just said he thinks youth is forced into accepting lesbians and gays, thats his stance, nothing wrong with that, thats his openion, it is not wrong nor correcot. I do understand why the other guys were banned, they were being aggresive with their posts.....but this guy meant no harm at all. People are not banned for posting their opinion. People are banned for saying "I'll probably get banned for this but..." which is a ridiculous cop out. It is forcing the hand of the moderator to either ban them and prove them right, or ignore the post and let the poster say something which the poster themselves thinks is against the rules. So, we just ban everyone who uses that sentence regardless of context and the problem is solved. If people feel like they need to booby-trap their posts with that statement, maybe they should rethink what they are posting. If you have a problem with the moderation, discuss it in the relevant threads, not this one please.
Well said Manifesto. Blitz is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but posting it to post it, and posting it intentionally to try and offend are two very different things.
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Since they were told to invite guys...they should've brought gays to prove a point lol.
Sorry if this has been stated before, I'm still reading through the thread.
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On November 12 2010 09:38 Weedk wrote:
Since they were told to invite guys...they should've brought gays to prove a point lol.
Sorry if this has been stated before, I'm still reading through the thread.
If they both could have gone it wouldn't have been an issue...
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On November 12 2010 09:42 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 09:38 Weedk wrote:
Since they were told to invite guys...they should've brought gays to prove a point lol.
Sorry if this has been stated before, I'm still reading through the thread. If they both could have gone it wouldn't have been an issue...
True, it's pretty sad stuff like this still happens.
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A well formed society accepts life styles that are not considered normal by the general populace but are not harmful to the general society. Homosexuality falls under this category.
I understand why people may disagree with homosexuality. That's fine. That doesn't mean it is right to discriminate against them.
Now, as for this particular topic, but having read the schools website, it appears to be a secular grammar school. I find it odd that a secular liberal school system would discriminate against a same sex couple. However, if you think about the impact to the school if they openly accepted student same sex couples and you will see the reason why it was banned.
One of the common thoughts of single gender schools, such as this particular all girl school, is that it promotes homosexuality. Such thoughts may deter parents from sending their daughter to this school. As such, the school would likely want to deter this image as much as possible. In this instance though, their decision backfired as the couple went public and brough global attention to the exact topic the school wished to aoid.
If their intention for the dance was to promote a homosexual image of the school, then I actually do believe their excuse.
It is a private school, not a public school; it should have the right to make policies as it sees fit, in my personal opinion. I may not agree with their decision but I do not feel that anyone has the right to force their morality on to the policies of businesses. I am not familiar enough with Australian law though.
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On November 12 2010 07:23 Kashll wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 07:18 .risingdragoon wrote:
Doesn't matter.
There are FAR bigger injustices in the world than 2 kids not being able to dance a lil. This is the worst fucking logic I've ever heard. By the same logic, any injustice except for the biggest injustice also doesn't matter.
Get the fuck outta here, it's not like "not being able to dance at school that one time" somehow greatly diminishes a person's ability to live life.
It's not like gayness is so blasphemed by society like a few decades ago, the gay movement got fasttracked like a muthafucker in only a few years it's unbelievable. There's no big loss here. The wrong thing to do here is try to politicize it and take hardline stance against almost nothing.
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On November 12 2010 09:56 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 07:23 Kashll wrote:On November 12 2010 07:18 .risingdragoon wrote:
Doesn't matter.
There are FAR bigger injustices in the world than 2 kids not being able to dance a lil. This is the worst fucking logic I've ever heard. By the same logic, any injustice except for the biggest injustice also doesn't matter. Get the fuck outta here, it's not like "not being able to dance at school that one time" somehow greatly diminishes a person's ability to live life. It's not like gayness is so blasphemed by society like a few decades ago, the gay movement got fasttracked like a muthafucker in only a few years. There's no big loss here. The wrong thing to do here is try to politicize it and take "we vs them" sides.
Are you kidding? He's completely right. You come into the thread, dismiss it's importance because there's "bigger shit out there." Are you trying to say that because other movements took a while, we need to prolong the period in which gays obtain similar civil liberties? Because that's essentially what I got from your post.
PS. Prom isn't just "any school dance," it's often considered one of the most memorable nights of an adolescent's life up until that point.
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i think the school's full of shit, but i also think the girls and parents reaction and even this article are a bit of an overreaction.
its just a school dance, seriously. people might say its about the principle but only allowed being able to bring a male does not necessarily mean homophobia. girls aren't allowed to bring their friends who are girls as a guest either. i think its just a rule across the board that when taken in this context looks homophobic.
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It's not prom, I dunno wtf you talking about. It says school formal for buncha 16 yos.
And yea there is bigger shit out there, WAY BIGGER shit that actually impacts people's lives. This is far from any real civil liberty issue, no lives are compromised, no careers put in jeopardy. The opinion on of the larger society on gays has already turned to one of tolerance, the people running the school most likely doesn't give a fuck in their personal capacity.
What's the point of litting a fire under the school's ass? Put them between a rock and a hard place. For what? Compromise. Learn to see from your viewpoint as well as the school's.
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On November 12 2010 10:01 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 09:56 .risingdragoon wrote:On November 12 2010 07:23 Kashll wrote:On November 12 2010 07:18 .risingdragoon wrote:
Doesn't matter.
There are FAR bigger injustices in the world than 2 kids not being able to dance a lil. This is the worst fucking logic I've ever heard. By the same logic, any injustice except for the biggest injustice also doesn't matter. Get the fuck outta here, it's not like "not being able to dance at school that one time" somehow greatly diminishes a person's ability to live life. It's not like gayness is so blasphemed by society like a few decades ago, the gay movement got fasttracked like a muthafucker in only a few years. There's no big loss here. The wrong thing to do here is try to politicize it and take "we vs them" sides. Are you kidding? He's completely right. You come into the thread, dismiss it's importance because there's "bigger shit out there." Are you trying to say that because other movements took a while, we need to prolong the period in which gays obtain similar civil liberties? Because that's essentially what I got from your post. PS. Prom isn't just "any school dance," it's often considered one of the most memorable nights of an adolescent's life up until that point.
No rising is right. There's more important things in life. Like being able sit in front of the bus. Its infinitely more significant than some one time gay high school event.
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its awesome that she has a father who is supportive of her though;
i cant say the same for all individuals who are attracted to the same sex.
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You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many years and lives to bring to this point in time.
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On November 12 2010 10:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many lives to bring to this point in time.
Were you dropped as a child?
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On November 12 2010 10:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many years and lives to bring to this point in time.
You're absolutely unbelievable. Not sure how you don't see the situations are nearly completely analogous. With the exception that it's a private school (which is in fact crucial). Which is why it's being discussed, and the validity of it. Pity you don't care for the discussion, how about "get the fuck out of here," as you'd say.
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On November 12 2010 10:30 NIJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 10:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many lives to bring to this point in time. Were you dropped as a child?
if you gonna discuss this then discuss, what do you know about me huh? lol
you're still too fucking little to know the world. this is barely anything compare to some of the unmovable rocks out there today. this is only gonna get better with time, whereas there's shit out there people oughta tackle head on or it'll never change.
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On November 12 2010 10:33 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 10:30 NIJ wrote:On November 12 2010 10:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many lives to bring to this point in time. Were you dropped as a child? if you gonna discuss this then discuss, what do you know about me huh? lol you're still too fucking young to know the world. this is barely anything compare to some unmoveable rocks out there today.
Pretty sure you said that this topic wasn't worth discussing and yet here you are trying to argue that we shouldn't be discussing an issue you said isn't important enough to discuss. You don't know the ages of posters so anyone who has posted disagreeing with you could be much older than yourself.
I get the feeling that you're likely homophobic yourself but instead of arguing against this you're just trying to dismiss this topic as being not worthy of discussion even though clearly people want to discuss this. I could be wrong, but that's what my gut is telling me.
And by the way, homophobia and racism both stem from ignorance. Honestly these two issues are incredibly similar. You can't change your sexual orientation any easier than you can change your skin color.
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On November 12 2010 10:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
You think the point of the back of the bus was cus of the actual sitting in the back?
How bout you think a little? WTF equating racism to this? If racism was this little wind instead of the fucking tornado that it is, that chapter wouldn't have taken so many years and lives to bring to this point in time.
I think NIJ's point was that events that may not be consequential on their own can still be symbolic of something greater. The social progress seen in the US civil rights movement expanded opportunities for people previously discriminated against, even if many of the most memorable moments of the movement weren't directly powerful on their own.
Personally I don't think this news item has the symbolic power to significantly reinforce activism and positive change for homosexuals, but others may think so and thus feel that it's worth discussing. After all, discrimination still can affect careers in the US, to say nothing of general quality of life for people discriminated against.
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I don't personally give a shit about what people do with their lives.
I'm here to point out the ignorance that some of you youngins (most likely you are, cus you talk like one) think this world can be perfectly one way or another without any blemish whatsoever, to put a cap on your high ideals and bring you down to levels of realist, people who get shit done.
The way bigotry does damage is if it's condoned and carried by the socio-political climate of the day. That's what was being fought against, not the physical sitting in the back of the bus which is only a symbol. The gay movement has already crossed over that line, all that is left now is a buncha technicalities and conservative sentiment which time will fix, and it's better to ease into it over time than cram it down touchy people's throats.
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